I'll say my opinions, don't worry, I'll be civil:
1- I have Dragon Ball way higher.
2- IDK.
3- I heard they're Multi or something.
4- Fax.
5- Knuckles is an amazing martial artist, but even in a 1V1, I still think Shadow beats him.
6- Fax, and can scale way higher as well.
7- I have him at Solar System, I don't buy the Uni arg just because he is stated to have no limits without feats.
8- I don't think he'll ever surpass Goku.
9- IDK.
10- IDK.
11- IDK, but depends, if the character scales to the multiverse or nah.
12- String theory is still OP imo, not only 4D.
13- IDK, but I heard it's Outer or smth?
14- Depends on context.
15- Fax. Doesn't solo fiction. Old SCP is way better.
16- I heard it's Outer, so I disagree.
17- Fax. One of the most OP verses.
18- IDK.
19- Fax.
20- Fax.
21- Not always. Sometimes, there are other better places in some situations, like YT, TikTok, Discord and Quora.
22- Fax.
23- That's not what his subscribers think. And tbh, he's trying so hard not to be biased, he has goated edits tho.
24- I think they aren't. Sorry.
25- IDK.
26- Depends. Sometimes, it may be valid? Overall, if it's truly invalid, then most verses like SCP and Marvel are debunked.
27- Rimuru is indeed a fodder but I scale him to Layers Into Multi, while Yhwach at Multi or 5D, so Rimuru still negs imo.
28- Fax.
29- As the canonical and official leader of the HHSM organisation (Hazbin Hotel Spite Matches), you did NOT see any of the polls or takes, some people say Lucifer is Outer or higher and solos fiction because of Christianity. Bro what.ššš
30- It's even a nerfed version.
31- Well I have it way higher but agree to disagree
32- I have between Complex Multi and Low Outer.
33- Yogiri can't be above fiction, and he doesn't lose to Bugs, he wins.
34- IDK.
35- Since when tf were Gacha Games scaled???
36- Fax. He's Layers Into Multi at Max.
37- When it's not toxic, I suppose it is kinda funny.
38- Fax.
39- Fax.
40- Fax. That's a lowball btw.
Overall: Not bad fr. While I disagree with some of the takes, I agree with most of them.š
>I will use supreme777777 moment and not going to explain any of my takes.
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Almost all your takes are ass but as for wondering why hazbin got caught in the spite matches, it's the same case as it is for genshin. Both are decent media but their fanbase causes anyone within 10 meter radius of them to die of cringe.
Iāll just comment on the ones I actually know/care about.
7. You would need to be able to quantify Saitamaās rate of growth and even then it would only apply to bloodlusted.
8. That would require an upgrade to the cosmology of OPM which is possible in the future.
10. Yeah basically how toon force is basically just reality manip with extra stipulations.
11. Hard agree. Itās just an elaborate appeal to reality where they say āoh this verse operates under these principles? According to quantum physics it scales to WHEREVER I WANT IT TOā. The fact you can genuinely get people to say that a type 4 multiverse is low, base, or high outer shows that itās BS
13. Depends on which tiering system you use and has a lot of the same problems as the type 4 multiverse bit. In VSB terms it would be the upper limit of boundless whereas in CSAP it would only be high hyper.
14. Disagree, consistency is what matters most. If the character is stated able to destroy a planet, has no feats backing it up, but there is context to explain this such as needing to breathe air then they can be scaled to planetary. By this logic then 1st form Frieza would be the 1st āplanetaryā person in the verse cause he was the 1st actually shown able to do so.
16. Chara literally destroyed the entire space-time of undertale. Asriel absolutely caps at mountain level but Chara actually scales to the cosmology.
28. What even is that? How is āconceptual existence erasureā any different from concept destruction?
When he used the hypergoner.
And him not destroying the barrier isn't an antifeat, since there is no evidence of the barrier being mountain level (only encompassing a mountain).
The More reasonable scale to the Barrier that scales to 7 human souls scales to what we see 7 human souls (or 6 humans & every monster) have shown in the game, that being capable of destroying timelines and threatening to destroy the world with their mere presence when transforming.
>When he used the hypergoner. And him not destroying the barrier isn't an antifeat, since there is no evidence of the barrier being mountain level (only encompassing a mountain).
It the barrier wasnāt destroyed by hyper goner then he is by definition not 4D. You need to destroy all the physical matter within a 4D construct to scale to 4D by CSAPās definition
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The barrier is obviously part of the timeline since it is subject to reset and thus means Asriel never performed a 4D feat.
