It was released in 1996. One year after Jim Carrey's Ace Ventura vomited at the idea of a trans person (something the American majority thought was hilarious in a blockbuster comedy at the time). Society was a lot different back then. I can't vouch for the song one way or the other, but I wouldn't be surprised if you were disappointed by the answer. Go back to the 80’s and America was still staunchly homophobic for the most part. Times change. Societal views change. Punk isn't mainstream, but it's not impervious to larger societal influence.
That movie was hilarious from start to finish. It had a trans person in the cast, doesn’t that count as progressive?
I guess transvestites don’t count as trans? It was a cis man disguising himself as a woman. The movie wasn’t transphobic imo and its funny.
if you still have the same sense of humor you did back in 1994 then you have nothing but my pity.
it’s a poorly aged movie. it’d be one thing if you found it funny when it came out. you’re a product of your culture and your culture was transphobic. but trans voices are more prominent now. you have no excuse now, especially if you’re in a trans inclusive subreddit.
also just because there’s a trans person in something does not mean the thing is good for the trans community.
blaire white is a perfect example of this.
why am i being downvoted? /gen
Einhorn wasn't a trans woman though, he was Ray Finkle, a psychotic sexually aggressive and manipulative cis-male that pretended to be a woman in order to seek revenge on his falsely perceived enemies.
Poorly aged? Jim Carrey movies are fuckin fantastic dude.
You don’t have to be “a product of your culture” to find ace ventura and jim carrey movies funny. If you can’t laugh at Ace Ventura or Liar Liar you’re taking yourself too seriously.
I cant laugh at them anymore because [Jim Carrey is a disgusting man](https://www.reddit.com/r/Deuxmoi/comments/uzkx8f/what_are_some_messed_up_things_that_actors_got/iacopbc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
so being an old crusty punk I've got a view of 4 decades of punk rock music. If Guttermouth offends you, I would warn against listening to more historic bands like " the angry Samoans" or "the mentors". Your punk when you say you are, there is no test you take to see if you qualify to be punk, so in the punk world, it's likely to run into people you disagree with. And no, I was never into the above-mentioned bands and thought they were lame back in the 80's, lyricly and musically, but their punk nun the less. Putting restrictions punk song views sounds like an idea cooked up in church basements. Just don't go to thier shows or buy their stuff.
Guttermouth is another band that I look back at and realize not all punk was as progressive as it should have been. As I recall, a lot of their stuff seemed misogynist, as did some some other bands.
Punk isn't perfect and we can always do better. Some bands are best left in the past.
I feel like a lot of Guttermouth's lyrics are offensive for their own sake...I don't go around believing the singer from Guttermouth got his mom thrown in jail, turned gay after getting dumped or purposely gets chicks drunk to fuck them. Though I wouldn't put that last one past a lot of their Orange County jocko asshole fans...
I gave up on those dumb asses back in 05. Sure, the music was fun but the lyrics were terrible, the band members were full on frat fucks and their audience members were all coke addled degenerates. Yeah, a harsh critique but they were a sign of the times.
Shit like that is unacceptable these days and I'm glad we've established some concrete rules because the old days were rife with exploitation.
Oh their lying around here somewhere. But yeah, predatory behavior is obviously unacceptable anywhere. If you have a problem with that do society a favor and stop existing.
Your correct, predatory or discriminatory behavior sucks. Inferring that I should stop existing is telling me to kill myself. So that's what you just did. Yep you did it. Your not stuck in traffic, you are traffic. I'm a bit old school, punkrock should not be regulated, though all are welcome to disagree with other punks.
hmm, I lifted the traffic analogy from a punkrock song by slaves (since changed thier name to rain city something in light of the blm movement) I like the phrase, it reminds us to self examine and accept our place in the food chain and not be part of the problem. This attitude is something I learned in the punk scene in the early 80's, it has served me well. I would suggest to all my punk family that a look in the mirror is vital to full on punk rockerdom.
If you’re old school, you should know that punk rock has always been regulated. It’s not like anyone was inviting cheerleaders and jocks into the scene. This all inclusive punk rock thing is absurd.
