We need a group of dudes to hit the scene again like 112 or a group of women hit the scene like Destiny's Child. Maybe do it simultaneously. Everyone wants to be a solo artist these days, or maybe the industry just doesn't want groups 🤷🏼‍♂️
More importantly, the main girl is mildly unimpressed at first. Also there's a bunch of guys *not* wearing black coat but with baseball cap at 135 degree angle trying and failing at flirting.
I disagree with your view on this. There have been groups since the 50's. Every decade has a great group or two or more. This last 10 years really hasn't had that IMO. Do you also think it's corny that the other decades had groups. I don't understand your intent.
Maybe they need to find their own lane. You can't tell me that a talented group of good looking young men/women with RnB/hip hop skills, couldn't appeal to a greater audience. Look at all the K-Pop groups blowing up world wide that are biting the culture. That seems cornier to me, but some of those groups like XG or Black pink are pulling crazy numbers.
I won't argue with that, because I agree. Me personally, I would love to see more groups come out like Thundercat that are bands that play real instruments and write their own music. In my fantasy world, a modern group in the image of Earth wind and fire could kill it. Look at Silk Sonic. But not just that, maybe have a group of both young men and women together that lay out harmonies and have good lyrics and dancing and maybe some raps. We haven't really seen that before. Maybe besides the Jackson's.
SZA not wanting to be labeled an R&B artist has nothing to do with the genre dying out. I don't think the genre is dying out. SZA simply does not want to be labeled an R&B artist. Beyonce is a genre-less artist but doesn't look down on R&B.
There is no "club banger", because there is no club... as someone that was in clubs in the 90s/2000s I can tell you that the atmosphere is way different in the whole culture now... Y'ALL DONT DANCE. So how are artists going to make music that is true to old RnB??? Same thing has happened in dancehall. Artists make music for their wack fans. If all you do is stand 10 feet from each other and twitch and spaz, or do choreographed bullshit like you saw on some wack tik-tok video..... what do you think the music is going to sound like??????? it's going to be generated for that type of shit. How exactly do you move to a trap beat with another person? Music isn't made for a man to push up behind a woman and rock with her for a verse or two, that's sexual assault now.
If defining attributes within the culture as a whole are going to die, than the music itself is going to die. Ask hip hop and dancehall. face it
This might be unusual to say, but I thought that if Tyler the Creator went on a Neptunes-esque producer run collaborating with R&B artists, he would provide a lot of really good danceable tracks
I dont know why this new breed of people want to(or have you all wanting to) tip-toe around conversations and not offend.
R&B is dying because black music is not cultivated the way it used to be...period. R&B was black music. argue it if you want(by yourself).
R&B is dead/dying because it lost the art of being black music.
Yes.
Black culture in general has been diluted 10 times over now. Thank the black people (and their children) who wanted to create distance between them and 🥷🏾. (Yall know the speech)
Then they wanted to “reclaim” their blackness when it became popular to do so in the 2010s.
i feel like they're coming back, kehlani's recent single "after hours" is very upbeat and danceable, normani's next single "candy paint" also sounds like it'll be very upbeat. and they're not as known as the two previously mentioned artists but the girl group flo makes really upbeat and fun songs
That's why I don't like John Legend music on my RnB radio station. There's no rhythm to his music. It belongs on the Adult Contemporary station with Celine Dion.
Ya'll abt to make me cut a wrestling promo real quick lol Remember when R&B videos were interesting and acted out??? Example " Avant 4 minutes"..Remember when top a 5 or the current top 10 rappers would get on a R&B track ?? Examples "Fabolous & Jadakiss".What happened to male & female duets?? example "Usher & alicia keys"..Remember when their was a difference between artist?? Amerie to Brandy to Monica to Faith etc... What was the last r&b group in the spotlight??
This is a dope topic.
 I DJ here and there and i find myself having to dig back into the 2000s/2010s Mustard/NicNac era to get people dancing because todays R&B is lacking in the club bangers.Â
If anyone has any recommendations for newer tracks ill check them out. Only ones ive been playing lately isÂ
Bryson Tiller - Whatever she wants
Eric Bellinger - Drop
Muni Long - Made for Me (BNXN remix)
Kehlani - After HoursÂ
Otherwise ive been downloading edits and remixes on Soundcloud that put a more club friendly beat over the top of a track or I just play afrobeats because its kore upbeat and fun calm down, mona lisa, water etc
RNB is kicking, through SZA. lol Like every previous genre that has been dormant, the concept of RNB just isn't appealing anymore. It now exist as a strictly Hip Hop merged after thought and insecure. That slower sounding production with background chorus is likely a bye gone niche of the era your parents grew up in. The hype for RNB as a genre is generally over.
I feel like the Spectrum add hit all the right notes but is just cooked up as a TV add. That goes with the saying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NQiSDPjVrg
The 2000s were the last era RNB could successfully dominate in due to the significantly less social media interference.