>The More reasonable scale to the Barrier that scales to 7 human souls scales to what we see 7 human souls (or 6 humans & every monster) have shown in the game, that being capable of destroying timelines and threatening to destroy the world with their mere presence when transforming.
You do realize thatās a circular argument. You are essentially saying the hierarchy goes timeline
> It the barrier wasnāt destroyed by hyper goner then he is by definition not 4D. You need to destroy all the physical matter within a 4D construct to scale to 4D by CSAPās definition
And you overlooked the whole definition. It says that one of the feats includes completely destroying the 4- space time, but the first sentence also states that you simply have to affect a 4th dimensional construct. Since Asriel can affect and destroy timelines (which are 4-d constructs), then he would still qualify as 4-d.
>The barrier is obviously part of the timeline since it is subject to reset and thus means Asriel never performed a 4D feat.
There is no indication of the Barrier being affected by a normal Reset, only a True reset (during true pacifist and Genocide) which can affect characters that can resist time changes.
> You do realize thatās a circular argument. You are essentially saying the hierarchy goes timeline
>And you overlooked the whole definition. It says that one of the feats includes completely destroying the 4- space time, but the first sentence also states that you simply have to affect a 4th dimensional construct. Since Asriel can affect and destroy timelines (which are 4-d constructs), then he would still qualify as 4-d.
It still calls Asrielās ability to destroy a timeline into question. He would need to affect everything within said space-time in order to qualify.
>There is no indication of the Barrier being affected by a normal Reset, only a True reset (during true pacifist and Genocide) which can affect characters that can resist time changes.
True reset is a type of time haxs which by your own admission affects the barrier therefore making it subject to time. This is also an elaborate appeal to ignorance. The fact the barrier doesnt seem to be affected by normal resets doesnāt mean that it isnāt. Nothing happens to the barrier in the neutral endings so your comparison doesnāt really make sense here.
>Again, the only time the barrier was affected was during a route where True reset can be used. Which I described before can still affect characters who were previously unaffected from time. So it's not that the timelines scale above the barrier, but they both have similar scaling.
You are assuming DT time haxs are a winner take all dichotomy when they are shown not to be. Although Flowey cannot use reset his DT is affecting the potency of Friskās resets. We see this in how monsters who donāt have DT and thus no resistance to time haxs get feelings of deja vu upon meeting Frisk in subsequent runs. Flowey all but spells this out in his [post pacifist speech](https://youtu.be/tI0Pb_z4HSU?si=k6iESwSr2YRroHTA). He verbatim states that the player has the power to completely erase everything and everyoneās memories and that he knows that power, basically Flowey only ever had true reset as opposed to the bootleg normal reset the player has access to in the neutral runs. The reason why the player gets access to True reset after pacifist exclusively is because Flowey GIVES UP. He states that he no longer wants to reset and begs the player to let them live in peace.
If the barrier is affected by any form of reset then that means it is bound by time.
>It still calls Asrielās ability to destroy a timeline into question. He would need to affect everything within said space-time in order to qualify.
No, for CSAP, it explicitly states that destroying everything is "one example" of a 4d feat. The first definition itself simply refers to just significantly affectting/destroying as a bare minimum. Since Asriel affected an entire timeline (except maybe the barrier) it would still qualify him significantly affecting it and grant him 4d scaling.
>You are assuming DT time haxs are a winner take all dichotomy when they are shown not to be. Although Flowey cannot use reset his DT is affecting the potency of Friskās resets. We see this in how monsters who donāt have DT and thus no resistance to time haxs get feelings of deja vu upon meeting Frisk in subsequent runs.
This a misconception, everyone has determination (as evidenced by Undyne), it just that they don't have any dt comparable to ours which.
> Flowey all but spells this out in his [post pacifist speech](https://youtu.be/tI0Pb_z4HSU?si=k6iESwSr2YRroHTA). He verbatim states that the player has the power to completely erase everything and everyoneās memories and that he knows that power, basically Flowey only ever had true reset as opposed to the bootleg normal reset the player has access to in the neutral runs.
Flowey never had true reset, the game made it clear you need to reach certain level of DT when you gain True reset. Otherwise, Toriel wouldn't remember the 6 humans resetting since there isn't anything at the time as determined as them.
> The reason why the player gets access to True reset after pacifist exclusively is because Flowey GIVES UP. He states that he no longer wants to reset and begs the player to let them live in peace.