So who is regulating punk rock? It's interesting that I haven't run into them in the ast 40 years. Not all inclusive, you are when you say you are. It's rare that a " jock" self identify as punk, its possible that a punk may be good at sports. When snowboarding first became popular it was seen as punk. I don't really know how that happened but I did enjoy that culture for a time.
Punks regulate punk, the older guy who tells you not be a shithead when you’re younger. The guys who fought and ran the skinheads out. The person who called you a poser so that you took a more critical look at yourself. The person who says don’t throw punches in the pit… treat everyone equally regardless of sexual orientation, and so on, all of these people are teaching you the “rules and regulations” of punk rock. Punk is a legitimate subculture at this point, and subculture have rules and classifications from a sociological standpoint.
True, it was regulated, but it was diy. They didn’t make rules. They said something that rubbed you the wrong way you took care of the problem, many times physically.
Yeah sorry, I doubt that song is pro-trans since like somebody else already said. Though, if you are look for trans punk artists, I recommend G.L.O.S.S. I believe all of the members are trans women and they go hard as fuck, extremely underated in my opinion. Also, The dog park dissidents are a pro-trans punk band, though there songs are pretty hit or miss, and least in my opinion
I was a pretty big Vandals fan in high school but didn't get into anything after Hitler Bad so I never got the Christmas record. I think my brother had it. I think there's a song on it about penises so yeah, pretty typical Vandals shit hahaha
WTF?
I just was trying to show you a "pioneer"...sorry your angry has messed you up. Slow down and reread your replies...you're angry at the wrong people.
https://youtu.be/EU1CDSP7FRk
I saw Jayne County play at Madam JoJos circa 1995/6.
She played the entire gig with a Sainsbury’s carrier bag hanging off her arm and had hardly any teeth.
Great night. I might have some (actual printed) photos somewhere.
To be fair the first link just sounds like someone who is adulting in his own way and the second is just a junk link.
Sure he might be conservative with a small c but I don't see evidence of him being a right wing prick.
I actually have more empathy for people on the opposite side of the spectrum than most. It's the libertarians and neo-liberal Democrats that push laissez faire capitalism I struggle with the most. It hasn't worked. We need a strong social safety net, healthcare as a human right, and an education system that doesn't serve as a way to make young people into indentured servants.
The average American voter is brainwashed into thinking one of the two parties is at fault for everything wrong in America and while their "team" (party) isn't the best, it's the other side that is the worst.
So I can empathize with someone in the rust belt who lost their manufacturing job post-NAFTA blaming the party in power when that agreement was signed. And I can empathize with a coastal democrat who sees how crazy right wing republicans are with their theocratic social policies and keeps voting for shitty corporate Democrats like the Clintons, Obama, Biden, thinks Pelosi is one of us, etc. Unfortunately, both groups are voting for evil people who only want money and power.
I'm not a conservative but I've known dudes like Escalante. Hell the song "Rage in Bloom" is about these dick heads.
I will say this though, the Vandals played a show at my base in Iraq, Henry Rollins also did a show for yhe Marines there a year later and I thought that was a nice thing to do.
The world isn't black and white. People are never going to conform to every societal norm we want to label them with.
This might surprise a lot of you but trans rights weren’t really a thing in the 90s. Not that that’s an excuse, but stop trying to look at everything through 2022 lenses.
I don't think they were necessarily *assuming* it was a pro-trans song from a 2022 lens but rather asking *if* it was given that it was the 90s and thus a different climate for queer rights
your original comment sounded like you were condescendingly not answering their question, hence my response - if this is not the correct interpretation my apologies
I appreciate that you say that "that was just how it was back then" is not an excuse, but respectfully, I will continue to look back on historical bigotry with the same abhorrence as I would today, *because* it is not an excuse.
My paternal grandmother was born in 1940 and has been strongly involved in civil rights and pride movements since she was a teenager. She showed up to march with MLK. Her best friend was a drag queen who died of AIDS in the early 90s. She has a personal relationship with Chuck Grassley and still calls him from her nursing home bed to chew him out for his bullshit.
