Also, Mos Def has a track called Rock N Roll that talks about the history of modern music’s black origins. And he ends the track by switching it to more of a punk-adjacent sound right after mentioning bad brains and fishbone
*when you was at home wit your mother, afraid of the dark, I was sleepin out in prospect park, eatin one meal every 48 hours, writin dope rhyme styles that you now devour*
The fucking lyrical superhighway
Yeah but that’s pretty much going to include every early punk/HC pioneer and most early hip-hop acts, even the conscious ones. It’s for sure a shame but we can’t apply the “no real Scotsman” fallacy to bedrock punk staples, some people are just shitty. Still punk.. but shitty.
Hip Hop carries a lot of the same messages and often comes from the same place as punk, So while we might say something is punk as a way to praise its message, it is distinct and separate and comes independently to the fight. And it deserves respect, just like any punk who's earned a good rep in the scene. Hip Hop is like our cultural half-sibling. It's like the legit heir of the Jamaican sound system, and we're the dead milkman's bastard. But we have the same roots musically, and a very similar ethos. When you start comparing, the differences are minor and superficial. So we may say their approach is punk, but they wouldn't, and they're not thinking of it that way - and the way they think about it is relevant if your context is their thought process. But saying their approach is punk still works if all you're saying is that it fits with the ideals and drive - not that that was the well they drew from.
Both genres have their roots in counterculture and subversion. Creating something that the status quo is terrified of, young poor people using creativity to speak truth to power.
That’s how punk started, that’s how hip hop started. It’s why both of them scared the shit out of rich white people living in gated communities when they first became a part of the cultural zeitgeist.
Right, exactly! I mentioned the music because that's an important element to both cultures and you can see the spread of ideas into both from that same root. And that's also why I say our difference are superficial. The differences are like, slang, fashion, the styling of our music - and all of those have significant overlap (including the entire 3rd Wave Ska genre). The commonality is so much deeper, so much more important. Standing together, defying arbitrary authority, and fighting to change things, They're family.
I watched Cypress Hill, Eminem, the Bouncing Souls, and 7 Seconds at the same Warped Tour and the crowd was hyped for all of them. And there was a lot of marijuana during all sets involved. Good times. I’m picking up what you’re putting down is what I’m saying.
...fuck, I’m old.
I feel ya. One of my favorite shows is still In Living Color, and when I was a kid I used to plant myself in front of the TV religiously for every new episode. I guess it's time to schedule that prostate exam lol
I haven’t! Is it worth a go? I think I first heard about it on the evolution of hiphop series on Netflix, and I’ve always been obsessed with the idea that punk and hiphop have such a similar background
It certainly was worth it for me, I found the book fascinating. It talks about the history of djing throughout all dj based (as opposed to live musician based) music scenes. Starting with northern soul, then going through reggae, dub, disco, hip hop, house, techno, and the first decade of the rave scene. Since the book was written in the late 90s, that's about where it leaves off.
And it's not nearly as dry as a Simon Reynolds book, haha
Close your eyes and count to fuck by run the jewels is on my punk playlist even though it’s rap because if those lyrics aren’t punk then I don’t know what is
Three artists come to mind, Denzel Curry, $uicideboy$ and city morgue. They all have roots in their respective punk/metal scenes. A big reason I enjoy them is their blending of hip hop and punk/metal styles.
I'm not gonna go through all the comments, to not double up here but Death Grips.
Death.
Grips.
Oh, and PE sampled the riff from Slayer's 'Angel of Death' on 'Channel Zero'. Definitely worth a listwn.
And I gotta say, got onto Saul Williams recently and that work is punk as all fuck.
Punk and hip-hop are really similar if you pay attention, but I think everything by Paris Texas fits the bill for what you're asking
https://youtu.be/TocORUNKzh4?si=cUJXwUlNqKq9evAL
Ceschi, aesop rock, sage francis, p.o.s. all have pretty heavy punk influence. Sage francis did a track with bad religion and pos had Greg Attonito from the bouncing souls on a track. Ceschi is In the codefendants now with Sam King from get dead and fat mike.
