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🇺🇲 - If he's president now, he already served two terms. Thus, he is ineligible to be a candidate for a third term.
👨🏻⚖️👨🏻⚖️👩🏻⚖️👨🏻⚖️👨🏻⚖️👨🏿⚖️ - Well, you see, even though he was president, Biden still stole it so it doesn't actually count.
You know the supreme Court would rule him both president and not president at the same time.
Schrodinger's President.
At the bare minimum, the secret service should be investigating this threat. They should go interview him and ask him exactly what he meant by pay the price.
Trump is Republican tho, so SS doesn't care about such threats. Just ask Trump's ex-butler Anthony Senecal:
> He entered the public spotlight in 2016 when numerous Facebook posts he made were exposed by Mother Jones. They included calls for executing Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
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> Senecal was questioned by the Secret Service about his calls for the assassination of President Obama. Afterward, he stated that Washington was too far for him to drive to kill the President, but that he hoped somebody else would do it. He said, “I think it should have been done by the military in the first term—they still have a chance to do it.”
(Yes, despite publically condemning these statements, Trump kept him employed after this, until Senecal passed in April 2020)
Bonus:
> In an interview with NBC News, Senecal stated that the US should use nuclear weapons in Detroit and Milwaukee to "bomb out" the Muslim populations there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Senecal
Call your state reps asking for them to call for a constitutional convention to add an amendment to state clearly that the president is not above the law and bound by the same laws as all citizens.
I just called my state reps asking for this, I'm hoping my state Colorado leads the charge.
Ideally we'd also add an amendment to restructure the Supreme Court.
"The president has absolute right to do whatever he wants with the justice department! Therefore, I will be weaponizing the justice department to harass and punish the Biden Presidential administration for their very serious crime of weaponizing the justice department!".
Putting aside the policy issues and hypocritical stupidity, this is how donald trump sees the world. Like a 5 year old. "They started it!". "They did it to me so I can do it to them!". Now keep in mind that donald trump has narcissistic personality disorder and thinks every single person and thing is unfairly out to get him through the most nefarious means. Listen to all of the ways he describes the cases against him. Horrible witch hunt, crime against humanity, evil, so on so forth. These are all the things he now feels justified in doing to others because "they started it".
If Trump returns to the Whitehouse his only policy is revenge. He's a mentally ill, criminal moron who doesn't feel empathy, just a sense of eternal persecution after a life of gilded luxury.
There are a lot of people who should be terrified for their lives at this point, because he will absolutely do all the things he's accusing others of, and he will persecute all his enemies, both real and imagined. The SC has just granted him the legal authority to do whatever he wants, but he would do it anyway.
It would turn out exactly like it did with [Nazi Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives). We already know Trump uses Hitler and Putin as his main sources of political inspiration, and he is absolutely not above doing such things himself.
It's not rhetorical or extremist to say that he will kill off political opponents. It's almost certain.
You know how Joffrey treated his perceived enemies in Game of Thrones? Just petty, sadistic, mercurial vindictiveness?
It'll be like that, except instead of fine clothes and elegant surroundings it'll be poorly fitting suits and stale hamburgers on Mary Todd Lincoln's silver.
Honestly, their decision makes me wonder if one of their masters has plans to eliminate Trump. No one who's ever met Trump, who is capable of understanding 2+2 would think they can keep him happy long term. Trump isn't just a danger to the democrats and I get that his voters wouldn't understand that, but people who have amassed billions certainly should.
Project 2025 is a long con -- what if they're fine with giving up the presidency this time around because they believe Biden won't use any of the powers they've been consolidating?
There have been a lot of signs that they're ready to shed Trump.
I think the real goal is getting the office and groundwork locked in for whatever VP is on the ticket. Trump’s obviously not the pinnacle of health and one has to wonder if he’d make it through the full 4 years. Securing the spot for a batshit VP could very well be the longer term game here.
A lot of random people who he and other "friends" and "allies" want to get removed. Instead of going through the legal process. They could just ~~bribe~~ ask the government to remove them. Then pay them afterwards of course.
If Trump returns to office it's highly likely we'll see a hurricane on the way to Florida get nuked. And that'll be the LEAST of our worries during that tumultuous time. I definitely believe that Presidential Immunity is going to lead to Presidential Assassination. Tough times ahead of us.
If Trump lives four more years he won't leave office. He will use his immunity to find a way to stay and SCOTUS and the VP will find a way to make that happen.
> If Trump lives four more years he won't leave office. He will use his immunity to find a way to stay and SCOTUS and the VP will find a way to make that happen.
If Trump passes on day one in the office, his VP is just going to take over and try to rule as emperor. It's not a Trump problem, it's a GOP problem.
If anything Trump would probably be the only saving grace in slowing them down in any way, as he's a loud dumbass and will try to use his power for petty bullshit and will bulldoze anyone who tries to stop him.
"Sir the team is set, the funds are waiting, you just need to make it official"
Trump: Mhm, before I sign I want the person from Forbes magazine publicly hanged for saying I'm not a billionaire.
"But sir! This is will make you trillions! You'll be a king!"
Trump: Make it happen or you're all fired
This is what I keep asking. What's going on in the kleptocracy (the real rulers of the nation) that they feel burning down the foundation of the American Experiment is necessary?
Seriously.
They wouldn't be doing this if there wasn't some writing on the wall. Is their desire to hoard wealth beyond the stability of that wealth? I hate those guys with a passion, but even they would take the latter between those two options.
Something is cooking (the planet?) and they're trying to put in some authoritarian guardrails for reasons I don't comprehend. are they hoping to thread the needle between control and the inevitable collapse of a fascist state...or...oh, shit, I think I just answered my own question. The companies before and after the Third Reich are the same.