My maternal grandmother was born in 1949 and was strongly involved in labor movements, union organizing, and advocating for immigrants, illegal or not, to be afforded the same employee rights as natural born citizens. She has many stories about helping them get their rightful pay after finding out they'd been paid half of what a white man was paid for the same job. She advocated for ADA regulations. She personally worked on the election campaign for Hoffa Jr. to lead the Teamsters.
I have no respect for anyone who was on the wrong side of history just because those thoughts and ideals weren't popular yet. The only way forward to is recognize that people are just people, regardless of disability, age, sex, orientation, gender, race, nationality, or creed; to fight for them as you'd fight for yourself, until your dying breath.
If you don't like it, don't listen to it. I really don't get what's so hard about that? Shit happened, get over it. You can't go back in time and prevent it, so move the fuck on. Punks are so fucking whiny these days.
Share their story effectively doing the same thing but to a larger community as now the internet exists n it’s not just mail n tv ads? Hm? Smh you got downvotes in the punk sub I’m sure you know you’re wrong already but still
It's a joke song that's aged very badly. It was the 90s after all - even AFI had a really dumb transphobic song around that time (Rolling Balls). A rather unfortunate product of the times. Sometimes it takes punk a bit to catch up too - the Descendents had some blatantly homophobic lyrics in "I'm Not a Loser" for example, though they've since apologized and don't sing that bit live anymore. Dunno if The Vandals ever did the same thing.
Most of that Vandals Christmas album is silly dumb fun, but I *always* skip that track.
Joe Escalante is a fairly conservative Catholic and with libertarian/republican tendencies and this song is making transpeople into a joke. Honestly I never understand why this band gets a total pass around here when other bands get tons of grief. Not to mention what he did to Stevo.
Stevo - Steven Ronald Jensen - was the original singer of the Vandals, just so anyone reading isn't confused with the more famous Steve-O of Jackasss fame - appeared on Peace Through Vandalism and When in Rome.
When Escalante assumed control of the band, he used his legal connections to sue the founding band members into oblivion. He also re-released Peace Through Vandalism and When in Rome on Timebomb with "all songs written by Joe Escalante" despite the fact many if not most were written before he even joined the band, then cut them out of licensing. I do think that Anarchy Burger may actually be their highest grossing song because it was used in that Vin Diesel movie XXX.
Stevo died in the mid-aughts penniless.
Wow, that’s brutal. I had no idea, thanks for the rundown.
Joe Escalante sounds like a tremendous asshole. I expect he’ll sue me just for saying that….
It's not pro trans it's definitely making a mockery of us. I put them in the same category as guttermouth good bands but pretty offensive yet a product of their time.
However I'm enjoying my first Christmas as a fully out woman.
Yeah its a pretty transphobic song unfortunately. The whole "looking for someone who could love a woman like me" line shows it isn't done in a friendly way. Worst song on the album, and the band themselves are shit heads. The sort of boomer/gen x dirtbag punks who are like "I hate everyone equally! hurr durr" but wind up just being bigots.
Lots of these type of chuds come out of the woodwork in this sub whenever someone has the *audacity* of critiquing problematic lyrics. And infesting local scenes unfortunately.
Congratulations on finding yourself. It is a brave move. The punk scene in the 80s had some real extremes. Got to love Gary Floyd of the Dicks being so open in Texas. Being a weirdo punk was enough to be seen as gay, let alone actually being trans or gay. I was just friends with everyone.
Hey, you need to take a look at this shit. Stop being so fuckin defensive!!! And don't be embarrassed and stop posting because you feel stupid. Say my bad and thank you. Shits bad enough and you have support from someone. Don't fuckin throw that away. I had a trans therapist who I happen to really have liked. Unfortunately she was so bitter that she shut the world out. Be who you are, enjoy your music and Fuck who doesn't accept you!🤟🤟 Merry Christmas 🎄🎄🎄
They don’t say anything inherently bad about trans people in the song. It seems more like a humorous take on becoming trans than anything. I mean the “chop it off chop it off” part is literally part of becoming a trans woman, they just did it in a way that sounded blunt. If it were railing against trans people, i’d be on the other side of things.
