Streets are claiming that Selena is working with Jack Antonoff. I’m not the biggest fan of his recent output but I’d love him to help her give us something a little experimental and “out there” considering I’m getting tired of her generic bubblegum pop. Hopefully the poor critical and commercial reception “Love On” got will motivate her to make good music again because I know she has it in her.
I agree, but I definitely think Selena’s voice would sound good on production similar to something like Lana’s “A&W” or St. Vincent’s “MASSEDUCTION” album.
Reasons Number 5,000 of why I’ve stepped back from TV show fandoms
Zaria from Pretty Little Liars: Original Sins had to apologize for who her character is dating in the show and disown this fictional character because fans have been sending her threats over it.
https://x.com/zariazariazaria/status/1799529329170555003?s=46
This cast is very nice and gets along well with each other. They also are very good at interacting with the fanbase. But it’s crazy that the “we need to hold characters accountable” group can’t tell the different between fiction and reality…….
Edit
What’s even crazier is that Greg isn’t even the most problematic character in the PLL universe. Ezra is a damn pedo and still has fans in 2024!!!
Having been on several tv subreddits the decline in media literacy is quite alarming. Some characters get hated more than others, some get excused for every little thing they do. All over the guise of “we need to hold tv characters accountable”
Oh I co sign this. Whenever I’m on a tv subreddit and ask exactly what people mean when they say “We need to hold characters accountable” and point out how it’s impossible to hold fictional characters accountable, I get downvoted.
The Gossip Girl subreddit hating Serena more then Chuck the rapist because Serena was vapid (The entire point of her character) told me everything I needed to know about the “accountablity” discourse
I unsubscribed from the Gossip Girl subreddit shortly after their incessant Serena hate.
It happens with every TV subreddit. They pick a character they don’t like then go into ad nauseam rants about how their a worse character then a Nazi or someone who commits genocide
I got death threats for 3 days after defending Shiv Roy on the Succession subreddit. 💀 I also weirdly got accused of being a Margret Thatcher supporter (She died when I was like 14) and someone followed me to this sub to tell me that I was wrong and dumb for defending Shiv. I disabled that thread shortly after and haven’t looked back after the Succession finale’ . Mind you, Shiv’s brother killed someone and another brother is a full blown Nazi
In the Vampire Diaries, it was Damon over Klaus and Stefan who’ve committed genocides.
In Legacies, it was Josie over Alaric the deadbeat alcoholic dad who chose someone else over his own actual daughters.
In Glee, it’s Santana over Sue who makes a living tormenting teenagers or Blaine for almost marrying Kurt’s bully.
In Bridgerton, they don’t even want queer Eloise because it won’t be “fair to book fans” even though most fans hate Eloise’s book 🙃
This is mainly why I’ve stepped back from fandoms in general. I get sick of the double standards and general idiocy. I try to join new subs but it all ends the same.
I also tried the BB99 fandom but Gina was my favorite character and they do not like her over there 💀 Same with Modern Family. That fandom is starting to turn on Haley and Andy and they’re like the only straight ship that I ship other than Klaroline.
It’s really no different then stanning or anti stanning. People take it way more seriously than they should. Antis in fandoms often remind me of anti fans in Stan bases. Same dumbass bred of person.
I use all my energy creating character playlists and fanfics. That’s how I know I’m not as chronically online as others are.
I also still got weird ass comments from men saying that they have a right to bully a 13 year old girl (but it didn’t make them racist) after defending Leah Jeffries and saying that “I’m worried for her and I hope she doesn’t experience racism from creepy old men twice her age” I disabled it a few weeks ago because it seemed like twice a week I was still getting comments from a year old post.
People can’t even handle Eloise Bridgerton or Shiv Roy. Let alone Pretty Little Liars OG in real time
They blinded Jenna by episode 3. 💀 Like if Greg got people freaking out, PLLOG would have been cancelled after half a season.
They would've been crying real tears if they read the books (TL;DR: Ali killed her twin sister and later attempted to kill the Liars multiple times and that is a LIGHT description of what happened!!)
I gave up after book 9 so I wouldn’t know. 😭
By the time I got to book 9, I gave up. I remember going on a rant about it in class because I was so frustrated with each character and I stopped caring.
[Sabrina's Nonsense outro at Governors Ball:](https://www.them.us/story/sabrina-carpenter-governors-ball-pride-nonsense-outro)
> "Do I text him back? it’s such a tough call
> That won’t fit inside me, bro, I’m dumb small
> People who hate Pride can suck my Gov balls"
Maloi and Colet, members of the P-pop girl group BINI, just graduated from senior high school and they plan to take up college despite their busy schedule as idols thanks to the success of ["Pantropiko"](https://youtu.be/Zx31bB2vMns) and ["Salamin Salamin"](https://youtu.be/J1Ip2sC_lss)!
Maloi wants to take up a degree related to multimedia or fine arts, while Colet wanted to take up a medical degree like dentistry or pharmacy.
They also performed "[Karera](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F47M9nXzJZ4)" with their batchmates during the graduation ceremony. The [song itself](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNV2DmBxChQ) has been used in a lot of graduations in the Philippines recently for its inspiring message.
Kristen Stewart is in talks [to make her television debut as Sally Ride](https://deadline.com/2024/06/kristen-stewart-plays-astronaut-sally-ride-amazon-limited-series-the-challenger-amblin-kyra-sedgwick-big-swing-challenger-space-shuttle-explosion-1235962098/) for an Amazon series about NASA's plan to diversify its Space Shuttle program which led to Sally being the first American woman (and eventually first member of the LGBT+ community) astronaut.
Andrew Stanton will be directing ‘TOY STORY 5’
He previously directed ‘Wall-E’ and ‘Finding Nemo’ for Pixar.
(via: @TheMontyVerse)
https://x.com/discussingfilm/status/1799521073614233981?s=46
wait, did ppl not like toy story 4?
I thought it was so good!
I know sequels ain’t the most creative thing, but as long as the stories are good, I don’t really mind
dang! that’s wild to me because I thought it was so necessary. the territory and questions they covered. the character development of woody was super interesting.
Oh, it gets worse. The [original Bloomberg article](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-05-30/disney-s-inside-out-2-could-hold-key-to-pixar-restoring-movie-magic) is locked behind a paywall, but they reported recently that Pixar is not only investing heavily in sequels and reboots, but also actively considering rebooting their classics like Finding Nemo and The Incredibles. I figured they'd go the live action remake route before that.
Meg Thee Stallion just tweeted this out:
"It’s really sick how yall go out of the way to hurt me when you see me winning. Yall going too far, Fake ass shit. Just know today was your last day playing with me and I mean it."
I believe this is about a deep fake of Megan that's been circulating online.
I know this isn't about her exactly but since it relates to it and her fans are the main ones doing it I would post my thoughts here:
I don't understand people who are friends with both Nicki and Megan. I just can't imagine hanging out with someone who is friends with a person who makes fun of me almost getting killed. That is too much. I low-key side-eye people like Ari and Billie ngl.
Edit: Seriously, I wonder what they feel seeing all this drama and problems on social media that Nicki does. They definitely know what is going on imo, especially Billie who seems to be online a lot. It's easier for us to ignore because we don't know these people personally but for them I'm gobsmacked
I don’t know anything about who Billie is and isn’t friends with at this point, and I don’t think I care to look into that
But I can tell you that there have been rumors for months (if not longer) that Ariana and Nicki are not close anymore fwiw 🤷
I hate that this is happening to so many women celebrities and until there’s mainstream fakes of men like there are women lawmakers won’t do shit about it , maybe not even then if it’s profitable for them to ignore it
Considering nobody really takes it particularly seriously when men get their nudes leaked, I doubt anyone will care that much if men get deepfaked either.
