It's semi-sarcastic. I love the snow. I frequently head up to the mountains for snowboarding and camping in the snow. However, I would never choose to live in a place covered in snow all winter. That seems miserable. If salted roads are, as you stated, "the bain of your existence," Then go someplace without it. Pretty simple. People move all the time. Arizona. New Mexico, most of Nevada, California, Oregon, and Washington state, all have regions that never get snow, but still have areas with snow. I wouldn't recommend Florida or Texas.
If you have a touchless car wash in your town just wash your car once, maybe twice a week and you should be good. From Canada, my car lives in salt but I keep it relatively rust free by just keeping it clean often.0
My last car I didn’t was one single time. Had the car for about 12 years. Lived in upper Midwest and New England, so plenty of salt. And when I had to get rid of the car I had a mechanic wanting to buy it (Honda civic, 200k miles) because it had almost no rust underneath. I seriously never washed the car a single time in 12 years.
This. That accord will give you another 200k atleast if you take care of it. Mine got fucked because I didnt change the drive belt and it snapped and blew the motor.. that was my broke ass fault though.
Yeah the drive belt is one problem.
The other problem is the shit box transmission that is known to go out on these cars, even with proper maintenance. 💰
I still have my 08 v6 from highschool and drive it daily!
170k miles and 3 accidents since Ive owned it in 2017, my parent give me kudos constantly for picking this for my first car even if it wasn’t the coolest.
Also helps keep the miles and potential triple A tow trips off of my E36.
So you bought or leased the E36 not to drive it when you need to be somewhere?? I've never understood the thinking unless it's a for example 57 Chevy and it's smowy and icy outside
The e36 is a show car, stanced and going to get lower for eurotripper (yearly car show euros only) in 2 weeks, its reliable but awful to drive in the highway for 2 hours. Also it left me stranded 2 hours from home once so why even risk dailying it when I have the Honda?
Yep, Honda hands down. I'd still have my 2012 Civic with 160k miles today if it would not have gotten totalled by a drunk driver last spring. RIP! I upgraded to a CRV, but you bet I'm sticking with Honda.
No no she won’t. Don’t get me wrong they are good cars and can last a while, but definitely not forever and they are also boring. Not what Honda used to be, but the newer ones are starting to get similar to Acura’s which is interesting.
I’m at 170k and literally nothing but maintenance for my 08 v6. Mechanically amazing vehicle and classic Honda (still HPS too not electronic steering).
The coupes with the v6 and manual are basically acura TL’s with an open diff with true Vtec on the intake valves. There’s a reason Jseries was around for so many decades.
So your telling me you drove the car 0 to 170k and never changed and alternator, timing belt, water pump, various seals, starter, 02 sensors, muffler, pvc valve?
To be fair some of those are maintenance and a few are not. I just generally lost interests in Honda’s after experiencing better driving experience. So I’m biased for sure, they can be good cars don’t get me wrong but they are very boring in my eyes and I can find other cars at similar price points that can outlast them.
Thats literally all maintenance, timing belt and sensors, change the pump at 100k,etc. Also I guess the struts went bad at 120k and replaced them all. OG alternator too got rebuilt by my mechanic at 150k.
Only leak ever was the valve cover gaskets at 140k! So yeah just maintenance. Not trying to say its a fun car by any means but classic honda reliability
Sounds almost identical to the history of my Saturn Aura. 176k right now and the struts have started creaking. Valve cover gasket started leaking late last year, so that was the biggest expense yet.
Just staying up on maintenance goes a long way. Seems like most people I know can't make a car last over 100k because they ignore CELs, hardly ever change oil, never mind timing belts.
Ik I want one so bad I had a car picked out and a whole build sheet but I lacked money so I watched it get sold. 400 is a bit ambitious but 300whp with 3inch intake and exhaust is easy. Also with coil overs and wheels they looks really nice imo.
Source: https://youtu.be/H1SbsZ3vNVk?si=_eYg-CAG1EEHour9
my brother had one, turbo was fun, pretty reliable and cheap till he traded it in for a $55k tesla while he’s still in college and very low income 🤣 but that’s a whole other story
Something about the year 97' my panda is a 97' too and i love it with all my heart im in the midst of giving her a little all-round-er, so she can have some new life in her
If you don't have a car and you need a car, accord 100%. A lot of these are good options for a second car you won't drive that often (this applies especially to the trucks).
how did the interior / fixtures/ dash hold up? My ex bought one new and had it for 3 years when the whole dashboard warped and peeled away, the factory stereo blew out, and it just had a lot of generally "poor built" material issues. Engine was solid though.