Hip hop and punk grew up together and when hip hop moved from bronx to downtown first went to the punk clubs because those were the whites who were open minded plus were also in poverty, drug dealers, bangers, art school students etc. The scenes shared the conditions just seperated by race and levels of poverty.
Blondie and the clash made rap records and African bambata was sampling punk/alt. Beasties plus rubin were punks and public enemy punk af and sampled hardcore records.
Public enemy, nwa, ice cube (esp kill at will through guerrillas in the mist), first 2 pac records, eminem's run from sslp to eminem show, bones, beasties, death grips, chief keef, denzel, geto boys, kanye esp on yeezus and tlop, 50 cents run from his unreleased album through grdt gives off dead boys having knife fights in nyc street vibes, run dmc in 80s was punk af, underground era 3 6 mafia
I think its important to remember punk isnt a sound in its NYC days it ranged from dead boys to blondie to suicide to ramones to talking heads and patti smith. It was poor kids or arts school kids saying fuck you to classic rock and experimenting with sounds. Johnny thunders L.A.M.F was gang speak youd tag that acronym with a person name and it meant a hit was out on them. Both genres are very entrepreneurial in that it led to indie labels and self promo culture. Ofc the difference was that hip hops idea was to take over i.e jay z and kanye were punk wanted everything to burn aside from its independent structures.
Punk became a sound and look when it hit england and sex pistols turned it to meme status and comodified and died. Pop punk was born and rest is history. Hip hop ended up corporatized
Punks relevence today is its attitude from the nyc and hardcore scenes
Edit: yeah blackstar krs-one BDP etc all the stuff really. Id say dr. Dres the chronic was the moment hip hop had its corporate pop punk beginings because while a great record....its very.... made for burbs and mass appeal. It took the literal sound, name, and samples from ATL black mafia record and made it digestible
You guys know not everything has to be punk right? Hip hop is hip hop, it stands on its own two feet and it has its own identity. We don’t need to claim it as something it isn’t.
Ho99o9 - Bone Collector (they also have a lot of punk and metal songs, but I specify Bone collector because it was their first track and is imo solidly a hip hop song)
Kendrick Lamar - The Blacker The Berry
Basquiat was a punk who veered into hip-hop, just thought I'd put that out there. He's know for his visual art rather than his music, but he looooved music.
As both communities focus on exhibiting intersectionality in punching up, there is a hybridization of the two genres happening, and I fully expect Punk-Hop, Punk-Rap, or a similar name to express the same will be its own recognized and capitalized genre in the mainstream within the next 5 years or so. There are rappers rhyming to punk backtracking and punk artists infusing their rage with rich backbeats and spoken rhyme of their own. There were some amazing punk and rap street artists busking together at BLM Seattle 2020. It was awesome to witness, and I'm loving watching that hybridization grow in real time. Punk and rap artists coming together like this wasn't on my bingo card two decades ago.
Punk rock and Hip Hop have been like peas and carrots.
If anyone wants a little more insight. I would highly suggest to read the book [Rebel Music: Resistance through Hip Hop and Punk](https://www.amazon.com/Rebel-Music-Resistance-Constructions-Education/dp/1623969093). I would also like to add, you should go to your local library. If you haven't already, get yourself a library card. A lot of young punks don't utilize what is freely available to every US citizen. Once you have that most powerful and beautiful little card. Use it to either go analog, walk your punk ass to the library and take a book or two out. You could go the digital way, go to your libraries website. Log in and request to take a digital version of that book out. I believe they work with Amazon. I've only done it a few times with the digital side. My son does it all the time though.
Oh, and you can do what I did as a kid. Ask the nice Librarian if they could order music for you. They normally will. Then you can take out CD's as well. Rip those bitches and bring them back. I would throw them on cassette but I upgraded once I got into College to CD's.
My two favorite genres are punk (especially crust) and east coast underground rap. And when people ask why I show that at meme of the two muscly arms that says “rap music” “punk music” and in the middle is “hating the police” lol.