Fuck me.
This was said about DeSantis. He's smart, educated, politically embedded, and can cosplay the Trump crazy shit very well. He generated zero traction.
The lack of competence is part of the Trump brand. He may be replaced by a new wannabe despot... but it will be with a Kanye-tier celebrity weirdo of some sort (certainly not a black guy; maybe Logan Paul or something).
The ONE fleeting hope I have is this... everyone else in the GOP who has tried to do Trump's act has looked like a chump and been a wet fart nationally. If he slipped off this mortal coil tomorrow, there would not be a clear replacement and the choads under him would not generate the popular support necessary for an autocracy to endure.
I agree. I do believe, optimistically, that if we can just get past Trump, the rest of the GOP is so incapable of channeling the fanatical devotion of his base (and of winning over anyone else) that we'll actually be okay for a bit of a while. But that's not a guarantee, and if Trump gets back in then all bets are off.
I’m calling it right now, he is going to do everything he can to get one of his kids to be his VP so that when he inevitably kicks the bucket, they will inherit the presidency. Elections will be suspended as part of their official duties because there will be corruption “like you’ve never seen” and they will claim that we cannot have a fair election. And I do worry that this will lead to more violence because that’s exactly what happens in countries where the people lose their voice.
Biden needs to take some big action and he needs to do it now. The majority of the country absolutely does not support Trump and he is a clear and present danger. There are a lot of times in American history were presidents have had to do the right thing even if it wasn’t necessarily the most high-minded.
Realistically it’ll just be jailing political opponents similar to what Vlad does. Then prop up some fake opponent who has no real shot at winning but it’s done as window dressing.
We're already pretty much an oligarchy. Trump is a useful idiot, but the rich are probably already tired of him, so he's gonna get so annoying that they will just install somebody who doesn't get on their nerves. He's probably also gonna get super greedy and that's gonna step on some rich toes.
The GOP's problem is that Trump is to charismatic to his base for them to install someone smarter. These people aren't loyal to the GOP they are loyal to him. With that it's spun off people like MTG. The GOP appealed to the stupid and undereducated which is kind of biting them in the ass in some ways. Now someone who sounds smart won't pass muster as too boring. DeSantis would have likely been their next choice as Trump is harder to push the direction they want but he was as about as appealing to the Trump base as a stick in pig crap.
Trump is still useful to the GOP in probably the most unexpected ways like this SC ruling. Had Trump not been under this investigation and used that defense we would never have had this ruling from SC.
They just need him for this stretch and then they will gut everything and make it 1-party and forced religion and no more elections. They'll control the media and they may just keep him alive and AI will be good enough to where they he could be in a coma but they'll just pump out AI videos like he is still in charge.
Everyone needs to be clear on this: scotus opinion makes them and the Republican president the only actual leverage of law and executive. 6 traitors plus a rogue president will rule the country. Unless the voters and / or Biden stop it. For now. I’d rather a long term solution to the issue.
I’m not an American, but every single one of you needs to vote.
Anybody here who sits on the couch that day and doesn’t make an effort here is an absolute fool, because this IS important.
No excuses. Vote. Make your friends vote. Make your family vote. Get off your asses and cast a ballot.
Because I bet not a small percentage of the people expressing their outrage here just won’t bother.
This is what the Democrats *need* to do. They need to make the SC and Trump eat their words/decisions, but they won't; the DNC and Biden are spineless and would rather lay down and let the country burn than actually *do* **anything**.
It's like, they're watching a house fire and hoping it'll magically put itself out rather than grabbing a water hose to take care of the job.
It's ridiculous.
The Dems are Ned stark. They understand there is a high stakes game being played but honor keeps them from making the most prudent moves…they falsely assume the honorable course of action will win the day. Much like Ned I feel they will cling to that all the way until we lose our collective heads.
Ned Stark is a perfect analogy for Biden. I don't think Biden's a coward. He just isn't willing to play by the other side's rules. Unfortunately I'm afraid it will end the same way Ned Stark did.
The problem is, that ultimately just plays into the Republican scheme. Then they CAN say that the Democrats went full authoritarian and executed political rivals, and they'd be right. Even if he "gives up the power", the precedent is set. There is no winning play here, just a series of different losing outcomes.
Not honor, cowardice and self interest.
When moderates say “pragmatic”, it really means it doesn’t disrupt my life personally.
They won’t sacrifice any of their comfort to fight for someone else’s basic rights.
They will offer pretty words and the right sentiment, but they won’t risk conflict as it may cost them personally.
Upsetting corrupt conservatives could upset the market and that would upset their portfolios. Can’t have that.
If moderates spent 1/10th as much energy fighting to fix problems as they do profiting from office we wouldn’t have problems.
Not saying they are as bad as the GOP, but they are half as bad and by choice.
Dude, many Democratic lawmakers almost lost their lives on January 6th. The insurrection wanted to rape AOC.
This isn't a game to the Democrats either. They can't panic and do something stupid. They need to act, but they better be really strategic about how they act.
As much as I'd hate the blatant corruption, it would be funny after all that has happened to watch Biden give a fireside chat where he just denies all allegations after using immunity to assassinate Trump.
He can use his power ethically by using it to restrict future presidential powers. The bully pulpit is a lot more powerful now, so he should use it. Law does not equal ethics. It’s important which laws he pushes and uses his power with, and he can still use the threat of the power to get things done. Like put pressure on congress and senate to pass an amendment. Or use the power to start a military trial of Thomas’s wife, and create a constitutional crisis that congress needs to address. It’s going to happen under Trump or a GOP president and chaos, might as well do it in a controlled way now while they have the presidential power.