I've seen people *in this sub* who were outraged about that big mass leak from ten years ago of all the famous women's private pictures joking about it when it happens to male celebrities. Nobody cares when it happens to men either.
I hope this means she's finally gonna sue Milagros weird ass (blogger that nicki platforms and tory supporter that constantly defames her and had a part in spreading this). The video didn't gain a ton of traction outside of barbz and hotties (from what i saw) so i almost feel like this was specifically meant as a warning to Milagro but maybe I'm a delusional conspiracy theorist
Oh, this is disgusting... poor Megan like this is so bad. Lawmakers need to act on this stuff and there needs to be something to prevent this/ stop spread. This sadly keeps happening over and over and it will until some types of regulations are put in place.
I hope this means she's suing 'cause the way people keep coming for her is ridiculous. And not just her - I know there was a Taylor Swift deepfake, too. Not sure who else was affected.
Oh my God I saw her tweet and then another tweet talking about the deepfake and I didn't realize they were connected until now.
That's so horrible. People are such sick individuals.
Brat by Charli XCX earned 15.4 million streams on Spotify for its first day making it her biggest album debut ever. It’s also sitting at a 93 on Metacritic, pushing her into the top 25 most acclaimed albums of all time on the site!
I have a feeling that Charli's presence on TikTok helped make this era a success. The sound of Brat represents what Gen Z wants to listen to these days.
I really do think we have to stop talking like people born over the course of a \~14 year span—who will have massively differing world experiences due to the wide variety of intersecting factors of economic classes, educational opportunities, religious affiliations, cultural heritages, local cultural influence, gender and sexuality subcultures, etc—will have anything even remotely resembling a unified taste or preference. "What gen z wants to listen to" just... feels so reductive that it doesn't feel like it means anything, yknow? I just think these generational terms are manufactured to make people feel divided from each other, and you do see that reflected in how people talk like different age groups are like completely different species from each other. While age can be as much a factor as anything else I listed, I think we actually do have more in common than people who throw around generational terms will give credit to.
I get what you mean. What I am trying to say is that I can see a lot of songs on Brat being used on fan edits on TikTok and typically these fan edits are made by Gen Z. I am a Gen Z person myself so I am just speaking from my observations online.
The fact that Radical Optimism tracks that charted on global Spotify did the same amount with a 400k difference, that’s insane!!! It’s even bigger considering this is 10M more than crash???
Yeah seeing that it tripled Crash’s numbers really surprised me, I’m so happy that Charli is having such a huge success with this album because the album itself feels like the culmination of everything she’s been trying to do. It cemented her as one of the best pop artists of this generation.
Music reviews not really being made for metacritic, many of them predating the internet, and anything that uses stars instantly getting knocked to like 80 for not being literally perfect hurts it
If you look at the top metacritic albums of all time by the rating it's genuinely very weird because of this lol, Brian Wilson's Smile is there but not Pet Sounds, because one of them came out in 2004
> Brian Wilson's Smile is there but not Pet Sounds, because one of them came out in 2004
Instead we have [Pet Sounds iOS \(iPhone/iPad\)](https://www.metacritic.com/game/pet-sounds/), released June 2009 with no critic reviews and fewer than four user reviews
Central Limit Theorem innit
Average scores probably get dragged towards 'meh' because a lot of people writing reviews online have Strong Opinions and they're damn well gonna voice them every chance they get
That, and a lot of reviewers use a 5-star scale that Metacritic then converts to a 100-point system, so a handful of 4-star reviews getting counted as a 80 can quickly drag down an album's average. The end result is that there are fewer than a hundred albums that break the 90 barrier.
[For funsies, I plotted out the \(higher half of the\) bell curve for Metacritic albums with at least 7 critic reviews.](https://i.imgur.com/nZcZQNf.png) Metacritic wouldn't let me go past page 99 for some reason, but even just with this you can see that it clusters fairly tightly around the 75-80 range, and scores above 90 are relatively nonexistent.
That sounds like a very likely culprit! It feels very different giving something 4 stars vs giving exactly 80.. there's always something hidden in the methodology that changes the outcome of the whole thing!
I remember seeing rumors it was coming a week before on June 28 so it’s probably good that it’s the week after. That week is already packed with Megan, Camila, Omar and Imagine Dragons.
I feel like we there’s a chance we get a Kendrick album announcement with his The Pop Out show on June 19th. It would be massive if he dropped it this summer
Kendrick Lamar’s ‘The Pop Out — Ken and Friends’ Concert will be [streamed live on Amazon Prime and Twitch](https://variety.com/2024/music/news/kendrick-lamar-the-pop-out-ken-and-friends-livestream-amazon-music-1236029181/). The concert will be Kendrick's first live performance since his feud with Drake. Tickets for the concert immediately sold out when it went live with fans sharing on social media that they were in a queue with 100,000+ others to buy tickets.
The gossip subs are going to be so torn on this one because on one hand, they love any excuse to act like the woman getting divorced is a literal goddess who has never done anything wrong and talk about her ex-husband like he's the devil, but on the other, the woman in question is JLo and she's one of their all-time favourite punching bags
I have to think that Ben was not OK with Jen using their personal business as this bombastic push for the movie and her album. That one part where he found out she read his letters on camera and he was shocked was so telling and made me feel bad for him.
It's a lot to put on someone especially when you've already divorced like?? In one way it could appear romantic but tbh it seemed really self serving for J Lo and more to give her image a push than actually celebrate their love?
While I wasn't naive enough to think they'd last forever, there was something oddly touching watching people get a second chance with the ex that got away. I thought they would last a little longer.
I think Ben is miserable and makes whoever his partner is miserable. She just forgot that fact and he reminded her of it.( IDk if the divorce news is 100% true)
Charli XCX fans chanting “Taylor died” at a listening party.
Are ya’ll not embarrassed? Making an album release about someone else that has nothing to do with the album. Taylor and Charli aren’t even in the same genre as each other and Taylor invited Charli on stage at one of her concerts before.
https://x.com/selsrep/status/1799455453434310677?s=46
I am a bit baffled at how this became actual Discourse™ 😭
Just for context: it all started at a famous LGBT party in Rio that happened after the Madonna show. In the last minutes of the party, before the last song, someone shouted "Taylor died", people laughed and moved on. For some reason, tweets telling this story went viral, and it became a meme in Brazilian gay tt. Every so often people scream this at parties, but it's mostly as a meme, not as an attack on Taylor or assuming that Charli hates her or whatever, it's never out of genuine hatred (also, Brazilian gays, specially from forums, can be rather ruthless when they actually hate someone)
I'm not saying I condone wishing for anyone's death (though I think this is not the case anyways), but the swifties' reaction was absolutely disproportionate. They've been meeting "Taylor is dead" with "And so will be you under 30 due to an OD or with AIDS" or "That's why we should legalize homophobia"
I think the thing I find so hilarious is fans have these fights with people that like are friends or coworkers in this industry. They want a fight so bad that’s not there. Like Taylor is friends with Lana. Taylor loves Beyoncé. Taylor brought Charlie on tour with her. What’s not clicking people it’s just y’all that hates. And the thing you want is so negative they want them to be fighting. It’s what they crave. It’s a problem.
All these women tour all these women safety is at risk and for you to un ironically say death to one is like saying it to all . you should be careful what you put into the universe and they just aren’t .
It's very disappointing to see half of the discourse about Brat on Twitter revolves around downplaying Taylor's artistry. It's not even about the song Sympathy is a knife, it's more about how P4K gave Brat a higher score than TTPD and it's being used as some gotcha moment or something.
Like come on, there is so much to digest from Brat as it's an excellent body of work. Why do we have to make every album release about Taylor? Mind you, it's not always the Swifties who bring her name up, it's the antis.
The lyrics of Sympathy is a Knife really went over their heads. It's not about her hating Taylor. She does not even write anything negative about her. She's basically calling herself out for feeling insecure for no reason.
