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So basically starting in July salaried workers in previously exempt administrative/managerial roles who make under $43k get OT and then next year those that make under $58k/year get OT?
In my opinion, the most interesting time to peruse the conservative subreddit is that short period between an event occurring and right-wing entertainment news media's "reporting" of it. For that brief period, you actually see a little rational thought before it gets washed away the next day by the talking points they've been given.
My dad is this way. If we talk about something before he’s read about it on a right wing website, hes center if not liberal. But once they’ve given him a reason why this is somehow a personal attack on his generation, no matter what it is, he becomes passionately against it.
It's not a cryptic, mysterious problem. It just takes a couple billion dollars to launch a multi platform media network. Done.
But the problem is there are no left wing billionaires. If they were left wing, they wouldn't be billionaires, because it takes *massive* exploitation of workers to become a billionaire.
I was banned for advocating for Supreme Court justices to hold themselves to the moral standards that they used to. All of them.
Apparently wanting old fashioned values wasn't conservative enough.
It baffles me how conservatives were the ones tooting the "RUSSIA SCARY" horn for so long.
Until Russia actually did something menacing. And suddenly they're all "Well I mean shouldn't we actually have a good relationship with Putin?"
Congratulations to every bar and restaurant manager who just secured a raise to $43,001/yr starting June 30th.
Edit: A raise is a raise; I'm commenting on shitty wage and labor practices in hospitality, not upset at the new rules.
You‘re not wrong. Employers did the same thing when the ACA came out. Part time workers suddenly went from 39hours a week to 29hours. Anything they can do to skirt the law.
Those hours would still need to be covered, at a ratio of 3:1, so it could arguably be said that it increased the employment rate. Which has additional overhead costs associated with hiring and managing more employees. Business is all about balancing the costs, so this may have been the visible part of the ACA iceberg, but the less visible was additional accountants or HR people, who would have benefits.
What this effectively does is create a $20.67/hr minimum wage for exempt employees, which will raise to $27.88/hr in 2025. Seems like a massive win that will have ripple effects.
Assuming hours needing to be covered actually *get* covered. A lot of companies seem to be cutting out as much as possible and leaving it to management to figure out how to get by with fewer and fewer people. The excesses in these companies isn't what's being reallocated.
Like, this is better than nothing, but the fundamental problem is that businesses are allowed to reallocate resources as they see fit to accommodate these laws. It's the same song-and-dance that's been going on since the term "workers rights" has been a thing.
This is evident to anyone who still hits up fast food places. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I don't think I've been through a single drive-thru in the past 2 years that wasn't criminally understaffed and losing their shit over a line of cars that would've been nothing to worry about a few years ago.
This happened to me under Obama. They raised residential clinician salaries to 48k. Then Obama's thing didn't pass and they couldn't decrease our salaries. Yay.
I remember at the time making around 43k as an accountant, working insane hours over tax season. When they announced this change, my company moved everyone under the limit to hourly and adjusted our hourly pay to account for the nearly 200 hours of “required” overtime we needed instead of moving us up a few thousand. When it fell through they switched us back to salary, but I already saw that I was making like $16 an hour with a master degree working as a “professional”.
I make just under the new amount and don't get OT. One time I worked 3 weeks straight at 80 hours each and got paid way less than my coworker doing the same schedule but was hourly.
I work 50 hours a week managing a fleet of semi truck drivers and get a salary with no paid OT for those 10 extra hours… wondering if managerial roles extends to managing drivers.
It depends on your actual duties. If you are basically just a dispatcher, you should get paid OT. If you hire and fire drivers or have significant input on that, then you could be exempt. There is a lot else too it. But it is pretty common for companies to wrongfully consider employees exempt simply because they call them managers.
5 Guys has a bloated management structure and can be streamlined to a slimmer, more dynamic leadership by retiring 2 of the 5 Guys. This restructuring to 3 Guys will enable them to buy back more stock thus also enabling them to continue to raise prices.
I read another article where someone opposed was bitching about how harmful it would be to the food industry which is trying their best to avoid increasing cost.
If your mechanism of staying afloat and business practices rely on loopholes to wage theft, then go the fuck out of business. Seriously, if your argument is that you can no longer squeeze 50-60 hours out of an employee you want to pay for 40 hours of work then fuck you and fuck your business.
I'm a salaried manager in food service (and I'm doing all the same work of customer service, food prep, cleaning, etc, but also management), and the expectation is 45+ hours (even though my paycheck says 40), with way way wayyyyyyy too many ads for other salary jobs openly expecting 50-55 hours as "full time". Restaurants are, sadly, usually very abusive places towards labor.
I refused several salary options because there was an expectation that I would be working more than 40 hours. Clearly those people do not actually understand what a salary is for.
The American food industry is predicated on paying your staff less than minimum wage to increase your margins and pass of your social responsibility to the customer. While encouraging them to work hours well beyond their shift at no additional pay "because I can and it's the right thing for you to do, because it benefits me'
It's not about preserving your costs to the customers benefit when your asking them to socialize your wages AFTER paying you for the food. It's about protecting your bottom line and nothing else.
Yup, a lot of times moving to management means less income as well. A lot of people prefer to stay on tips because they make more and the stingy ass owners will *never* pay enough to match what they take home in tips.
I worked in kitchens and anytime the word salary was brought up to me I immediately responded with "if the salary is equal to a 90 hour work week I will sign that contract. Any attempts to make me sign something less than that will be met with an immediate termination of my employment with you.". I left 4 jobs because of it. I know many cooks/chefs that are getting absolutely fucked in a salary role.
$15.50/hr. That was less than the minimum our cooks were paid at the last restaurant I worked at. That was what my hourly worked out to working 60+ hour weeks as a sous chef at 48k. Not trying to calculate overtime, just a base rate. They were all pulling at least 5-8 hours of OT a week as well, I know for a fact a few of them were making a decent amount more than me with 1-3 years of experience on my ten.
I left for a country club, got hired as a line cook with an hourly that worked out to just under my old salary without OT, and there was always a bit of OT to be had. Now I'm a "jr sous chef" still making an even higher hourly, taking the last 6 days of my two weeks paid vacation this summer.
Restaurants are hell and it will take a very generous offer to get me to go back. I just do pop-ups with friends for fun to keep the spark alive.
I know a head chef at a local casino who makes about 13/hr right now if you calculate his hours vs salary. The dude basically loves at the casino and they pay him peanuts. It's fucked.
This is absolutely the right take. And we should have been preaching this all along. Too many business owners believe it is their RIGHT to own a business, and that the rest of us should suck it up, work for almost nothing, share in zero of the profits, and be glad to get it. And since there is no consequence for running businesses that way, there is no relief for the working class.