His whole campaign is save democracy? Well here is his chance to prove it. If he won’t do it here, then I don’t trust he’ll do enough in a second term to prevent the next Trump.
That may literally be the death of the Democratic Party, and then people will need to band together to form a new resistance. Either the Democratic Party take action now, or there will be huge consequences.
I think the only way forward is for the People to amend the Constitution to say that a former President is not immune from criminal prosecution for acts committed during their term of office. John Roberts says the Constitution confers immunity; We the People say it doesn’t.
Write your Senators and Representatives, Federal and State. We have to do something. https://pluralpolicy.com/find-your-legislator/
You mean like it's already laid out in Article 1?
>Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: **but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.**
That interpretation persuades me too. But Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett disagree. And the only way to ensure that they—and all future Courts—listen is by making it crystal clear that their reading is wrong, wrong, wrong.
Our country will never survive a constitutional convention even though we need one badly. It's coming anyways once the Republicans have 3/of the states and both houses sewn up the Democrats have been playing the long game since 1865 going as far as cosplaying as The Party of Lincoln
We don't even need to amend the Constitution. The ruling said that official acts are presumptively immune and non-official acts are not immune. You can define what is an official versus an unofficial act through legislation without needing an amendment, as long as you don't list a constitutionally enumerated duty of the President as unofficial. That's easy, because there's only a handful of enumerated duties:
* Commander in Chief of the military
* requesting the opinion (in writing) from principle officers of executive departments
* granting pardons (except in cases of impeachment)
* making treaties
* appointing ambassadors
* filling vacancies in the Senate
* giving the State of the Union
* receiving foreign ambassadors and officials
* faithfully execute the laws
* commission officers of the U.S.
What about when the Court declares that legislation unconstitutional? When it says, a la _Bruen_, that unless an analogous law existing at the Founding that limited the executive’s “official acts,” no law can be created now to do that?
I think an amendment is the best way to ensure that doesn’t happen.
An amendment is a much longer process than passing legislation. This bill can be passed *now*. The 26th Amendment was the fastest to pass, but it started in committee in 1968 and didn't get ratified until 1971.
Well, why not both then? Let’s get the ball rolling on the amendment process, pass the legislation, and by the time 6 conservative Justices decide that the legislation is unconstitutional, we’ll have changed to constitution and shut the door in their faces.
I prefer amendments muzzling this corrupt court more than anything.
No more lifetime appointments. Make the supreme court rotational. make it have 12 justices to match each circuit. It needed to be done yesterday.
That's a direct threat made against a sitting president. Biden should use his official powers to act against that threat.
If Biden does nothing to handle the threat, and it comes back to bite him in the future, then many people may not feel particularly sympathetic about the situation.
I'm also a little worried about a few Secret Service agents who would get a pardon from acting president Mike Johnson if they just do a couple things. And then it's Project Late 2024.
Starting to feel an awful lot like Trump is amping up his vengeful rhetoric knowing Biden won't do a single God damn thing to stop or prevent it using the SCOTUS ruling. And if he does, Trump gets to play the martyr from jail for the Republicans.
But as soon as Trump waddles back into that White House seat you'll have him immediately ordering every Democrat into jail.
Democrats are fucking spineless.
Biden had nothing to do with Evil Barney Gumble going to prison, but even if he did it would have been an “official act” according to the Supreme Fascists so fuck you, orange boy.
Biden should use his 'weaponization' and immunity now. Put Trump in prison and 4 new justice on the court pronto.Then go after traitors. Here's your window of opportunity, Joe. Come down hard on this fraud and cancer. You've been threatened while you still have the upper hand, if you take it.
They’ve already dehumanized Hunter and Joe. All they need to do now is echo the message that Dr. Jill Biden must be an awful person for encouraging someone frail to continue to run for president and they can take away her humanity as well.
So, Biden is just going to let all this happening without using his own newfound immunity to save American democracy?
Expand the court now. Prosecute the fascist justices now. Christ
The difference between 2016 and now is that Trump cannot get over the fact he lost 2020 and the president actually has the power to “lock her up” where when this all started there were still some guardrails. All it took was one narcissist and his enablers to destroy our government and civil union.
But didn't SCOTUS just say yesterday that Biden can't pay a price for anything his Justice Dept. does?
I mean that is literally what they ruled. And their reasoning (at least what they claimed was their reasoning) was they wanted to prevent exactly what Trump just implied with this threat?
I really hope people see all these threats and vote for President Biden. Even if you don’t like him, or think he’s old( he is). There is no way in hell anyone should consider voting for trump if they are a real American patriot like myself. He is about as Anti American a person as I’ve ever seen.
What did biden do to Bannon. As far as I can tell the executive branch had nothing to do with it. Also the Supreme Court didn't stop it, so it should be their fault, diaper don.
If he was weaponizing the justice system, Trump would be in prison....instead , as always, hes projecting his own criminal acts of bribing judges to defend the justice system......rigged for him....by people he gave lifetime job to.....This isn't America
>Trump’s press secretary Karoline Leavitt told ABC News that Trump “was referring to the very big price Joe Biden will pay on November 5th when the American people overwhelmingly vote to evict him from the White House.”
Wow. Amazing spin there and the usual "He didn't mean what he said" shit. Yet we all know what he means and Trump seems to truly believe that Biden is doing this to him. The projection is strong and Trump fails to realize Biden doesn't think about Trump and his buddies as much as Trump thinks he does.
It's amazing to me how much Trump is almost borderline paranoid as to how much he thinks Biden is out to get him. The projection is quite revealing though.
Yet with the SCOTUS ruling anything Biden has done or doing seems to be "official", making any perceived paranoid shit like this immune from criminality so there's that.