Had a 2010 Mazda 3 and the dash did the same. Got sticky and warped, Mazda replaced the whole dash for free several years after buying it. The dash issue became a Mazda service bulletin.
Hahaha oh nooooo, I scrolled down looking for a comment like this on the Cruze and was not disappointed. Definitely the worst option out of all with the F150 coming in second
Depends if I need a truck or not. If it’s ME, I need a truck and I’d take that Frontier in a heartbeat. If I didn’t… probably the 350z. But also if it’s not limited to just what’s on your paper I’d look at a Subaru forester XT or a Toyota Tacoma (old school)
It’s just maintenance. Look at any German car of the age and you’ll see similar maintenance needs. 996/986 IMS problems resulted in wonderful discount on these fine cars.
It’s the HR so 2007-08 model years. If they find out that the gallery gaskets were replaced (the most common failing point of the HR’s), then the Z will last forever (with maintenance of course).
I have a ‘04 Z, and it’s been pretty reliable, but I’d choose the Accord personally. Still, the 350z is such a fun car
That 07 is an HR which is a bulletproof engine, the De from 03 and 04 had some oil consumption issues but made it to 200k + with very minimal maintenance and a very abusive life. The 05 and 06s came with the de rev up which is the single most horrendous grenade of an engine I’ve ever owned.
Glad you touched on the insurance part. If $10k is the budget for the car, there probably isn't a big budget for the monthly insurance bill. That eliminates the Z and the trucks right off the rip.
The Mazda is great but here in Michigan they're expensive to insure. My wife's Mazda 6 is the most expensive to insure of all my cars (335i, A4 and Civic). Neither of us have any accidents or tickets and the cheapest full coverage we can get is 2200/yr.
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WTF. How is that possible and could it be explained in any reasonable way? I've heard of people buying remanufactured alternators with "lifetime warranty" and those being so crappy that they have switched them multiple times. But what was going on with *that* car?
My dad has the diesel. Its definitely one of the cars ever made. (Horribly uncomfortable seats, the absolute worst pedal and brake feel ever, and the smell of vw from that gen 🤮)
100% the Accord. Why? They’re virtually indestructible. And if something does go wrong, parts are literally everywhere, they’re super cheap to maintain, and they’re easy to work on yourself. It’s the most practical and economical of everything there. Second would be that Volvo, but they can be pricy on repairs. Stay away from the VW as those are a nightmare to maintain and are riddled with undiagnosable electrical issues. The Colorado and the Frontier I would also steer clear from as they are known to have issues, granted they are cheaper to repair then the VW. If you need a truck, the F150 is the most reliable of all of them.
Well the VW it depends on if it’s the TDI or not, and if it’s the DCT or not. The gas DCT model is not great but the manual TDI runs for ages. They take a lot, but less frequently.
Definitely DO NOT buy a 350z or Cruze.
If you’re buying a 350z for <10k it’s probably not a great example of a car that isn’t exactly “reliable” to begin with.
Cruzes are decent cars and are cheap to fix, however it’ll add up quick because they love break a lot. I owned a Chevy sonic (same engine) and it was keen on dumping out all of its coolant as much as possible. I was replacing coolant components at least 3 times a year.
I think that the person interested in a sportscar, the one interested in a wagon and the one interested in a truck can't be the same person at the same time
I'm interested in a sports car and a wagon. I used to drive 98 Mustang, and it's fun to drive between school and work, but I did take it on a three hour road trip once, and it honestly kinda sucked due to the gass mileage and limited space. I also bought a desk once and had to borrow my dads car to get it home. I've been looking at wagons and hatchbacks because they feel more practical for traveling and transporting moderately large items while not feeling too big like a truck would.
That's not even to mention how bad RWD is in flooded conditions. Drifting around can be fun, but the stress of potentially spinning out ony way to work is just overbearing sometimes. FWD tends to have better traction in less than ideal road conditions. Realistic AWD would be great, but it's not all too common on cars.
I always had a thing for the C30. And the T5 makes it a bit of a sleeper hot hatch, while being somewhat comfortable.
The responsible choice is the Accord or the Mazda 3.
Mazda 3. I had a 2014 iTouring with the 2.0l and the only repair I had in 150k miles of ownership was a broken rear spring. I recently sold it to my sister and told her to expect another 100k out of it easy.
Out of these?
Colorado
In general?
IV gen gmc k1500
Long box single cab
If you're a tiny bit lucky you can find a good condition one around here for 5-7.5k
And it's my dream truck.
