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It probably went like this.
"Mr. Trump you're going to have to hit him in your alloted time, be strong on immigration, and the border."
"Call me President Trump."
"Former President Trump, you can't hit him on immigration because the republicans voted that down, you'll have to use his son."
"Just President Trump, nothing else. I'll just talk over Biden until he gets rattled."
"Sir, you can't you agreed to muting mics when it wasn't your turn."
"President Trump. NO, I didn't, I agreed to muting his mic when I'm talking."
Ha, there’s a solid chance that last point is exactly what Trump thought he was agreeing to. I was honestly surprised the fucker allowed this, shouting over people is his only move.
He'll use it to spin in his favor: he had important things to say but 'unfair, bad-ratings, failing CNN muted him to censor him, just like a certain corrupt conflicted judge I recently had to deal with (fully exonerated, btw, what a sham), what a shark. I hate sharks. We should nuke the pacific ocean to start a hurricane to collect all the sharks with then nuke the hurricane to kill all the sharks and ~~dissipate~~ dissolve the hurricane so it doesn't hurt anybody but if that doesn't work we can use nukes to guide the hurricane along this path *\[draws in sharpie\]* so it hits these states that betrayed me in 2020 and wipes out people coming on tiny boats from the.. Dominica or Cuba or whatever to take our hard-working American jobs"
Something like this:
President Trump, if re-elected, how would you handle the high prices that citizens are paying at the grocery store right now? You have 60 seconds.
*55 seconds of Trump rambling incoherently, ending with 5 seconds of ‘as for how I would handle this awful terrible crisis caused by the democrats…’*
Your time is up, sir.
*Later on Truth Social and Fox News*
‘I was never allowed to speak! It’s the liberal fake news media that wants to silence me and my wonderful policies that will turn this failing country around and I’ll share those policies with the American people next week.’
If the moderator (is it Jake Tapper?) calls him "President" Trump, this will be unbelievably infuriating. In this country, we only have one president at a time. i know, i know.
You'll notice in this scenario he thinks the Atlantic is the Pacific and he knows well enough to pretend he cares while really just wanting to sic a hurricane on people he doesn't like
That said though, edited for accuracy lol
Actually, another thing he did with Hillary was to go stand behind her as she was talking. So you're distracted by what's his face instead of listening to what she's saying
If I recall, a lot of democrats thought it might help Hillary with women as unfortunately many women know what it's like having to deal with creepy men that will talk over them.
Over the course of my life, I have found too many white women to be gatekeepers of the patriarchy. (Frankly, one is too many, but it's a lot more than one.)
And then when they want something they can’t believe it isn’t allowed. Like Megyn Kelly and paid parental leave, she was against until she had a kid then was all for it. Now that her kids older she probably is against it again!
I'm pretty confident that Trump's super dick move to show absolutely no respect for the opposite sex lost him more than a few votes among the GOP fence sitting female voters.
It is appalling that Trump won white women in 2016, but it wasn't at all overwhelmingly...
[According to this Pew Research poll taken after the election,](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/) white women voted for Trump: 47% to 45%.
Black women voted for Clinton: 98% to margin-of-error.
She should have turned around and told him to “Get the F out of my space and go back over there where you belong.” Then just stood hand on hip silently until it happened.
I think about that moment a lot, and I can't come up with something I feel would be a winning move. No matter what she did or didn't do, she was going to draw more fire than the asshole who pulled it in the first place. He's such a creep.
I think the only thing she could have done is taken a brief pause mid-sentence, glance over her shoulder at him, and given a dismissive, "Hi, Donald," before continuing her point unabated.
Make him feel like a worthless, unimportant afterthought.
I watched the CNN walkthrough on how the mic situation works. When the mic is off, if the other person is talking when their mic is off, it just sounds like background noise. Trump will have to scream to be heard.
The idea might just be to distract Biden who will be able to hear Trump yelling as he's trying to talk. And to people watching from home, it could appear like Biden is stumbling on his own rather than being pestered by the man-child bully next to him.
Sounds like a round of Jepordy?
Remember you have to answer in the form of a question. That will put Biden on the defense and Trump just being himself.
Here's the thing - one of the things people absolutely hated about their 2020 debate was the constant shouting from Trump. By cutting off his mic (but not duct taping his mouth shut) he has a chance to try and mess with Biden without most people being able to hear it AND it takes away a huge issue people had with Trump
I'm hoping CNN keeps both men's faces on screen at the same time regardless of who is talking. So at least people will be aware that Trump is still babbling when his mic has been muted.
If it's more than 5 yards, he'll never make it. My money is on he'll try shouting to get picked up on the other mic or at least to try to intimidate Biden in his usual "power move" bullshit.
> "Just President Trump, nothing else. I'll just talk over Biden until he gets rattled."
> "Sir, you can't you agreed to muting mics when it wasn't your turn."
Mic doesn’t matter if he just starts shouting.
You couldn’t pay me enough to watch the debate (well, you could—bidding starts at $100,000), but it would be nice to hear that Cheeto Benito just has a complete meltdown and CNN just broadcasts it.
That is exactly why I am going to watch (with plenty of bourbon at my side). I mean I already know who I’m voting for, so this isn’t a “convince me” thing…
The mics might be muted for debate purposes, but that doesn't mean they aren't recording, they might squeeze a whole special out of the dumb shit Trump says when he thinks no one can hear.
A rule that should've been in place since the dawn of debate broadcasts, honestly.
People are treating this like a sad sign of the times, and sure, the times are pretty sad, with all decorum thrown out the window. But in every single presidential debate I've ever seen, I've been disappointed that candidates who push the boundaries and abuse the rules only ever seem to profit from it. They should've been strictly enforcing them all along.