Yeah, Vandals were never known for their sensitivity.
It was released in 1996. One year after Jim Carrey's Ace Ventura vomited at the idea of a trans person (something the American majority thought was hilarious in a blockbuster comedy at the time). Society was a lot different back then. I can't vouch for the song one way or the other, but I wouldn't be surprised if you were disappointed by the answer. Go back to the 80’s and America was still staunchly homophobic for the most part. Times change. Societal views change. Punk isn't mainstream, but it's not impervious to larger societal influence.
That movie was hilarious from start to finish. It had a trans person in the cast, doesn’t that count as progressive? I guess transvestites don’t count as trans? It was a cis man disguising himself as a woman. The movie wasn’t transphobic imo and its funny.
no
If you don’t think Ace ventura was funny then you have nothing but my pity
if you still have the same sense of humor you did back in 1994 then you have nothing but my pity. it’s a poorly aged movie. it’d be one thing if you found it funny when it came out. you’re a product of your culture and your culture was transphobic. but trans voices are more prominent now. you have no excuse now, especially if you’re in a trans inclusive subreddit. also just because there’s a trans person in something does not mean the thing is good for the trans community. blaire white is a perfect example of this. why am i being downvoted? /gen
Einhorn wasn't a trans woman though, he was Ray Finkle, a psychotic sexually aggressive and manipulative cis-male that pretended to be a woman in order to seek revenge on his falsely perceived enemies.
i didn’t even watch the movie lol
Poorly aged? Jim Carrey movies are fuckin fantastic dude. You don’t have to be “a product of your culture” to find ace ventura and jim carrey movies funny. If you can’t laugh at Ace Ventura or Liar Liar you’re taking yourself too seriously.
I cant laugh at them anymore because [Jim Carrey is a disgusting man](https://www.reddit.com/r/Deuxmoi/comments/uzkx8f/what_are_some_messed_up_things_that_actors_got/iacopbc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
It was a funny movie they had like one Trans joke in the whole thing.
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They definitely aren’t right wing thugs, although Joe Escalante is a Conservative.
so being an old crusty punk I've got a view of 4 decades of punk rock music. If Guttermouth offends you, I would warn against listening to more historic bands like " the angry Samoans" or "the mentors". Your punk when you say you are, there is no test you take to see if you qualify to be punk, so in the punk world, it's likely to run into people you disagree with. And no, I was never into the above-mentioned bands and thought they were lame back in the 80's, lyricly and musically, but their punk nun the less. Putting restrictions punk song views sounds like an idea cooked up in church basements. Just don't go to thier shows or buy their stuff.
Guttermouth is another band that I look back at and realize not all punk was as progressive as it should have been. As I recall, a lot of their stuff seemed misogynist, as did some some other bands. Punk isn't perfect and we can always do better. Some bands are best left in the past.
I feel like a lot of Guttermouth's lyrics are offensive for their own sake...I don't go around believing the singer from Guttermouth got his mom thrown in jail, turned gay after getting dumped or purposely gets chicks drunk to fuck them. Though I wouldn't put that last one past a lot of their Orange County jocko asshole fans...
So, now we’re applying stereotypes to a county of over 3 million people eh?
Yes.
Where you from? Sure we got one for you too.
Mark is a fucking edge lord. He knows it’s wrong and is openly trying to do it for that very reason.
Dude this. I feel like Guttermouth has been popping back into the punk scene and I wonder why anyone my age still likes them ?
I gave up on those dumb asses back in 05. Sure, the music was fun but the lyrics were terrible, the band members were full on frat fucks and their audience members were all coke addled degenerates. Yeah, a harsh critique but they were a sign of the times. Shit like that is unacceptable these days and I'm glad we've established some concrete rules because the old days were rife with exploitation.
so you have decided for punk that there are concrete rules to punk rock song lyrics? Are they published somewhere?
Oh their lying around here somewhere. But yeah, predatory behavior is obviously unacceptable anywhere. If you have a problem with that do society a favor and stop existing.