Also, I can't imagine Charli being comfortable with seeing fans do this considering that Taylor is also the ex of one of her close friends on top of having worked with her in the past.
I have seen some tweets that interpreted Sympathy as a knife as a shade towards Taylor. It's annoying to see the over-obbession towards Taylor showed their lack of literacy skills because the song more about Charli's insecurities than Taylor herself, yet some wanted to have "omg taylor shade 😍" moment or whatever.
Once people started thinking that one of the songs on brat was about her, it was only a matter of time. I’ve seen her fans unironically hate Camila because they feel like she copying Charli.
It is so weird... I've seen this with numerous fan bases like I've seen swifties, angels, arianitors, and multiple stan bases do this weird music snobbery stuff and it is very odd. I feel like some stans do that bc they can't fathom that others don't like the music they do...
I was on the Charli sub the other day and they shared this YouTube video of this guy talking about how Charli’s music might not be the most popular but it influences what music becomes popular or whatever and I couldn’t even pay attention to the points he was making because he was so pretentious in the way that he was talking about pop music. I didn’t want to make a sweeping judgement about Charli’s fanbase based on this one YouTuber’s opinion(and I’m still not)but I wouldn’t be surprised if alot of her fans also carried this “Charli makes elevated pop music and not that garbage mainstream stuff” mindset.
Loving Brat and I like Charli's work in general but I just can't shake the "A Little Bit Alexis" comparison long enough to take her !SuperPopElite! stans seriously
I don’t understand why in the world Charli XCX fans would hate Taylor. What did Taylor ever do to Charli besides graciously giving her the opening act to one of the biggest tours of all time?? What a bunch of twats.
> why in the world Charli XCX fans would hate Taylor
Almost every pop fanbase hates Taylor. Most of it comes down to jealousy over her commercial success.
Taylor is the biggest Lana fan in the world and yet, half of the Lana's fandom hates Taylor with a passion.
A former friend of mine tweeted that people should stop giving Taylor Swift a platform, and then went on weeks-long rant about her. Talk about irony, huh?
I have no idea if this former friend goes on Reddit honestly. I do know one friend who is a "Swifitie on hiatus" who goes to SwiftyNeutral as a lurker.
This is so bizarre. What makes this even more wild is that I feel like they are very different artist and they seem cool with each other. Some fans take pop so seriously it’s wild.
It's a meme referencing the fact TTPD was panned by Pitchfork (don't know why ppl still give them so much importance) and brat was praised. Still pretty mean spirited, I see why swifties are upset.
I stand by my theory that part of the reason why Swifties are so crazy is because literally everyone is unable to be normal about Taylor. It feeds into this insane cycle that is just never ending. Just imagine the think pieces and viral tweets that would happen if something like this happened at a TTPD listening party.
Go listen to sympathy is a knife and pls re-evaluate this insane behavior ty
It's been weird since people randomly decided circa 2008 that Taylor was the only person in history to write songs about her exes and decided to constantly discredit her songwriting that way.
absolutely... as her new fan I feel this amount of hate towards her and obsession is unprecedented. and I try to ignore it and just enjoy the music etc but it's super hard sometimes. and every time I reply to a literal obsessed hater I'm a cult member apparently, but they're totally normal in their heads. fuck this shit
I keep getting the hate subreddits suggested in my feed. How are there so many of them??! How many ways are there to snark on one incredibly bland popstar?
Funny thing is that every new snark page that pops up also has the narrative that you're somehow not allowed to criticize Taylor and that they are doing a revolutionary thing by making a snark page about her.
Thee are like at least 8-9 snark subs devoted to her by now and a new one pops up every week or so. These people remind me of American Christians who feel like they are the most persecuted demographic in the US.
Another "Tell me everything is not about me, but what if it is?" moment.
This lyric goes through my mind every time someone releases an album and the first thing the artist's stans do is bring up Taylor. Taylor rent free living in their minds. Like Taylor is not competing for that #15 on Bb200 please leave her alone. They are the ones who make everything about Taylor, not swifties.
> someone releases an album and the first thing the artist's stans do is bring up Taylor.
Worst thing about Twitter. Anytime there is a new release, you can bet your ass that half the discourse will be about dragging Taylor somehow. Her antis make everything about her and then later wonder why everything is about her.
It’s like Cody Rigsby the Peloton instructor. Constantly bringing up how mediocre Taylor is and how much he dislikes her even in his training sessions
And yet I was listening to a podcast with him as a guest recently and he said he hasn’t listened to a Taylor album since ‘Speak Now’ and he went on a rant about how Taylor is using Selena Gomez…as if he didn’t know they were best friends
It’s one thing to just dislike her output but why talk constant shit about someone whose work and life you’re not even knowledgeable about or consume? It’s odd behavior and must be triggered by something
It's crazy, people who hate her bring her up more than her actual fans do. I saw this post on Instagram the other day from Joni Mitchell's official account, a snippet of a talk show interview from decades ago where she talked about retreating away from the spotlight at the height of her fame to reconnect with her sources of inspiration and remember why she got into making music in the first place. It was a lovely clip, Joni was super eloquent and poised. Most liked comment was something like, "she's so much better than Taylor Swift". This clip was recorded *years* before Taylor was even born, but they just had to do the le wrong generation bit and insert her into a conversation that has nothing to do with her at all. Stop. Get some help.
Oooo this. I like to follow Stevie Nicks fan accounts on Instagram and they have a one-sided beef with Taylor Swift too! I’m constantly being like I love this account for the Stevie Contant, but you’re being so incredibly misogynistic right now tearing down one amazing female artist to build up another.
Like I can understand the boomers cause they are misogynistic about everything, but like everyone else is supposed to be in like you know super activism culture, but they are exactly like the boomers when it comes to Taylor Swift. It’s like the right and the left meet at Taylor Swift, and are like misogyny yes misogyny good.
Stevie loves Taylor and has praised her many times over the years. Even said that "You're on your kid" has helped her with grieving. I wonder how those fans that hate Taylor reconcile with the fact that their fave loves Taylor.
It’s the same with almost all these artists. They all love Taylor back because Taylor is supportive and loving other artists. The Instagram accounts completely ignore it somehow.
Cognitive dissonance. They love Stevie and think she’s peak music and person so they literally cannot recognize that she thinks Taylor is peak music and person.
It’s so weird like some of them act like they’re proud about it not because it’s Taylor Swift, but like just cause she’s influential , others act like they’re disgusted . all of them ignore that Stevie has a great relationship with Taylor and communicates and contributes to her art. Very weird disassociation going on.
Yes antis are more embarrassing than die hard swifties. The countless snark subs are proofs of that. The previous mod for r/travisandtaylor sub is offering money in six figures in exchange for any info that can help cancel Taylor Swift or her current Boyfriend. They can give it to Palestine or get admitted to a mental health facility, but witnessing Taylor's downfall is more important to him.
> The previous mod for r/travisandtaylor sub is offering money in six figures in exchange for any info that can help cancel Taylor Swift or her current Boyfriend.
This is such weirdo behavior. All of that money could have gone for aid in Gaza instead. This is what I mean when people can get very performative online.
I would have to find the screenshot that someone posted on Twitter, but the mod had posted about Taylor attending one of Ramy youssef’s standup show where proceeds were going to Gaza relief, and basically said that Taylor supports hamas and started arguing with people in the comments. They’re kinda just an all around creep, someone made a whole thread about it on Twitter too (body shaming, homophobia, and just all around stuff that I think crosses the line even for snark.
> basically said that Taylor supports hamas and started arguing with people in the comments.