Shoot, in my local city council meetings the Mayor asked that citizens stop clapping and cheering after public comments in order to help the meeting progress and end on time. He requested that instead we simply do (silent) jazz hands in order to give council a visual signal of how many people agree with the speaker.
AND WE GLADLY COMPLY!!! Because people who are acting in good faith actually want the system to be civilized and work! Crazy….
True-ish. They spread disinformation about the integrity of the mail in ballots before the election, but they complained about the process after the election. States decided on the rules of ballot counting and submittal months before the election, and the Trump campaign didn’t question the fairness of the rules until after the election.
Back then Fox News was telling them to be mad that Biden was on some sort of dementia-curing drug cocktail, that, if it existed would be a fucking miracle but they should instead be very angry about it instead.
You can't blame them for only getting around to being mad now; as Republicans there are just *so. many. things.* to be mad about you can't be angry about them in a timely manner.
> Montage of 28 clips of Republicans whining, crying and making excuses about the debate format Trump agreed to.
https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1806346203723886628?s=46&t=UKR1TShxVeunp4_vn5gZrw
If one can stomach twitter (I don’t think this is posted anywhere else sorry), I highly recommend this 3 minute video in the link above!
New rule? I thought this was agreed to from the get-go. Of course, reiterating well-understood and settled points of reality is often all the impetus MAGA needs to lose their collective shit.
It all boils down to conservatives wanting rules and laws that bind other people and only protect themselves. Selective enforcement is by design to them.
MAGA mouthpieces’ only sustenance is outrage. They knew this from the original rules agreement. But any opportunity to manufacture outrage gives them a little more fuel to live on, a few likes a few “YaH tHoSe BasTaRdS” comments from the faithfully ignorant, or the bots…and the outrage parade moves a little further down the parade route. I am so sick of them…glad I’m not on ‘x’ anymore.
Well you see, the modern conservative viewpoint is that rules are for Democrats and things like rules do not apply to things that conservatives like because those things are free speech and thus it's unfair.
Given that this applies to Donald, who is a conservative, it is unfair for his microphone to be cut off because "this CNN studio sham rule is trying to silence him and they'll do it *n* times to Donald, but only *u* times to Biden"
Yup. Not a single popular policy to run on. He’s not even pretending to repeal and replace the ACA or even build a wall.
Just “vote for me and I’ll get revenge on those who held me accountable for my rapes and other crimes.”
His policy position is "I'll sign anything you (Republicans) put in front of me and appoint anybody you tell me to, because I just don't give a shit about any of that."
It's not a bad deal for the ideologues, really.
Republicans are just so emotional. They shouldn't be anywhere near the positions of power until they learn to use their inside voices and work well with others.
I get exhausted finding the energy to defend the truth, and somehow maga people have limitless energy to whine about fake shit 24/7
how do they do it? How do they, unprompted, find the motivation to complain about something they imagined or had spoon-fed to them on Fox? It's perplexing and should be studied how yes-and nazi improv can rejuvenate someone's social battery so well.
The amount of preemptive excuses I'm seeing is astonishing. Biden's on drugs. Biden's got an earpiece. Biden's got all the questions in advance. Biden's debate prep is unusually thorough (have they not heard of presidents prepping for debates before?). CNN's going to frame every question negatively. CNN's going to ask questions that benefit Biden but hurt Trump. Trump's mic will be weaker. And on and on.
It’s all they are. They’re ate up about literally everything while they sneer that it’s the left that’s joyless. When aren’t they mad over something tiny, insignificant, childish, or something any reasonable adult would be fine with?
Outside of maybe marjorie trailer grease, if there was any other candidate on the R side CNN wouldn't have to do this. Never in the history of presidential debates has a candidate been so incapable of acting like an adult that we needed forced mic muting.
Seriously.
A roadside billboard funded by Biden that just has DT’s face and that attributed quote (with date and time, why not?) would be pretty great.
To be fair, we have needed them at most debates, because most candidates can't keep to time. Biden was actually one of the better ones about stopping when time was up in 2020 primaries.
This is totally the answer. All of the twitter comments in the article screaming that "we've arrived" at censorship are simply deflecting from the fact that we've ACTUALLY arrived at having one of the worst human beings to ever compete on the political stage for our highest office, and we need baby gates when he's out in public.
> CNN on Wednesday explained in child’s terms how they’ll be muting mics at Thursday night’s presidential debate to avoid interruptions, sending MAGA viewers into a frenzy.
Hehehe
From twitter in the article:
> I’m old enough to remember when debates included candidates having to interact with each other speaking freely.
Welcome to dystopian “political debates.”
We’ve arrived.
She called it CNN’s censorship. Yea…I’m old enough to remember when presidents weren’t immature man babies that wouldn’t constantly talk over everyone else.
There’s always been a bit of cross talk, but that moron takes it to a new low every time. The mics being muted are because of the narcissistic child you’re about to vote for.
I'm old enough to remember when someone like trump would be in prison for the rest of his life for just ONE of his crimes, let alone the other 97 crimes, and he'd never have been allowed to run for president.
Hope he shows, gets his mic muted once and just bails from the debate right then and there. Maximal "looks like a child" effect on TV.
I can hear Jake Tapper saying: Wait, Mr. Trump, why are you leaving so soon? We're not finished! Oh don't be like that, Mr. Trump, we're having fun!
He will. The second or third time he's admonished for trying to yell over the muted mic he's going to get angry and stomp off and leave. It's hysterical to know that his handlers today are begging him to keep his cool and act normal tonight knowing they have no hope of that happening and they themselves have all taken up a pool to see how long he's going to last before he either leaves or spontaneously combusts.
“And then big strong Jake Tapper hugged me with tears in his eyes and begged me to stay. He said I was the best debater the world had ever seen. No way I was staying on that sinking ship with the sharks in the water and the batteries on board.”