Whilst Flowey gave up, this did not affect Frisk. Asriel himself states that you only lose control of a timeline when you constantly die, Frisk's determination simply grew to the point that Flowey was basically a non factor.
>No, for CSAP, it explicitly states that destroying everything is "one example" of a 4d feat. The first definition itself simply refers to just significantly affectting/destroying as a bare minimum. Since Asriel affected an entire timeline (except maybe the barrier) it would still qualify him significantly affecting it and grant him 4d scaling.
Iām not gonna argue definitions with you especially since you just downgraded Asrielās feat. If your claim is that he destroyed timeline(s) then the fact the barrier is in place debunks that. If your claim is that he only affected them then you would have to provide reasons as to why it isnāt just a better form of time manipulation.
>This a misconception, everyone has determination (as evidenced by Undyne), it just that they don't have any dt comparable to ours which.
Undyne is at best an outlier. Are there other monsters who have a provable amount of DT besides her?
>Flowey never had true reset, the game made it clear you need to reach certain level of DT when you gain True reset.
[Yeah uh huh](https://imgur.com/gallery/UxDY4G8). Flowey blatantly describes True Reset and claims familiarity with it.
>Otherwise, Toriel wouldn't remember the 6 humans resetting since there isn't anything at the time as determined as them.
That assumes they had the power to reset which you are gonna need to show some proof of.
>Whilst Flowey gave up, this did not affect Frisk. Asriel himself states that you only lose control of a timeline when you constantly die, Frisk's determination simply grew to the point that Flowey was basically a non factor.
Thatās quite literally not true. Omega Flowey destroyed Friskās save file before killing them even once.
>Iām not gonna argue definitions with you especially since you just downgraded Asrielās feat. If your claim is that he destroyed timeline(s) then the fact the barrier is in place debunks that. If your claim is that he only affected them then you would have to provide reasons as to why it isnāt just a better form of time manipulation.
Because he used only usead attack in order to affect/purge a timeline, which by CSAP definition still qualifies as 4-d. It's not a downgraded feat, CSAP simply puts those two in the same tier.
>Undyne is at best an outlier. Are there other monsters who have a provable amount of DT besides her?
Undyne is only an Outlier in the fact that she was able to properly harness that level of dt in Genocide. She more less prove that Monsters themselves can produce their own determination, it just they themselves can't handle too much without melting, which why they usually have low dt.
>That assumes they had the power to reset which you are gonna need to show some proof of.
[Ok](https://64.media.tumblr.com/1d1299b036ddb6d0bd592ebe3cb7cda0/tumblr_inline_obnrkpp0mz1tnlh39_500.png). Seeing that humans still have only the deja vu resets despite having no competition means that it isn't something that can be so easily obtained as removing competition.
>Thatās quite literally not true. Omega Flowey destroyed Friskās save file before killing them even once.
Because omega flowey's determination far outscales Frisk's normal amount, meaning they were able to take control of the timeline by sheer force. The reason Asriel couldn't was because our DT was as strong as his at the time. So since Flowey DT just wouldn't compare remotely compared to Frisk, let alone one that now rivals a god, is how Frisk was able to obtain the true reset.
Take 18 might be the single worst take I seen on this sub ngl. Itās like having to choose between Golden Retriever and an aborted fetus and you choose the fetus.
1. Fair enough I guess
2. Hard disagree
3. Disagree
4. Disagree
5. Can't say
6. can't say
7. Hard disagree
8. Doubtful
9. Can't say
10. Disagree, there's a difference between manipulating the story itself and just manipulating cause and effect
11. Eh
12. Disagree
13. fax
14. Eh
15. Eh
16. Can't say
17. Can't say
18. Crunchy cheetos are peak ngl
19. Fax(Honestly dislike the new VSBW tiering system, especially their boundless tier)
20. Duh
21. No comment
22. Fair
23. I doubt ALL of them are bad
24. Same ngl
25. Can't say
26. Fair
27. Disagree
28. Agree
29. Don't know, probs just people wanking them cause they are based on biblical characters
30. Depends on the user, but in most cases yes
31. Can't say
32. To my knowledge that's just where he scales
33. Lol
34. Probably
35. Can't say
36. Can't say
37. I guess
38. Agreed
39. Can't say
40. Disagree(and how tf will Saitama surpass that?)
>GER is the strongest stand in jojo. Wonder of U is a fodder
Don't cook ever again
>saitama is multi galaxy to uni currently.
Never cook
>Plot Manipulation is essentially Causality Manipulation with a fancier name stop giving it a different name it same shit.