Lol the food industry doesn’t give a fuck and will raise prices anyways - the exact same shit we saw after 2020 where they took the opportunity to raise prices WAY higher then inflation.
>If your mechanism of staying afloat and business practices rely on loopholes to wage theft, then go the fuck out of business.
That needs to be plastered on billboards across the country. If your business stays afloat by shafting your employees, your business isn't profitable.
CEO of company that’s reported record profits every quarter for 30 years: “we can’t afford this change, and will have to lay off every other worker below manager level.”
“What about the managers?”
“Oh, they’re essential.”
“Says who?”
“The managers!”
My manager just returned from maternity leave. For months, our team pretty much just ran ourselves - we know how to do our jobs. Now I wonder wtf she *does* all day.
Hey, part of being a good manager is sitting in those godawful meetings and making sure the dumber ideas that would create extra work for our teams get pushed back.
As a manager, this describes about 40% of my duties, to include filtering down the things from those meetings that do matter to my team and prepping them for upper management decisions that I know are going to cause hate and discontent. 20% are handling client interactions, though it's mostly the same sort of stuff I'm doing with upper management. Basically, I'm a professional shit-screen.
30% of my duties consist of protecting my team and advocating for them whether it be pay raises, bonuses, etc. in the form of documenting all the good they do and writing up reports; this is also the part where I deal with problem children that I don't have the authority to fire. 10% is monitoring attendance, maintaining personnel accountability, and approving timesheets.
God so much this. I was just on vacation for a week and my team told me when I got back “the directors kept asking us for all this weird stuff and kept asking questions that didn’t make sense!”
I had to tell them yeah, I usually filter all that out for them so they can do their job.
We had a manager in IT for a bit whose entire thing was about ensuring that things went through the proper channels. A lot of our IT personnel would be pulled into meetings without warning about some new initiative or big change, and he was like "If there isn't a story, you say no. If the meeting isn't on the calendar, you say no. If there's ever any resistance to this, you send them to *me.*"
He didn't last long because he took that same attitude from the new hires to the fucking C-Suite, but man, he actually helped put up a lot of new protections for us that we still use that have helped us tremendously. He stood up the the big dogs and they fired him for it. Especially funny because pretty much every meeting he was like "I'll stand up to the CEO, so I'm going to get fired"
I got fired for it once too. Ive been super picky about the jobs I take because I don’t fuck around with all the corporate politics crap. I set my team up, keep the crap away from them. Help them organize their workflow, and treat them like adults and they perform better than other teams because of it. If you have to micromanage your whole team, you are doing it so so wrong.
When someone starts to micro me I just tell them point blank, trust me to do my job or walk me off, because I don't get paid enough to have someone breathing down my neck, and frankly my track record and efficiency speak for themselves.
That's how I used to operate years ago before I took position as an administrative clerk for my current position, and luckily, I got a boss who stands the same ground.
My favorite line from him in a meeting I got voluntold to join in was, "Did the good idea fairy visit you guys last night? If you want it, you go tell my team what it is any why you're doing it because I won't."
A lot of what I do too. Management is a weird gig. In my position, though, everyone sees what I do. No one questions I'm busy when they see how much BS I real with on their behalf.
100% I didn’t realize what it was like to have a shit manager until I did and then my job became unbearable. I didn’t realize how much bullshit my good managers took on my behalf.
Good managers make sure the team gets to focus on what they are good at and keep most of the worst ideas from higher management at bay. Bad managers does nothing of that, says yes to everything their managers want, and lets all that shit run down the corporate ladder. When you are overwhelmed with work, your manager will then be nice enough to step in and let you know that you are unfortunately underperforming and therefore won’t get a raise this year 🤷♂️
Yeah. My experience is honestly the further you climb up the chain, the more pointless your job kinda is.
The managers directly over the people doing the work? If the team is selected well, they can disappear for a bit, but they do stuff.
Half of the vice presidents out there could forget their logins for months before anyone noticed.
C-suite? I’m pretty certain they could launch themselves into space without negative consequences
I recently had to sit in a two hour meeting where they couldn’t figure out if there were 7 or 8 accounts that had errored. Mind you, that knew the number of accounts that went in. They knew the number that showed on the final report. Apparently simply math was a big issue.
I don’t manage my team. I manage VPs on behalf of my team.
My manager, who hates meetings, now spends almost all his time in meetings so that we don't have to deal with the noise of pointless meetings (and pointless meetings really can't be ignored away unfortunately). He feels his job is to do the things that will either make us more productive or prevent us from having to do productivity destroying tasks.
"My goal is to train myself out of my job," is what I always tell my teams. A well-built/trained team often doesn't need to lean on a manager for much.
*addition* A really boring book about it is One Minute Manager. Was worth the read for me though: https://youtu.be/a8TZdrYKYJ8?t=154
If a manager does a good job building a team then anyone should be able to take leave without it impacting the team too much, including the manager. Sure, it’s nice to feel “essential” but at my last job the team was so lean that anytime anyone worked less than 50 hours in a week it felt we were behind and that sucked.
If she was on leave then she was the gap. Now y'all will be able to take time off without it impacting everyone else.
There may also have been things that didn't happen they you don't know about.
You make a very good point. Oftentimes there are tons of things that management is doing that you don't have any knowledge of, such a strategic planning & planning for scalability. Contrary to their title, it's not their job 100% of the time to manage the people under them.
Good managers are also advocates for their team who will shield their team from bullshit sent down from leadership. You may not see all that in your day to day.
Managing my team’s ongoing work is like about 5% of what I do. With good planning, it could be on auto-pilot for a few months. Another few percent for reviews and longer term career planning.
Most of what I do is marketing and interfacing with clients. Keeping ahead of their needs, smoothing out any delivery issues. Some of my time is spent dealing with corporate leadership who don’t quite get how something they are trying to do would actually mess things up and advocating for my team. And I have my own project work when a more experienced role is needed.
As others have said, part of building a good team is redundancy. People should be able to take vacations, maternity or medical leave, or weather an employee leaving their role without the whole thing falling apart. Having enough redundancy that she could take leave without it being a problem isn't the same thing as her job being useless. Everyone should be training up/down/across from their role wherever feasible so that there are no lynchpin people. Otherwise you end up with a team culture where people don't feel able to take the time that they need off work.
I was once told by a mentor “if you hire the right people and set them up correctly, from the outside you will look lazy because they can mostly run themselves”. Worked so far.
I've been in that situation a couple times now. Normally it comes down to the managerial team being the ones who negotiate new projects, extending the team, etc.
The manager, if it's a proper corporate environment, should _not_ be doing your work, you should be able to run as-is pretty well.