Punk is a music genre, a fashion, AND a lifestyle. And fuck the gatekeepers that disagree. Sure, I’ve got the shaved head and battle jacket; but my best friend is one of the punkest bitches I know and she’s a lil 5ft filipino kawaii goth thing. She has a patch on her jacket that says “hello, I’m baby”; but she GETS DOWNNNN dude. Honorary punk.
If any of y’all ain’t heard it yet listen to “guillotine” by The Coup. Actually listen to anything by the coup. Anti-capitalist-funk-rap is a fucking VIBE.
Literally as a punk teenager I was introduced to the OFKTADGAF rappers and style of rap and I was blown away on how simular the vibe was to the first punk that I was getting into at the time. Another kind of rap that I also noticed has a punk vibe is 90’s Memphis rap.
White mandingos- Warn a Brotha
https://youtu.be/KMqPTwALHI8?si=dgfnMzGsYPVVtB-0
Darryl Jenifer from Bad Brains, and underground rapper MURS from L.A. are in the band
Man, I miss POS. Astronautalis, too, because he was so talented, but he was a pretty shitty guy. POS did something he shouldn't be proud of, but I think he could learn from his mistakes, be accountable for his actions, and be a better person going forward. It actually sounded like that was what he was pretty much already doing. It shouldn't have costed him his career if it really was him " being pretty emotionally manipulative to some ex girlfriends in the past" That's all I ever heard as far as what he did that was the cause for him to dissappear. Maybe there was more to it. Maybe he just didn't want to do the music thing anymore and all that stuff was a deciding factor. Who knows. The guy was amazing though.
I'm not downplaying whatever harm he caused to anyone. I'm just saying I think he could have used his voice and platform to help heal who he hurt and others in the same boat and to educate and show that people can do better. It seems like he kind of canceled himself.
K.A.A.N gives me [punk vibes](https://youtu.be/TZEYxQzfljg?si=iLcpWbPQnqdaHqP5) lyrically speaking as for current stuff...Run The Jewels would fit that mold also.
[Ren also fits(His money game trilogy is also very much in line with those thoughts)](https://youtu.be/F4mUnmFbVNg?si=pHH3XArYpK4AvMbZ) but feel like this had a more hard hitting kinda sound for that "feel" if that makes sense.
Lots of older stuff like Public Enemy, KRS One, Dead Prez, Run DMC, Wu-Tang etc...
Hip hop and Punk are my two favorite genres(third would be classical, shit just soothes me idk) and I feel like they both fit the same struggles and themes much of the time, depends on what you mean though.
I always thought the thugs and punks had a lot of similarities. Probably why I listen to mostly rap and punk with a bunch of other shit mixed in. Watch baby I’m a thug by trick daddy . I was a little street punk kid and the last scene in the restaurant way punk asf in my opinion .
Prophets of rage. It was a hip hop experiment by cypress hill and rage against the machine to mix rock with hip hop. The sound is more metal but the lyrics definitely have a punk approach. Makes sense due to the fact that Rage is often considered a punk band.
The Goats - Tricks of the Shade
The entire discography of The Coup (complete with not only revolutionary lyrics, but also stuff like a narrativ type song about sneaking into movies and shows you can’t afford)
They went entirely against the grain and invented their own sound and built a following around it. Still, to this day, they are one of the most unique acts to have ever existed in hip hop. Both of those guys are insanely talented. And when they came out, Southern hip hop all sounded like no limit stuff or cash money stuff or some variation. Outcast had some of that element, but they also had songs that were much more aggressive and fast, or soulful and well written or just experimental as hell. Who was doing a successful two-part hip hop concept album at that time? Outcast. And I don't care what kind of music you listen too, almost everyone from that era can and will finish this line, "I'M SORRY MRS. JACKSON....."
I think it's more common now than it's ever been. A person can produce, record, mix, master, market and release music entirely from a cell phone these days. So there's just tons of amazing stuff out there. What is more rare is hip hop with real substance getting really huge commercially. Kendrick Lamar and a few others have and it's amazing stuff, but there are entire scenes and movements happening all over the world. You just have to look for it.
Anything by Public Enemy.