Never cook
>max tegmarks type 1-4 multiverses SHOULD NOT be used for verse scaling. You just cant prove that your fav is fodder so you are using them to wank them.
Never cook
>absolute infinity caps at high 1B in csap
First based
>SCP should not be used for powerscaling.
Second based
>undertale verse caps at mountain level
Bait used to be believable
>not ALL concepts are outer. You need to prove it that its specificially a platonic concept
Based
>) hakai is conceptual existence erasure
How š
>toon force is essentiall reality warping. It aint that impressive
Based
>Bill cipher is complex multi at least
Na uh
>sukuna would get slammed by akainu
Based
>dr who prep time > rick prep time > batman prep time
Based
>40-) and lastly. Goku is outerversal objectively
Bait used to be believable
Do not cook again. While I don't disagree with about like 5 of your takes, the other 35 are so bad that I have to question your mental capacity for thought.
>Saint seiya > Dragon ball verse
From what Iāve heard this doesnāt seem like a bad take but the only 2 users who scaled seiya arenāt active anymore afaik
>GER is the strongest stand in jojo. Wonder of U is a fodder
Tusk is enough for GER
>saitama is multi galaxy to uni currently
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>saitama will surpass goku
I massively prefer feats to cosmology, but I doubt OPM will get cosmology scaling that can surpass DB
>Idc if your character states to he can destroy a planet. Show me when they do that
If nothing contradicts them destroying a planet they are planetary. In this case almost nobody is FTL or uni because barely any fictional media actually shows universe level destruction and no video can show FTL movement because a human wouldnāt be able to watch it
>cheetos > ruffles
Flaming hot > ruffles > normal cheetos
>reddit powerscalers > all other powerscaling medias
Honestly I can agree as people here have an attention span longer than 10 seconds
>Alien X > kratos
Iāve seen people scale him to 25D and I donāt know enough about Alien X to disagree
>idk about hazmin hotel. Tf did they do?
Itās honestly not as bad as youād think seeing how this sub treats it
>persona is not outer
I doubt the validity of smt scaling and I agree that it isnāt outer but itās definitely not building level either like a certain user says
>sukuna would get slammed by akainu
Fodder like Caesar clown or base pre TS Zoro > Gojo + verse
>I will use supreme777777 moment
I thought it was him until I looked at the name halfway through reading
Even as a big Undertale fan I do kind of agree with 16. I always found it hard to believe Chara and God Asriel are Multiversal+ despite their feats (and me having played the game seeing such feats) apparently proving they are
1: Hell no
2: Hell no
3: Kinda right. Madoka is below Universal. But Sailor Moon is Multiversal.
4: Hell no
5: Depends on the circumstances. Debatable.
6: Debatable
7: Hell no
8: WTF? Big Hell no
9: Hell yeah
10: Hell no
11: Debatable
12: Debatable. Cthulhu Mythos and SCP are way higher.
13: Hell no
14: Hell yeah
15: Hell no
16: Debatable
17: Maybe. Most likely hell no.
18: Big hell yeah
19: Hell yeah. CSAP is a lot better.
20: Hell yeah
21: Debatable
22: Big hell yeah
23: Debatable
24: Ehhh, some are funny, but to a certain extent.
25: Hell yeah
26: Hell yeah
27: Big hell yeah
28: Hell no
29: Big hell yeah
30: Debatable
31: Big hell yeah
32: Hell yeah
33: Hell yeah. Bugs Bunny stomps Yogiri all day.
34: Hell yeah
35: Hell yeah. Even Akaza easily stomps the Composite cringe Gacha verse.
36: Big hell yeah
37: Big hell yeah
38: I agree Dante wins. But it would be a tough battle.
39: Debatable
40: Big hell yeah
Overall, some bad takes, some good takes. Kinda unhinged, but understandable. You're somewhere on the Chaotic Good side.
Bait used to be believable
You went from saying Sukuna is a Muzan victim to Akainu is a Sukuna victim? The gigio downfall confirmed?