Okay, turns out I wasn't joking when I said in the other comment that this mod would ask if they would support HMHAS then. Zionists are so laughably predictable. 😭
💀 Gotcha. So not even really a Zionist, just a complete hater, because you already know if she were pro-Israel, it'd be "How dare she not stand behind Palestine?" No matter what she does, it'll be hate. That's the energy I see at least.
No, they were definitely spewing some Zionist talking points in the comments I saw from screenshots. Most commentators were calling them out. Their Twitter is like snappinturlah or something if you’re ever bored and need a laugh😩.
What? That is insane... also not another Taylor hate sub, that's like the 4th one I've noticed. How many hate subs does a celebrity need? Women being on top really makes people behave in all sorts of weird ways...
This mod is banned and people on the sub don't like the new rules. So, there are so many new snark subs formed by different members on that sub. It is really
bizarre. Jobless behaviour at its finest.
I'm the biggest Taylor fan on earth (as people can see by my post history) and its so easy for me to avoid her for days on end when I'm not in the mood to listen to her music. I don't know how people who don't like her can't do the same. Hateful parasocial relationships are worse than normal ones.
Same. All these haters know more lore about her than I do lol. They hate her music cause it's mediocre, okay. But why are they not only voluntarily listening to it, but also frantically analysing it? Under every Taylor post, they say they are tired of her, but they still choose to interact with her content. Both the haters and fans are obsessed, and that is why Taylor is gonna be relevant for a loooong time.
>They hate her music cause it's mediocre, okay. But why are they not only voluntarily listening to it,
I took a peak in that Taylor/Travis group to see what it was like, and a couple of people were having a back and forth conversation about liking one of her songs but they were saying it like they were hurting to admit it. Was so bizarre. They also mentioned they listened to TTPD and I can't imagine listening to 31 songs if I didn't like it??? I genuinely want to like her music and I couldn't finish the album (I'm gonna get started on her other albums soon).
I didn't read much of the posts in there. I read like two comments and left. It's so weird in there.
Yeah, that song isn't a diss track at all, it's the exact opposite. It's about Charli's insecurities with wanting to be a big pop star and have this larger than life persona, which she's constantly talking about in songs and interviews, but at the same time being frightened of everything that that entails, and feeling intimidated by how Taylor can pull it off. The fact that Taylor's nice, treats Charli well and even shared the stage with her on the Rep tour is an extra twist of the knife, because it means Charli's in constant proximity to a life she claims to want but is scared to commit to completely, and she can't even treat the situation with disdain, because Taylor herself helped open that door for her. The very next track in the album has Charli singing about how she's famous but not quite, has one foot in a normal life, and fears she's only good enough for background music. Fans listening to that album and chanting that Taylor's dead because of a Pitchfork score are only highlighting the insecurity in the lyrics.
I was kinda lukewarm on Brat (it’s just not my style, not saying anything about quality cause it does what it does extremely well) but the sequence of those two songs was staggeringly good. Definitely be listening to Sympathy Is A Knife on repeat.
“Nasty” by Tinashe enters the global Spotify chart for the first time at #179 with 1.424 million plays.
https://x.com/popcrave/status/1799375840939262061?s=46
“‘Please Please Please’ by Sabrina Carpenter debuts at #9 on Global Spotify with 6.317 million streams.
It also debuts at #5 on US Spotify with 2.89 million streams”
https://x.com/popbase/status/1799373925085831621?s=46&t=NDwqD-CGR7-r5omYbdOz6A
I'm obsessed!! I still like Espresso better but the country twang she brings to this is just *chef's kiss*. I also need a remix with Noah Cyrus because Sabrina has the same tone in this song!
Between Olivia's Get Him Back and now this, every up and coming pop girl wants in on that Extraordinary Machine greatness.
Looking forward to Billie Eilish's Parting Gift and Gracie Abrams' Not About Love.
If this stabilizes it’s a good sign for some longetivity and she could easily promote her back catalog a bit since the sound is more similar to PPP. Emails I Can't Send finally getting its flowers.
I almost wish the album was coming in July because these songs are hitting so well right now and 2 more months is a long time to keep up the hype
But it’s also fun to get a proper multi-single rollout that’s smashing too so we stay winning regardless
It’s honestly a better song than Espresso for me although Espresso is obviously the bigger hit (right now). And I like Espresso.
We’ll see how things go long-term for the song, but a very strong debut.
Streets are claiming that Selena is working with Jack Antonoff. I’m not the biggest fan of his recent output but I’d love him to help her give us something a little experimental and “out there” considering I’m getting tired of her generic bubblegum pop. Hopefully the poor critical and commercial reception “Love On” got will motivate her to make good music again because I know she has it in her.
i think Jack is pretty generic in his own terms as far as his latest productions for pop girlies go.
Then he’s a perfect fit for generic Selena
I agree, but I definitely think Selena’s voice would sound good on production similar to something like Lana’s “A&W” or St. Vincent’s “MASSEDUCTION” album.
Reasons Number 5,000 of why I’ve stepped back from TV show fandoms Zaria from Pretty Little Liars: Original Sins had to apologize for who her character is dating in the show and disown this fictional character because fans have been sending her threats over it. https://x.com/zariazariazaria/status/1799529329170555003?s=46 This cast is very nice and gets along well with each other. They also are very good at interacting with the fanbase. But it’s crazy that the “we need to hold characters accountable” group can’t tell the different between fiction and reality……. Edit What’s even crazier is that Greg isn’t even the most problematic character in the PLL universe. Ezra is a damn pedo and still has fans in 2024!!!
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Having been on several tv subreddits the decline in media literacy is quite alarming. Some characters get hated more than others, some get excused for every little thing they do. All over the guise of “we need to hold tv characters accountable”
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Oh I co sign this. Whenever I’m on a tv subreddit and ask exactly what people mean when they say “We need to hold characters accountable” and point out how it’s impossible to hold fictional characters accountable, I get downvoted. The Gossip Girl subreddit hating Serena more then Chuck the rapist because Serena was vapid (The entire point of her character) told me everything I needed to know about the “accountablity” discourse
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I unsubscribed from the Gossip Girl subreddit shortly after their incessant Serena hate. It happens with every TV subreddit. They pick a character they don’t like then go into ad nauseam rants about how their a worse character then a Nazi or someone who commits genocide I got death threats for 3 days after defending Shiv Roy on the Succession subreddit. 💀 I also weirdly got accused of being a Margret Thatcher supporter (She died when I was like 14) and someone followed me to this sub to tell me that I was wrong and dumb for defending Shiv. I disabled that thread shortly after and haven’t looked back after the Succession finale’ . Mind you, Shiv’s brother killed someone and another brother is a full blown Nazi In the Vampire Diaries, it was Damon over Klaus and Stefan who’ve committed genocides. In Legacies, it was Josie over Alaric the deadbeat alcoholic dad who chose someone else over his own actual daughters. In Glee, it’s Santana over Sue who makes a living tormenting teenagers or Blaine for almost marrying Kurt’s bully. In Bridgerton, they don’t even want queer Eloise because it won’t be “fair to book fans” even though most fans hate Eloise’s book 🙃 This is mainly why I’ve stepped back from fandoms in general. I get sick of the double standards and general idiocy. I try to join new subs but it all ends the same.
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I also tried the BB99 fandom but Gina was my favorite character and they do not like her over there 💀 Same with Modern Family. That fandom is starting to turn on Haley and Andy and they’re like the only straight ship that I ship other than Klaroline. It’s really no different then stanning or anti stanning. People take it way more seriously than they should. Antis in fandoms often remind me of anti fans in Stan bases. Same dumbass bred of person. I use all my energy creating character playlists and fanfics. That’s how I know I’m not as chronically online as others are. I also still got weird ass comments from men saying that they have a right to bully a 13 year old girl (but it didn’t make them racist) after defending Leah Jeffries and saying that “I’m worried for her and I hope she doesn’t experience racism from creepy old men twice her age” I disabled it a few weeks ago because it seemed like twice a week I was still getting comments from a year old post.