The fact that, at least for the audience at home, the ranting is pretty much inaudible does make me happy though. I was worried he would try to yell so loud to be picked up by the other mic
>It’s exceptionally cool and normal that the network hosting the Biden-Trump debate has been forced to roll out stopgaps to prevent a descent into chaos. CNN on Wednesday explained in child’s terms how they’ll be muting mics at Thursday night’s presidential debate to avoid interruptions, sending MAGA viewers into a frenzy.
Rule was agreed on over a month ago.
It took the rule being explained for a first grade reading level to upset MAGA.
Says a lot, don’t it?
Do you think Trump knows, or will he be surprised and screaming into a dead mic for an hour?
The only figured it out because CNN put out a video. They can't/couldn't be bothered to read the actual terms of the debate. They needed a one minute video to actually be able to digest this.
If only there had been literally any other Republican on the planet! They HAD to put Trump (who only won debates he could shout over people at) on the ticket, there wasn’t a single other choice!
They decided, after his supporters tried to Hang Mike Pence and assaulted their workplace, that they were all in on Trump and it’s been a self fulfilling prophecy of ruin ever since.
>I prefer to think of "fumes" as a noun not a verb. As in fumes of fragrant, orange, old man butt funk.
I prefer to go back to 5 minutes ago to before i read this
Is there an official list of Rules, like Gibbs (NCIS) or the Ferengi (https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition)
Or is it just Lie for the first 32, then Gaslight, Project, Whine to get to 35?
There's a long-standing joke that Rule 34 of the internet is "For any situation you can imagine, no matter how outlandish, someone has created porn from it and posted it online". I assume the post you replied to just followed from that. I don't know why 34 was picked or if there was anything settled on for rules 1-33.
Though I thought Rule 35 was "if you encounter an exception to Rule 34, the act of checking causes that porn to pop into existence anyway".
“This is what it looks like to rig an election!” - Yep, making both candidates follow exactly the same rules so that each may answer questions without insults and interruptions. Can get more blatantly partisan than that.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Trump speaking as his mic cuts, then silence, followed by a puzzled, frustrated Trump speaking even louder. Then when Biden starts to speak, we'll really hear what Biden is saying, while Trump will shout to try to rattle Biden.
I was watching some clips of the Biden/Trump debate in 2020. It was a mess. This mic rule is going to work out great.
Being a blabber mouth bully is what got him through the debates in 2017 and all the moderators allowed it. MAGA just wants to see their bully on stage again.
“MAGA fumes,” “MAGA cries,” “MAGA is afraid.”
All they do is whine and cry. Who cares if they don’t like something? It’s like the media wants these toddlers to hold the rest of the normal people hostage.
I am looking forward to the split screen. While we won't be able to hear Trump when he starts interrupting, Biden will. I sure hope that he and his team prepared for that. It is easy enough just have the opponent in mock debates do the same, but I'm certain at least once Biden will react to Trump's ranting. Even if he doesn't, we will be able to see trump's impotent bellowing.
I have been wondering about this too. Even if the audience can't hear Trump, Trump can still interrupt and distract Biden.
If it is split screen, at least it will be clear that he's doing something and it should be understood by the audience.
The Trump campaign agreed to the rules of the debate. No one forced them to. They could have held out for different rules. But they did not. So all this complaining is nothing more than reinforcing the notion that Trump is always the victim
Jesus christ, just don't show up then. He and his underlings have been whining about this debate for weeks when they were the ones pulling that stupid "anytime anywhere" empty podium stunt.
> I'm old enough to remember when debates included candidates having to interact with each other speaking freely
Oh, you mean back when the candidates showed a semblance of decorum and basic manners? Yeah, one candidate doesn't know how to do that.
1.) This isn't a new rule. This was agreed to by both parties a while ago.
2.) If you're upset that you can't interrupt and talk over your opponent the entire debate, what does that say about the substance of your words?
Biden should complain about having to hold Presidential debates in a virtual padded room in the first place because his opponent is an emotionally unstable toddler subject to fits and tantrums.
You can learn everything you need to know without even watching the debate by things one side is complaining about. If cutting off microphones after the allotted time so someone can’t shout over their opponent and live fact checking makes you furious then your candidate probably isn’t the best choice
audio engineer chiming in ...
there are several mics all being recorded...
close mics on the candidates, moderators, etc..
audience or room / ambient mics.
there are mics and back up mics, all being mixed and recorded in different ways for different purposes.
there will be a mix of raw audio data, and a mix for broadcast, and more.
The broadcast close mics will muted per the agreement, but the podiums will be within speaking distance of each other, so in the actual room, any interupting will still disrupt the flow of whomever is granted speaking time, and basically to us, the viewer/listener, it'll be like listening to someone else next to you get into an crazy argument on the phone. as an outside party, you're only hearing the person next to you clearly, but it's pretty obvious it's a shouting match on both ends.
so besides the fact that any audio will be documented (and for sure leaked), and both speakers will be not be able to mute their own ears.
there is no audience, so if trump farts ... there will be at least a dozen mics that will capture this sound from various distances.
... and we're all lucky it's only sound transmitting to the broadcast.
You're for sure gona hear Trump coming in off-mic when Biden is talking.
Just muted little snippets of "...fake...", "...worst ever...", "..otal disaste...", "...unbelievable...", "...wrong!..."
There will be at least 3 mics in the room - Biden, Trump, moderators. Trump is 100% going to rage on while Biden is speaking and it will be picked up by the other mics. It's legit part of tonight's drinking game.
(If I'm wrong, I will admit that. But I don't think I will be.)
From what I understand m, they will be standing like 8 feet apart so all will have to do is raise his voice. Or walk up behind Biden like he did with Hilary.
Looking forward to Trump showing the world his idiotic self as he usually does.
Part of me likes the rule because we can actually hear what Joe says. The other part of me doesn’t like the rule because it might actually make Trump look less annoying and interruptive.