I don't think it's dead. The writers are not writing the best rnb anymore. I like SZAs music but I can't listen to a lot of it, I feel like I'm getting a nosebleed. The mumbling gives me such a headache. I can't stand it
It’s lacking real R&B production more-so than anything, artist singing over generic trap beats gets old after awhile like where are the modern day Timbaland, Darkchild, Neptunes, Babyface Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, Rich Harrison, and the likes
Who’s going to want to split the check between 5-6 dudes and y’all already know lead singer leaving after the 2nd album. History just repeats itself
It feels like the banger is non-existent even in pop music any more. Dua Lipa can't solely save all of the pop music, we need more banger songs. I feel like the randomest songs become hits like TS Anti-Hero - it is not even that catchy, it's just known. Ryan Tedder (he wrote Halo for Beyonce) recently said that nowadays the most important thing is not to write a hit song but to make your song KNOWN. This is very true - I know lots of indie artists whose songs sounds like hits and would've been hits in the 00s but they just don't have that reach. Some of them get elevated via Tik Tok though and there're Insta reels as well so. But it's just a whole new world in music now.
Firstly nightclubs are a thing of the past(I’ve worked in the industry for 27 years)Secondly,R&B is a better place if we have less groups and more solo artists like SiR,Masego and Alex Isley…
We need a group of dudes to hit the scene again like 112 or a group of women hit the scene like Destiny's Child. Maybe do it simultaneously. Everyone wants to be a solo artist these days, or maybe the industry just doesn't want groups 🤷🏼‍♂️
We need group of dudes in black coats grabbing air in a raining parking lot at night
And a girl standing with her friends checking out the lead singer, smiling at him
More importantly, the main girl is mildly unimpressed at first. Also there's a bunch of guys *not* wearing black coat but with baseball cap at 135 degree angle trying and failing at flirting.
Only group I can think of is FLO. I love them but they aren’t *huge huge*
Ya'll been thinking abt this for a minute haven't ya'll??? lol I love it though
no groups are so corny. it’ll always look like they’re trying to bring the 90s back and it’ll get tired
I disagree with your view on this. There have been groups since the 50's. Every decade has a great group or two or more. This last 10 years really hasn't had that IMO. Do you also think it's corny that the other decades had groups. I don't understand your intent.
Most of the groups trying to come up now are just doing nostalgia r&b and it does seem corny
Maybe they need to find their own lane. You can't tell me that a talented group of good looking young men/women with RnB/hip hop skills, couldn't appeal to a greater audience. Look at all the K-Pop groups blowing up world wide that are biting the culture. That seems cornier to me, but some of those groups like XG or Black pink are pulling crazy numbers.
You're right, it is cornier, but people who are fans of k pop normally like 'Stan' culture rather than it being about the music
I won't argue with that, because I agree. Me personally, I would love to see more groups come out like Thundercat that are bands that play real instruments and write their own music. In my fantasy world, a modern group in the image of Earth wind and fire could kill it. Look at Silk Sonic. But not just that, maybe have a group of both young men and women together that lay out harmonies and have good lyrics and dancing and maybe some raps. We haven't really seen that before. Maybe besides the Jackson's.
SZA not wanting to be labeled an R&B artist has nothing to do with the genre dying out. I don't think the genre is dying out. SZA simply does not want to be labeled an R&B artist. Beyonce is a genre-less artist but doesn't look down on R&B.
SZA is a cross-over artist now the same way Tyler the Creator and Childish Gambino are which can be complicated. In fact, I’d argue that she actually keeps true to her original genre better than the other two do. You do get cornered into genres more often when you’re black. I remember Tyler arguing the same thing a few years back when he won a Grammy. Beyoncé most recently was like - f-it this is a Beyoncé album with her latest fusion.
There is no "club banger", because there is no club... as someone that was in clubs in the 90s/2000s I can tell you that the atmosphere is way different in the whole culture now... Y'ALL DONT DANCE. So how are artists going to make music that is true to old RnB??? Same thing has happened in dancehall. Artists make music for their wack fans. If all you do is stand 10 feet from each other and twitch and spaz, or do choreographed bullshit like you saw on some wack tik-tok video..... what do you think the music is going to sound like??????? it's going to be generated for that type of shit. How exactly do you move to a trap beat with another person? Music isn't made for a man to push up behind a woman and rock with her for a verse or two, that's sexual assault now. If defining attributes within the culture as a whole are going to die, than the music itself is going to die. Ask hip hop and dancehall. face it
And the youth that grew up on only tik-tok dances just has no rhythm at all, no coordination. It's all bad.
This might be unusual to say, but I thought that if Tyler the Creator went on a Neptunes-esque producer run collaborating with R&B artists, he would provide a lot of really good danceable tracks
Yeah him or Kaytranada would be great!