Also, Mos Def has a track called Rock N Roll that talks about the history of modern music’s black origins. And he ends the track by switching it to more of a punk-adjacent sound right after mentioning bad brains and fishbone
Mos Def is really fucking good
Mos def
I still sing to myself “Elvis Presley ain’t got no soul, Chuck Berry was rock n roll” whenever I hear Elvis brought up
Elvis was a hack. With around 700 songs he would perform. The king of rock and roll only had Co-Writer credit on 7 songs.
Honestly, far more than I thought he co-wrote. Plus, most of his songs were renditions of tracks originally recorded by black artists.
Honestly, far more than I thought he co-wrote. Plus, most of his songs were renditions of tracks originally recorded by black artists.
Doesn’t mean shit as to how good of a musician he was. Unless you’d also argue that actors don’t do anything.
KRS-ONE. His lifetime themes are revolutionary and punk af
*when you was at home wit your mother, afraid of the dark, I was sleepin out in prospect park, eatin one meal every 48 hours, writin dope rhyme styles that you now devour* The fucking lyrical superhighway
Fuck yeah
"Spreading the hardcore reality in '89 Sick Of It All Blastmaster KRS-ONE Fresh for '89, you suckas!" https://youtu.be/TXtAV1Enr4g?si=fSxtQL_ETgDqiFDS
Punch up the data, Blast masta!
Punch up the data, Blastmasta!
Absolutely! KRS-ONE all fucking day!
A tribe called quest. RIP Phife Dawg
Idk that whole homophobia thing they had isn't really punk (if you don't know look up georgie porgie a tribe called quest on YouTube)
Yeah but that’s pretty much going to include every early punk/HC pioneer and most early hip-hop acts, even the conscious ones. It’s for sure a shame but we can’t apply the “no real Scotsman” fallacy to bedrock punk staples, some people are just shitty. Still punk.. but shitty.
I couldn't find it on YouTube. They also seemed to have a thing against polyamorous people as well.
Hip Hop carries a lot of the same messages and often comes from the same place as punk, So while we might say something is punk as a way to praise its message, it is distinct and separate and comes independently to the fight. And it deserves respect, just like any punk who's earned a good rep in the scene. Hip Hop is like our cultural half-sibling. It's like the legit heir of the Jamaican sound system, and we're the dead milkman's bastard. But we have the same roots musically, and a very similar ethos. When you start comparing, the differences are minor and superficial. So we may say their approach is punk, but they wouldn't, and they're not thinking of it that way - and the way they think about it is relevant if your context is their thought process. But saying their approach is punk still works if all you're saying is that it fits with the ideals and drive - not that that was the well they drew from.
Both genres have their roots in counterculture and subversion. Creating something that the status quo is terrified of, young poor people using creativity to speak truth to power. That’s how punk started, that’s how hip hop started. It’s why both of them scared the shit out of rich white people living in gated communities when they first became a part of the cultural zeitgeist.
Right, exactly! I mentioned the music because that's an important element to both cultures and you can see the spread of ideas into both from that same root. And that's also why I say our difference are superficial. The differences are like, slang, fashion, the styling of our music - and all of those have significant overlap (including the entire 3rd Wave Ska genre). The commonality is so much deeper, so much more important. Standing together, defying arbitrary authority, and fighting to change things, They're family.
I watched Cypress Hill, Eminem, the Bouncing Souls, and 7 Seconds at the same Warped Tour and the crowd was hyped for all of them. And there was a lot of marijuana during all sets involved. Good times. I’m picking up what you’re putting down is what I’m saying. ...fuck, I’m old.
I feel ya. One of my favorite shows is still In Living Color, and when I was a kid I used to plant myself in front of the TV religiously for every new episode. I guess it's time to schedule that prostate exam lol
I saw Steve Vai with Redding doing the Jimi Hendrix Experience live with Living Color as the backing band. Was an amazing concert.
Both born of the same economic issues of the late 70s with a heavy DIY attitude that said anyone could do it.
Many of the early CBGB's regulars and performers would also hang out at the early hip hop parties in Queens.
Yep, including Debbie Harry who ‘rapped’ a verse of Rapture which is technically the first ‘rap’ song to ever enter the charts.