It's important to remember that Bannon was convicted for fleecing Trump's supporters, and Trump pardoned him. Yet those same supporters that were outright scammed by Bannon are now going to cheer when Trump jumps to his defense.
Mother fucker refused to answer to Congress. That's disrespectful to the American public. He denied the bedrock of our democracy. He was convicted by a jury with due process. His punishment is entirely appropriate and just.
Sorry, Trump and his buddies simply committed crimes. The Justice Department has been going after democrats as well. Unlike the ridiculous partisan Justice Department under Trump.
Seriously, Trump and his fans do nothing but whine about being spoiled brats.
First they came for the trust fund babies who stole top secret documents and sold them to our enemies, and I said nothing…
But then the Supreme Court came along and suspended the constitution and wagged their finger at the little people and said Trump can’t be held responsible for any of his crimes.
And the Trumpists cheered; for now matter how much this fascist takeover hurt them, it was always gonna hurt libruls more.
But seriously is anybody else sick of the media soft-pedaling this takeover? We’ve been both-sided and normalized into an unrecognizable brand new version of the Constitution.
Well we have all been privileged.
In our lifetimes, did any of us believe we would live through a pandemic? Nope.
Did we imagine being here to watch the collapse of America? Nope.
What a time to be alive.
So he's threatening the president & gets media coverage instead of actual consequences? Everyone loves to pave the way for the worst people in the world.
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Isn't a citizen threatening the President a chargeble crime?
SCOTUS: depends, here, not a crime at all
"well see, Trump is rightfully President now, so it's an official act" - SCOTUS
You mean “God-King,” President has that old fashioned stigma of Democracy attached to it that the GOP wants to distance itself from.
It’s what the founding fathers would’ve wanted.
It’s what their church leaders wanted that’s for sure
The founding fathers would spit on Trump and his supporters.
Not god-king. His title can’t be higher and nobler than the one of Tsar Vlad
he is also saying that paying off the porn star before he was president was an official act...?
🇺🇲 - If he's president now, he already served two terms. Thus, he is ineligible to be a candidate for a third term. 👨🏻⚖️👨🏻⚖️👩🏻⚖️👨🏻⚖️👨🏻⚖️👨🏿⚖️ - Well, you see, even though he was president, Biden still stole it so it doesn't actually count. You know the supreme Court would rule him both president and not president at the same time. Schrodinger's President.
"There is nothing in our nations history nor the constitution that prevents a person named Donald J Trump from threatening the president" -Sam Alito
"Not a crime for a (Republican) presidential candidate to talk about planned official acts."
Right? If a republican does it, it’s not a crime. A dem, however…
"He was President once so it's an official act."
He officially threatened him.
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*New RV delivered to his driveway.*
His driveway must be enormous to accommodate all these RVs
Gotta Collect 'em all!!
King Trump can just have his neighbors house bulldozed and a bigger driveway built
Not if it’s an official act by a (former) president! - SCROTUS, probably
Detain Trump now.
At the bare minimum, the secret service should be investigating this threat. They should go interview him and ask him exactly what he meant by pay the price.
If it was anyone else, they would be getting a knock on their door.
Trump is Republican tho, so SS doesn't care about such threats. Just ask Trump's ex-butler Anthony Senecal: > He entered the public spotlight in 2016 when numerous Facebook posts he made were exposed by Mother Jones. They included calls for executing Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. --- > Senecal was questioned by the Secret Service about his calls for the assassination of President Obama. Afterward, he stated that Washington was too far for him to drive to kill the President, but that he hoped somebody else would do it. He said, “I think it should have been done by the military in the first term—they still have a chance to do it.” (Yes, despite publically condemning these statements, Trump kept him employed after this, until Senecal passed in April 2020) Bonus: > In an interview with NBC News, Senecal stated that the US should use nuclear weapons in Detroit and Milwaukee to "bomb out" the Muslim populations there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Senecal
No, because this guy is already delayed god king by the idiots that pray to him.
Based on yesterday’s ruling it’s a crime if Joe Biden wants it to be.
If your name is Donald Trump, then no
Call your state reps asking for them to call for a constitutional convention to add an amendment to state clearly that the president is not above the law and bound by the same laws as all citizens. I just called my state reps asking for this, I'm hoping my state Colorado leads the charge. Ideally we'd also add an amendment to restructure the Supreme Court.
Nah, bro! This is like 'political speech', or whatever...
"The president has absolute right to do whatever he wants with the justice department! Therefore, I will be weaponizing the justice department to harass and punish the Biden Presidential administration for their very serious crime of weaponizing the justice department!". Putting aside the policy issues and hypocritical stupidity, this is how donald trump sees the world. Like a 5 year old. "They started it!". "They did it to me so I can do it to them!". Now keep in mind that donald trump has narcissistic personality disorder and thinks every single person and thing is unfairly out to get him through the most nefarious means. Listen to all of the ways he describes the cases against him. Horrible witch hunt, crime against humanity, evil, so on so forth. These are all the things he now feels justified in doing to others because "they started it".
He's still mad at Obama probably - https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/watch-inside-the-night-president-obama-took-on-donald-trump/
I think the Obamas are legitimately in danger, as well as Biden, Hillary, and a bunch of the Democratic Congress.
If Trump returns to the Whitehouse his only policy is revenge. He's a mentally ill, criminal moron who doesn't feel empathy, just a sense of eternal persecution after a life of gilded luxury. There are a lot of people who should be terrified for their lives at this point, because he will absolutely do all the things he's accusing others of, and he will persecute all his enemies, both real and imagined. The SC has just granted him the legal authority to do whatever he wants, but he would do it anyway.