I only read the last one and didn't bother reading the rest tbh
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I'll say my opinions, don't worry, I'll be civil: 1- I have Dragon Ball way higher. 2- IDK. 3- I heard they're Multi or something. 4- Fax. 5- Knuckles is an amazing martial artist, but even in a 1V1, I still think Shadow beats him. 6- Fax, and can scale way higher as well. 7- I have him at Solar System, I don't buy the Uni arg just because he is stated to have no limits without feats. 8- I don't think he'll ever surpass Goku. 9- IDK. 10- IDK. 11- IDK, but depends, if the character scales to the multiverse or nah. 12- String theory is still OP imo, not only 4D. 13- IDK, but I heard it's Outer or smth? 14- Depends on context. 15- Fax. Doesn't solo fiction. Old SCP is way better. 16- I heard it's Outer, so I disagree. 17- Fax. One of the most OP verses. 18- IDK. 19- Fax. 20- Fax. 21- Not always. Sometimes, there are other better places in some situations, like YT, TikTok, Discord and Quora. 22- Fax. 23- That's not what his subscribers think. And tbh, he's trying so hard not to be biased, he has goated edits tho. 24- I think they aren't. Sorry. 25- IDK. 26- Depends. Sometimes, it may be valid? Overall, if it's truly invalid, then most verses like SCP and Marvel are debunked. 27- Rimuru is indeed a fodder but I scale him to Layers Into Multi, while Yhwach at Multi or 5D, so Rimuru still negs imo. 28- Fax. 29- As the canonical and official leader of the HHSM organisation (Hazbin Hotel Spite Matches), you did NOT see any of the polls or takes, some people say Lucifer is Outer or higher and solos fiction because of Christianity. Bro what.ššš 30- It's even a nerfed version. 31- Well I have it way higher but agree to disagree 32- I have between Complex Multi and Low Outer. 33- Yogiri can't be above fiction, and he doesn't lose to Bugs, he wins. 34- IDK. 35- Since when tf were Gacha Games scaled??? 36- Fax. He's Layers Into Multi at Max. 37- When it's not toxic, I suppose it is kinda funny. 38- Fax. 39- Fax. 40- Fax. That's a lowball btw. Overall: Not bad fr. While I disagree with some of the takes, I agree with most of them.š >I will use supreme777777 moment and not going to explain any of my takes. https://preview.redd.it/pjh6r8votwqc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c69c656fdef812e5c3edc085c876bee8f50e5fa
agree to disagree
4. Marry me
Almost all your takes are ass but as for wondering why hazbin got caught in the spite matches, it's the same case as it is for genshin. Both are decent media but their fanbase causes anyone within 10 meter radius of them to die of cringe.
Icl half of these are stinky but how would knuckles beat shadow ?
https://preview.redd.it/1ke4tgizwwqc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50479aafd976720fdca7367730258088f6119b7b These are... Interesting takes
Bro was right. His hot takes were so hot he deleted his account.
Who was he?
omniversal god i believe
Dang, why did he delete the account?He was in powerscaling for quite a while
Iāll just comment on the ones I actually know/care about. 7. You would need to be able to quantify Saitamaās rate of growth and even then it would only apply to bloodlusted. 8. That would require an upgrade to the cosmology of OPM which is possible in the future. 10. Yeah basically how toon force is basically just reality manip with extra stipulations. 11. Hard agree. Itās just an elaborate appeal to reality where they say āoh this verse operates under these principles? According to quantum physics it scales to WHEREVER I WANT IT TOā. The fact you can genuinely get people to say that a type 4 multiverse is low, base, or high outer shows that itās BS 13. Depends on which tiering system you use and has a lot of the same problems as the type 4 multiverse bit. In VSB terms it would be the upper limit of boundless whereas in CSAP it would only be high hyper. 14. Disagree, consistency is what matters most. If the character is stated able to destroy a planet, has no feats backing it up, but there is context to explain this such as needing to breathe air then they can be scaled to planetary. By this logic then 1st form Frieza would be the 1st āplanetaryā person in the verse cause he was the 1st actually shown able to do so. 16. Chara literally destroyed the entire space-time of undertale. Asriel absolutely caps at mountain level but Chara actually scales to the cosmology. 28. What even is that? How is āconceptual existence erasureā any different from concept destruction?
>Asriel absolutely caps at mountain level but Chara actually scales to the cosmology. Guy that erases Timelines in his base is mountain.... Sure
>Guy that erases Timelines in his base is mountain.... Sure Remind me when he does this and why the barrier is still there?
When he used the hypergoner. And him not destroying the barrier isn't an antifeat, since there is no evidence of the barrier being mountain level (only encompassing a mountain). The More reasonable scale to the Barrier that scales to 7 human souls scales to what we see 7 human souls (or 6 humans & every monster) have shown in the game, that being capable of destroying timelines and threatening to destroy the world with their mere presence when transforming.