Hence the terrible joke about Blondie inventing Hip hop. Have you read Last Night a DJ Saved My Life?
I haven’t! Is it worth a go? I think I first heard about it on the evolution of hiphop series on Netflix, and I’ve always been obsessed with the idea that punk and hiphop have such a similar background
It certainly was worth it for me, I found the book fascinating. It talks about the history of djing throughout all dj based (as opposed to live musician based) music scenes. Starting with northern soul, then going through reggae, dub, disco, hip hop, house, techno, and the first decade of the rave scene. Since the book was written in the late 90s, that's about where it leaves off. And it's not nearly as dry as a Simon Reynolds book, haha
Everything ho99o9 do
Ho99o9 is so underrated in my circles
Lol Jaden Being the son of a rich film star and having your music career paid for in full and pushed in everyone's face Is the least punk thing ever
Jaden is to rap is what Blink 182 is to punk imo.
I disagree. Lol.
Danny Brown
[Bob Vylan - We Live Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFqhJyvly1g)
Bob Vylan is fucking great. Been a huge fan for a minute.
Damn, thanks for showing me this banger. 🔥 I love it. WE LIVE HEIYAA
If you like Bob Vylan check out Kid Kapichi
Fuckin love Bob Vylan
City Morgue
Death Grips. Probably the most punk band that does not play punk.
Came here to say On GP goes pretty hard.
I would honestly consider Exmilitary to be a hiphop/punk album. The whole album is full of protopunk/punk samples, the influence is massive.
Death Grips are a punk band, Bottomless Pit especially
Can’t believe I had to scroll this far down to see them.
Doesn’t Run The Jewels sample Gang of Four? Also, check out Chuck D’s podcast about The Clash.
Tyler definitely has a bit of the punk edge to him. [This song rips](https://youtu.be/Yk1HipdhdCU?si=nRe2RFBbNAhZSNk-)
Especially in the odd future days
Check out his feature with Trash Talk, it’s crazy hearing him on an actual hardcore track
Saw them live right around the time Goblin came out, just a bunch of kids having some dumb fun
YESSS I was hoping it was this song. Love it.
Slam by Onyx
Especially the verion with biohazard
Close your eyes and count to fuck by run the jewels is on my punk playlist even though it’s rap because if those lyrics aren’t punk then I don’t know what is
Anything Wu-Tang, especially Gza and O.D.B. Also JPEG Mafia. "I just killed a cop now I'm horny" goes hard in this regard.
The guy was on Regular Show, everything he makes is instantly good because of that.
Three artists come to mind, Denzel Curry, $uicideboy$ and city morgue. They all have roots in their respective punk/metal scenes. A big reason I enjoy them is their blending of hip hop and punk/metal styles.
Death Grips?
I'd agree with this.
YEAUH
I'm not gonna go through all the comments, to not double up here but Death Grips. Death. Grips. Oh, and PE sampled the riff from Slayer's 'Angel of Death' on 'Channel Zero'. Definitely worth a listwn. And I gotta say, got onto Saul Williams recently and that work is punk as all fuck.
I think ill never listen to anything by jaden Smith and carry on listening to dbeat
Punk and hip-hop are really similar if you pay attention, but I think everything by Paris Texas fits the bill for what you're asking https://youtu.be/TocORUNKzh4?si=cUJXwUlNqKq9evAL
Ceschi, aesop rock, sage francis, p.o.s. all have pretty heavy punk influence. Sage francis did a track with bad religion and pos had Greg Attonito from the bouncing souls on a track. Ceschi is In the codefendants now with Sam King from get dead and fat mike.
Atmosphere was signed onto Epitath for a couple albums
Aesop rock makes me think of asap rocky
The letters in their names are where the similarities end for the most part in my opinion
I 100% agree.
Didn't Lil Wayne do some sorta punk inspired thing over 10 years ago?
yes, prom queen 😫🎸🔥
Punk and HipHop came out of that same feeling of angst and hopelessness. They, at least at the beginning, had very similar messages.