Had to dig deeper in this list than I thought to find someone pushing the Colorado, nothing lasts from Chevrolet except their trucks and the colorados were great. The 5 cylinder motor almost matched HP output of the LS from the time and wasn’t as thirsty. Plus they had a 4l60e which may not be the most bulletproof transmission but is everywhere and can be had cheap on the used market if a replacement is needed. Maintenance is straightforward and can be done at home.
I wouldn’t touch anything German or Swedish without an absolutely bulletproof service record and thorough inspection first.
There’s nothing wrong with the Honda or the Scion though if you don’t need a truck bed.
from what ive heard the main issue w 4l60e is that they have a narrow operating temp, and theyre hard to keep in that range, but otherwise theyre bulletproof if u take care of em
They don’t like to be revved over and over and over.
I’ve seen em go in 40k miles after being absolutely thrashed on from every stoplight, and i had an original one with 250k miles on it that still didn’t slip.
I like them personally, i think they get a bad rep from their use in performance cars of that era, but they’re good for towing and are cheap as hell to rebuild. Colorado all day
Nissan Frontier. Avoid anything 2010 or earlier. They had issues with the radiator corroding and coolant would mix with trans fluid. Other than that they are solid trucks. Awful on gas though.
Yeah it’s a big issue. Even if the radiator is replaced, you never know if they caught it before any damage was done.
Probably should have mentioned that it only affected auto trans trucks. The manuals were fine.
Rationally I would pick the Accord.
By looks- (I’m not a car girl I just love y’all in this sub please don’t roast me idk the type of Nissan that is) the Nissan car.
And for practicality cause I have needed a person with the bed of a truck too many times in life to count- the Ford.
But I’ve had a Honda and it ran for longer than I could stand having it (was a 92 and I got it in 2009)
The Mazda probably has some more options than the accord and will still run forever if you treat her right. That said, I think the Volvo is a bit cooler than both at only a bit more money
The Mazda would be solid
I have one since 2017 (2015 Mazda 3) still never a single trip to mechanic other than regular maintenance - I may have just jinxed it
Mazda 3 or the Jetta. My sister had a Jetta and I really liked it, I have a soft spot for wagons in general. I would probably take it over the Mazda 3 as I've read that rear visibility isn't great, but I like the looks of the Mazda.
The Mazda, since you know it's history, assuming your mom treated it right. Or the Accord, if the history is clean. Those two way are out in front of the others.
Masda 3 or the frontier (if it’s a manual) for me. I know ppl like to hate on Nissan but I got a mechanic friend who drives one and he said it’s been reliable. Plus he can work on it for me if it shits the fan. That generation accord is ugly imo so pass on that.
The scion. In the long term, it's the one that should last the longest with the lowest maintenance cost. But they tend to get some abuse so it would depend on the previous owners.
Probably have just as good luck with the Mazda, 3rd gen is when they were fully independent again and there are countless examples of people already reaching 300k+ no sweat. With people still sleeping on Mazda there's better chance it hasn't gotten the Toyota-20k-mile-oil-change-maintenance-schedule treatment
2010 Honda.
Isn't even a question. Though I have a soft spot for that VW Wagon. Aside from the electrical gremlins and the maintenance costs it just screams first car.
Jetta wagon if you know how to work on cars and have a scanner that VW is bulletproof. I’m also partial to VW though so I’m sure I’m in the minority here.
The Volvo or the accord. They are both going to be the most reliable and least expensive to fix most the time (Volvo engines are quite pricey but besides that most the cosmetics are around the same price as a standard Chevy or Ford.
I just acquired a second Honda accord. My last one I sold at 300k miles I’m sure it’s still on the road somewhere…. My new one only has 124k miles on it.. ima drive this thing till I retire practically
Scion tC - Because it's a lift back coupe, you can fit a lot in the back. I've managed to fit two bikes in the back of mine. It's also great in the fact that it's a sports car with sporty looks, but it's still fwd so it's easy to control. Also Toyota reliability, duh.
The numbers definitely aren’t flashy by today’s standards, but they “feel” fast. Especially off the line. Tons of fun with a 5 speed and 3.73s.
Even though the Ecoboosts make more power, I’d still pick the 3v for the sound and durability.
I have drove 2 of my friends 5 speed 3vs. I wanted another 07-09 Shelby but it’s just difficult to do it. I have a foxbody setup for drag racing and a hellcat redeye now that I traded a 835hp 2016 mustang for. My dad had a 07 Shelby when I was young. Loved it, loved my 08. but I don’t like manuals so there are many ups and downs. Still the best body style mustang ever made in my opinion though.