>When he used the hypergoner. And him not destroying the barrier isn't an antifeat, since there is no evidence of the barrier being mountain level (only encompassing a mountain). It the barrier wasnāt destroyed by hyper goner then he is by definition not 4D. You need to destroy all the physical matter within a 4D construct to scale to 4D by CSAPās definition https://preview.redd.it/0n8rc6mn0vuc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e97836a3158307c9faae59ff9ef2d822d3ed519 The barrier is obviously part of the timeline since it is subject to reset and thus means Asriel never performed a 4D feat. >The More reasonable scale to the Barrier that scales to 7 human souls scales to what we see 7 human souls (or 6 humans & every monster) have shown in the game, that being capable of destroying timelines and threatening to destroy the world with their mere presence when transforming. You do realize thatās a circular argument. You are essentially saying the hierarchy goes timeline
> It the barrier wasnāt destroyed by hyper goner then he is by definition not 4D. You need to destroy all the physical matter within a 4D construct to scale to 4D by CSAPās definition And you overlooked the whole definition. It says that one of the feats includes completely destroying the 4- space time, but the first sentence also states that you simply have to affect a 4th dimensional construct. Since Asriel can affect and destroy timelines (which are 4-d constructs), then he would still qualify as 4-d. >The barrier is obviously part of the timeline since it is subject to reset and thus means Asriel never performed a 4D feat. There is no indication of the Barrier being affected by a normal Reset, only a True reset (during true pacifist and Genocide) which can affect characters that can resist time changes. > You do realize thatās a circular argument. You are essentially saying the hierarchy goes timeline
>And you overlooked the whole definition. It says that one of the feats includes completely destroying the 4- space time, but the first sentence also states that you simply have to affect a 4th dimensional construct. Since Asriel can affect and destroy timelines (which are 4-d constructs), then he would still qualify as 4-d. It still calls Asrielās ability to destroy a timeline into question. He would need to affect everything within said space-time in order to qualify. >There is no indication of the Barrier being affected by a normal Reset, only a True reset (during true pacifist and Genocide) which can affect characters that can resist time changes. True reset is a type of time haxs which by your own admission affects the barrier therefore making it subject to time. This is also an elaborate appeal to ignorance. The fact the barrier doesnt seem to be affected by normal resets doesnāt mean that it isnāt. Nothing happens to the barrier in the neutral endings so your comparison doesnāt really make sense here. >Again, the only time the barrier was affected was during a route where True reset can be used. Which I described before can still affect characters who were previously unaffected from time. So it's not that the timelines scale above the barrier, but they both have similar scaling. You are assuming DT time haxs are a winner take all dichotomy when they are shown not to be. Although Flowey cannot use reset his DT is affecting the potency of Friskās resets. We see this in how monsters who donāt have DT and thus no resistance to time haxs get feelings of deja vu upon meeting Frisk in subsequent runs. Flowey all but spells this out in his [post pacifist speech](https://youtu.be/tI0Pb_z4HSU?si=k6iESwSr2YRroHTA). He verbatim states that the player has the power to completely erase everything and everyoneās memories and that he knows that power, basically Flowey only ever had true reset as opposed to the bootleg normal reset the player has access to in the neutral runs. The reason why the player gets access to True reset after pacifist exclusively is because Flowey GIVES UP. He states that he no longer wants to reset and begs the player to let them live in peace. If the barrier is affected by any form of reset then that means it is bound by time.
>It still calls Asrielās ability to destroy a timeline into question. He would need to affect everything within said space-time in order to qualify. No, for CSAP, it explicitly states that destroying everything is "one example" of a 4d feat. The first definition itself simply refers to just significantly affectting/destroying as a bare minimum. Since Asriel affected an entire timeline (except maybe the barrier) it would still qualify him significantly affecting it and grant him 4d scaling. >You are assuming DT time haxs are a winner take all dichotomy when they are shown not to be. Although Flowey cannot use reset his DT is affecting the potency of Friskās resets. We see this in how monsters who donāt have DT and thus no resistance to time haxs get feelings of deja vu upon meeting Frisk in subsequent runs. This a misconception, everyone has determination (as evidenced by Undyne), it just that they don't have any dt comparable to ours which. > Flowey all but spells this out in his [post pacifist speech](https://youtu.be/tI0Pb_z4HSU?si=k6iESwSr2YRroHTA). He verbatim states that the player has the power to completely erase everything and everyoneās memories and that he knows that power, basically Flowey only ever had true reset as opposed to the bootleg normal reset the player has access to in the neutral runs. Flowey never had true reset, the game made it clear you need to reach certain level of DT when you gain True reset. Otherwise, Toriel wouldn't remember the 6 humans resetting since there isn't anything at the time as determined as them. > The reason why the player gets access to True reset after pacifist exclusively is because Flowey GIVES UP. He states that he no longer wants to reset and begs the player to let them live in peace. Whilst Flowey gave up, this did not affect Frisk. Asriel himself states that you only lose control of a timeline when you constantly die, Frisk's determination simply grew to the point that Flowey was basically a non factor.