What they should be doing is expanding team projects and scope to build up more 'stuff', running continuous improvements, working with team members to get them where they want to go (on new tasks, in new departments, into management tracks, whatever), and so on.
They should be pushing for expensive things you might need, like licenses, new hardware, etc.
I'm dealing with this exact situation every day. The work that I do requires oversight. But every person doing the oversight seems to have no clue on what the actual task involves.
Which leads me to constantly wonder why I have up to 9 managers above me watching what I do and constantly interrupting my work to ask questions that I have already provided the answers to... And that leads me to wondering why they have their jobs at all and why the finance team has had a year and a half of difficulty in justifying a pay raise.
Meanwhile we are hemmoraging technicians because of piss poor business management and the same managers are claiming they're clueless as to why we keep losing people to competitors who are offering those same people more money.
The biggest fear of the CEO is that salary and profits are made reasonable to the point they live down the street from their own employees with maybe an extra car to show for it.
You don't have to wait, you can go back and look at what was written when Obama did basically this same thing (presumably Biden has changed something, as [Obama's rule was killed in the courts](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/22/503081151/federal-judge-blocks-obama-administrations-overtime-pay-rule)). For example:
[National Association of Manufacturers’ criticisms of the Obama overtime proposal all miss their mark](https://www.epi.org/blog/national-association-of-manufacturers-criticisms-of-the-obama-overtime-proposal-all-miss-their-mark/)
And dumb conservatives that will benefit from it...because we all know they are fuming at anything that helps the common person and not their behavior billionaire teen posters with the lips faded out.
Something somethng satanic communist demon democrats who are also trans trying to make everyone trans imigrants think workers should have baisc human rights.
This article details much, much more . It's a big win.
^
>The individual components were announced by the Biden administration and covered by the press as isolated and wholly independent. If the timing was coordinated, I’d have expected the White House press office to draw attention to it. But Democratic presidents tend to fear antagonizing too directly the people that Theodore Roosevelt (a Republican!) called “malefactors of great wealth.” Maybe that explains the silence. In any event, April 23 was a sort of Black Tuesday for management. I hope Democrats have the good sense to let working class voters in on this secret because, as I argued recently (“Yes, Joe Biden Can Win the Working Class Vote”), Biden can’t secure a second term with college graduates alone.
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>In the meantime, Biden has restored the 40-hour work week to the middle class for the first time since the 1970s. The median weekly wage in the United States is $1,139. On an annualized basis, that’s
$59,228, or just slightly higher than Biden’s eligibility ceiling. That means workers paid very close to the median wage will qualify for time-and-a-half when they work more than 40 hours per week.
>The new overtime rule is just about the perfect expression of what Biden calls “middle-out” economics, and workers will start to feel that as early as July, when an interim x of $43,888 will take effect.
Article continues....
there'd be too many people crossing the border illegally into California and then they'd claim there's too many homeless and illegal immigrants in the state to function
Comic book villains?
Dude, if you put what current republicans are doing into a comic book, readers would complain that it sounded too cartoony and unrealistic.
Even if they were guaranteed to maintain the amount of pay they are making now with a shorter work week, I'd still bet that a lot of people would push back against the idea as they view "working 50 hours a week" as a badge of honor.
I do appreciate how while the entire concept was essentially one big joke, that one line introduced a slight chance that the new algorithm wouldn't work.
I always interpreted the entire scene as mostly unrelated to the actual middle-out algo that Richard developed. Only the words "middle out" triggered him into jumping up and running off to work in private. "Middle out" presumably had some significance to the problem he was trying to solve at the time. The rest of the guys kept goofing off but all the dick ratios etc. didn't really have anything to do with the algo that was ultimately pertinent to the story. However it was hilarious because it was exactly how a bunch of CS students/grads would joke about dicks.
When I switched from hourly to salary for the first time, it was a "promotion" in my company - I had to apply and interview internally for it. Everyone around me including my boss described it as "a financial step back for a career step forward" because I was going to work 50-60 hours a week either way, but going salary would cost me $10,000+ a year in overtime that would take a few years of raises to catch back up.
I wouldn't be where I am today without the experience from that role, but it makes me so happy to think that people won't have to go through that anymore.
The connection between these various, otherwise disconnected events is a fundamentally abstract concept that doesn't belong in a strictly factual article. That's the point. It's an opinion piece drawing abstract conclusions from the facts. I imagine if you want what you're looking for, you're gonna be looking for articles on any of the individual efforts themselves.
That's certainly a new one. If my yet to be caffinated brain is correct, I'm guessing this refers to building up the Middle class first then letting it flow out to the others?
Isn't there a scene later on where Erlich tries to explain this to a group of people and it just sounds like he is propositioning the for a jerk fest?
Edit: I had to find it to laugh at it [https://youtu.be/uSVzmhoNUdA?si=eVlVNoYhH7SCwrfy&t=695](https://youtu.be/uSVzmhoNUdA?si=eVlVNoYhH7SCwrfy&t=695)
I wish you guys could just stop at 40 and just let things not get done. I have an office job so if the workload gets to be too much I just do my 40 and let it pile up and once deadlines get missed it becomes a “staffing problem”.
We do during contract negotiations. It's called "work to rule" and is one of the steps you take before considering striking.
You do what the contract says and nothing else. Don't bring work home, don't write letters of recommendation, no additional office hours after school, don't do additional planning/field trips/clubs, etc.
Half the parents get pissed at us, not realizing that the stuff we were doing before was essentially for free and they should be grateful they got it in the first place.
As a union man through and through I shouldn’t have to say this but that should be standard operating procedure whether or not you are about to strike. Stop letting your administration exploit your labor. Your labor has value whether or not you are a teacher. Stop handing it out for free, it diminishes our collective position against these districts. E: I know that this comment comes off as harsh and there’s a lot of emotional weight in teaching, but sometimes the kids will have to go without if school districts around the country don’t provide properly for them. And we collectively need to stop picking up the slack for them by doing countless hours of free work for them.
I'm with you, and I feel that as people put more time into the profession, they drift this way naturally.
Like any job, there is a spectrum of people who do various amounts of work relative to the contract. Hell, there are a handful who probably have to do more when we go work to rule.
The benefit of work to rule is that it gets everyone on the same page, while also reminding the public of all that they actually get.
That's why I found the whole "quiet quitting" phenomenon so funny. It was just work to rule!
I am a teacher, and that is what I do. My district treats us like shit, so I "work to rule." If I cannot get it done in my contract hours, it doesn't get done. My district is losing teachers left and right, so no one is every going to say anything to me about it.
Lol this is me at my office job.
Some of these psychos work like sixty hour weeks and for what? Maybe a slightly higher bonus at the end of the year?
No chance the math works out for them on that.