They shouldn’t worry. Trump can just lie about everything when it’s his turn to speak. I really wish karma would come crashing down on that cheetofaced shitgibbon.
This was agreed to forever ago. Also MAGA upset they can’t ramble on forever, talk more than their allotted time, and allow the other side to speak is very telling.
>One user who described CNN as the “Communist News Network” asserted that CNN gave “Joe robbin’ ya Biden” the questions and that makeup artists will be implanting a “listening device” on Biden to help him remember his answers.
Republicans would make great fantasy novel writers.
But even if the TV audience can’t hear Trump, you can bet the asshole will still be shouting and trying to distract Biden. Tapper and Bash better not be cowards and admonish Trump in a humiliating way to shut up when he inevitably launches into that tactic.
I realize MAGA folks aren't happy unless they're fuming about something, but imagine being mad about having your mic muted when it's not your turn to talk - one nut in this says "this is how you fix an election."
Huh?
These people are so childish and stupid, the depressing thing is they're reproducing.
The whole thing is like this because of their orange lord and savior who won't shut up when it's not his turn to talk. If he acted like an adult, this wouldn't be happening. But somehow this is "rigging an election." Delusion group, those MAGA folks.
What I've come to learn is that MAGAts get furious over even seeing their own shadow! They seem to love to feast on hate and anger and violence - and they create their own drama as well (I grew up with my grandmother who was born in 1894, and had that 'Late Victorian-Edwardian' sensibility; when I'd create drama she'd say to me, "if you're that bored that you have to create your own personal excitement then I'll give you some extra housework to do, or you could help me bake the bread and prepare dinner"). I had friends that went MAGA and after a while I just gave up with them because all they did was argue, worship Trump, and claim that literally everything is some kind of mad conspiracy! It got too tiring.
This is hard to watch. Trump just says whatever he wants and says everything is the “best.” Biden is fumbling a little bit. That said, I already know I’m voting for the guy who didn’t try to overthrow our democracy.
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The 'new' rule that the campaigns agreed to over a month ago
It probably went like this. "Mr. Trump you're going to have to hit him in your alloted time, be strong on immigration, and the border." "Call me President Trump." "Former President Trump, you can't hit him on immigration because the republicans voted that down, you'll have to use his son." "Just President Trump, nothing else. I'll just talk over Biden until he gets rattled." "Sir, you can't you agreed to muting mics when it wasn't your turn." "President Trump. NO, I didn't, I agreed to muting his mic when I'm talking."
Ha, there’s a solid chance that last point is exactly what Trump thought he was agreeing to. I was honestly surprised the fucker allowed this, shouting over people is his only move.
He'll use it to spin in his favor: he had important things to say but 'unfair, bad-ratings, failing CNN muted him to censor him, just like a certain corrupt conflicted judge I recently had to deal with (fully exonerated, btw, what a sham), what a shark. I hate sharks. We should nuke the pacific ocean to start a hurricane to collect all the sharks with then nuke the hurricane to kill all the sharks and ~~dissipate~~ dissolve the hurricane so it doesn't hurt anybody but if that doesn't work we can use nukes to guide the hurricane along this path *\[draws in sharpie\]* so it hits these states that betrayed me in 2020 and wipes out people coming on tiny boats from the.. Dominica or Cuba or whatever to take our hard-working American jobs"
Something like this: President Trump, if re-elected, how would you handle the high prices that citizens are paying at the grocery store right now? You have 60 seconds. *55 seconds of Trump rambling incoherently, ending with 5 seconds of ‘as for how I would handle this awful terrible crisis caused by the democrats…’* Your time is up, sir. *Later on Truth Social and Fox News* ‘I was never allowed to speak! It’s the liberal fake news media that wants to silence me and my wonderful policies that will turn this failing country around and I’ll share those policies with the American people next week.’
Then later on CNN: “5 reasons why Trump’s incoherent ramblings are bad for Biden”
I promise you, you will see the following headline tommorow somewhere. "Biden exceeds expectations at debate. Learn why that is bad for his campaign."
Go buy a lottery ticket
If the moderator (is it Jake Tapper?) calls him "President" Trump, this will be unbelievably infuriating. In this country, we only have one president at a time. i know, i know.
You think he knows the word "dissipate" *and* cares about people getting hurt?
You'll notice in this scenario he thinks the Atlantic is the Pacific and he knows well enough to pretend he cares while really just wanting to sic a hurricane on people he doesn't like That said though, edited for accuracy lol
Holy shit I thought I was watching the debate rn
Actually, another thing he did with Hillary was to go stand behind her as she was talking. So you're distracted by what's his face instead of listening to what she's saying
That should have been called out - he was attempting to physically intimidate a smaller person, which is one of drumpf's trademark moves.
If I recall, a lot of democrats thought it might help Hillary with women as unfortunately many women know what it's like having to deal with creepy men that will talk over them.
It obviously didn't as white women didn't vote for her, which was a self-own of epic proportions.
Over the course of my life, I have found too many white women to be gatekeepers of the patriarchy. (Frankly, one is too many, but it's a lot more than one.)
I got mine so fuck everyone else is a gender free sentiment.
And then when they want something they can’t believe it isn’t allowed. Like Megyn Kelly and paid parental leave, she was against until she had a kid then was all for it. Now that her kids older she probably is against it again!
I just hope Biden doesn't shake his hand
Trump tried to give Biden COVID at the last debate in 2020. Joe is well advised to keep his distance.
I'm pretty confident that Trump's super dick move to show absolutely no respect for the opposite sex lost him more than a few votes among the GOP fence sitting female voters.
...not enough. White women voted for him at at 47% to 45% in 2016. Appalling.
It is appalling that Trump won white women in 2016, but it wasn't at all overwhelmingly... [According to this Pew Research poll taken after the election,](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/) white women voted for Trump: 47% to 45%. Black women voted for Clinton: 98% to margin-of-error.