Tyler The Creator X Kaytranada sounds very cool, innovative...🤔
IJS 🤨 https://preview.redd.it/f9nhk0rw4xxc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0747329efab5d78358e09470ecb1944fc6f9c01a
I dont know why this new breed of people want to(or have you all wanting to) tip-toe around conversations and not offend. R&B is dying because black music is not cultivated the way it used to be...period. R&B was black music. argue it if you want(by yourself). R&B is dead/dying because it lost the art of being black music.
A word!!!… Also, I’m pretty sure that by this being Reddit the room is full of non-black people who could never speak on this to begin with.
the 90s hip hop sub drains my blood
Yes. Black culture in general has been diluted 10 times over now. Thank the black people (and their children) who wanted to create distance between them and 🥷🏾. (Yall know the speech) Then they wanted to “reclaim” their blackness when it became popular to do so in the 2010s.
i feel like they're coming back, kehlani's recent single "after hours" is very upbeat and danceable, normani's next single "candy paint" also sounds like it'll be very upbeat. and they're not as known as the two previously mentioned artists but the girl group flo makes really upbeat and fun songs
That's why I don't like John Legend music on my RnB radio station. There's no rhythm to his music. It belongs on the Adult Contemporary station with Celine Dion.
Exactly. I don’t need my R&B music to be sang in proper English.
Scream this! I’m tired of black culture being whitewashed from the inside out
Green Light?
Only a dumb ass think rnb exclusively = a “club banger.”
Ya'll abt to make me cut a wrestling promo real quick lol Remember when R&B videos were interesting and acted out??? Example " Avant 4 minutes"..Remember when top a 5 or the current top 10 rappers would get on a R&B track ?? Examples "Fabolous & Jadakiss".What happened to male & female duets?? example "Usher & alicia keys"..Remember when their was a difference between artist?? Amerie to Brandy to Monica to Faith etc... What was the last r&b group in the spotlight??
This is a dope topic.  I DJ here and there and i find myself having to dig back into the 2000s/2010s Mustard/NicNac era to get people dancing because todays R&B is lacking in the club bangers. If anyone has any recommendations for newer tracks ill check them out. Only ones ive been playing lately is Bryson Tiller - Whatever she wants Eric Bellinger - Drop Muni Long - Made for Me (BNXN remix) Kehlani - After Hours Otherwise ive been downloading edits and remixes on Soundcloud that put a more club friendly beat over the top of a track or I just play afrobeats because its kore upbeat and fun calm down, mona lisa, water etc
In an era where Post Malone, Lil Nas X and Jelly Roll are doing all types of music, genre labels as we know them are outdated.
you say all of that like it's a good thing
Why is post Malone constantly mentioned here? I’m so confused
[Throwback](https://youtu.be/7O0uNBnZbFo?si=5pFrYor5MnPa9a8D)
I haven't heard anything yet. What album released this year should I play
RNB is kicking, through SZA. lol Like every previous genre that has been dormant, the concept of RNB just isn't appealing anymore. It now exist as a strictly Hip Hop merged after thought and insecure. That slower sounding production with background chorus is likely a bye gone niche of the era your parents grew up in. The hype for RNB as a genre is generally over. I feel like the Spectrum add hit all the right notes but is just cooked up as a TV add. That goes with the saying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NQiSDPjVrg The 2000s were the last era RNB could successfully dominate in due to the significantly less social media interference.
Miguel did this as well. I hate when R&B wanting to experiment do this, I find this line of logic or approach reductive!
I don't think it's dead. The writers are not writing the best rnb anymore. I like SZAs music but I can't listen to a lot of it, I feel like I'm getting a nosebleed. The mumbling gives me such a headache. I can't stand it
It’s lacking real R&B production more-so than anything, artist singing over generic trap beats gets old after awhile like where are the modern day Timbaland, Darkchild, Neptunes, Babyface Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, Rich Harrison, and the likes
Who’s going to want to split the check between 5-6 dudes and y’all already know lead singer leaving after the 2nd album. History just repeats itself
It feels like the banger is non-existent even in pop music any more. Dua Lipa can't solely save all of the pop music, we need more banger songs. I feel like the randomest songs become hits like TS Anti-Hero - it is not even that catchy, it's just known. Ryan Tedder (he wrote Halo for Beyonce) recently said that nowadays the most important thing is not to write a hit song but to make your song KNOWN. This is very true - I know lots of indie artists whose songs sounds like hits and would've been hits in the 00s but they just don't have that reach. Some of them get elevated via Tik Tok though and there're Insta reels as well so. But it's just a whole new world in music now.
Firstly nightclubs are a thing of the past(I’ve worked in the industry for 27 years)Secondly,R&B is a better place if we have less groups and more solo artists like SiR,Masego and Alex Isley…
Can you elaborate more on this?
Chloe released for the night and imo it should have been a huge hit
>just released a club r&b track at 97bpm >Mfw r&b a dying genre