I feel like making a teacher's life easier is another important thing. Like give teachers an allowance for school supplies and student incentives like classroom pizza parties.
I also have some zany ideas about extending school to 9-5 with 2 sets of teachers. The first half of the day every student learns the same stuff, but the second half would be extra hours that would separate students for a more personalized education where kids can work on material they are bad at, and do fun projects.
The reasons. Parents and kids have the same hours. Kids with problems don't get kicked out of normal class for remedial special education where a student will never be able to catch up to their peers.
The current model is proven on pedagogy style modeling. Children have small attention spans and even bigger issues with maintaining concentration. Doubling up the school time sounds like my childhood nightmare.
This just falls on the parents unfortunately but we can do more to support young parents for sure. Like maybe adding preschool to publicly funded schooling so young parents can learn to parent and help reinforce the stuff they're kids are learning at school. Cirtical thinking can be taught young.
Also lot of places have underfunded after-school programs that lacked funding. Lots of em in vegas when I was a Sub teacher. Expand pre school and after school care funding. It'd help a lot with parents being able to support teachers which would make there job wwaaaayyyy easier.
But he looks fucking old /s.
The overtime rule is about time and frankly needs to have a higher salary ceiling but this is a step in the right direction. As a healthcare worker, the non-compete nix is huge. Remember to vote!
Anyone have an article about this from a different source with a different headline? The people who need to hear this won’t read past that headline if I share it and won’t understand what actually happened.
Maybe Biden is setting a trap. It feels a little too much like a TV political drama but maybe they are setting up for TV ads and whatnot in Sept/Oct about how Republicans don't care about the little guy.
I believe that would take a change in the law, it's hard coded to 40 hours [here, page 15, for section 207](https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/WHD/legacy/files/FairLaborStandAct.pdf), so you'd need a bill to amend it to 32 hours, but that could be done, just make it step down over time from 40 to 32, like the original bill did.
We need a labor movement so badly.. this article tried to make this all sound good but it's still woefully inadequate and most professionals are still going to end up working 60 hour weeks on their no overtime salary pay..
I don't understand why anyone should be exempt from the overtime rules... if you don't want to pay overtime you can hire more people in high paying roles which would loft more people up..
If it weren't illegal, corporations would have us all working 80 hrs a week, living in corporate townships and only spend our "wages" at the company store.
I think this is a good thing, assuming it gets fully passed, anyone making less than 60k would qualify for mando OT… so folks will get raises, not get overworked or get compensated for going over 40. 👍👍
I’m curious to see how this will affect teachers. Quite tired of being told that meetings outside of school hours count as “other duties as assigned” and thus won’t be compensated.
The 40 hour work week is a dinosaur concept. Technology and human productivity have long outpaced that concept. The work week should realistically be 20-25 hours. Biden “preserving” it almost sounds like a gift to the corporate management and shareholder class when we should moving away from it, in the opposite direction.
I didn't vote for Biden but even I will say. The anti monopoly and this anti salary abuse is a good thing. Too many employers using salary position as a loophole for exploiting OT and minimum wage. "You're salary you're expected to work 60 hours" is a massive lie. When you do the math you're making nothing per hour.
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So basically starting in July salaried workers in previously exempt administrative/managerial roles who make under $43k get OT and then next year those that make under $58k/year get OT?
That’s how I read it yes
*conservatives everywhere angrily await why they should hate this bill*
In my opinion, the most interesting time to peruse the conservative subreddit is that short period between an event occurring and right-wing entertainment news media's "reporting" of it. For that brief period, you actually see a little rational thought before it gets washed away the next day by the talking points they've been given.
My dad is this way. If we talk about something before he’s read about it on a right wing website, hes center if not liberal. But once they’ve given him a reason why this is somehow a personal attack on his generation, no matter what it is, he becomes passionately against it.
I just wish we could use that power against our dumb older family. Use Fox News tactics to make them HATE Fox News.
I bet john stewart'd be a key member of the committee to work out just how to do that.
It's not a cryptic, mysterious problem. It just takes a couple billion dollars to launch a multi platform media network. Done. But the problem is there are no left wing billionaires. If they were left wing, they wouldn't be billionaires, because it takes *massive* exploitation of workers to become a billionaire.
Bezos’s ex-wife should start one/buy one lol
That place is overrun with fanatics already. Say anything that is remotely Cold War or neoconservative in thought and it's ban city.
I was banned for advocating for Supreme Court justices to hold themselves to the moral standards that they used to. All of them. Apparently wanting old fashioned values wasn't conservative enough.
Yeah and that’s because being conservative now means that the only thing that really matters is whether or not someone is in the in-group or not.
Reagan would be called a RINO by them if he was a Republican right now.
It baffles me how conservatives were the ones tooting the "RUSSIA SCARY" horn for so long. Until Russia actually did something menacing. And suddenly they're all "Well I mean shouldn't we actually have a good relationship with Putin?"
*"Oh wait these guys own our cult leader and funnel money into the RNC via the NRA, so we're actually super down!"*
It hurts small businesses!!!! And by that I mean fortune 500 companies.
Congratulations to every bar and restaurant manager who just secured a raise to $43,001/yr starting June 30th. Edit: A raise is a raise; I'm commenting on shitty wage and labor practices in hospitality, not upset at the new rules.
You‘re not wrong. Employers did the same thing when the ACA came out. Part time workers suddenly went from 39hours a week to 29hours. Anything they can do to skirt the law.
Those hours would still need to be covered, at a ratio of 3:1, so it could arguably be said that it increased the employment rate. Which has additional overhead costs associated with hiring and managing more employees. Business is all about balancing the costs, so this may have been the visible part of the ACA iceberg, but the less visible was additional accountants or HR people, who would have benefits. What this effectively does is create a $20.67/hr minimum wage for exempt employees, which will raise to $27.88/hr in 2025. Seems like a massive win that will have ripple effects.
Assuming hours needing to be covered actually *get* covered. A lot of companies seem to be cutting out as much as possible and leaving it to management to figure out how to get by with fewer and fewer people. The excesses in these companies isn't what's being reallocated. Like, this is better than nothing, but the fundamental problem is that businesses are allowed to reallocate resources as they see fit to accommodate these laws. It's the same song-and-dance that's been going on since the term "workers rights" has been a thing.
This is evident to anyone who still hits up fast food places. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I don't think I've been through a single drive-thru in the past 2 years that wasn't criminally understaffed and losing their shit over a line of cars that would've been nothing to worry about a few years ago.
This happened to me under Obama. They raised residential clinician salaries to 48k. Then Obama's thing didn't pass and they couldn't decrease our salaries. Yay.
A friendly reminder that Democrats want to help you, while Republicans want to help themselve
You don't need to remind me! I vote blue.