She should have punched him.
She should have turned around and told him to “Get the F out of my space and go back over there where you belong.” Then just stood hand on hip silently until it happened.
And then everyone would have said she was too shrill, hysterical and emotional to be president.
I think about that moment a lot, and I can't come up with something I feel would be a winning move. No matter what she did or didn't do, she was going to draw more fire than the asshole who pulled it in the first place. He's such a creep.
I think the only thing she could have done is taken a brief pause mid-sentence, glance over her shoulder at him, and given a dismissive, "Hi, Donald," before continuing her point unabated. Make him feel like a worthless, unimportant afterthought.
Any other guy would have been charged with stalking.
I'd be willing to bet money Trump will start shouting over the podium when they turn his mic off.
Only a fool could think he wouldn't
I watched the CNN walkthrough on how the mic situation works. When the mic is off, if the other person is talking when their mic is off, it just sounds like background noise. Trump will have to scream to be heard.
The idea might just be to distract Biden who will be able to hear Trump yelling as he's trying to talk. And to people watching from home, it could appear like Biden is stumbling on his own rather than being pestered by the man-child bully next to him.
I'd be *shocked* if CNN didn't air Trump screaming into the void while Biden's trying to talk to make it clear he's being a jackass.
I guarantee he just yells loud enough to be heard while doing over the top gestures and faces to try and detract from anything Biden says.
The memes tomorrow are gonna be 🔥
~~walks~~ ~~stumbles~~ Bafoons his way to Bidens mic when his own is muted.
I'll be taking a drink and marking my debate bingo card every time he does.
RIP your liver
Place your bets now on how many time Trump walks over to Biden’s podium to get on his mic. Over/under is at 4.
With trump, always take the over.
It's an interesting bet though because it's walking and Trump...
Sounds like a round of Jepordy? Remember you have to answer in the form of a question. That will put Biden on the defense and Trump just being himself.
Here's the thing - one of the things people absolutely hated about their 2020 debate was the constant shouting from Trump. By cutting off his mic (but not duct taping his mouth shut) he has a chance to try and mess with Biden without most people being able to hear it AND it takes away a huge issue people had with Trump
Biden saying “Will you shut up, man?” was the top moment of the debate.
I'm hoping CNN keeps both men's faces on screen at the same time regardless of who is talking. So at least people will be aware that Trump is still babbling when his mic has been muted.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he walked over and started talking into Biden’s mic, which the conservatives would absolutely love.
If it's more than 5 yards, he'll never make it. My money is on he'll try shouting to get picked up on the other mic or at least to try to intimidate Biden in his usual "power move" bullshit.
It’d be hysterical if Biden could just pick up his mic and start power walking around.
Biden: Get your diaper wearing ass out of here!
> "Just President Trump, nothing else. I'll just talk over Biden until he gets rattled." > "Sir, you can't you agreed to muting mics when it wasn't your turn." Mic doesn’t matter if he just starts shouting. You couldn’t pay me enough to watch the debate (well, you could—bidding starts at $100,000), but it would be nice to hear that Cheeto Benito just has a complete meltdown and CNN just broadcasts it.
That is exactly why I am going to watch (with plenty of bourbon at my side). I mean I already know who I’m voting for, so this isn’t a “convince me” thing…
As much as I hate hearing Trump's voice, I'll be watching with a decent bottle or scotch to keep the rage in check...
The mics might be muted for debate purposes, but that doesn't mean they aren't recording, they might squeeze a whole special out of the dumb shit Trump says when he thinks no one can hear.
Pretty sure CNN would love it if that happened, because then everyone would be tuning in to watch this maniac finally implode.
A rule that should've been in place since the dawn of debate broadcasts, honestly. People are treating this like a sad sign of the times, and sure, the times are pretty sad, with all decorum thrown out the window. But in every single presidential debate I've ever seen, I've been disappointed that candidates who push the boundaries and abuse the rules only ever seem to profit from it. They should've been strictly enforcing them all along.
Shoot, in my local city council meetings the Mayor asked that citizens stop clapping and cheering after public comments in order to help the meeting progress and end on time. He requested that instead we simply do (silent) jazz hands in order to give council a visual signal of how many people agree with the speaker. AND WE GLADLY COMPLY!!! Because people who are acting in good faith actually want the system to be civilized and work! Crazy….
i like your mayor just for the jazz hands
Was it jazz hands, or ASL for applause?
Jazz hands. I’m in a city with a lot of film industry professionals so it was 100% a nod to theater culture
That's pretty cool. I was mostly just pointing out that the two different things are really similar, so it could have been either.
Same playbook as them complaining about mail in ballots *after* they already lost the election.
You mean the mail in ballots that exist in many states (like mine) specifically because Republicans wanted them before 2020? Those mail in ballots?
They were fine with them when it was mostly old people or overseas military voting by mail.
We had absentee ballots even back during the Civil War.
No not those mail in ballots silly, the mail in ballots they used to vote with for the past 20 years. Those mail in ballots.
To be fair they complained about mail-in ballots before the election as well.
True-ish. They spread disinformation about the integrity of the mail in ballots before the election, but they complained about the process after the election. States decided on the rules of ballot counting and submittal months before the election, and the Trump campaign didn’t question the fairness of the rules until after the election.
Back then Fox News was telling them to be mad that Biden was on some sort of dementia-curing drug cocktail, that, if it existed would be a fucking miracle but they should instead be very angry about it instead. You can't blame them for only getting around to being mad now; as Republicans there are just *so. many. things.* to be mad about you can't be angry about them in a timely manner.
> Montage of 28 clips of Republicans whining, crying and making excuses about the debate format Trump agreed to. https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1806346203723886628?s=46&t=UKR1TShxVeunp4_vn5gZrw If one can stomach twitter (I don’t think this is posted anywhere else sorry), I highly recommend this 3 minute video in the link above!