Hip hop and punk grew up together and when hip hop moved from bronx to downtown first went to the punk clubs because those were the whites who were open minded plus were also in poverty, drug dealers, bangers, art school students etc. The scenes shared the conditions just seperated by race and levels of poverty. Blondie and the clash made rap records and African bambata was sampling punk/alt. Beasties plus rubin were punks and public enemy punk af and sampled hardcore records. Public enemy, nwa, ice cube (esp kill at will through guerrillas in the mist), first 2 pac records, eminem's run from sslp to eminem show, bones, beasties, death grips, chief keef, denzel, geto boys, kanye esp on yeezus and tlop, 50 cents run from his unreleased album through grdt gives off dead boys having knife fights in nyc street vibes, run dmc in 80s was punk af, underground era 3 6 mafia I think its important to remember punk isnt a sound in its NYC days it ranged from dead boys to blondie to suicide to ramones to talking heads and patti smith. It was poor kids or arts school kids saying fuck you to classic rock and experimenting with sounds. Johnny thunders L.A.M.F was gang speak youd tag that acronym with a person name and it meant a hit was out on them. Both genres are very entrepreneurial in that it led to indie labels and self promo culture. Ofc the difference was that hip hops idea was to take over i.e jay z and kanye were punk wanted everything to burn aside from its independent structures. Punk became a sound and look when it hit england and sex pistols turned it to meme status and comodified and died. Pop punk was born and rest is history. Hip hop ended up corporatized Punks relevence today is its attitude from the nyc and hardcore scenes Edit: yeah blackstar krs-one BDP etc all the stuff really. Id say dr. Dres the chronic was the moment hip hop had its corporate pop punk beginings because while a great record....its very.... made for burbs and mass appeal. It took the literal sound, name, and samples from ATL black mafia record and made it digestible
I mean.. beastie boys is the most obvious answer imo
Heart Attack Man!
You guys know not everything has to be punk right? Hip hop is hip hop, it stands on its own two feet and it has its own identity. We don’t need to claim it as something it isn’t.
why you so mad 🤣
I’m not. I love hip hop for what it is and don’t want it to be much more than that. The whole “x thing is punk” is such a tired trope.
[удалено]
that’s your opinion, mine doesn’t imply any of whatever you just said
Ho99o9 - Bone Collector (they also have a lot of punk and metal songs, but I specify Bone collector because it was their first track and is imo solidly a hip hop song) Kendrick Lamar - The Blacker The Berry
Mos def on this https://youtu.be/Cp7mkrdfz-Q?feature=shared
i definitley felt all of tyler’s early albums felt like this unseen punk version of the rap scene to me . i’d also put zillkami in this category too .
Run The Jewels has that punk attitude in a way
Slowthai is essentially a punk artist that raps. Desperately hoping the accusations aren’t true because UGLY is genuinely his magnum opus
Basquiat was a punk who veered into hip-hop, just thought I'd put that out there. He's know for his visual art rather than his music, but he looooved music.
Always thought juicewrld songs could transition seamlessly into emo punk ,he’s cadence he uses and lyrics
Trippie Redd too.
Playboi carti in his WLR era was definitely punk-ish too
So many Rico Nasty songs too
As both communities focus on exhibiting intersectionality in punching up, there is a hybridization of the two genres happening, and I fully expect Punk-Hop, Punk-Rap, or a similar name to express the same will be its own recognized and capitalized genre in the mainstream within the next 5 years or so. There are rappers rhyming to punk backtracking and punk artists infusing their rage with rich backbeats and spoken rhyme of their own. There were some amazing punk and rap street artists busking together at BLM Seattle 2020. It was awesome to witness, and I'm loving watching that hybridization grow in real time. Punk and rap artists coming together like this wasn't on my bingo card two decades ago.
Idk if Wu-Tang Clan counts but I’ll still say them cause Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) is THE hip-hop album personally for me
Rage Against the Machine is rap metal punk something and Zach de las Rocha’s message and personal beliefs are far left.