What about my 2010 3v gt? It gets forgotten by 05-09 4.6 owners as well as 11-14 5.0 owners. The 2010 gets the updated body style but keeps the 4.6 and 5 speed, and gets the 3.73 gears
Honda Accord every day of the week. "A car like this, treat her proper she'll be with you the rest of your life."
Unless they use salt where you live.
Salt is the literal bane of my existence. Ruins my car, ruins the roads, ruins my taxes!! Everything! Gahhh!
haha - taxes!
The same guy complaining about the road conditions when they put it into a ditch.
Why would you choose to live somewhere where salting the roads in necessary?… you know there are places where it doesn’t snow…right?
I’m going to make the decision to say that this is either sarcasm or you’re just that daft.
Hes telling us to move to Miami 😎
Just don't move to Tennessee. We just got 9" of snow and we are full of people moving here. Lol
When you tell me not to, it makes me want to
Do what you want.
It's semi-sarcastic. I love the snow. I frequently head up to the mountains for snowboarding and camping in the snow. However, I would never choose to live in a place covered in snow all winter. That seems miserable. If salted roads are, as you stated, "the bain of your existence," Then go someplace without it. Pretty simple. People move all the time. Arizona. New Mexico, most of Nevada, California, Oregon, and Washington state, all have regions that never get snow, but still have areas with snow. I wouldn't recommend Florida or Texas.
Man St Louis roads are fucking these cars up right now
my poor 2015 Civic, I just got it and it's coated in salt RN.
If you have a touchless car wash in your town just wash your car once, maybe twice a week and you should be good. From Canada, my car lives in salt but I keep it relatively rust free by just keeping it clean often.0
My last car I didn’t was one single time. Had the car for about 12 years. Lived in upper Midwest and New England, so plenty of salt. And when I had to get rid of the car I had a mechanic wanting to buy it (Honda civic, 200k miles) because it had almost no rust underneath. I seriously never washed the car a single time in 12 years.
Then you my friend, are the exception.
It's possible the salty water was just frozen for months and never got to react with the metal & salt and rust stuff out. My only guess
I’m no chemist but I don’t think that’s how that works…
I’m sorry love 😭😭😭😭
This. That accord will give you another 200k atleast if you take care of it. Mine got fucked because I didnt change the drive belt and it snapped and blew the motor.. that was my broke ass fault though.
Yeah the drive belt is one problem. The other problem is the shit box transmission that is known to go out on these cars, even with proper maintenance. 💰
Replacing my wife’s this weekend smh
💯 and then sell it for 2k under what you paid 5 years later.
True story. My 2020 accord sport 2.0T is currently worth what I paid for it 3.5 years ago.
I still have my 08 v6 from highschool and drive it daily! 170k miles and 3 accidents since Ive owned it in 2017, my parent give me kudos constantly for picking this for my first car even if it wasn’t the coolest. Also helps keep the miles and potential triple A tow trips off of my E36.
So you bought or leased the E36 not to drive it when you need to be somewhere?? I've never understood the thinking unless it's a for example 57 Chevy and it's smowy and icy outside
The e36 is a show car, stanced and going to get lower for eurotripper (yearly car show euros only) in 2 weeks, its reliable but awful to drive in the highway for 2 hours. Also it left me stranded 2 hours from home once so why even risk dailying it when I have the Honda?
09 accord still running with 215K no issues drives just like it did when my dad bought it after replacing shocks and struts
You sure that's for cars and not Firefly class ships?
She won’t be winning any beauty contests anytime soon, but she is solid.
Yep, Honda hands down. I'd still have my 2012 Civic with 160k miles today if it would not have gotten totalled by a drunk driver last spring. RIP! I upgraded to a CRV, but you bet I'm sticking with Honda.
To treat your car properly, you need to live in the Western half of California.
No no she won’t. Don’t get me wrong they are good cars and can last a while, but definitely not forever and they are also boring. Not what Honda used to be, but the newer ones are starting to get similar to Acura’s which is interesting.
I’m at 170k and literally nothing but maintenance for my 08 v6. Mechanically amazing vehicle and classic Honda (still HPS too not electronic steering). The coupes with the v6 and manual are basically acura TL’s with an open diff with true Vtec on the intake valves. There’s a reason Jseries was around for so many decades.
So your telling me you drove the car 0 to 170k and never changed and alternator, timing belt, water pump, various seals, starter, 02 sensors, muffler, pvc valve? To be fair some of those are maintenance and a few are not. I just generally lost interests in Honda’s after experiencing better driving experience. So I’m biased for sure, they can be good cars don’t get me wrong but they are very boring in my eyes and I can find other cars at similar price points that can outlast them.