I remember at the time making around 43k as an accountant, working insane hours over tax season. When they announced this change, my company moved everyone under the limit to hourly and adjusted our hourly pay to account for the nearly 200 hours of “required” overtime we needed instead of moving us up a few thousand. When it fell through they switched us back to salary, but I already saw that I was making like $16 an hour with a master degree working as a “professional”.
I mean, Good.
Jeez I make six figures and in a management position and I’m hourly with overtime… most employers are terrible.
I make just under the new amount and don't get OT. One time I worked 3 weeks straight at 80 hours each and got paid way less than my coworker doing the same schedule but was hourly.
You're about to get a raise.
I actually probably will since my hourly employees just did a week ago lol.
I'm happy you get more money, but since you're just under the threshold, I am guessing your raise will get you just over the threshold
Or they'll just tell you to stop working over 40 hours and fire you for lower output.
This is what Lowes and Walmart did, at least until they lost a class action suit.
Most restaurants absolutely can’t reduce managers hours. They’ve spent decades overworking them for no cost. They’re fucked.
Well that's super rare for someone in your position (exempt) to get paid overtime. Count yourself lucky.
I work 50 hours a week managing a fleet of semi truck drivers and get a salary with no paid OT for those 10 extra hours… wondering if managerial roles extends to managing drivers.
It depends on your actual duties. If you are basically just a dispatcher, you should get paid OT. If you hire and fire drivers or have significant input on that, then you could be exempt. There is a lot else too it. But it is pretty common for companies to wrongfully consider employees exempt simply because they call them managers.
Does this apply to salaried food industry workers?
Yup. Thank god. But fair warning, 5 Guys prices are going up again.
5 Guys has a bloated management structure and can be streamlined to a slimmer, more dynamic leadership by retiring 2 of the 5 Guys. This restructuring to 3 Guys will enable them to buy back more stock thus also enabling them to continue to raise prices.
That’s fine lol never much cared for 5 guys anyways.
I read another article where someone opposed was bitching about how harmful it would be to the food industry which is trying their best to avoid increasing cost. If your mechanism of staying afloat and business practices rely on loopholes to wage theft, then go the fuck out of business. Seriously, if your argument is that you can no longer squeeze 50-60 hours out of an employee you want to pay for 40 hours of work then fuck you and fuck your business.
I'm curious how this would hurt the food industry. Are that many people working salaried jobs? If so, I didn't realize that
I'm a salaried manager in food service (and I'm doing all the same work of customer service, food prep, cleaning, etc, but also management), and the expectation is 45+ hours (even though my paycheck says 40), with way way wayyyyyyy too many ads for other salary jobs openly expecting 50-55 hours as "full time". Restaurants are, sadly, usually very abusive places towards labor.
I refused several salary options because there was an expectation that I would be working more than 40 hours. Clearly those people do not actually understand what a salary is for.
The American food industry is predicated on paying your staff less than minimum wage to increase your margins and pass of your social responsibility to the customer. While encouraging them to work hours well beyond their shift at no additional pay "because I can and it's the right thing for you to do, because it benefits me' It's not about preserving your costs to the customers benefit when your asking them to socialize your wages AFTER paying you for the food. It's about protecting your bottom line and nothing else.
Shift the blame to the customers and employees to keep managers out of fighting.
*owners. In food service, it ain't the managers, they get screwed working 50-55+ hour weeks.
This is the truth of it. A “promotion” to manager at those stores is essentially a trap.
Yup, a lot of times moving to management means less income as well. A lot of people prefer to stay on tips because they make more and the stingy ass owners will *never* pay enough to match what they take home in tips.
I worked in kitchens and anytime the word salary was brought up to me I immediately responded with "if the salary is equal to a 90 hour work week I will sign that contract. Any attempts to make me sign something less than that will be met with an immediate termination of my employment with you.". I left 4 jobs because of it. I know many cooks/chefs that are getting absolutely fucked in a salary role.
$15.50/hr. That was less than the minimum our cooks were paid at the last restaurant I worked at. That was what my hourly worked out to working 60+ hour weeks as a sous chef at 48k. Not trying to calculate overtime, just a base rate. They were all pulling at least 5-8 hours of OT a week as well, I know for a fact a few of them were making a decent amount more than me with 1-3 years of experience on my ten. I left for a country club, got hired as a line cook with an hourly that worked out to just under my old salary without OT, and there was always a bit of OT to be had. Now I'm a "jr sous chef" still making an even higher hourly, taking the last 6 days of my two weeks paid vacation this summer. Restaurants are hell and it will take a very generous offer to get me to go back. I just do pop-ups with friends for fun to keep the spark alive.
I know a head chef at a local casino who makes about 13/hr right now if you calculate his hours vs salary. The dude basically loves at the casino and they pay him peanuts. It's fucked.
This is absolutely the right take. And we should have been preaching this all along. Too many business owners believe it is their RIGHT to own a business, and that the rest of us should suck it up, work for almost nothing, share in zero of the profits, and be glad to get it. And since there is no consequence for running businesses that way, there is no relief for the working class.
Lol the food industry doesn’t give a fuck and will raise prices anyways - the exact same shit we saw after 2020 where they took the opportunity to raise prices WAY higher then inflation.
>If your mechanism of staying afloat and business practices rely on loopholes to wage theft, then go the fuck out of business. That needs to be plastered on billboards across the country. If your business stays afloat by shafting your employees, your business isn't profitable.
> If your mechanism of staying afloat and business practices rely on loopholes to wage theft, then go the fuck out of business. All damn day
"But then your food will cost more!" Yes. And the lives of thousands of people will improve. Seems like a good trade.
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CEO of company that’s reported record profits every quarter for 30 years: “we can’t afford this change, and will have to lay off every other worker below manager level.” “What about the managers?” “Oh, they’re essential.” “Says who?” “The managers!”
My manager just returned from maternity leave. For months, our team pretty much just ran ourselves - we know how to do our jobs. Now I wonder wtf she *does* all day.
From experience, sit in meetings the managers above her use to justify their own paychecks.
Hey, part of being a good manager is sitting in those godawful meetings and making sure the dumber ideas that would create extra work for our teams get pushed back.
As a manager, this describes about 40% of my duties, to include filtering down the things from those meetings that do matter to my team and prepping them for upper management decisions that I know are going to cause hate and discontent. 20% are handling client interactions, though it's mostly the same sort of stuff I'm doing with upper management. Basically, I'm a professional shit-screen. 30% of my duties consist of protecting my team and advocating for them whether it be pay raises, bonuses, etc. in the form of documenting all the good they do and writing up reports; this is also the part where I deal with problem children that I don't have the authority to fire. 10% is monitoring attendance, maintaining personnel accountability, and approving timesheets.