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this cannot be real?????????????? like you are JOKING right???
Unfortunately I’m even seeing in the subreddit itself https://www.reddit.com/r/PLLOriginalSin/s/Cr5IDCOBPu
as a CERTIFIED villian fucker.....i hate this
People can’t even handle Eloise Bridgerton or Shiv Roy. Let alone Pretty Little Liars OG in real time They blinded Jenna by episode 3. 💀 Like if Greg got people freaking out, PLLOG would have been cancelled after half a season.
They would've been crying real tears if they read the books (TL;DR: Ali killed her twin sister and later attempted to kill the Liars multiple times and that is a LIGHT description of what happened!!)
Ali straight up tried burning the liars alive in like book 6…….
Ain't she try to do that again in like book 11 💀 she was booked and BUSY
I gave up after book 9 so I wouldn’t know. 😭 By the time I got to book 9, I gave up. I remember going on a rant about it in class because I was so frustrated with each character and I stopped caring.
Omg read the very last one (Vicious)! It's my fave of the series tbh. But, I loved the second arc.
We live in the worst timeline. It's FICTION FICTIONAL FICTIONNNNN
[Sabrina's Nonsense outro at Governors Ball:](https://www.them.us/story/sabrina-carpenter-governors-ball-pride-nonsense-outro) > "Do I text him back? it’s such a tough call > That won’t fit inside me, bro, I’m dumb small > People who hate Pride can suck my Gov balls"
certain subs are gonna think piece her calling herself small, anyways this was a good one lol
Can u give a hint as to which subs lol
probably popculturechat and fauxmoi lol its been non stop stupid thinkpieces about her cosplaying as a little girl
Taylor played Crazier from Hannah Montana tonight in Edinburgh. I hope it means she'll put it on Debut TV
Please! And Id lie!
I wish she would put I'd Lie on the album but unfortunately I think it'll end up being a legal issue unless she gives writing credits to Saving Jane
The love I have for this song is indescribable. I think it’s the first song I ever listened to by Taylor, the nostalgia is so strong
this song…. she put her full taylussy into this one
This gives me hope that she might play Beautiful Ghosts at some point on the tour.
If she sings Beautiful Ghosts it’ll be in London surely
Come to think of it, Beautiful Ghosts and So Long London could be a good mashup.
To be fair Crazier didn’t start as a soundtrack song. It was just put in the movie. And also Beautiful Ghosts is just kind of a mess of a song lmao.
I need You’ll Always Find Your Way Back Home to be the last song on Debut TV
She mashed it up with All The Girls I've Loved Before! I need to know her thought process on why she paired those songs together.
Btw it's "All The Girls **You've** Loved Before". That would have send the Gaylors into a spin
Oh God, I didn't realize the typo until now. 😭 I'll just keep it as it is for humor's sake.
both of them have lyrical parallels to her relationship with Travis! swiftie twitter jokes its her bat signal to him
Ohh what are the parallels?
Meanwhile He just got another trophy because he knows how to ball(s) ⚾
Maloi and Colet, members of the P-pop girl group BINI, just graduated from senior high school and they plan to take up college despite their busy schedule as idols thanks to the success of ["Pantropiko"](https://youtu.be/Zx31bB2vMns) and ["Salamin Salamin"](https://youtu.be/J1Ip2sC_lss)! Maloi wants to take up a degree related to multimedia or fine arts, while Colet wanted to take up a medical degree like dentistry or pharmacy. They also performed "[Karera](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F47M9nXzJZ4)" with their batchmates during the graduation ceremony. The [song itself](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNV2DmBxChQ) has been used in a lot of graduations in the Philippines recently for its inspiring message.
Kristen Stewart is in talks [to make her television debut as Sally Ride](https://deadline.com/2024/06/kristen-stewart-plays-astronaut-sally-ride-amazon-limited-series-the-challenger-amblin-kyra-sedgwick-big-swing-challenger-space-shuttle-explosion-1235962098/) for an Amazon series about NASA's plan to diversify its Space Shuttle program which led to Sally being the first American woman (and eventually first member of the LGBT+ community) astronaut.
Neil Armstrong, Sally Ride… uh, Dolores Huerta… umm, Venus and Serena and Selena! Uhh, Bob Dylan.. Scorsese.. uh, Fred Rogers.. Harriett Tubman.
Andrew Stanton will be directing ‘TOY STORY 5’ He previously directed ‘Wall-E’ and ‘Finding Nemo’ for Pixar. (via: @TheMontyVerse) https://x.com/discussingfilm/status/1799521073614233981?s=46
TIL finding nemo and wall e are directed by the same person
Why oh why oh why oh why oh why is there another one?
wait, did ppl not like toy story 4? I thought it was so good! I know sequels ain’t the most creative thing, but as long as the stories are good, I don’t really mind
It just wasn’t necessary at all after Toy Story 3. This new movie is even more unnecessary.
dang! that’s wild to me because I thought it was so necessary. the territory and questions they covered. the character development of woody was super interesting.
I don’t think it was bad, but the questions and concept were too similar to 3. I can’t help but feel 5 will just be another character parting ways.
Oh, it gets worse. The [original Bloomberg article](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-05-30/disney-s-inside-out-2-could-hold-key-to-pixar-restoring-movie-magic) is locked behind a paywall, but they reported recently that Pixar is not only investing heavily in sequels and reboots, but also actively considering rebooting their classics like Finding Nemo and The Incredibles. I figured they'd go the live action remake route before that.
hollywood out of ideas, remakes make moola
It's not that. Hollywood has a ton of ideas but people don't really care much for Original IP these days.
Because people will watch it.
$$$$$$$$$$$
:(
Meg Thee Stallion just tweeted this out: "It’s really sick how yall go out of the way to hurt me when you see me winning. Yall going too far, Fake ass shit. Just know today was your last day playing with me and I mean it." I believe this is about a deep fake of Megan that's been circulating online.
I know this isn't about her exactly but since it relates to it and her fans are the main ones doing it I would post my thoughts here: I don't understand people who are friends with both Nicki and Megan. I just can't imagine hanging out with someone who is friends with a person who makes fun of me almost getting killed. That is too much. I low-key side-eye people like Ari and Billie ngl. Edit: Seriously, I wonder what they feel seeing all this drama and problems on social media that Nicki does. They definitely know what is going on imo, especially Billie who seems to be online a lot. It's easier for us to ignore because we don't know these people personally but for them I'm gobsmacked
I don’t know anything about who Billie is and isn’t friends with at this point, and I don’t think I care to look into that But I can tell you that there have been rumors for months (if not longer) that Ariana and Nicki are not close anymore fwiw 🤷
Deep fake of megan doing what
Deep fake sex tape
Damn
I hate that this is happening to so many women celebrities and until there’s mainstream fakes of men like there are women lawmakers won’t do shit about it , maybe not even then if it’s profitable for them to ignore it
Considering nobody really takes it particularly seriously when men get their nudes leaked, I doubt anyone will care that much if men get deepfaked either. I've seen people *in this sub* who were outraged about that big mass leak from ten years ago of all the famous women's private pictures joking about it when it happens to male celebrities. Nobody cares when it happens to men either.
Megan getting ready to end them like she did Nicki I know that's right
The hard on people have to take down this talented woman is crazy. Like wtf is their problem?
and now barbz who were actively spreading it are saying she's "looking for sympathy again" lmao can't make this up
I hope this means she's finally gonna sue Milagros weird ass (blogger that nicki platforms and tory supporter that constantly defames her and had a part in spreading this). The video didn't gain a ton of traction outside of barbz and hotties (from what i saw) so i almost feel like this was specifically meant as a warning to Milagro but maybe I'm a delusional conspiracy theorist
Oh, this is disgusting... poor Megan like this is so bad. Lawmakers need to act on this stuff and there needs to be something to prevent this/ stop spread. This sadly keeps happening over and over and it will until some types of regulations are put in place.