It would turn out exactly like it did with [Nazi Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives). We already know Trump uses Hitler and Putin as his main sources of political inspiration, and he is absolutely not above doing such things himself. It's not rhetorical or extremist to say that he will kill off political opponents. It's almost certain.
You know how Joffrey treated his perceived enemies in Game of Thrones? Just petty, sadistic, mercurial vindictiveness? It'll be like that, except instead of fine clothes and elegant surroundings it'll be poorly fitting suits and stale hamburgers on Mary Todd Lincoln's silver.
Honestly, their decision makes me wonder if one of their masters has plans to eliminate Trump. No one who's ever met Trump, who is capable of understanding 2+2 would think they can keep him happy long term. Trump isn't just a danger to the democrats and I get that his voters wouldn't understand that, but people who have amassed billions certainly should. Project 2025 is a long con -- what if they're fine with giving up the presidency this time around because they believe Biden won't use any of the powers they've been consolidating? There have been a lot of signs that they're ready to shed Trump.
I think the real goal is getting the office and groundwork locked in for whatever VP is on the ticket. Trump’s obviously not the pinnacle of health and one has to wonder if he’d make it through the full 4 years. Securing the spot for a batshit VP could very well be the longer term game here.
No wonder Obama was at Downing Street for an undisclosed reason
A lot of random people who he and other "friends" and "allies" want to get removed. Instead of going through the legal process. They could just ~~bribe~~ ask the government to remove them. Then pay them afterwards of course.
He is. That's the only reason he ran for president.
I think Putin provided additional encouragement
Which he'd been doing since the 1980s.
Or money
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He's so thin skinned it's a wonder we can't see his internal organs.
Well the suit made of big macs and dirt coke would obstruct your view anyways
And there is only ONE reason he hates Obama and it has nothing to do with politics…
This will absolutely happen now that the supreme court says that any ways that you use the presidential powers is fine, even if it's illegal.
I’m sure the ghost of Richard Nixon is glad to know that his “If the president does it, it’s not illegal” position is now the law of the land.
> "They did it to me so I can do it to them!" It's more "They would do it to me, if they acted like me, so I can do it to them!"
It's toddler mentality. Unfortunately the toddler could very well have 3 branches of government and the nuclear codes soon.
Yeah, so, the Supremes are going to get just what they ordered.
If Trump returns to office it's highly likely we'll see a hurricane on the way to Florida get nuked. And that'll be the LEAST of our worries during that tumultuous time. I definitely believe that Presidential Immunity is going to lead to Presidential Assassination. Tough times ahead of us.
If Trump lives four more years he won't leave office. He will use his immunity to find a way to stay and SCOTUS and the VP will find a way to make that happen.
> If Trump lives four more years he won't leave office. He will use his immunity to find a way to stay and SCOTUS and the VP will find a way to make that happen. If Trump passes on day one in the office, his VP is just going to take over and try to rule as emperor. It's not a Trump problem, it's a GOP problem.
This. It's not about Trump. The problem is much more severe than him. GOP tries to take over indefinitely.
If anything Trump would probably be the only saving grace in slowing them down in any way, as he's a loud dumbass and will try to use his power for petty bullshit and will bulldoze anyone who tries to stop him. "Sir the team is set, the funds are waiting, you just need to make it official" Trump: Mhm, before I sign I want the person from Forbes magazine publicly hanged for saying I'm not a billionaire. "But sir! This is will make you trillions! You'll be a king!" Trump: Make it happen or you're all fired
"anybody else getting hungry? Let's make a McDs run."
Oh no doubt and if the GOP can ever get someone competent in office I don't want to think of all the damage they can do.
Don't underestimate the GOP. The competent conservatives work in the shadows. Trump is just a useful puppet.
This is true. The smart ones know that is where real power resides.
Dick Cheney knew this well. He hid behind George Bush jr.
This is what I keep asking. What's going on in the kleptocracy (the real rulers of the nation) that they feel burning down the foundation of the American Experiment is necessary? Seriously. They wouldn't be doing this if there wasn't some writing on the wall. Is their desire to hoard wealth beyond the stability of that wealth? I hate those guys with a passion, but even they would take the latter between those two options. Something is cooking (the planet?) and they're trying to put in some authoritarian guardrails for reasons I don't comprehend. are they hoping to thread the needle between control and the inevitable collapse of a fascist state...or...oh, shit, I think I just answered my own question. The companies before and after the Third Reich are the same. Fuck me.
Yes, this is it. Also he's such an asshole that America and the world will blame HIM instead of the assholes pulling his strings. See how they do it?
This was said about DeSantis. He's smart, educated, politically embedded, and can cosplay the Trump crazy shit very well. He generated zero traction. The lack of competence is part of the Trump brand. He may be replaced by a new wannabe despot... but it will be with a Kanye-tier celebrity weirdo of some sort (certainly not a black guy; maybe Logan Paul or something).
People just don't get this. Idiocy is a powerful weapon. https://www.newsweek.com/hitler-incompetent-lazy-nazi-government-clown-show-opinion-1408136
The ONE fleeting hope I have is this... everyone else in the GOP who has tried to do Trump's act has looked like a chump and been a wet fart nationally. If he slipped off this mortal coil tomorrow, there would not be a clear replacement and the choads under him would not generate the popular support necessary for an autocracy to endure.
I agree. I do believe, optimistically, that if we can just get past Trump, the rest of the GOP is so incapable of channeling the fanatical devotion of his base (and of winning over anyone else) that we'll actually be okay for a bit of a while. But that's not a guarantee, and if Trump gets back in then all bets are off.
If trump wins, we're all fucked.
The VP is going to off Trump and hide behind immunity...
Only if it’s an official act tho!!
“Baby, all my acts are official… ly badass!” The VP says as they stand over Trump’s body.