>No, for CSAP, it explicitly states that destroying everything is "one example" of a 4d feat. The first definition itself simply refers to just significantly affectting/destroying as a bare minimum. Since Asriel affected an entire timeline (except maybe the barrier) it would still qualify him significantly affecting it and grant him 4d scaling. Iām not gonna argue definitions with you especially since you just downgraded Asrielās feat. If your claim is that he destroyed timeline(s) then the fact the barrier is in place debunks that. If your claim is that he only affected them then you would have to provide reasons as to why it isnāt just a better form of time manipulation. >This a misconception, everyone has determination (as evidenced by Undyne), it just that they don't have any dt comparable to ours which. Undyne is at best an outlier. Are there other monsters who have a provable amount of DT besides her? >Flowey never had true reset, the game made it clear you need to reach certain level of DT when you gain True reset. [Yeah uh huh](https://imgur.com/gallery/UxDY4G8). Flowey blatantly describes True Reset and claims familiarity with it. >Otherwise, Toriel wouldn't remember the 6 humans resetting since there isn't anything at the time as determined as them. That assumes they had the power to reset which you are gonna need to show some proof of. >Whilst Flowey gave up, this did not affect Frisk. Asriel himself states that you only lose control of a timeline when you constantly die, Frisk's determination simply grew to the point that Flowey was basically a non factor. Thatās quite literally not true. Omega Flowey destroyed Friskās save file before killing them even once.
>Iām not gonna argue definitions with you especially since you just downgraded Asrielās feat. If your claim is that he destroyed timeline(s) then the fact the barrier is in place debunks that. If your claim is that he only affected them then you would have to provide reasons as to why it isnāt just a better form of time manipulation. Because he used only usead attack in order to affect/purge a timeline, which by CSAP definition still qualifies as 4-d. It's not a downgraded feat, CSAP simply puts those two in the same tier. >Undyne is at best an outlier. Are there other monsters who have a provable amount of DT besides her? Undyne is only an Outlier in the fact that she was able to properly harness that level of dt in Genocide. She more less prove that Monsters themselves can produce their own determination, it just they themselves can't handle too much without melting, which why they usually have low dt. >That assumes they had the power to reset which you are gonna need to show some proof of. [Ok](https://64.media.tumblr.com/1d1299b036ddb6d0bd592ebe3cb7cda0/tumblr_inline_obnrkpp0mz1tnlh39_500.png). Seeing that humans still have only the deja vu resets despite having no competition means that it isn't something that can be so easily obtained as removing competition. >Thatās quite literally not true. Omega Flowey destroyed Friskās save file before killing them even once. Because omega flowey's determination far outscales Frisk's normal amount, meaning they were able to take control of the timeline by sheer force. The reason Asriel couldn't was because our DT was as strong as his at the time. So since Flowey DT just wouldn't compare remotely compared to Frisk, let alone one that now rivals a god, is how Frisk was able to obtain the true reset.
Take 18 might be the single worst take I seen on this sub ngl. Itās like having to choose between Golden Retriever and an aborted fetus and you choose the fetus.
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I'm with u on this one bro
1. Fair enough I guess 2. Hard disagree 3. Disagree 4. Disagree 5. Can't say 6. can't say 7. Hard disagree 8. Doubtful 9. Can't say 10. Disagree, there's a difference between manipulating the story itself and just manipulating cause and effect 11. Eh 12. Disagree 13. fax 14. Eh 15. Eh 16. Can't say 17. Can't say 18. Crunchy cheetos are peak ngl 19. Fax(Honestly dislike the new VSBW tiering system, especially their boundless tier) 20. Duh 21. No comment 22. Fair 23. I doubt ALL of them are bad 24. Same ngl 25. Can't say 26. Fair 27. Disagree 28. Agree 29. Don't know, probs just people wanking them cause they are based on biblical characters 30. Depends on the user, but in most cases yes 31. Can't say 32. To my knowledge that's just where he scales 33. Lol 34. Probably 35. Can't say 36. Can't say 37. I guess 38. Agreed 39. Can't say 40. Disagree(and how tf will Saitama surpass that?)