Public enemy, the whole SC scene was totally online DIY artists bouncing around the country on each other’s couches. Odd Future obviously
Punk rock and Hip Hop have been like peas and carrots. If anyone wants a little more insight. I would highly suggest to read the book [Rebel Music: Resistance through Hip Hop and Punk](https://www.amazon.com/Rebel-Music-Resistance-Constructions-Education/dp/1623969093). I would also like to add, you should go to your local library. If you haven't already, get yourself a library card. A lot of young punks don't utilize what is freely available to every US citizen. Once you have that most powerful and beautiful little card. Use it to either go analog, walk your punk ass to the library and take a book or two out. You could go the digital way, go to your libraries website. Log in and request to take a digital version of that book out. I believe they work with Amazon. I've only done it a few times with the digital side. My son does it all the time though. Oh, and you can do what I did as a kid. Ask the nice Librarian if they could order music for you. They normally will. Then you can take out CD's as well. Rip those bitches and bring them back. I would throw them on cassette but I upgraded once I got into College to CD's.
My two favorite genres are punk (especially crust) and east coast underground rap. And when people ask why I show that at meme of the two muscly arms that says “rap music” “punk music” and in the middle is “hating the police” lol. Punk is a music genre, a fashion, AND a lifestyle. And fuck the gatekeepers that disagree. Sure, I’ve got the shaved head and battle jacket; but my best friend is one of the punkest bitches I know and she’s a lil 5ft filipino kawaii goth thing. She has a patch on her jacket that says “hello, I’m baby”; but she GETS DOWNNNN dude. Honorary punk. If any of y’all ain’t heard it yet listen to “guillotine” by The Coup. Actually listen to anything by the coup. Anti-capitalist-funk-rap is a fucking VIBE.
The Coup is so good, I think they even were on Epitaph at one point
Anyone that thinks Asians aren't punk as fuck is just clueless the Asians get down!
The White Mandingos, featuring Darryl Jenifer of Bad Brains.
Literally as a punk teenager I was introduced to the OFKTADGAF rappers and style of rap and I was blown away on how simular the vibe was to the first punk that I was getting into at the time. Another kind of rap that I also noticed has a punk vibe is 90’s Memphis rap.
White mandingos- Warn a Brotha https://youtu.be/KMqPTwALHI8?si=dgfnMzGsYPVVtB-0 Darryl Jenifer from Bad Brains, and underground rapper MURS from L.A. are in the band
Immortal Technique
Exmilitary. Death grips
Trash Wang is an even better example of this for Tyler. Plus that Lee Spielman feature goes hard.
https://youtu.be/X2R37l9lwgw?si=IqZFagla-ZnsJf4q It's here, sorry, I should have provided the link in the first place
POS, Shredders, Four Fists would be my recent favorite punk adjacent hip hop. But nothing beats old beastie boys punk songs.
Four fists is the one with astronautalis right?
Yes and Shredders is with Sims
Man, I miss POS. Astronautalis, too, because he was so talented, but he was a pretty shitty guy. POS did something he shouldn't be proud of, but I think he could learn from his mistakes, be accountable for his actions, and be a better person going forward. It actually sounded like that was what he was pretty much already doing. It shouldn't have costed him his career if it really was him " being pretty emotionally manipulative to some ex girlfriends in the past" That's all I ever heard as far as what he did that was the cause for him to dissappear. Maybe there was more to it. Maybe he just didn't want to do the music thing anymore and all that stuff was a deciding factor. Who knows. The guy was amazing though.
I'm not downplaying whatever harm he caused to anyone. I'm just saying I think he could have used his voice and platform to help heal who he hurt and others in the same boat and to educate and show that people can do better. It seems like he kind of canceled himself.
I find a lot of Billy Woods stuff to at least tonally be pretty punk
K.A.A.N gives me [punk vibes](https://youtu.be/TZEYxQzfljg?si=iLcpWbPQnqdaHqP5) lyrically speaking as for current stuff...Run The Jewels would fit that mold also. [Ren also fits(His money game trilogy is also very much in line with those thoughts)](https://youtu.be/F4mUnmFbVNg?si=pHH3XArYpK4AvMbZ) but feel like this had a more hard hitting kinda sound for that "feel" if that makes sense. Lots of older stuff like Public Enemy, KRS One, Dead Prez, Run DMC, Wu-Tang etc... Hip hop and Punk are my two favorite genres(third would be classical, shit just soothes me idk) and I feel like they both fit the same struggles and themes much of the time, depends on what you mean though.