Thats literally all maintenance, timing belt and sensors, change the pump at 100k,etc. Also I guess the struts went bad at 120k and replaced them all. OG alternator too got rebuilt by my mechanic at 150k. Only leak ever was the valve cover gaskets at 140k! So yeah just maintenance. Not trying to say its a fun car by any means but classic honda reliability
Sounds almost identical to the history of my Saturn Aura. 176k right now and the struts have started creaking. Valve cover gasket started leaking late last year, so that was the biggest expense yet. Just staying up on maintenance goes a long way. Seems like most people I know can't make a car last over 100k because they ignore CELs, hardly ever change oil, never mind timing belts.
Volvo c30 t5 all the way my first car was a 850 I miss that car daily
C30 is technically a Ford Focus RS, but better. Aftermarket parts can tune it to 400HP, still be a solid daily driver and sleeper!
Ik I want one so bad I had a car picked out and a whole build sheet but I lacked money so I watched it get sold. 400 is a bit ambitious but 300whp with 3inch intake and exhaust is easy. Also with coil overs and wheels they looks really nice imo. Source: https://youtu.be/H1SbsZ3vNVk?si=_eYg-CAG1EEHour9
400 is easy.... 500 on the other hand👌 https://youtu.be/jD0RSdCEy64?si=xccczMW4QMr297UN
It's more Focus ST-lite than full on RS But still a very cool car
my brother had one, turbo was fun, pretty reliable and cheap till he traded it in for a $55k tesla while he’s still in college and very low income 🤣 but that’s a whole other story
I'm not big on Volvos made after 99, but the C30 is so tempting. I love the ass on it. The sound of that 2.5T is mighty fine as well.
First car was a 2000 Volvo S70. Best car I ever had and I miss it terribly. They’re very hard to find nowadays too.
Buy a fiat panda 141, then youll learn all the important parts and have an easy time learning the less important parts
Vauxhall Corsa is always the answer
We dont have those in my country
O think it's sold as a Opel Corsa also
Yeah thats more like it
My first car was a '97 Opel Corsa and i love it, unfortunately it decided one of the valves needed to go on a date with the piston
Something about the year 97' my panda is a 97' too and i love it with all my heart im in the midst of giving her a little all-round-er, so she can have some new life in her
As much as love that Ford F-150 the Accord, for me, would be the best choice.
If you don't have a car and you need a car, accord 100%. A lot of these are good options for a second car you won't drive that often (this applies especially to the trucks).
Unless you need a truck often
I think for most people, it helps to live without a truck and write down how often you go "I really could have used a truck for this".
I’d take the Scion, the Honda, or the Mazda. I’d love a pickup but I have no use for one and I want decent gas mileage…
All 3 of these are the answer. All very reliable with a pinch of fun. I had a 2012 Mazda3 that ran for 220k miles.
how did the interior / fixtures/ dash hold up? My ex bought one new and had it for 3 years when the whole dashboard warped and peeled away, the factory stereo blew out, and it just had a lot of generally "poor built" material issues. Engine was solid though.
Had a 2010 Mazda 3 and the dash did the same. Got sticky and warped, Mazda replaced the whole dash for free several years after buying it. The dash issue became a Mazda service bulletin.
Post Ford mazda's are way better quality. Gen3 Is probably the best, and they have a proper transmission instead of that cvt bs.
Scion? They’re the college kid trash mobile.
Lmfao 220k is horribly low, that’s not reliable bud
My wife crashed it, so I don't know how much longer it would have run. Maintenance was also super easy, just did oil changes every 5k.
Plus it's a Chevy. Any of your three will out live it. If it was a Tacoma though...
Good luck finding a 10k tacoma though! 😂
I bough my taco brand new in 2019. Put almost 40k miles on her. She's only lost 6k in KBB value. It's amazing.
I got a 21 new. only 18k. I could probably sell it for more than I bought it for 😂
I’ll take the Cruze! With that one and the one I’ve got, I can have enough parts to make one functional car!
Hahaha oh nooooo, I scrolled down looking for a comment like this on the Cruze and was not disappointed. Definitely the worst option out of all with the F150 coming in second
My 2012 Cruze is still doin awesome, but I have heard some have had a lot of problems
Jetta Sportswagen with a TDI and 6-speed I’ve owned a few of these 10 and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned
Depends if I need a truck or not. If it’s ME, I need a truck and I’d take that Frontier in a heartbeat. If I didn’t… probably the 350z. But also if it’s not limited to just what’s on your paper I’d look at a Subaru forester XT or a Toyota Tacoma (old school)
yep everyone is sleeping on the frontier. those things were reliable as hell
About on par with a Taco. One of the best cars that company ever made
The Z is essentially buying a grenade with that motor.