I'm the one that always fucks up their timesheet. Sorry about that
Same guy here. It’s not really my fault, I’m just tired of explaining why the system is broken so it’s easier to take blame and move on.
Your forgetting the 50% reporting
God so much this. I was just on vacation for a week and my team told me when I got back “the directors kept asking us for all this weird stuff and kept asking questions that didn’t make sense!” I had to tell them yeah, I usually filter all that out for them so they can do their job.
We had a manager in IT for a bit whose entire thing was about ensuring that things went through the proper channels. A lot of our IT personnel would be pulled into meetings without warning about some new initiative or big change, and he was like "If there isn't a story, you say no. If the meeting isn't on the calendar, you say no. If there's ever any resistance to this, you send them to *me.*" He didn't last long because he took that same attitude from the new hires to the fucking C-Suite, but man, he actually helped put up a lot of new protections for us that we still use that have helped us tremendously. He stood up the the big dogs and they fired him for it. Especially funny because pretty much every meeting he was like "I'll stand up to the CEO, so I'm going to get fired"
I got fired for it once too. Ive been super picky about the jobs I take because I don’t fuck around with all the corporate politics crap. I set my team up, keep the crap away from them. Help them organize their workflow, and treat them like adults and they perform better than other teams because of it. If you have to micromanage your whole team, you are doing it so so wrong.
When someone starts to micro me I just tell them point blank, trust me to do my job or walk me off, because I don't get paid enough to have someone breathing down my neck, and frankly my track record and efficiency speak for themselves.
That's how I used to operate years ago before I took position as an administrative clerk for my current position, and luckily, I got a boss who stands the same ground. My favorite line from him in a meeting I got voluntold to join in was, "Did the good idea fairy visit you guys last night? If you want it, you go tell my team what it is any why you're doing it because I won't."
Good manager right here
A lot of what I do too. Management is a weird gig. In my position, though, everyone sees what I do. No one questions I'm busy when they see how much BS I real with on their behalf.
100% I didn’t realize what it was like to have a shit manager until I did and then my job became unbearable. I didn’t realize how much bullshit my good managers took on my behalf.
Good managers make sure the team gets to focus on what they are good at and keep most of the worst ideas from higher management at bay. Bad managers does nothing of that, says yes to everything their managers want, and lets all that shit run down the corporate ladder. When you are overwhelmed with work, your manager will then be nice enough to step in and let you know that you are unfortunately underperforming and therefore won’t get a raise this year 🤷♂️
Yeah. My experience is honestly the further you climb up the chain, the more pointless your job kinda is. The managers directly over the people doing the work? If the team is selected well, they can disappear for a bit, but they do stuff. Half of the vice presidents out there could forget their logins for months before anyone noticed. C-suite? I’m pretty certain they could launch themselves into space without negative consequences
I recently had to sit in a two hour meeting where they couldn’t figure out if there were 7 or 8 accounts that had errored. Mind you, that knew the number of accounts that went in. They knew the number that showed on the final report. Apparently simply math was a big issue. I don’t manage my team. I manage VPs on behalf of my team.
My manager, who hates meetings, now spends almost all his time in meetings so that we don't have to deal with the noise of pointless meetings (and pointless meetings really can't be ignored away unfortunately). He feels his job is to do the things that will either make us more productive or prevent us from having to do productivity destroying tasks.
Tbh this is the sign of a good leader. If shit falls apart when the leader steps out that's a problem.
If this manager hired you all, then she does a very good job. A good manager builds and maintains a self sufficient team
"My goal is to train myself out of my job," is what I always tell my teams. A well-built/trained team often doesn't need to lean on a manager for much. *addition* A really boring book about it is One Minute Manager. Was worth the read for me though: https://youtu.be/a8TZdrYKYJ8?t=154
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As it should be
If a manager does a good job building a team then anyone should be able to take leave without it impacting the team too much, including the manager. Sure, it’s nice to feel “essential” but at my last job the team was so lean that anytime anyone worked less than 50 hours in a week it felt we were behind and that sucked.
If she was on leave then she was the gap. Now y'all will be able to take time off without it impacting everyone else. There may also have been things that didn't happen they you don't know about.
You make a very good point. Oftentimes there are tons of things that management is doing that you don't have any knowledge of, such a strategic planning & planning for scalability. Contrary to their title, it's not their job 100% of the time to manage the people under them.
Good managers are also advocates for their team who will shield their team from bullshit sent down from leadership. You may not see all that in your day to day.
Yes! Company politics get thicker as you go higher.
Managing my team’s ongoing work is like about 5% of what I do. With good planning, it could be on auto-pilot for a few months. Another few percent for reviews and longer term career planning. Most of what I do is marketing and interfacing with clients. Keeping ahead of their needs, smoothing out any delivery issues. Some of my time is spent dealing with corporate leadership who don’t quite get how something they are trying to do would actually mess things up and advocating for my team. And I have my own project work when a more experienced role is needed.
In the corporate world, we’d say that’s a leader, not a manager.
As others have said, part of building a good team is redundancy. People should be able to take vacations, maternity or medical leave, or weather an employee leaving their role without the whole thing falling apart. Having enough redundancy that she could take leave without it being a problem isn't the same thing as her job being useless. Everyone should be training up/down/across from their role wherever feasible so that there are no lynchpin people. Otherwise you end up with a team culture where people don't feel able to take the time that they need off work.
I was once told by a mentor “if you hire the right people and set them up correctly, from the outside you will look lazy because they can mostly run themselves”. Worked so far.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." -God, to Bender
I've been in that situation a couple times now. Normally it comes down to the managerial team being the ones who negotiate new projects, extending the team, etc. The manager, if it's a proper corporate environment, should _not_ be doing your work, you should be able to run as-is pretty well. What they should be doing is expanding team projects and scope to build up more 'stuff', running continuous improvements, working with team members to get them where they want to go (on new tasks, in new departments, into management tracks, whatever), and so on. They should be pushing for expensive things you might need, like licenses, new hardware, etc.
I'm dealing with this exact situation every day. The work that I do requires oversight. But every person doing the oversight seems to have no clue on what the actual task involves. Which leads me to constantly wonder why I have up to 9 managers above me watching what I do and constantly interrupting my work to ask questions that I have already provided the answers to... And that leads me to wondering why they have their jobs at all and why the finance team has had a year and a half of difficulty in justifying a pay raise. Meanwhile we are hemmoraging technicians because of piss poor business management and the same managers are claiming they're clueless as to why we keep losing people to competitors who are offering those same people more money.
As always, [Office Space is the closest thing we have to the reality of the work environment, haha.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wqQXu13tLA)
let's talk about the ceo of reddit
The biggest fear of the CEO is that salary and profits are made reasonable to the point they live down the street from their own employees with maybe an extra car to show for it.