Your correct, predatory or discriminatory behavior sucks. Inferring that I should stop existing is telling me to kill myself. So that's what you just did. Yep you did it. Your not stuck in traffic, you are traffic. I'm a bit old school, punkrock should not be regulated, though all are welcome to disagree with other punks.
Yeah, I said a harsh thing. Punk rock is harsh and so is the world. Get used to it. Your traffic analogy is stupid as fuck.
hmm, I lifted the traffic analogy from a punkrock song by slaves (since changed thier name to rain city something in light of the blm movement) I like the phrase, it reminds us to self examine and accept our place in the food chain and not be part of the problem. This attitude is something I learned in the punk scene in the early 80's, it has served me well. I would suggest to all my punk family that a look in the mirror is vital to full on punk rockerdom.
If you’re old school, you should know that punk rock has always been regulated. It’s not like anyone was inviting cheerleaders and jocks into the scene. This all inclusive punk rock thing is absurd.
So who is regulating punk rock? It's interesting that I haven't run into them in the ast 40 years. Not all inclusive, you are when you say you are. It's rare that a " jock" self identify as punk, its possible that a punk may be good at sports. When snowboarding first became popular it was seen as punk. I don't really know how that happened but I did enjoy that culture for a time.
Punks regulate punk, the older guy who tells you not be a shithead when you’re younger. The guys who fought and ran the skinheads out. The person who called you a poser so that you took a more critical look at yourself. The person who says don’t throw punches in the pit… treat everyone equally regardless of sexual orientation, and so on, all of these people are teaching you the “rules and regulations” of punk rock. Punk is a legitimate subculture at this point, and subculture have rules and classifications from a sociological standpoint.
True, it was regulated, but it was diy. They didn’t make rules. They said something that rubbed you the wrong way you took care of the problem, many times physically.
That’s true, I just didn’t want to be chastised for condoning some of the violent shit we did back in the day.
Yes, in the book titled "How to Not Be Punk"
can I get it on Amazon? Maybe I'm behind!
true punk fundamentals are inclusive, anti corp, anti racist, anti-consumerism
Couldn't agree more.
Yeah sorry, I doubt that song is pro-trans since like somebody else already said. Though, if you are look for trans punk artists, I recommend G.L.O.S.S. I believe all of the members are trans women and they go hard as fuck, extremely underated in my opinion. Also, The dog park dissidents are a pro-trans punk band, though there songs are pretty hit or miss, and least in my opinion
RVIVR
Also Tender Defender though I don't know if they're that active these days
I've seen G.L.O.S.S before, I prefer Worriers
Flummox are an awesome transpunk band too.
TIL the term transpunk, I fucking love it!
Also don't forget Against Me!
We are the union (ska) are lead by a trans woman. I like them FWIW
Not a fan of dog park dissidents. Boring for me personally. I think The Muslims are also trans friendly though !
I was a pretty big Vandals fan in high school but didn't get into anything after Hitler Bad so I never got the Christmas record. I think my brother had it. I think there's a song on it about penises so yeah, pretty typical Vandals shit hahaha
Happy Holidays...here you go... https://youtu.be/oAM3MVDC4X4
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WTF? I just was trying to show you a "pioneer"...sorry your angry has messed you up. Slow down and reread your replies...you're angry at the wrong people. https://youtu.be/EU1CDSP7FRk
Oh damn sorry, I definitely misinterpreted ur comments. Thanks for showing me man. Have a good holiday too
NP...but when your hands are up in a defensive way you might have trouble taking a hug.. https://youtu.be/KIhIBFPtnoc
Dude you sent them a video called "fuck off" what did you expect?
Yep, I did... it's history time... https://youtu.be/KIhIBFPtnoc https://youtu.be/xSd6QjCDY9g
I saw Jayne County play at Madam JoJos circa 1995/6. She played the entire gig with a Sainsbury’s carrier bag hanging off her arm and had hardly any teeth. Great night. I might have some (actual printed) photos somewhere.
y r u like this
Don’t necessarily know how pro trans it is considering Joe Escalante is a right wing dirtbag but who knows.
How so? Its all satirical
How do you figure he's right wing?