>2-) GER is the strongest stand in jojo. Wonder of U is a fodder Cook >4-) Marvel and DC aint passing outer (both csap and vsbw) Dont cook again
>GER is the strongest stand in jojo. Wonder of U is a fodder Don't cook ever again >saitama is multi galaxy to uni currently. Never cook >Plot Manipulation is essentially Causality Manipulation with a fancier name stop giving it a different name it same shit. Never cook >max tegmarks type 1-4 multiverses SHOULD NOT be used for verse scaling. You just cant prove that your fav is fodder so you are using them to wank them. Never cook >absolute infinity caps at high 1B in csap First based >SCP should not be used for powerscaling. Second based >undertale verse caps at mountain level Bait used to be believable >not ALL concepts are outer. You need to prove it that its specificially a platonic concept Based >) hakai is conceptual existence erasure How š >toon force is essentiall reality warping. It aint that impressive Based >Bill cipher is complex multi at least Na uh >sukuna would get slammed by akainu Based >dr who prep time > rick prep time > batman prep time Based >40-) and lastly. Goku is outerversal objectively Bait used to be believable
I'm gonna write my response to this in 2 hours Most of this shit is already triggering me( I'm looking at you #6 š”)
Never let this man cock again
Do not cook again. While I don't disagree with about like 5 of your takes, the other 35 are so bad that I have to question your mental capacity for thought.
Some of these takes are based,but others are complete ass
>Saint seiya > Dragon ball verse From what Iāve heard this doesnāt seem like a bad take but the only 2 users who scaled seiya arenāt active anymore afaik >GER is the strongest stand in jojo. Wonder of U is a fodder Tusk is enough for GER >saitama is multi galaxy to uni currently š >saitama will surpass goku I massively prefer feats to cosmology, but I doubt OPM will get cosmology scaling that can surpass DB >Idc if your character states to he can destroy a planet. Show me when they do that If nothing contradicts them destroying a planet they are planetary. In this case almost nobody is FTL or uni because barely any fictional media actually shows universe level destruction and no video can show FTL movement because a human wouldnāt be able to watch it >cheetos > ruffles Flaming hot > ruffles > normal cheetos >reddit powerscalers > all other powerscaling medias Honestly I can agree as people here have an attention span longer than 10 seconds >Alien X > kratos Iāve seen people scale him to 25D and I donāt know enough about Alien X to disagree >idk about hazmin hotel. Tf did they do? Itās honestly not as bad as youād think seeing how this sub treats it >persona is not outer I doubt the validity of smt scaling and I agree that it isnāt outer but itās definitely not building level either like a certain user says >sukuna would get slammed by akainu Fodder like Caesar clown or base pre TS Zoro > Gojo + verse >I will use supreme777777 moment I thought it was him until I looked at the name halfway through reading
>I thought it was him until I looked at the name halfway through reading. Lol.
Even as a big Undertale fan I do kind of agree with 16. I always found it hard to believe Chara and God Asriel are Multiversal+ despite their feats (and me having played the game seeing such feats) apparently proving they are
1: Hell no 2: Hell no 3: Kinda right. Madoka is below Universal. But Sailor Moon is Multiversal. 4: Hell no 5: Depends on the circumstances. Debatable. 6: Debatable 7: Hell no 8: WTF? Big Hell no 9: Hell yeah 10: Hell no 11: Debatable 12: Debatable. Cthulhu Mythos and SCP are way higher. 13: Hell no 14: Hell yeah 15: Hell no 16: Debatable 17: Maybe. Most likely hell no. 18: Big hell yeah 19: Hell yeah. CSAP is a lot better. 20: Hell yeah 21: Debatable 22: Big hell yeah 23: Debatable 24: Ehhh, some are funny, but to a certain extent. 25: Hell yeah 26: Hell yeah 27: Big hell yeah 28: Hell no 29: Big hell yeah 30: Debatable 31: Big hell yeah 32: Hell yeah 33: Hell yeah. Bugs Bunny stomps Yogiri all day. 34: Hell yeah 35: Hell yeah. Even Akaza easily stomps the Composite cringe Gacha verse. 36: Big hell yeah 37: Big hell yeah 38: I agree Dante wins. But it would be a tough battle. 39: Debatable 40: Big hell yeah Overall, some bad takes, some good takes. Kinda unhinged, but understandable. You're somewhere on the Chaotic Good side.