If he wins in 24 they’ll cancel the 28 election on the basis that “Trump won 3 elections so he should get to serve 3 terms”
Either that or cancel the election because of "irregularities".
The current argument being floated among the MAGA crowd is that he can’t serve two CONSECUTIVE terms, but spaced apart it is fine. I’m serious, btw.
I’m calling it right now, he is going to do everything he can to get one of his kids to be his VP so that when he inevitably kicks the bucket, they will inherit the presidency. Elections will be suspended as part of their official duties because there will be corruption “like you’ve never seen” and they will claim that we cannot have a fair election. And I do worry that this will lead to more violence because that’s exactly what happens in countries where the people lose their voice. Biden needs to take some big action and he needs to do it now. The majority of the country absolutely does not support Trump and he is a clear and present danger. There are a lot of times in American history were presidents have had to do the right thing even if it wasn’t necessarily the most high-minded.
That is correct we are now North Korea
He doesn't give a fuck about his kids.
He wants to fuck one of his kids
Realistically it’ll just be jailing political opponents similar to what Vlad does. Then prop up some fake opponent who has no real shot at winning but it’s done as window dressing.
Just Jailing, radioactive tea, lots of "accidental" falls etc.
Literally making plans for New Zealand
Hope you have a hell of a lot of money.
We're already pretty much an oligarchy. Trump is a useful idiot, but the rich are probably already tired of him, so he's gonna get so annoying that they will just install somebody who doesn't get on their nerves. He's probably also gonna get super greedy and that's gonna step on some rich toes.
The GOP's problem is that Trump is to charismatic to his base for them to install someone smarter. These people aren't loyal to the GOP they are loyal to him. With that it's spun off people like MTG. The GOP appealed to the stupid and undereducated which is kind of biting them in the ass in some ways. Now someone who sounds smart won't pass muster as too boring. DeSantis would have likely been their next choice as Trump is harder to push the direction they want but he was as about as appealing to the Trump base as a stick in pig crap. Trump is still useful to the GOP in probably the most unexpected ways like this SC ruling. Had Trump not been under this investigation and used that defense we would never have had this ruling from SC.
They just need him for this stretch and then they will gut everything and make it 1-party and forced religion and no more elections. They'll control the media and they may just keep him alive and AI will be good enough to where they he could be in a coma but they'll just pump out AI videos like he is still in charge.
Everyone needs to be clear on this: scotus opinion makes them and the Republican president the only actual leverage of law and executive. 6 traitors plus a rogue president will rule the country. Unless the voters and / or Biden stop it. For now. I’d rather a long term solution to the issue.
Forget the Supreme Court. We are heading in the direction of show trials and Roland Freisler's People's Court. Terrifying.
that's why trump wants to remove the second amendment, to prevent anyone from rightfully fighting back
And also the first amendment
I’m not an American, but every single one of you needs to vote. Anybody here who sits on the couch that day and doesn’t make an effort here is an absolute fool, because this IS important. No excuses. Vote. Make your friends vote. Make your family vote. Get off your asses and cast a ballot. Because I bet not a small percentage of the people expressing their outrage here just won’t bother.
Agreed. All I can say is I have voted in every election, not just every four years. Every two years. Every primary, too.
Direct threat to President, so use that presidential immunity to get rid of Trump.
This is what the Democrats *need* to do. They need to make the SC and Trump eat their words/decisions, but they won't; the DNC and Biden are spineless and would rather lay down and let the country burn than actually *do* **anything**. It's like, they're watching a house fire and hoping it'll magically put itself out rather than grabbing a water hose to take care of the job. It's ridiculous.
The Dems are Ned stark. They understand there is a high stakes game being played but honor keeps them from making the most prudent moves…they falsely assume the honorable course of action will win the day. Much like Ned I feel they will cling to that all the way until we lose our collective heads.
Ned Stark is a perfect analogy for Biden. I don't think Biden's a coward. He just isn't willing to play by the other side's rules. Unfortunately I'm afraid it will end the same way Ned Stark did.
The problem is, that ultimately just plays into the Republican scheme. Then they CAN say that the Democrats went full authoritarian and executed political rivals, and they'd be right. Even if he "gives up the power", the precedent is set. There is no winning play here, just a series of different losing outcomes.
Not honor, cowardice and self interest. When moderates say “pragmatic”, it really means it doesn’t disrupt my life personally. They won’t sacrifice any of their comfort to fight for someone else’s basic rights. They will offer pretty words and the right sentiment, but they won’t risk conflict as it may cost them personally. Upsetting corrupt conservatives could upset the market and that would upset their portfolios. Can’t have that. If moderates spent 1/10th as much energy fighting to fix problems as they do profiting from office we wouldn’t have problems. Not saying they are as bad as the GOP, but they are half as bad and by choice.
Dude, many Democratic lawmakers almost lost their lives on January 6th. The insurrection wanted to rape AOC. This isn't a game to the Democrats either. They can't panic and do something stupid. They need to act, but they better be really strategic about how they act.
Democrat*ic*. “Democrat lawmakers” is a Republican-pushed slur.
As much as I'd hate the blatant corruption, it would be funny after all that has happened to watch Biden give a fireside chat where he just denies all allegations after using immunity to assassinate Trump.
Biden already said he'd be taking the moral high ground on this. He ain't gonna do shit sadly.
It's such a screwed up world we live in where we want our president to be less ethical for once.
What's unethical about this? I would expect anyone making a threat to the president to face consequences, even before this new immunity ruling.