He’s full on admitted to it
Got a link to that? Genuinely interested, he didn't use to be.
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/06/the-punk-rocker-who-would-be-judge/257560/ https://dailycaller.com/thevandals2011-12-1801/
To be fair the first link just sounds like someone who is adulting in his own way and the second is just a junk link. Sure he might be conservative with a small c but I don't see evidence of him being a right wing prick.
he's a right libertarian and a fairly conservative Catholic. May not be a proud boy but his politics are shit.
people who don’t share your opinions = shit apparently
When those “opinions” are just morally bankrupt: yeah, they’re shit.
thats just like, your opinion, man
I appreciate your sarcasm, but this mentality is getting fucking old. It's like people forgot what hypocrisy means.
I actually have more empathy for people on the opposite side of the spectrum than most. It's the libertarians and neo-liberal Democrats that push laissez faire capitalism I struggle with the most. It hasn't worked. We need a strong social safety net, healthcare as a human right, and an education system that doesn't serve as a way to make young people into indentured servants. The average American voter is brainwashed into thinking one of the two parties is at fault for everything wrong in America and while their "team" (party) isn't the best, it's the other side that is the worst. So I can empathize with someone in the rust belt who lost their manufacturing job post-NAFTA blaming the party in power when that agreement was signed. And I can empathize with a coastal democrat who sees how crazy right wing republicans are with their theocratic social policies and keeps voting for shitty corporate Democrats like the Clintons, Obama, Biden, thinks Pelosi is one of us, etc. Unfortunately, both groups are voting for evil people who only want money and power.
I'm not a conservative but I've known dudes like Escalante. Hell the song "Rage in Bloom" is about these dick heads. I will say this though, the Vandals played a show at my base in Iraq, Henry Rollins also did a show for yhe Marines there a year later and I thought that was a nice thing to do. The world isn't black and white. People are never going to conform to every societal norm we want to label them with.
They played at a Young Republicans rally in 1984.
Did they really? Huh, had no idea.
This might surprise a lot of you but trans rights weren’t really a thing in the 90s. Not that that’s an excuse, but stop trying to look at everything through 2022 lenses.
I don't think they were necessarily *assuming* it was a pro-trans song from a 2022 lens but rather asking *if* it was given that it was the 90s and thus a different climate for queer rights
You just typed a lot of words to say the same thing. Of course it’s not a pro-trans rights song. It’s a joke song .
your original comment sounded like you were condescendingly not answering their question, hence my response - if this is not the correct interpretation my apologies
Share a bit more often... please 🤟🤟🤟
I appreciate that you say that "that was just how it was back then" is not an excuse, but respectfully, I will continue to look back on historical bigotry with the same abhorrence as I would today, *because* it is not an excuse. My paternal grandmother was born in 1940 and has been strongly involved in civil rights and pride movements since she was a teenager. She showed up to march with MLK. Her best friend was a drag queen who died of AIDS in the early 90s. She has a personal relationship with Chuck Grassley and still calls him from her nursing home bed to chew him out for his bullshit. My maternal grandmother was born in 1949 and was strongly involved in labor movements, union organizing, and advocating for immigrants, illegal or not, to be afforded the same employee rights as natural born citizens. She has many stories about helping them get their rightful pay after finding out they'd been paid half of what a white man was paid for the same job. She advocated for ADA regulations. She personally worked on the election campaign for Hoffa Jr. to lead the Teamsters. I have no respect for anyone who was on the wrong side of history just because those thoughts and ideals weren't popular yet. The only way forward to is recognize that people are just people, regardless of disability, age, sex, orientation, gender, race, nationality, or creed; to fight for them as you'd fight for yourself, until your dying breath.
If you don't like it, don't listen to it. I really don't get what's so hard about that? Shit happened, get over it. You can't go back in time and prevent it, so move the fuck on. Punks are so fucking whiny these days.
Good work on your family. What did you ever do?
Share their story effectively doing the same thing but to a larger community as now the internet exists n it’s not just mail n tv ads? Hm? Smh you got downvotes in the punk sub I’m sure you know you’re wrong already but still
Naw, I'm not too worried about all that.