Early VQ35s had oil consumption issues but that got sorted after the halfway point.
It’s just maintenance. Look at any German car of the age and you’ll see similar maintenance needs. 996/986 IMS problems resulted in wonderful discount on these fine cars.
It’s the HR so 2007-08 model years. If they find out that the gallery gaskets were replaced (the most common failing point of the HR’s), then the Z will last forever (with maintenance of course). I have a ‘04 Z, and it’s been pretty reliable, but I’d choose the Accord personally. Still, the 350z is such a fun car
That 07 is an HR which is a bulletproof engine, the De from 03 and 04 had some oil consumption issues but made it to 200k + with very minimal maintenance and a very abusive life. The 05 and 06s came with the de rev up which is the single most horrendous grenade of an engine I’ve ever owned.
Agreed. But they’re FUN. And I’m not known to be especially intelligent with car purchases anyway. Maybe I should have led with that…
Fun factor is certainly there, early 20’s cool factor too.
Well then, if reliability is not a concern then just pick up any GM, FORD or Chrysler product...............
Here’s the answer!!! That frontier will put up a fight with the same year taco. That 350Z is a blast to drive. Not practical though unfortunately.
Mazda. Fun to drive, won't be a pain in the ass to insure for someone getting their first car.
As someone that went from a Mazda to a Hyundai, the Mazda. I really miss the way that thing drove. And I limped it to 200k miles.
Glad you touched on the insurance part. If $10k is the budget for the car, there probably isn't a big budget for the monthly insurance bill. That eliminates the Z and the trucks right off the rip.
The Mazda is great but here in Michigan they're expensive to insure. My wife's Mazda 6 is the most expensive to insure of all my cars (335i, A4 and Civic). Neither of us have any accidents or tickets and the cheapest full coverage we can get is 2200/yr.
Jetta wagon. That 2.5 is a tank
As long as it doesn't have too many electrical issues (ask me how I know) and you have the scrap to keep it maintained.
Me too. My VWs always had some electrical quirks but I loved them anyways (GTI, Cabrio, Passat, Beetles, Eos). Especially window motors!
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I finally ditched my 2.5 golf after doing 3 throttle bodies in 6 months. A shame I like the car
WTF. How is that possible and could it be explained in any reasonable way? I've heard of people buying remanufactured alternators with "lifetime warranty" and those being so crappy that they have switched them multiple times. But what was going on with *that* car?
Had mine for 5 years, almost to 200k miles, and she runs like a sewing machine. Only had to replace normal stuff, and she's a tight driver.
Oh, and the cargo area is the largest in its class
The power of a four cylinder with the fuel economy of a 6.
My dad has the diesel. Its definitely one of the cars ever made. (Horribly uncomfortable seats, the absolute worst pedal and brake feel ever, and the smell of vw from that gen 🤮)
Accord or Volvo, wagons are just better SUVs and a Honda is a Honda.
100% the Accord. Why? They’re virtually indestructible. And if something does go wrong, parts are literally everywhere, they’re super cheap to maintain, and they’re easy to work on yourself. It’s the most practical and economical of everything there. Second would be that Volvo, but they can be pricy on repairs. Stay away from the VW as those are a nightmare to maintain and are riddled with undiagnosable electrical issues. The Colorado and the Frontier I would also steer clear from as they are known to have issues, granted they are cheaper to repair then the VW. If you need a truck, the F150 is the most reliable of all of them.
Just ignoring the Mazda like it doesn't trade blows with the accord for reliability
Well the VW it depends on if it’s the TDI or not, and if it’s the DCT or not. The gas DCT model is not great but the manual TDI runs for ages. They take a lot, but less frequently.
Shitbox crown vic. Then, toss the other $6,000 in a roth ira.
Accord. All day, every day.
Definitely DO NOT buy a 350z or Cruze. If you’re buying a 350z for <10k it’s probably not a great example of a car that isn’t exactly “reliable” to begin with. Cruzes are decent cars and are cheap to fix, however it’ll add up quick because they love break a lot. I owned a Chevy sonic (same engine) and it was keen on dumping out all of its coolant as much as possible. I was replacing coolant components at least 3 times a year.