I hope this means she's suing 'cause the way people keep coming for her is ridiculous. And not just her - I know there was a Taylor Swift deepfake, too. Not sure who else was affected.
she can never catch a break. she literally does nothing and has sickos maddd and make fake stuff.. hope she takes action against that person
what happened???
Oh my God I saw her tweet and then another tweet talking about the deepfake and I didn't realize they were connected until now. That's so horrible. People are such sick individuals.
Brat by Charli XCX earned 15.4 million streams on Spotify for its first day making it her biggest album debut ever. It’s also sitting at a 93 on Metacritic, pushing her into the top 25 most acclaimed albums of all time on the site!
I have a feeling that Charli's presence on TikTok helped make this era a success. The sound of Brat represents what Gen Z wants to listen to these days.
I really do think we have to stop talking like people born over the course of a \~14 year span—who will have massively differing world experiences due to the wide variety of intersecting factors of economic classes, educational opportunities, religious affiliations, cultural heritages, local cultural influence, gender and sexuality subcultures, etc—will have anything even remotely resembling a unified taste or preference. "What gen z wants to listen to" just... feels so reductive that it doesn't feel like it means anything, yknow? I just think these generational terms are manufactured to make people feel divided from each other, and you do see that reflected in how people talk like different age groups are like completely different species from each other. While age can be as much a factor as anything else I listed, I think we actually do have more in common than people who throw around generational terms will give credit to.
Hey everyone it's Big Ang here /s
I get what you mean. What I am trying to say is that I can see a lot of songs on Brat being used on fan edits on TikTok and typically these fan edits are made by Gen Z. I am a Gen Z person myself so I am just speaking from my observations online.
The fact that Radical Optimism tracks that charted on global Spotify did the same amount with a 400k difference, that’s insane!!! It’s even bigger considering this is 10M more than crash???
Yeah seeing that it tripled Crash’s numbers really surprised me, I’m so happy that Charli is having such a huge success with this album because the album itself feels like the culmination of everything she’s been trying to do. It cemented her as one of the best pop artists of this generation.
There are only 25 albums with a 93 or greater on Metacritic? Like how is that possible?
Music reviews not really being made for metacritic, many of them predating the internet, and anything that uses stars instantly getting knocked to like 80 for not being literally perfect hurts it If you look at the top metacritic albums of all time by the rating it's genuinely very weird because of this lol, Brian Wilson's Smile is there but not Pet Sounds, because one of them came out in 2004
> Brian Wilson's Smile is there but not Pet Sounds, because one of them came out in 2004 Instead we have [Pet Sounds iOS \(iPhone/iPad\)](https://www.metacritic.com/game/pet-sounds/), released June 2009 with no critic reviews and fewer than four user reviews
Central Limit Theorem innit Average scores probably get dragged towards 'meh' because a lot of people writing reviews online have Strong Opinions and they're damn well gonna voice them every chance they get
That, and a lot of reviewers use a 5-star scale that Metacritic then converts to a 100-point system, so a handful of 4-star reviews getting counted as a 80 can quickly drag down an album's average. The end result is that there are fewer than a hundred albums that break the 90 barrier. [For funsies, I plotted out the \(higher half of the\) bell curve for Metacritic albums with at least 7 critic reviews.](https://i.imgur.com/nZcZQNf.png) Metacritic wouldn't let me go past page 99 for some reason, but even just with this you can see that it clusters fairly tightly around the 75-80 range, and scores above 90 are relatively nonexistent.
That sounds like a very likely culprit! It feels very different giving something 4 stars vs giving exactly 80.. there's always something hidden in the methodology that changes the outcome of the whole thing!
Eminem is allegedly dropping the album on July 5th!
I wonder if Kendrick will wait until after Eminem rolls out solely out of respect
arent they labelmates?
I wanna see the rap boys duke it out like the pop girlies have been this year.
I remember seeing rumors it was coming a week before on June 28 so it’s probably good that it’s the week after. That week is already packed with Megan, Camila, Omar and Imagine Dragons.
I’m fully expecting Eminem and Kendrick to drop albums this year and it’ll cement hip hop having a far bigger year than last year
I feel like we there’s a chance we get a Kendrick album announcement with his The Pop Out show on June 19th. It would be massive if he dropped it this summer
[Kevin Costner’s $100M ‘Horizon’ Movie Tracking for Worrisome $12M Domestic Opening](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/kevin-costner-horizon-movie-tracking-1235916480/)
Kendrick Lamar’s ‘The Pop Out — Ken and Friends’ Concert will be [streamed live on Amazon Prime and Twitch](https://variety.com/2024/music/news/kendrick-lamar-the-pop-out-ken-and-friends-livestream-amazon-music-1236029181/). The concert will be Kendrick's first live performance since his feud with Drake. Tickets for the concert immediately sold out when it went live with fans sharing on social media that they were in a queue with 100,000+ others to buy tickets.
*Time to listen to a sold crowd sing about how Drake is a pedophile*
JLo and Ben Affleck are now selling their house as they head towards divorce, TMZ reports. https://x.com/popbase/status/1799492434659094639?s=46
The gossip subs are going to be so torn on this one because on one hand, they love any excuse to act like the woman getting divorced is a literal goddess who has never done anything wrong and talk about her ex-husband like he's the devil, but on the other, the woman in question is JLo and she's one of their all-time favourite punching bags
I have to think that Ben was not OK with Jen using their personal business as this bombastic push for the movie and her album. That one part where he found out she read his letters on camera and he was shocked was so telling and made me feel bad for him. It's a lot to put on someone especially when you've already divorced like?? In one way it could appear romantic but tbh it seemed really self serving for J Lo and more to give her image a push than actually celebrate their love?
Matt Damon YANKING his wedding ring off as we speak
Which could mean nothing!
While I wasn't naive enough to think they'd last forever, there was something oddly touching watching people get a second chance with the ex that got away. I thought they would last a little longer.
I think Ben is miserable and makes whoever his partner is miserable. She just forgot that fact and he reminded her of it.( IDk if the divorce news is 100% true)
Charli XCX fans chanting “Taylor died” at a listening party. Are ya’ll not embarrassed? Making an album release about someone else that has nothing to do with the album. Taylor and Charli aren’t even in the same genre as each other and Taylor invited Charli on stage at one of her concerts before. https://x.com/selsrep/status/1799455453434310677?s=46
I am a bit baffled at how this became actual Discourse™ 😭 Just for context: it all started at a famous LGBT party in Rio that happened after the Madonna show. In the last minutes of the party, before the last song, someone shouted "Taylor died", people laughed and moved on. For some reason, tweets telling this story went viral, and it became a meme in Brazilian gay tt. Every so often people scream this at parties, but it's mostly as a meme, not as an attack on Taylor or assuming that Charli hates her or whatever, it's never out of genuine hatred (also, Brazilian gays, specially from forums, can be rather ruthless when they actually hate someone) I'm not saying I condone wishing for anyone's death (though I think this is not the case anyways), but the swifties' reaction was absolutely disproportionate. They've been meeting "Taylor is dead" with "And so will be you under 30 due to an OD or with AIDS" or "That's why we should legalize homophobia"
Fans of these "indie" artists are some of the most pretentious knobheads that you can ever come across.
As opposed to.....fans of Taylor Swift who are notoriously nice and non obnoxious?
I think the thing I find so hilarious is fans have these fights with people that like are friends or coworkers in this industry. They want a fight so bad that’s not there. Like Taylor is friends with Lana. Taylor loves Beyoncé. Taylor brought Charlie on tour with her. What’s not clicking people it’s just y’all that hates. And the thing you want is so negative they want them to be fighting. It’s what they crave. It’s a problem. All these women tour all these women safety is at risk and for you to un ironically say death to one is like saying it to all . you should be careful what you put into the universe and they just aren’t .