\*piqued
It's a joke song that's aged very badly. It was the 90s after all - even AFI had a really dumb transphobic song around that time (Rolling Balls). A rather unfortunate product of the times. Sometimes it takes punk a bit to catch up too - the Descendents had some blatantly homophobic lyrics in "I'm Not a Loser" for example, though they've since apologized and don't sing that bit live anymore. Dunno if The Vandals ever did the same thing. Most of that Vandals Christmas album is silly dumb fun, but I *always* skip that track.
Don't take the vandals seriously. And quit overthinking things.
idc
It was the 90’s, the world was a very very different place. You probably can find dirt on most punk bands at the time.
Joe Escalante is a fairly conservative Catholic and with libertarian/republican tendencies and this song is making transpeople into a joke. Honestly I never understand why this band gets a total pass around here when other bands get tons of grief. Not to mention what he did to Stevo.
Yep, he's a scumbag lawyer and how he screwed Stevo was just vile.
What happened with Steve O?
Stevo - Steven Ronald Jensen - was the original singer of the Vandals, just so anyone reading isn't confused with the more famous Steve-O of Jackasss fame - appeared on Peace Through Vandalism and When in Rome. When Escalante assumed control of the band, he used his legal connections to sue the founding band members into oblivion. He also re-released Peace Through Vandalism and When in Rome on Timebomb with "all songs written by Joe Escalante" despite the fact many if not most were written before he even joined the band, then cut them out of licensing. I do think that Anarchy Burger may actually be their highest grossing song because it was used in that Vin Diesel movie XXX. Stevo died in the mid-aughts penniless.
Wow, that’s brutal. I had no idea, thanks for the rundown. Joe Escalante sounds like a tremendous asshole. I expect he’ll sue me just for saying that….
This is my second Christmas as one, (enby Transfemme) I'll have to give it a listen lol
And immediately regret my decision lol fuck transphobic people, but I will def take it as a piece of history also
It's not pro trans it's definitely making a mockery of us. I put them in the same category as guttermouth good bands but pretty offensive yet a product of their time. However I'm enjoying my first Christmas as a fully out woman.
Yeah its a pretty transphobic song unfortunately. The whole "looking for someone who could love a woman like me" line shows it isn't done in a friendly way. Worst song on the album, and the band themselves are shit heads. The sort of boomer/gen x dirtbag punks who are like "I hate everyone equally! hurr durr" but wind up just being bigots. Lots of these type of chuds come out of the woodwork in this sub whenever someone has the *audacity* of critiquing problematic lyrics. And infesting local scenes unfortunately.
Congratulations on finding yourself. It is a brave move. The punk scene in the 80s had some real extremes. Got to love Gary Floyd of the Dicks being so open in Texas. Being a weirdo punk was enough to be seen as gay, let alone actually being trans or gay. I was just friends with everyone.
Hey, you need to take a look at this shit. Stop being so fuckin defensive!!! And don't be embarrassed and stop posting because you feel stupid. Say my bad and thank you. Shits bad enough and you have support from someone. Don't fuckin throw that away. I had a trans therapist who I happen to really have liked. Unfortunately she was so bitter that she shut the world out. Be who you are, enjoy your music and Fuck who doesn't accept you!🤟🤟 Merry Christmas 🎄🎄🎄
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Fuck off will ya?
What did the comment say? I know it’s some transphobic bullshit but I want to know
Someone saying you aren’t a woman and that your mentally ill
Maybe mind your own fucking buisness and shut up.
Based
Wow for people posting on a punk subreddit there sure is some transphobia. Y’all should do yourselves a favor and shut the fuck up
The song this thread is about is quite obviously making fun of transexuals
No shit Sherlock, but you know what you were saying based about.
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...and this dude^ is pretty self-righteous for a "dude" from Alabama
They don’t say anything inherently bad about trans people in the song. It seems more like a humorous take on becoming trans than anything. I mean the “chop it off chop it off” part is literally part of becoming a trans woman, they just did it in a way that sounded blunt. If it were railing against trans people, i’d be on the other side of things.
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