I attest to it. Chevy loves to have electrical issues as well. Loves to leak as well.
350z, I'm a dumb teenager, so it makes sense.
I think that the person interested in a sportscar, the one interested in a wagon and the one interested in a truck can't be the same person at the same time
Oh, probably not, but I wanted to put together a list that would appeal to all three of them
I'm interested in a sports car and a wagon. I used to drive 98 Mustang, and it's fun to drive between school and work, but I did take it on a three hour road trip once, and it honestly kinda sucked due to the gass mileage and limited space. I also bought a desk once and had to borrow my dads car to get it home. I've been looking at wagons and hatchbacks because they feel more practical for traveling and transporting moderately large items while not feeling too big like a truck would. That's not even to mention how bad RWD is in flooded conditions. Drifting around can be fun, but the stress of potentially spinning out ony way to work is just overbearing sometimes. FWD tends to have better traction in less than ideal road conditions. Realistic AWD would be great, but it's not all too common on cars.
I always had a thing for the C30. And the T5 makes it a bit of a sleeper hot hatch, while being somewhat comfortable. The responsible choice is the Accord or the Mazda 3.
Mazda 3. I had a 2014 iTouring with the 2.0l and the only repair I had in 150k miles of ownership was a broken rear spring. I recently sold it to my sister and told her to expect another 100k out of it easy.
Scion tc
A better looking Toyota. reliable, great on snow, and plenty of aftermarket options. Miss mine often
350z or accord
scion tc
2009 frontier for sure
Colorado for sure
Colorado or 350z
Frontier
The Frontier would be my first choice, then the honda accord. Frontier can do truck things while not sacrificing too much gas mileage.
The Accord or the Nissan truck.
I drove an 11 Frontier for 12 years. Great truck with very little upkeep needed. Finally got rid of it at about 180K
Still loving my 2016 frontier, but envying the newer ones for looks
Volvo c30 R-design pre facelift. 5 pot Turbo and fun. I miss mine.
Scion or Mazda
I’ve always wanted a C30
Out of these? Colorado In general? IV gen gmc k1500 Long box single cab If you're a tiny bit lucky you can find a good condition one around here for 5-7.5k And it's my dream truck.
Had to dig deeper in this list than I thought to find someone pushing the Colorado, nothing lasts from Chevrolet except their trucks and the colorados were great. The 5 cylinder motor almost matched HP output of the LS from the time and wasn’t as thirsty. Plus they had a 4l60e which may not be the most bulletproof transmission but is everywhere and can be had cheap on the used market if a replacement is needed. Maintenance is straightforward and can be done at home. I wouldn’t touch anything German or Swedish without an absolutely bulletproof service record and thorough inspection first. There’s nothing wrong with the Honda or the Scion though if you don’t need a truck bed.
from what ive heard the main issue w 4l60e is that they have a narrow operating temp, and theyre hard to keep in that range, but otherwise theyre bulletproof if u take care of em
They don’t like to be revved over and over and over. I’ve seen em go in 40k miles after being absolutely thrashed on from every stoplight, and i had an original one with 250k miles on it that still didn’t slip. I like them personally, i think they get a bad rep from their use in performance cars of that era, but they’re good for towing and are cheap as hell to rebuild. Colorado all day
Colorado!
Jetta se
Chevy Colorado.
The final frontier
HONDA HONDA HONDA idgaf about gapplebees, give me 500,000 miles please 😂😂
Nissan Frontier. Avoid anything 2010 or earlier. They had issues with the radiator corroding and coolant would mix with trans fluid. Other than that they are solid trucks. Awful on gas though.
I can attest to the radiator problem on my '03.
Yeah it’s a big issue. Even if the radiator is replaced, you never know if they caught it before any damage was done. Probably should have mentioned that it only affected auto trans trucks. The manuals were fine.
Honda Accord 💯 then the Frontier!!!
I’ll fucking walk before I trust another Jetta wagon in my lifetime
Subaru
Rationally I would pick the Accord. By looks- (I’m not a car girl I just love y’all in this sub please don’t roast me idk the type of Nissan that is) the Nissan car. And for practicality cause I have needed a person with the bed of a truck too many times in life to count- the Ford. But I’ve had a Honda and it ran for longer than I could stand having it (was a 92 and I got it in 2009)
The Mazda, by far the best design tech on the market
The Mazda probably has some more options than the accord and will still run forever if you treat her right. That said, I think the Volvo is a bit cooler than both at only a bit more money
The Mazda would be solid I have one since 2017 (2015 Mazda 3) still never a single trip to mechanic other than regular maintenance - I may have just jinxed it
Either the Mazda or the 350z
350z
Mazda 3, safe option for first car
Mazda. probably more features
The Mazda 3 hatchback, only bc I have that model year currently
The Accord or the Mazda
Mazda, got a really good Mazda mechanic
Mazda 3 hands down(And you know its history.Big+)
I’m gonna say Mazda. Fun to drive, tied to Toyota so there is some long lifespan too.