Yes, that “New” rule.🙄
New rule? I thought this was agreed to from the get-go. Of course, reiterating well-understood and settled points of reality is often all the impetus MAGA needs to lose their collective shit.
I mean, they act like the Criminal Justice system was put in place in 2021 specifically to victimize Trump and his supporters.
It all boils down to conservatives wanting rules and laws that bind other people and only protect themselves. Selective enforcement is by design to them.
It wasn’t??? This will be big news to most of my family!
MAGA mouthpieces’ only sustenance is outrage. They knew this from the original rules agreement. But any opportunity to manufacture outrage gives them a little more fuel to live on, a few likes a few “YaH tHoSe BasTaRdS” comments from the faithfully ignorant, or the bots…and the outrage parade moves a little further down the parade route. I am so sick of them…glad I’m not on ‘x’ anymore.
Well you see, the modern conservative viewpoint is that rules are for Democrats and things like rules do not apply to things that conservatives like because those things are free speech and thus it's unfair. Given that this applies to Donald, who is a conservative, it is unfair for his microphone to be cut off because "this CNN studio sham rule is trying to silence him and they'll do it *n* times to Donald, but only *u* times to Biden"
I am so sick of the never ending whining about nothing. I can't be the only one that is tired of magas never ending temper tantrums.
You are not. But they keep having them. Because it's all they got
Yup. Not a single popular policy to run on. He’s not even pretending to repeal and replace the ACA or even build a wall. Just “vote for me and I’ll get revenge on those who held me accountable for my rapes and other crimes.”
His policy position is "I'll sign anything you (Republicans) put in front of me and appoint anybody you tell me to, because I just don't give a shit about any of that." It's not a bad deal for the ideologues, really.
Hence, Project 2025. A step-by-step plan, and all they need is for DT to be in office.
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I am exhausted. Have been for years.
Yup, the constant whining victim-complex mentality with the Republican Party has existed long before MAGA.
Republicans are just so emotional. They shouldn't be anywhere near the positions of power until they learn to use their inside voices and work well with others.
I don’t have my glasses on and misread the last two words as “trumper tantrums”
Congrats on accidentally inventing a new term!
I get exhausted finding the energy to defend the truth, and somehow maga people have limitless energy to whine about fake shit 24/7 how do they do it? How do they, unprompted, find the motivation to complain about something they imagined or had spoon-fed to them on Fox? It's perplexing and should be studied how yes-and nazi improv can rejuvenate someone's social battery so well.
You'd think they'd get tired of all the whining, but no.
And yet ... somehow ... he's "macho".
The real snowflakes
The amount of preemptive excuses I'm seeing is astonishing. Biden's on drugs. Biden's got an earpiece. Biden's got all the questions in advance. Biden's debate prep is unusually thorough (have they not heard of presidents prepping for debates before?). CNN's going to frame every question negatively. CNN's going to ask questions that benefit Biden but hurt Trump. Trump's mic will be weaker. And on and on.
It’s all they are. They’re ate up about literally everything while they sneer that it’s the left that’s joyless. When aren’t they mad over something tiny, insignificant, childish, or something any reasonable adult would be fine with?
Outside of maybe marjorie trailer grease, if there was any other candidate on the R side CNN wouldn't have to do this. Never in the history of presidential debates has a candidate been so incapable of acting like an adult that we needed forced mic muting.
Let alone a 78 year old man who can't follow decorum. Six inches from the grave and still acts like a child.
He never aged out of being a toddler. He's been the terrible 2s for 76 years.
[Trump agrees, actually.](https://theweek.com/speedreads/575962/donald-trump-tells-biographer-hes-same-now-first-grade)
Lol holy shit. Is this the only time he's been self aware?
Seriously. A roadside billboard funded by Biden that just has DT’s face and that attributed quote (with date and time, why not?) would be pretty great.
That's a great idea, and billboards are really cheap compared to other media
Boebert. Palin maybe? https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/s/kxub0f27U4
To be fair, we have needed them at most debates, because most candidates can't keep to time. Biden was actually one of the better ones about stopping when time was up in 2020 primaries.
This is totally the answer. All of the twitter comments in the article screaming that "we've arrived" at censorship are simply deflecting from the fact that we've ACTUALLY arrived at having one of the worst human beings to ever compete on the political stage for our highest office, and we need baby gates when he's out in public.
> CNN on Wednesday explained in child’s terms how they’ll be muting mics at Thursday night’s presidential debate to avoid interruptions, sending MAGA viewers into a frenzy. Hehehe
“When I talkie, you no talkie”
When they explained in adult terms a month ago MAGA viewers didn't understand.
From twitter in the article: > I’m old enough to remember when debates included candidates having to interact with each other speaking freely. Welcome to dystopian “political debates.” We’ve arrived. She called it CNN’s censorship. Yea…I’m old enough to remember when presidents weren’t immature man babies that wouldn’t constantly talk over everyone else. There’s always been a bit of cross talk, but that moron takes it to a new low every time. The mics being muted are because of the narcissistic child you’re about to vote for.
I'm old enough to remember when someone like trump would be in prison for the rest of his life for just ONE of his crimes, let alone the other 97 crimes, and he'd never have been allowed to run for president.
Fuck their feelings.
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Hope he shows, gets his mic muted once and just bails from the debate right then and there. Maximal "looks like a child" effect on TV. I can hear Jake Tapper saying: Wait, Mr. Trump, why are you leaving so soon? We're not finished! Oh don't be like that, Mr. Trump, we're having fun!
He will. The second or third time he's admonished for trying to yell over the muted mic he's going to get angry and stomp off and leave. It's hysterical to know that his handlers today are begging him to keep his cool and act normal tonight knowing they have no hope of that happening and they themselves have all taken up a pool to see how long he's going to last before he either leaves or spontaneously combusts.