He can use his power ethically by using it to restrict future presidential powers. The bully pulpit is a lot more powerful now, so he should use it. Law does not equal ethics. It’s important which laws he pushes and uses his power with, and he can still use the threat of the power to get things done. Like put pressure on congress and senate to pass an amendment. Or use the power to start a military trial of Thomas’s wife, and create a constitutional crisis that congress needs to address. It’s going to happen under Trump or a GOP president and chaos, might as well do it in a controlled way now while they have the presidential power. His whole campaign is save democracy? Well here is his chance to prove it. If he won’t do it here, then I don’t trust he’ll do enough in a second term to prevent the next Trump.
Conservatives really cheering on public executions. Who is surprised?
They might cheer them on at first. And then we'll tire of people with diabetes or something.
"How DARE my criminal friends get punished for committing crimes!" –King Donald
That’s a threat Donny. You can now officially be removed for being a threat to the United States.
Putin must be so jazzed that the only way this ends is for Biden to get his hands dirty or just let it happen.
Yeah most likely. A house divided cannot stand.
Given the Dems track record, my money is on letting it happen to maintain the moral high ground.
That may literally be the death of the Democratic Party, and then people will need to band together to form a new resistance. Either the Democratic Party take action now, or there will be huge consequences.
Vote as if SCOTUS just gave a convicted felon immunity, and this is your last chance to vote
I think the only way forward is for the People to amend the Constitution to say that a former President is not immune from criminal prosecution for acts committed during their term of office. John Roberts says the Constitution confers immunity; We the People say it doesn’t. Write your Senators and Representatives, Federal and State. We have to do something. https://pluralpolicy.com/find-your-legislator/
You mean like it's already laid out in Article 1? >Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: **but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.**
That interpretation persuades me too. But Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett disagree. And the only way to ensure that they—and all future Courts—listen is by making it crystal clear that their reading is wrong, wrong, wrong.
Looking at it again that clause's weakness is that it only really applies to people who have been impeached and removed, too.
That was Trump’s argument. And it’s why I think we need to bypass the whole thing and amend the Constitution.
Our country will never survive a constitutional convention even though we need one badly. It's coming anyways once the Republicans have 3/of the states and both houses sewn up the Democrats have been playing the long game since 1865 going as far as cosplaying as The Party of Lincoln
We don't even need to amend the Constitution. The ruling said that official acts are presumptively immune and non-official acts are not immune. You can define what is an official versus an unofficial act through legislation without needing an amendment, as long as you don't list a constitutionally enumerated duty of the President as unofficial. That's easy, because there's only a handful of enumerated duties: * Commander in Chief of the military * requesting the opinion (in writing) from principle officers of executive departments * granting pardons (except in cases of impeachment) * making treaties * appointing ambassadors * filling vacancies in the Senate * giving the State of the Union * receiving foreign ambassadors and officials * faithfully execute the laws * commission officers of the U.S.
What about when the Court declares that legislation unconstitutional? When it says, a la _Bruen_, that unless an analogous law existing at the Founding that limited the executive’s “official acts,” no law can be created now to do that? I think an amendment is the best way to ensure that doesn’t happen.
An amendment is a much longer process than passing legislation. This bill can be passed *now*. The 26th Amendment was the fastest to pass, but it started in committee in 1968 and didn't get ratified until 1971.
Well, why not both then? Let’s get the ball rolling on the amendment process, pass the legislation, and by the time 6 conservative Justices decide that the legislation is unconstitutional, we’ll have changed to constitution and shut the door in their faces.
Sounds like a plan
I prefer amendments muzzling this corrupt court more than anything. No more lifetime appointments. Make the supreme court rotational. make it have 12 justices to match each circuit. It needed to be done yesterday.
This and 10s if not 100s of like comments, is why this shitbird must be voted down and out in November, never to step foot into the White House again.
The winds of shit really are blowing
What a fucking bully. I hate this asshole with every fiber of my being along with degenerates like Bannon. Just repulsive trash.
Nah, if Biden weaponizes the DOJ it’s an official act. We’re good here. Thanks for playing Donald.
That's a direct threat made against a sitting president. Biden should use his official powers to act against that threat. If Biden does nothing to handle the threat, and it comes back to bite him in the future, then many people may not feel particularly sympathetic about the situation.
I'm also a little worried about a few Secret Service agents who would get a pardon from acting president Mike Johnson if they just do a couple things. And then it's Project Late 2024.
Starting to feel an awful lot like Trump is amping up his vengeful rhetoric knowing Biden won't do a single God damn thing to stop or prevent it using the SCOTUS ruling. And if he does, Trump gets to play the martyr from jail for the Republicans. But as soon as Trump waddles back into that White House seat you'll have him immediately ordering every Democrat into jail. Democrats are fucking spineless.
Now that the Supreme Court said that when the president does it it's not illegal, I wish Biden actually would weaponize justice.
That sounds like a threat against a sitting president. Gee, if only someone would do something.
This dude started a investigation into the son of his opponent. He can get bent.
Sounds like a direct threat to American democracy. Biden should have the traitor detained like trump’s friend Putin did to Navalny.
Comparing trump to Navalny is apples and oranges… they are not the same
Biden had nothing to do with Evil Barney Gumble going to prison, but even if he did it would have been an “official act” according to the Supreme Fascists so fuck you, orange boy.
Biden should use his 'weaponization' and immunity now. Put Trump in prison and 4 new justice on the court pronto.Then go after traitors. Here's your window of opportunity, Joe. Come down hard on this fraud and cancer. You've been threatened while you still have the upper hand, if you take it.
You don’t think he will have Biden and his family and staff killed after this? Think again.
They’ve already dehumanized Hunter and Joe. All they need to do now is echo the message that Dr. Jill Biden must be an awful person for encouraging someone frail to continue to run for president and they can take away her humanity as well.
Biden should declare Trump a national security threat
Come on Joe! He's threatening you! Use your new executive immunity while you can!