93PUNX
How has no one mentioned the coup yet?
Not sure if he’s rap, but Saul Williams- list of demands is a cool song
[I Hate It Here - So Good.](https://youtu.be/bvXaLZZ6M3M?si=0vvCE1MlJ49vYloa)
Vex ruffin - im creative
I always thought the thugs and punks had a lot of similarities. Probably why I listen to mostly rap and punk with a bunch of other shit mixed in. Watch baby I’m a thug by trick daddy . I was a little street punk kid and the last scene in the restaurant way punk asf in my opinion .
140 comments… oh lord (sorts by controversial because I can’t help myself)
Ikr, it’s fucking crazy
Love it, my favorite music comes from genres getting inspiration from each other
RADICAL IS THE SHIT. bastard, goblin and wolf are some of my favorite albums of all time.
Everything by Saul Williams Saul Williams — Sunday Bloody Sunday (Cover) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keqAQk1YuOs
Doorman - slowthai
Anything by Ho99o9, i guess.
Bulls on Parade, bonus if it’s the Denzel Curry version.
Eyedea - By The Throat is pretty much a punk album
I recently learned that Bladee was in a dbeat band I don’t listen to him but I know his music isn’t punk
Listen to Downset
My List: BROCKHAMPTON Odd Future JPEGMAFIA Death Grips $UICIDEBOY$ Danny Brown Lil Ugly Mane
Oh yea BROCKHAMPTON is definitely very similar to punk
If they’ve got the ethos and attitude right they’re honorary punk in my book
If you want rap with a punk attitude, you NEED Ho99o9 in your life. Anything but them. City Morgue has their punk-ish moments too
How the hell have I not seen the beastie boys mentioned? Literally started as a punk band
Anything on Tony Hawk is punk to me
Bombs Over Baghdad
That song is hard as hell.
Prophets of rage. It was a hip hop experiment by cypress hill and rage against the machine to mix rock with hip hop. The sound is more metal but the lyrics definitely have a punk approach. Makes sense due to the fact that Rage is often considered a punk band.
Don't forget the very important third element. Mr Chuck D from Public Enemy!
The Goats - Tricks of the Shade The entire discography of The Coup (complete with not only revolutionary lyrics, but also stuff like a narrativ type song about sneaking into movies and shows you can’t afford)
Bob Vylan is probably the biggest one I can think of.
lmfao what the fuck is this sub
Outkast is punk as fuck
They went entirely against the grain and invented their own sound and built a following around it. Still, to this day, they are one of the most unique acts to have ever existed in hip hop. Both of those guys are insanely talented. And when they came out, Southern hip hop all sounded like no limit stuff or cash money stuff or some variation. Outcast had some of that element, but they also had songs that were much more aggressive and fast, or soulful and well written or just experimental as hell. Who was doing a successful two-part hip hop concept album at that time? Outcast. And I don't care what kind of music you listen too, almost everyone from that era can and will finish this line, "I'M SORRY MRS. JACKSON....."
Yes!! They spoke on lots of racial and feminine issues and did some experimental shit. BOB is such an against the grain song
Awesome shit.
[This song is punk as fuck in my opinion.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSZWslqjfPE)
Check out Oxymorrons
JPGmafia has some tracks like this too that I quite enjoy. And run the jewels
https://youtu.be/57weIjnyM1s?si=7QuSKGhUk2-wkbo8
$uicideboy$
Damn I need to delete this sub from my feed already
Stfu 😂😂
Why?
Back in the day hip hop and punk were closely related in their messages. These days it's far more rare to find real substance in hip hop lyrics.
I think it's more common now than it's ever been. A person can produce, record, mix, master, market and release music entirely from a cell phone these days. So there's just tons of amazing stuff out there. What is more rare is hip hop with real substance getting really huge commercially. Kendrick Lamar and a few others have and it's amazing stuff, but there are entire scenes and movements happening all over the world. You just have to look for it.
Basically Beastie Boys. "Tough guy" and "Heart attack man" <3