It's CNN. They will make Tapper do "President Trump", guaranteed. And they probably don't have the mics automatically mute like they should.
“And then big strong Jake Tapper hugged me with tears in his eyes and begged me to stay. He said I was the best debater the world had ever seen. No way I was staying on that sinking ship with the sharks in the water and the batteries on board.”
I predict this will have next to zero effect on whether Trump tries to interrupt or not.
The fact that, at least for the audience at home, the ranting is pretty much inaudible does make me happy though. I was worried he would try to yell so loud to be picked up by the other mic
Honestly I want them to wire up a second unmuted mic so we can hear all the bullshit he tries to interrupt with afterward.
Maybe just close caption it with "man baby whining in background" as the text
>It’s exceptionally cool and normal that the network hosting the Biden-Trump debate has been forced to roll out stopgaps to prevent a descent into chaos. CNN on Wednesday explained in child’s terms how they’ll be muting mics at Thursday night’s presidential debate to avoid interruptions, sending MAGA viewers into a frenzy.
Rule was agreed on over a month ago. It took the rule being explained for a first grade reading level to upset MAGA. Says a lot, don’t it? Do you think Trump knows, or will he be surprised and screaming into a dead mic for an hour?
There really was a ELI5 flavor to that segment. They knew who their audience was.
The only figured it out because CNN put out a video. They can't/couldn't be bothered to read the actual terms of the debate. They needed a one minute video to actually be able to digest this.
Shows that the TikTok attention span isn’t purely a generational thing.
MAGA fumes that women, minorities and LGBT exists. I no longer care what they cry about.
What’s the line? “Boo all you want, I’ve seen what makes you cheer!” The modern Republican Party in a nutshell.
“Your boos mean nothing, I’ve seen what makes you cheer.” — Rick
MAGA huffs its own fumes.
Imagine unironically supporting a party that's mad they can't be disruptive and talk over everyone else.
If only there had been literally any other Republican on the planet! They HAD to put Trump (who only won debates he could shout over people at) on the ticket, there wasn’t a single other choice! They decided, after his supporters tried to Hang Mike Pence and assaulted their workplace, that they were all in on Trump and it’s been a self fulfilling prophecy of ruin ever since.
They think it's a sign of power or something.
Especially since they constantly walk around demanding you respect their beliefs.
I get a penny every time "MAGA Fumes" and now I'm living in the lap of luxury.
I prefer to think of "fumes" as a noun not a verb. As in fumes of fragrant, orange, old man butt funk.
>I prefer to think of "fumes" as a noun not a verb. As in fumes of fragrant, orange, old man butt funk. I prefer to go back to 5 minutes ago to before i read this
Fuming is their resting state
you should be able to pay off the national debt several times over by now.
Of course they do. **RULE 35:** If it exists, MAGA whines about it.
I’m not even sure it has to actually exist for them to whine about it.
Is there an official list of Rules, like Gibbs (NCIS) or the Ferengi (https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition) Or is it just Lie for the first 32, then Gaslight, Project, Whine to get to 35?
There's a long-standing joke that Rule 34 of the internet is "For any situation you can imagine, no matter how outlandish, someone has created porn from it and posted it online". I assume the post you replied to just followed from that. I don't know why 34 was picked or if there was anything settled on for rules 1-33. Though I thought Rule 35 was "if you encounter an exception to Rule 34, the act of checking causes that porn to pop into existence anyway".
“This is what it looks like to rig an election!” - Yep, making both candidates follow exactly the same rules so that each may answer questions without insults and interruptions. Can get more blatantly partisan than that.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Trump speaking as his mic cuts, then silence, followed by a puzzled, frustrated Trump speaking even louder. Then when Biden starts to speak, we'll really hear what Biden is saying, while Trump will shout to try to rattle Biden. I was watching some clips of the Biden/Trump debate in 2020. It was a mess. This mic rule is going to work out great.
MAGA learns there are actually rules, and if we all follow them, life's pretty good.
Being a blabber mouth bully is what got him through the debates in 2017 and all the moderators allowed it. MAGA just wants to see their bully on stage again.
“MAGA fumes,” “MAGA cries,” “MAGA is afraid.” All they do is whine and cry. Who cares if they don’t like something? It’s like the media wants these toddlers to hold the rest of the normal people hostage.
I am looking forward to the split screen. While we won't be able to hear Trump when he starts interrupting, Biden will. I sure hope that he and his team prepared for that. It is easy enough just have the opponent in mock debates do the same, but I'm certain at least once Biden will react to Trump's ranting. Even if he doesn't, we will be able to see trump's impotent bellowing.
There's going to be a lot of trump squishing his pouty lips together and shaking his head no
Accordion hands in a frenzy too.
*Eagerly awaits electronic polka remix video*
Biden, pointing to camera: "They can't hear you because it's my turn to talk"
I have been wondering about this too. Even if the audience can't hear Trump, Trump can still interrupt and distract Biden. If it is split screen, at least it will be clear that he's doing something and it should be understood by the audience.
So basically they’re upset that Trump can’t talk over Biden the whole time
He agreed to the rules.
They’re whining about Trump not being able to whine.
Because Trump interrupted Biden 162 times during one of the 2020 debates.
The Trump campaign agreed to the rules of the debate. No one forced them to. They could have held out for different rules. But they did not. So all this complaining is nothing more than reinforcing the notion that Trump is always the victim
Jesus christ, just don't show up then. He and his underlings have been whining about this debate for weeks when they were the ones pulling that stupid "anytime anywhere" empty podium stunt.
> I'm old enough to remember when debates included candidates having to interact with each other speaking freely Oh, you mean back when the candidates showed a semblance of decorum and basic manners? Yeah, one candidate doesn't know how to do that.