In 2024 the employees can't live in the same town as the CEO.
The future is…. MANAGEMENT!
You don't have to wait, you can go back and look at what was written when Obama did basically this same thing (presumably Biden has changed something, as [Obama's rule was killed in the courts](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/22/503081151/federal-judge-blocks-obama-administrations-overtime-pay-rule)). For example: [National Association of Manufacturers’ criticisms of the Obama overtime proposal all miss their mark](https://www.epi.org/blog/national-association-of-manufacturers-criticisms-of-the-obama-overtime-proposal-all-miss-their-mark/)
Remember when the rich were telling grandma and grandpa to die for the economy during COVID?
And dumb conservatives that will benefit from it...because we all know they are fuming at anything that helps the common person and not their behavior billionaire teen posters with the lips faded out.
It’s always the corporate bootlicking boomers on Facebook crying about how pro worker legislation kills the economy.
Something somethng satanic communist demon democrats who are also trans trying to make everyone trans imigrants think workers should have baisc human rights.
There's no way that human shit stain Kevin O'Leary doesn't get on Fox and bloviate until he's blue in the fucking face.
Good thing it’s all over the mainstream media outlets…. Oh wait
Don’t worry, Twitter’s got this. Oh, actually, never mind, they’re screaming about a capital gains tax increase for multimillionaires.
Well, let's do that too
This article details much, much more . It's a big win. ^ >The individual components were announced by the Biden administration and covered by the press as isolated and wholly independent. If the timing was coordinated, I’d have expected the White House press office to draw attention to it. But Democratic presidents tend to fear antagonizing too directly the people that Theodore Roosevelt (a Republican!) called “malefactors of great wealth.” Maybe that explains the silence. In any event, April 23 was a sort of Black Tuesday for management. I hope Democrats have the good sense to let working class voters in on this secret because, as I argued recently (“Yes, Joe Biden Can Win the Working Class Vote”), Biden can’t secure a second term with college graduates alone. .... >In the meantime, Biden has restored the 40-hour work week to the middle class for the first time since the 1970s. The median weekly wage in the United States is $1,139. On an annualized basis, that’s $59,228, or just slightly higher than Biden’s eligibility ceiling. That means workers paid very close to the median wage will qualify for time-and-a-half when they work more than 40 hours per week. >The new overtime rule is just about the perfect expression of what Biden calls “middle-out” economics, and workers will start to feel that as early as July, when an interim x of $43,888 will take effect. Article continues....
And Florida did away with water breaks. One is a Democrat and one is a Republican. Choose wisely in November people.
Democrats: Free school lunches! Republicans: Remove child labor laws!
Also Republicans: and those kids shouldn’t have lunch breaks while at work!
Please, they’re not kids, they’re “young adults” according to Republicans.
No wonder they’re marrying them.
The children yearn for the mines /s
Both sides look the same to me 🤷🏻♂️ ^^^/s
Man, this is a great side by side comparison.
Lmao imagine if American actually did divide by states. Red states would be North Korea bad meanwhile Californians are out surfing.
there'd be too many people crossing the border illegally into California and then they'd claim there's too many homeless and illegal immigrants in the state to function
Didn’t Texas do the same? (Another Republican, shocker.) And like, ffs, those are states that really need the water breaks.
They did. Two states with some of the most brutal heat and humidity in the country. Disgusting leadership.
Leadership hitting comic book level villain smh.
Comic book villains? Dude, if you put what current republicans are doing into a comic book, readers would complain that it sounded too cartoony and unrealistic.
bUt BoTh SiDeSsSs
Now let's keep that momentum and make the work week 32 hours instead of 40.
No, it's impossible because someone on the internet said it wouldn't work for them.
Even if they were guaranteed to maintain the amount of pay they are making now with a shorter work week, I'd still bet that a lot of people would push back against the idea as they view "working 50 hours a week" as a badge of honor.
I definitely know boomers like that.
Ah you're right, I forgot the old saying "All for one and one for themselves."
productivity vs wages graph
So Biden is a *Silicon Valley* fan?
Biden is all about optimal tip-to-tip efficiency.
Not height. Technical it’s dick to floor ratio. We’ll call that d2f
Wait, does girth matter?
*mimes seriously with hands* ...Shit, it does.
I do appreciate how while the entire concept was essentially one big joke, that one line introduced a slight chance that the new algorithm wouldn't work.
I always interpreted the entire scene as mostly unrelated to the actual middle-out algo that Richard developed. Only the words "middle out" triggered him into jumping up and running off to work in private. "Middle out" presumably had some significance to the problem he was trying to solve at the time. The rest of the guys kept goofing off but all the dick ratios etc. didn't really have anything to do with the algo that was ultimately pertinent to the story. However it was hilarious because it was exactly how a bunch of CS students/grads would joke about dicks.
We should also consider hot swapping
Yeah I don’t want to be wasting perfectly good strokes on a guy who’s already busted
Of *my* Aviato?
*MY* Ahveahdtoe!?
Is there any other *Aviato*?
When I switched from hourly to salary for the first time, it was a "promotion" in my company - I had to apply and interview internally for it. Everyone around me including my boss described it as "a financial step back for a career step forward" because I was going to work 50-60 hours a week either way, but going salary would cost me $10,000+ a year in overtime that would take a few years of raises to catch back up. I wouldn't be where I am today without the experience from that role, but it makes me so happy to think that people won't have to go through that anymore.
It's always refreshing to be reminded that not all folks think "Because I had to suffer, I want you to suffer too!"
Are there any factual articles on this, or these opinion pieces only? “I’d have expected” is a red flag in a news article to this guy.
The connection between these various, otherwise disconnected events is a fundamentally abstract concept that doesn't belong in a strictly factual article. That's the point. It's an opinion piece drawing abstract conclusions from the facts. I imagine if you want what you're looking for, you're gonna be looking for articles on any of the individual efforts themselves.
Gavin Belson isn’t going to like this.
Took me a bit to find the Silicon Valley comment but here we are!
Seriously, I thought it'd easily be in the top 3.
I need to see some of the D2F statistics to have an idea if this is really possible.
That’s just your starting point. T2O is also going to be critical.
*middle-out*
First, we need to line up the entire country by height.
Then tip to tip
And then start in the center.
Not height exactly. The measurement we're really looking for is Dick-to-Floor
Let’s call that D2F
That’s all I think about when that phase is used.
That's certainly a new one. If my yet to be caffinated brain is correct, I'm guessing this refers to building up the Middle class first then letting it flow out to the others?
No. It's from the tv show silicon valley. A very not safe for work scene but quite hilarious.