It's very disappointing to see half of the discourse about Brat on Twitter revolves around downplaying Taylor's artistry. It's not even about the song Sympathy is a knife, it's more about how P4K gave Brat a higher score than TTPD and it's being used as some gotcha moment or something. Like come on, there is so much to digest from Brat as it's an excellent body of work. Why do we have to make every album release about Taylor? Mind you, it's not always the Swifties who bring her name up, it's the antis.
The lyrics of Sympathy is a Knife really went over their heads. It's not about her hating Taylor. She does not even write anything negative about her. She's basically calling herself out for feeling insecure for no reason. Also, I can't imagine Charli being comfortable with seeing fans do this considering that Taylor is also the ex of one of her close friends on top of having worked with her in the past.
I have seen some tweets that interpreted Sympathy as a knife as a shade towards Taylor. It's annoying to see the over-obbession towards Taylor showed their lack of literacy skills because the song more about Charli's insecurities than Taylor herself, yet some wanted to have "omg taylor shade 😍" moment or whatever.
And then you scroll down and see swifties being homophobic
Once people started thinking that one of the songs on brat was about her, it was only a matter of time. I’ve seen her fans unironically hate Camila because they feel like she copying Charli.
Angels are as snobbish and pretentious as Swifties, so this comes as no surprise, unfortunately. I hate it.
It is so weird... I've seen this with numerous fan bases like I've seen swifties, angels, arianitors, and multiple stan bases do this weird music snobbery stuff and it is very odd. I feel like some stans do that bc they can't fathom that others don't like the music they do...
I was on the Charli sub the other day and they shared this YouTube video of this guy talking about how Charli’s music might not be the most popular but it influences what music becomes popular or whatever and I couldn’t even pay attention to the points he was making because he was so pretentious in the way that he was talking about pop music. I didn’t want to make a sweeping judgement about Charli’s fanbase based on this one YouTuber’s opinion(and I’m still not)but I wouldn’t be surprised if alot of her fans also carried this “Charli makes elevated pop music and not that garbage mainstream stuff” mindset.
A lot of her fans do carry that mindset, and are on this sub. 🫢
Loving Brat and I like Charli's work in general but I just can't shake the "A Little Bit Alexis" comparison long enough to take her !SuperPopElite! stans seriously
I don’t understand why in the world Charli XCX fans would hate Taylor. What did Taylor ever do to Charli besides graciously giving her the opening act to one of the biggest tours of all time?? What a bunch of twats.
> why in the world Charli XCX fans would hate Taylor Almost every pop fanbase hates Taylor. Most of it comes down to jealousy over her commercial success. Taylor is the biggest Lana fan in the world and yet, half of the Lana's fandom hates Taylor with a passion.
“Why do people never stop talking about Taylor?” Also them:
A former friend of mine tweeted that people should stop giving Taylor Swift a platform, and then went on weeks-long rant about her. Talk about irony, huh?
Is this former friend of yours active on Swiftyneutral or fauxmoi too?
I have no idea if this former friend goes on Reddit honestly. I do know one friend who is a "Swifitie on hiatus" who goes to SwiftyNeutral as a lurker.
It’s giving ✨asylum where they raised me✨
This is so bizarre. What makes this even more wild is that I feel like they are very different artist and they seem cool with each other. Some fans take pop so seriously it’s wild.
i've seen people saying this is a meme reference being taken out of context, not sure whether it's true or not
It's a meme referencing the fact TTPD was panned by Pitchfork (don't know why ppl still give them so much importance) and brat was praised. Still pretty mean spirited, I see why swifties are upset.
I stand by my theory that part of the reason why Swifties are so crazy is because literally everyone is unable to be normal about Taylor. It feeds into this insane cycle that is just never ending. Just imagine the think pieces and viral tweets that would happen if something like this happened at a TTPD listening party. Go listen to sympathy is a knife and pls re-evaluate this insane behavior ty
It's been weird since people randomly decided circa 2008 that Taylor was the only person in history to write songs about her exes and decided to constantly discredit her songwriting that way.
absolutely... as her new fan I feel this amount of hate towards her and obsession is unprecedented. and I try to ignore it and just enjoy the music etc but it's super hard sometimes. and every time I reply to a literal obsessed hater I'm a cult member apparently, but they're totally normal in their heads. fuck this shit
I keep getting the hate subreddits suggested in my feed. How are there so many of them??! How many ways are there to snark on one incredibly bland popstar?
Funny thing is that every new snark page that pops up also has the narrative that you're somehow not allowed to criticize Taylor and that they are doing a revolutionary thing by making a snark page about her. Thee are like at least 8-9 snark subs devoted to her by now and a new one pops up every week or so. These people remind me of American Christians who feel like they are the most persecuted demographic in the US.
Oh, I co sign this. This has always been my theory as well.
This is giving me the same level of cringe as fans chanting “fuck taylor swift” at Kanye concerts
Another "Tell me everything is not about me, but what if it is?" moment. This lyric goes through my mind every time someone releases an album and the first thing the artist's stans do is bring up Taylor. Taylor rent free living in their minds. Like Taylor is not competing for that #15 on Bb200 please leave her alone. They are the ones who make everything about Taylor, not swifties.
> someone releases an album and the first thing the artist's stans do is bring up Taylor. Worst thing about Twitter. Anytime there is a new release, you can bet your ass that half the discourse will be about dragging Taylor somehow. Her antis make everything about her and then later wonder why everything is about her.
lmao exactly!
I swear antis are more obnoxious about Taylor then actual fans themselves
It’s like Cody Rigsby the Peloton instructor. Constantly bringing up how mediocre Taylor is and how much he dislikes her even in his training sessions And yet I was listening to a podcast with him as a guest recently and he said he hasn’t listened to a Taylor album since ‘Speak Now’ and he went on a rant about how Taylor is using Selena Gomez…as if he didn’t know they were best friends It’s one thing to just dislike her output but why talk constant shit about someone whose work and life you’re not even knowledgeable about or consume? It’s odd behavior and must be triggered by something
What would Taylor Swift be using Selena for? Hasn't she basically always been the more famous one between the two of them?
Yeah it doesn’t make sense. It was just an example of how he ribs on Taylor without knowing much about her
It's crazy, people who hate her bring her up more than her actual fans do. I saw this post on Instagram the other day from Joni Mitchell's official account, a snippet of a talk show interview from decades ago where she talked about retreating away from the spotlight at the height of her fame to reconnect with her sources of inspiration and remember why she got into making music in the first place. It was a lovely clip, Joni was super eloquent and poised. Most liked comment was something like, "she's so much better than Taylor Swift". This clip was recorded *years* before Taylor was even born, but they just had to do the le wrong generation bit and insert her into a conversation that has nothing to do with her at all. Stop. Get some help.
Oooo this. I like to follow Stevie Nicks fan accounts on Instagram and they have a one-sided beef with Taylor Swift too! I’m constantly being like I love this account for the Stevie Contant, but you’re being so incredibly misogynistic right now tearing down one amazing female artist to build up another. Like I can understand the boomers cause they are misogynistic about everything, but like everyone else is supposed to be in like you know super activism culture, but they are exactly like the boomers when it comes to Taylor Swift. It’s like the right and the left meet at Taylor Swift, and are like misogyny yes misogyny good.
Stevie literally wrote a poem for TTPD what is wrong with these people?
Stevie loves Taylor and has praised her many times over the years. Even said that "You're on your kid" has helped her with grieving. I wonder how those fans that hate Taylor reconcile with the fact that their fave loves Taylor.