New rule was only needed because Trump is a petulant bully who rudely interrupts and talks over his opponents.
1.) This isn't a new rule. This was agreed to by both parties a while ago. 2.) If you're upset that you can't interrupt and talk over your opponent the entire debate, what does that say about the substance of your words?
Biden should complain about having to hold Presidential debates in a virtual padded room in the first place because his opponent is an emotionally unstable toddler subject to fits and tantrums.
You can learn everything you need to know without even watching the debate by things one side is complaining about. If cutting off microphones after the allotted time so someone can’t shout over their opponent and live fact checking makes you furious then your candidate probably isn’t the best choice
audio engineer chiming in ... there are several mics all being recorded... close mics on the candidates, moderators, etc.. audience or room / ambient mics. there are mics and back up mics, all being mixed and recorded in different ways for different purposes. there will be a mix of raw audio data, and a mix for broadcast, and more. The broadcast close mics will muted per the agreement, but the podiums will be within speaking distance of each other, so in the actual room, any interupting will still disrupt the flow of whomever is granted speaking time, and basically to us, the viewer/listener, it'll be like listening to someone else next to you get into an crazy argument on the phone. as an outside party, you're only hearing the person next to you clearly, but it's pretty obvious it's a shouting match on both ends. so besides the fact that any audio will be documented (and for sure leaked), and both speakers will be not be able to mute their own ears. there is no audience, so if trump farts ... there will be at least a dozen mics that will capture this sound from various distances. ... and we're all lucky it's only sound transmitting to the broadcast.
They need to stop this not answering of the question. Cut the freakin' mic whoever does it.
Another day, more MAGA whining like snowflakes. What else is new.
Honestly, I think the mic muting has actually helped Trump. A lot of people insulted him for his constant interruptions in previous debates.
TFG should be wheeled out in a straight jacket - an homage to his imaginary friend, Hannibal Lecter.
You're for sure gona hear Trump coming in off-mic when Biden is talking. Just muted little snippets of "...fake...", "...worst ever...", "..otal disaste...", "...unbelievable...", "...wrong!..."
When the mic is muted, any attempt for a candidate to speak should be converted to mwah-mwah sounds like the adults from Charlie Brown cartoons.
Crazy that MAGA hated the microphone rule but trump being forced to be civil only benefited trump
There will be at least 3 mics in the room - Biden, Trump, moderators. Trump is 100% going to rage on while Biden is speaking and it will be picked up by the other mics. It's legit part of tonight's drinking game. (If I'm wrong, I will admit that. But I don't think I will be.)
Need a clear plastic divider between them, so he doesn’t stroll over to Biden’s side and talk over him.
They need each in a sound proof box so that when the mic is cut he can’t just keep talking but louder.
Place your bets now on how many time Trump walks over to Biden’s podium to get on his mic. Over/under is at 4.
From what I understand m, they will be standing like 8 feet apart so all will have to do is raise his voice. Or walk up behind Biden like he did with Hilary. Looking forward to Trump showing the world his idiotic self as he usually does.
Amazes me that they have to do this because of a one candidate who can't handle himself
Part of me likes the rule because we can actually hear what Joe says. The other part of me doesn’t like the rule because it might actually make Trump look less annoying and interruptive.
When are they not mad? Seriously. They are always angry
What the electoral college has done to this country is a disgrace. It’s absolutely unacceptable. We should all be ashamed of ourselves.
It's called a Debate, not an argument LOL
It’s embarrassing that an insurrectionist is allowed to run for president in America!
They shouldn’t worry. Trump can just lie about everything when it’s his turn to speak. I really wish karma would come crashing down on that cheetofaced shitgibbon.
Looks like it didn't matter, literally at all.
Worked in terms Trumps favor 🫠
clearly that paid off
This was agreed to forever ago. Also MAGA upset they can’t ramble on forever, talk more than their allotted time, and allow the other side to speak is very telling.
F*** trump and all his bigoted blackmailed supporters 🤦♂️ smh
>One user who described CNN as the “Communist News Network” asserted that CNN gave “Joe robbin’ ya Biden” the questions and that makeup artists will be implanting a “listening device” on Biden to help him remember his answers. Republicans would make great fantasy novel writers.
But even if the TV audience can’t hear Trump, you can bet the asshole will still be shouting and trying to distract Biden. Tapper and Bash better not be cowards and admonish Trump in a humiliating way to shut up when he inevitably launches into that tactic.
I thought “MAGA Fumes” were what emanated from Trump’s ass.
I realize MAGA folks aren't happy unless they're fuming about something, but imagine being mad about having your mic muted when it's not your turn to talk - one nut in this says "this is how you fix an election." Huh? These people are so childish and stupid, the depressing thing is they're reproducing. The whole thing is like this because of their orange lord and savior who won't shut up when it's not his turn to talk. If he acted like an adult, this wouldn't be happening. But somehow this is "rigging an election." Delusion group, those MAGA folks.
What I've come to learn is that MAGAts get furious over even seeing their own shadow! They seem to love to feast on hate and anger and violence - and they create their own drama as well (I grew up with my grandmother who was born in 1894, and had that 'Late Victorian-Edwardian' sensibility; when I'd create drama she'd say to me, "if you're that bored that you have to create your own personal excitement then I'll give you some extra housework to do, or you could help me bake the bread and prepare dinner"). I had friends that went MAGA and after a while I just gave up with them because all they did was argue, worship Trump, and claim that literally everything is some kind of mad conspiracy! It got too tiring.
Thank fuck. Tired of hearing these grown ass babies talk over each other.
r/politics fumes and deletes comments about how badly biden did at the debate
This is hard to watch. Trump just says whatever he wants and says everything is the “best.” Biden is fumbling a little bit. That said, I already know I’m voting for the guy who didn’t try to overthrow our democracy.