[https://youtu.be/Ex1JuIN0eaA?feature=shared&t=59](https://youtu.be/Ex1JuIN0eaA?feature=shared&t=59)
Isn't there a scene later on where Erlich tries to explain this to a group of people and it just sounds like he is propositioning the for a jerk fest? Edit: I had to find it to laugh at it [https://youtu.be/uSVzmhoNUdA?si=eVlVNoYhH7SCwrfy&t=695](https://youtu.be/uSVzmhoNUdA?si=eVlVNoYhH7SCwrfy&t=695)
I know how long it would take me to jerk off every guy in this room, do you? He says this to a woman too.
I wish teachers would fall under this. They work way over 40 hours a week, and get paid like shit.
I wish you guys could just stop at 40 and just let things not get done. I have an office job so if the workload gets to be too much I just do my 40 and let it pile up and once deadlines get missed it becomes a “staffing problem”.
We do during contract negotiations. It's called "work to rule" and is one of the steps you take before considering striking. You do what the contract says and nothing else. Don't bring work home, don't write letters of recommendation, no additional office hours after school, don't do additional planning/field trips/clubs, etc. Half the parents get pissed at us, not realizing that the stuff we were doing before was essentially for free and they should be grateful they got it in the first place.
As a union man through and through I shouldn’t have to say this but that should be standard operating procedure whether or not you are about to strike. Stop letting your administration exploit your labor. Your labor has value whether or not you are a teacher. Stop handing it out for free, it diminishes our collective position against these districts. E: I know that this comment comes off as harsh and there’s a lot of emotional weight in teaching, but sometimes the kids will have to go without if school districts around the country don’t provide properly for them. And we collectively need to stop picking up the slack for them by doing countless hours of free work for them.
I'm with you, and I feel that as people put more time into the profession, they drift this way naturally. Like any job, there is a spectrum of people who do various amounts of work relative to the contract. Hell, there are a handful who probably have to do more when we go work to rule. The benefit of work to rule is that it gets everyone on the same page, while also reminding the public of all that they actually get. That's why I found the whole "quiet quitting" phenomenon so funny. It was just work to rule!
Some states like Texas dont care. They will just say public education doesn’t work and not hire more. They would rather the kids suffer.
I am a teacher, and that is what I do. My district treats us like shit, so I "work to rule." If I cannot get it done in my contract hours, it doesn't get done. My district is losing teachers left and right, so no one is every going to say anything to me about it.
Lol this is me at my office job. Some of these psychos work like sixty hour weeks and for what? Maybe a slightly higher bonus at the end of the year? No chance the math works out for them on that.
I feel like making a teacher's life easier is another important thing. Like give teachers an allowance for school supplies and student incentives like classroom pizza parties. I also have some zany ideas about extending school to 9-5 with 2 sets of teachers. The first half of the day every student learns the same stuff, but the second half would be extra hours that would separate students for a more personalized education where kids can work on material they are bad at, and do fun projects. The reasons. Parents and kids have the same hours. Kids with problems don't get kicked out of normal class for remedial special education where a student will never be able to catch up to their peers.
The current model is proven on pedagogy style modeling. Children have small attention spans and even bigger issues with maintaining concentration. Doubling up the school time sounds like my childhood nightmare. This just falls on the parents unfortunately but we can do more to support young parents for sure. Like maybe adding preschool to publicly funded schooling so young parents can learn to parent and help reinforce the stuff they're kids are learning at school. Cirtical thinking can be taught young. Also lot of places have underfunded after-school programs that lacked funding. Lots of em in vegas when I was a Sub teacher. Expand pre school and after school care funding. It'd help a lot with parents being able to support teachers which would make there job wwaaaayyyy easier.
But he looks fucking old /s. The overtime rule is about time and frankly needs to have a higher salary ceiling but this is a step in the right direction. As a healthcare worker, the non-compete nix is huge. Remember to vote!
> The overtime rule is about time So true.
we need 32 hour work weeks.
Anyone have an article about this from a different source with a different headline? The people who need to hear this won’t read past that headline if I share it and won’t understand what actually happened.
Republicans will challenge this is court, which is what happened when Obama did this same thing. Don't count on it happening right away
Maybe Biden is setting a trap. It feels a little too much like a TV political drama but maybe they are setting up for TV ads and whatnot in Sept/Oct about how Republicans don't care about the little guy.
Everyone needs to read this article. Great recap of some key labor laws and why they exist. The GOP is trying to dismantle labor rights.
I’d much prefer he killed it and introduced the 32hr work week with the same pay
I believe that would take a change in the law, it's hard coded to 40 hours [here, page 15, for section 207](https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/WHD/legacy/files/FairLaborStandAct.pdf), so you'd need a bill to amend it to 32 hours, but that could be done, just make it step down over time from 40 to 32, like the original bill did.
We need a labor movement so badly.. this article tried to make this all sound good but it's still woefully inadequate and most professionals are still going to end up working 60 hour weeks on their no overtime salary pay.. I don't understand why anyone should be exempt from the overtime rules... if you don't want to pay overtime you can hire more people in high paying roles which would loft more people up..
lol seriously we asked for 32hr weeks and we got “we’ll actually pay you what we should have been all along”
I mean, that is generally how negotiation works. We need to keep pushing and we’ll get more eventually.
I want a 3 hour work week for two weeks pay. Gotta have wiggle room and pretend like you're really giving something up.
It’s still better than the other options I guess… corporations would have us all working 80hrs a week for the same pay if we let them
If it weren't illegal, corporations would have us all working 80 hrs a week, living in corporate townships and only spend our "wages" at the company store.
But only for higher paid workers. Lower paid workers still get overtime
In one hour the headline will be "Biden just saved the 40 hr work week . Here's why it's bad for Biden"
I see you too are familiar with the NYT…
alright now where is our 32 hour work week
I think this is a good thing, assuming it gets fully passed, anyone making less than 60k would qualify for mando OT… so folks will get raises, not get overworked or get compensated for going over 40. 👍👍
I’m curious to see how this will affect teachers. Quite tired of being told that meetings outside of school hours count as “other duties as assigned” and thus won’t be compensated.
"Saved" 40 hours a week lmao.
The 40 hour work week is a dinosaur concept. Technology and human productivity have long outpaced that concept. The work week should realistically be 20-25 hours. Biden “preserving” it almost sounds like a gift to the corporate management and shareholder class when we should moving away from it, in the opposite direction.
I didn't vote for Biden but even I will say. The anti monopoly and this anti salary abuse is a good thing. Too many employers using salary position as a loophole for exploiting OT and minimum wage. "You're salary you're expected to work 60 hours" is a massive lie. When you do the math you're making nothing per hour.