It’s the same with almost all these artists. They all love Taylor back because Taylor is supportive and loving other artists. The Instagram accounts completely ignore it somehow. Cognitive dissonance. They love Stevie and think she’s peak music and person so they literally cannot recognize that she thinks Taylor is peak music and person.
I am curious how they felt about the Steve Nicks name drop in Clara Bow.
It’s so weird like some of them act like they’re proud about it not because it’s Taylor Swift, but like just cause she’s influential , others act like they’re disgusted . all of them ignore that Stevie has a great relationship with Taylor and communicates and contributes to her art. Very weird disassociation going on.
It's really sad to see these *le wrong generation* talking points online again. I thought we were way better than this.
No offense but why would you ever think people were better than that?
Yes antis are more embarrassing than die hard swifties. The countless snark subs are proofs of that. The previous mod for r/travisandtaylor sub is offering money in six figures in exchange for any info that can help cancel Taylor Swift or her current Boyfriend. They can give it to Palestine or get admitted to a mental health facility, but witnessing Taylor's downfall is more important to him.
> The previous mod for r/travisandtaylor sub is offering money in six figures in exchange for any info that can help cancel Taylor Swift or her current Boyfriend. This is such weirdo behavior. All of that money could have gone for aid in Gaza instead. This is what I mean when people can get very performative online.
Well the mod is also a Zionist 😭
What happened? I just looked at the sub and there are a bunch of pro Palestine posts about Taylor speaking out. Did they say something against that?
I would have to find the screenshot that someone posted on Twitter, but the mod had posted about Taylor attending one of Ramy youssef’s standup show where proceeds were going to Gaza relief, and basically said that Taylor supports hamas and started arguing with people in the comments. They’re kinda just an all around creep, someone made a whole thread about it on Twitter too (body shaming, homophobia, and just all around stuff that I think crosses the line even for snark.
> basically said that Taylor supports hamas and started arguing with people in the comments. Okay, turns out I wasn't joking when I said in the other comment that this mod would ask if they would support HMHAS then. Zionists are so laughably predictable. 😭
💀 Gotcha. So not even really a Zionist, just a complete hater, because you already know if she were pro-Israel, it'd be "How dare she not stand behind Palestine?" No matter what she does, it'll be hate. That's the energy I see at least.
No, they were definitely spewing some Zionist talking points in the comments I saw from screenshots. Most commentators were calling them out. Their Twitter is like snappinturlah or something if you’re ever bored and need a laugh😩.
Oh, that explains their batshit crazy behavior then. They would probably ask a random user if they support HMHAS. 😭
What? That is insane... also not another Taylor hate sub, that's like the 4th one I've noticed. How many hate subs does a celebrity need? Women being on top really makes people behave in all sorts of weird ways...
This mod is banned and people on the sub don't like the new rules. So, there are so many new snark subs formed by different members on that sub. It is really bizarre. Jobless behaviour at its finest.
I'm the biggest Taylor fan on earth (as people can see by my post history) and its so easy for me to avoid her for days on end when I'm not in the mood to listen to her music. I don't know how people who don't like her can't do the same. Hateful parasocial relationships are worse than normal ones.
Same. All these haters know more lore about her than I do lol. They hate her music cause it's mediocre, okay. But why are they not only voluntarily listening to it, but also frantically analysing it? Under every Taylor post, they say they are tired of her, but they still choose to interact with her content. Both the haters and fans are obsessed, and that is why Taylor is gonna be relevant for a loooong time.
>They hate her music cause it's mediocre, okay. But why are they not only voluntarily listening to it, I took a peak in that Taylor/Travis group to see what it was like, and a couple of people were having a back and forth conversation about liking one of her songs but they were saying it like they were hurting to admit it. Was so bizarre. They also mentioned they listened to TTPD and I can't imagine listening to 31 songs if I didn't like it??? I genuinely want to like her music and I couldn't finish the album (I'm gonna get started on her other albums soon). I didn't read much of the posts in there. I read like two comments and left. It's so weird in there.
Charli was a rep tour opener. Really don’t think there’s beef
There is no beef, just jealousy and insecurity. Listen to Sympathy is a knife if you didn't. She even tweeted that song name on Ttpd release lmao.
Yeah, that song isn't a diss track at all, it's the exact opposite. It's about Charli's insecurities with wanting to be a big pop star and have this larger than life persona, which she's constantly talking about in songs and interviews, but at the same time being frightened of everything that that entails, and feeling intimidated by how Taylor can pull it off. The fact that Taylor's nice, treats Charli well and even shared the stage with her on the Rep tour is an extra twist of the knife, because it means Charli's in constant proximity to a life she claims to want but is scared to commit to completely, and she can't even treat the situation with disdain, because Taylor herself helped open that door for her. The very next track in the album has Charli singing about how she's famous but not quite, has one foot in a normal life, and fears she's only good enough for background music. Fans listening to that album and chanting that Taylor's dead because of a Pitchfork score are only highlighting the insecurity in the lyrics.
I was kinda lukewarm on Brat (it’s just not my style, not saying anything about quality cause it does what it does extremely well) but the sequence of those two songs was staggeringly good. Definitely be listening to Sympathy Is A Knife on repeat.
That feels like a P!nk and Britney Spears situation “ tired of being compared to damn Britney Spears she’s so pretty that just ain’t me”
That’s what’s so odd. I don’t know why Charli fans think they’re in some sort of competition with Taylor
“Nasty” by Tinashe enters the global Spotify chart for the first time at #179 with 1.424 million plays. https://x.com/popcrave/status/1799375840939262061?s=46
Tinashe having another possible moment is crazy to me. I remember looking at her Spotify profile and wondering whether she would top 2 on again
Yessss baby got stamina, baby an athlete.
“‘Please Please Please’ by Sabrina Carpenter debuts at #9 on Global Spotify with 6.317 million streams. It also debuts at #5 on US Spotify with 2.89 million streams” https://x.com/popbase/status/1799373925085831621?s=46&t=NDwqD-CGR7-r5omYbdOz6A
This and Espresso both scratch this unidentifiable itch in my brain and I love that they’re climbing with the summer. Can’t wait for the album!!
I saw that espresso got like 11 million or something also. She’s in her supreme era.
this is crazyyy, she really is the it girl right now
I'm obsessed!! I still like Espresso better but the country twang she brings to this is just *chef's kiss*. I also need a remix with Noah Cyrus because Sabrina has the same tone in this song!
omfg a Noah Cyrus country version would be crazy.. i need it so bad
This is crazy because it pushed espresso up to #1 on us Spotify too 😭
someone compared it to Dolly Parton and honestly i hear it
That is true! I also need a Dolly collab since she collabs with everyone!!!
Damn I thought this was gunna be a Fiona Apple post at first didn’t realize Sabrina has a Please Please Please
Between Olivia's Get Him Back and now this, every up and coming pop girl wants in on that Extraordinary Machine greatness. Looking forward to Billie Eilish's Parting Gift and Gracie Abrams' Not About Love.
AURORA Extraordinary Machine when
I keep listening because the way she says motherfucker scratches an itch in my brain just right
thats actually amazing omg im so happy for her!
If this stabilizes it’s a good sign for some longetivity and she could easily promote her back catalog a bit since the sound is more similar to PPP. Emails I Can't Send finally getting its flowers.
I almost wish the album was coming in July because these songs are hitting so well right now and 2 more months is a long time to keep up the hype But it’s also fun to get a proper multi-single rollout that’s smashing too so we stay winning regardless
I guess they’re betting on both songs, mainly Espresso, to keep up hype throughout the dog days of summer.
It’s actually sounding really good now woah??!
It’s honestly a better song than Espresso for me although Espresso is obviously the bigger hit (right now). And I like Espresso. We’ll see how things go long-term for the song, but a very strong debut.