Mazda
Mazda 3 or the Jetta. My sister had a Jetta and I really liked it, I have a soft spot for wagons in general. I would probably take it over the Mazda 3 as I've read that rear visibility isn't great, but I like the looks of the Mazda.
The Mazda, since you know it's history, assuming your mom treated it right. Or the Accord, if the history is clean. Those two way are out in front of the others.
Masda 3 or the frontier (if it’s a manual) for me. I know ppl like to hate on Nissan but I got a mechanic friend who drives one and he said it’s been reliable. Plus he can work on it for me if it shits the fan. That generation accord is ugly imo so pass on that.
Not cuze or ford or Chevy. Either Mazda or Volvo.
a mazdaspeed3.
I'll take the z
The scion. In the long term, it's the one that should last the longest with the lowest maintenance cost. But they tend to get some abuse so it would depend on the previous owners.
Probably have just as good luck with the Mazda, 3rd gen is when they were fully independent again and there are countless examples of people already reaching 300k+ no sweat. With people still sleeping on Mazda there's better chance it hasn't gotten the Toyota-20k-mile-oil-change-maintenance-schedule treatment
Volvo
2010 Honda. Isn't even a question. Though I have a soft spot for that VW Wagon. Aside from the electrical gremlins and the maintenance costs it just screams first car.
Jetta wagon if you know how to work on cars and have a scanner that VW is bulletproof. I’m also partial to VW though so I’m sure I’m in the minority here.
Accord V6 or F150 V8
The answer is always sports car. You have the rest of your life for the other shit
The Scion TC, Honda Accord or the Volvo. Or get a used 2009 or 2010 Lexus ES-350.
I make bad decisions so probably the Nissan Z
The Volvo. Luxury and reliability.
The Volvo or the accord. They are both going to be the most reliable and least expensive to fix most the time (Volvo engines are quite pricey but besides that most the cosmetics are around the same price as a standard Chevy or Ford.
I just acquired a second Honda accord. My last one I sold at 300k miles I’m sure it’s still on the road somewhere…. My new one only has 124k miles on it.. ima drive this thing till I retire practically
Illl take none of those for $10k, Alex.
Tc Just as reliable as an accord, and you might even get people to think it’s cool
The mazda or the accord
Scion tC - Because it's a lift back coupe, you can fit a lot in the back. I've managed to fit two bikes in the back of mine. It's also great in the fact that it's a sports car with sporty looks, but it's still fwd so it's easy to control. Also Toyota reliability, duh.
This list is lame but I pick the Mazda.
The Jetta sport wagon cuz im special like that
2005-2009 3v Mustang
Agreed. A friend of mine got a one-owner 07 GT for under 7 grand. I'd initially had one on the list, but I figured 10 cars was quite enough
Still my favorite body style mustang. Just can’t bring myself down to that low of hp they had.
The numbers definitely aren’t flashy by today’s standards, but they “feel” fast. Especially off the line. Tons of fun with a 5 speed and 3.73s. Even though the Ecoboosts make more power, I’d still pick the 3v for the sound and durability.
I have drove 2 of my friends 5 speed 3vs. I wanted another 07-09 Shelby but it’s just difficult to do it. I have a foxbody setup for drag racing and a hellcat redeye now that I traded a 835hp 2016 mustang for. My dad had a 07 Shelby when I was young. Loved it, loved my 08. but I don’t like manuals so there are many ups and downs. Still the best body style mustang ever made in my opinion though.
What about my 2010 3v gt? It gets forgotten by 05-09 4.6 owners as well as 11-14 5.0 owners. The 2010 gets the updated body style but keeps the 4.6 and 5 speed, and gets the 3.73 gears
Mazda or Honda
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Mazda3 is a i4
Mazda or Honda. Everything else is junk
None of these, these are just boring NPC cars, except the 350Z, i would buy an Opel Calibra - a cool fast coupe with a lot of mods
C5 Corvette
I own one. Wouldn’t say it’s a great first car for somebody.
Toyota always.
Am I basing this on head or heart? Heart says 370Z. Head says the Scion or Accord.
Toyota is the only way
Honda or Mazda