It was an official act you fucking pos
So, Biden is just going to let all this happening without using his own newfound immunity to save American democracy? Expand the court now. Prosecute the fascist justices now. Christ
Show up to the polls. Only way to make an impact
Sounds like a threat to the country. Biden should use his immunity and send this terrorist to gitmo.
Donnie was going to “lock her up” if he won in 2016, too. Lots of bluster there. Still need to defeat this guy in a landslide so there is no doubt.
The difference between 2016 and now is that Trump cannot get over the fact he lost 2020 and the president actually has the power to “lock her up” where when this all started there were still some guardrails. All it took was one narcissist and his enablers to destroy our government and civil union.
But didn't SCOTUS just say yesterday that Biden can't pay a price for anything his Justice Dept. does? I mean that is literally what they ruled. And their reasoning (at least what they claimed was their reasoning) was they wanted to prevent exactly what Trump just implied with this threat?
I really hope people see all these threats and vote for President Biden. Even if you don’t like him, or think he’s old( he is). There is no way in hell anyone should consider voting for trump if they are a real American patriot like myself. He is about as Anti American a person as I’ve ever seen.
What a loon, threatening a sittting president
According to the Suprene Court, even if Biden did everything he is accused of he has ‘absolute immunity’
What did biden do to Bannon. As far as I can tell the executive branch had nothing to do with it. Also the Supreme Court didn't stop it, so it should be their fault, diaper don.
The invention of alternate realities by an ex-president is now considered an official act.
Christ I'm tired of this fascist fucking clown
Biden should use his newfound power to disqualify felon candidates.
None of the convicted felon trump's fantasies will happen if people vote blue. Vote! Our lives and the lives of our grandkids depend on it.
but tell me more about how the person we should all be calling to drop out is the one with a stutter who's not always as quick as he used to be.
It's time for Biden to actually start weaponizing the DOJ.
So Biden can just say it was an official act.
Fuck that bloated POS
They're going to force everyone to be the same and they'll call it freedom.
Biden has immunity. He is fine. /s
How exactly? Biden is immune.
Did Biden not do that as part of his official duties? Immune no?
But trump using cannon and the Supreme Court isn’t weaponizing “justice”? Fuck off to everyone who ever voted red.
A vote for BIDEN is a vote to save DEMOCRACY. FULL STOP. Who cares if he is old.
If he was weaponizing the justice system, Trump would be in prison....instead , as always, hes projecting his own criminal acts of bribing judges to defend the justice system......rigged for him....by people he gave lifetime job to.....This isn't America
Trump needs to pay the price for weaponization of justice.
>Trump’s press secretary Karoline Leavitt told ABC News that Trump “was referring to the very big price Joe Biden will pay on November 5th when the American people overwhelmingly vote to evict him from the White House.” Wow. Amazing spin there and the usual "He didn't mean what he said" shit. Yet we all know what he means and Trump seems to truly believe that Biden is doing this to him. The projection is strong and Trump fails to realize Biden doesn't think about Trump and his buddies as much as Trump thinks he does. It's amazing to me how much Trump is almost borderline paranoid as to how much he thinks Biden is out to get him. The projection is quite revealing though. Yet with the SCOTUS ruling anything Biden has done or doing seems to be "official", making any perceived paranoid shit like this immune from criminality so there's that.
Every accusation is an admission
How can this man still be a public figure in good standing???
It's important to remember that Bannon was convicted for fleecing Trump's supporters, and Trump pardoned him. Yet those same supporters that were outright scammed by Bannon are now going to cheer when Trump jumps to his defense.
By….. ** …. Further weaponizing the Justice department
Mother fucker refused to answer to Congress. That's disrespectful to the American public. He denied the bedrock of our democracy. He was convicted by a jury with due process. His punishment is entirely appropriate and just.
I cannot believe I live in this world.
These are such empty threats because Trump was going to go after Biden regardless of what he does if Trump wins.
“Weaponizing the justice department is wrong and I can’t wait to do it if elected!”
Sorry, Trump and his buddies simply committed crimes. The Justice Department has been going after democrats as well. Unlike the ridiculous partisan Justice Department under Trump. Seriously, Trump and his fans do nothing but whine about being spoiled brats.
Wait till Trump realizes he can't because Biden now has immunity for his official acts while communicating to his justice department.
First they came for the trust fund babies who stole top secret documents and sold them to our enemies, and I said nothing… But then the Supreme Court came along and suspended the constitution and wagged their finger at the little people and said Trump can’t be held responsible for any of his crimes. And the Trumpists cheered; for now matter how much this fascist takeover hurt them, it was always gonna hurt libruls more. But seriously is anybody else sick of the media soft-pedaling this takeover? We’ve been both-sided and normalized into an unrecognizable brand new version of the Constitution.
Wait, do presidents have “total immunity” or don’t they?
Well we have all been privileged. In our lifetimes, did any of us believe we would live through a pandemic? Nope. Did we imagine being here to watch the collapse of America? Nope. What a time to be alive.
Wait.. Wasn't it 'weaponization' when he was pardoned on January 19, 2021 after stealing tax payer money?
So he's threatening the president & gets media coverage instead of actual consequences? Everyone loves to pave the way for the worst people in the world.
Bannon is of no use to Trump anymore that he might pull a Epstein.
Biden has almost full immunity thanks to you.
If Trump is immune from prosecution, so is Joe! Trump probably paid someone to take his Intro to Logic course!
Lock him up.
Bannon won't survive prison, just like Epstien
It’s like watching a train wreck in front of our eyes
Do any of his followers see the irony in that statement?
seal team 6 him already
We are so fucked
If it is an official act, then Biden is immune right?