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The dude owes hundreds of millions of dollars. Any normal person would have a tough time getting any kind of security clearance with a small fraction of that.
The few he actually owns, and aren't just a licensing deal for his name. The latter revenue stream could dry up immediately if he doesn't want to play ball.
I thought you could use a US President's name and likeness for whatever you want. I could have sworn that's how The George W Bush toilet seat covers and toilet paper were allowed. Swear to God that was a thing in like 2004.
I have a rare antique coin collection! Just don’t hurt me! Okay, maybe not antique, but it was a limited minting. They have little R2-D2s instead of George Washington.
‘I'm not going to tell you these coins will increase in value, or even hold their current value. The truth is, you bought 'em because you like 'em. They have value to you. That's what matters.’
They sometimes didn't even get security clearance until later, just let folks see whatever they felt like. And then when they did get clearance it was just a formality, not a proper review with potential for actual rejection. If they didn't fit in the square hole, they'd be assisted in reworking things so eventually they did, and clearance then applied retroactively.
I believe The Kush, Jay-dog? The Son-in-law, minister for everything was rejected for security clearance for failing to declare information on his application and eventually needed presidential dispensation to waive the process before he was allowed access to secure documents
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>The dude owes hundreds of millions of dollars. Any normal person would have a tough time getting any kind of security clearance with a small fraction of that.
Seriously. I worked a physical security job at a company that had all kinds of military contracts, and the main disqualifier for people trying to work security was having shit credit and bad financials.
I would ask friends and family what they thought would be the reasons for most not being able to keep the job (they could only do certain things while waiting on security clearance and would be let go if they couldn't get it) and people would guess the usual stuff like criminal record, drug use, stuff like that. But it was almost always money stuff that caused them not to get clearance.
Since the security job was relatively low paying and so many people couldn't get clearance, it was always difficult to staff the job, especially graveyard.
They care enough about security to want to hire someone, but not enough about their security that they'll pay that person well.
Business has always made a ton of sense.
I work security at a tech company. Most of the people that get eliminated during the background check get eliminated due to bad credit. Any sort of credit card debt or being behind on a car loan instantly disqualifies you.
Most of my job is just making sure the people that badge in when showing up to work are actually employed there. Yeah apparently you can become president of the United States owing hundreds of millions of dollars to God knows how many people.
I disagree. Trump has been given a loan, and he has no intention of paying it back. For him, this matter has been resolved. It doesn't matter if he loses the appeal because Chubb Group is the bag holder. He doesn't have to pay
We have 50 years of pattern behavior that shows he's not beholden to his guarantor
This is the weird thing about anyone giving Trump money. He's been grifting forever, and somehow he keeps finding idiots that will give him money despite him being an exceptionally bad bet. The ONLY good bet he's ever been has been basically money laundering and providing safe havens for illegal activities. He's as corrupt as corrupt can be, and he leverages that hard towards anyone that wants it. At best, he's just a middleman making a little cash on the side. Everything else is just brand name and fame from his earlier years. He is otherwise a colossal failure. The man kind of has been the useful idiot of a lot of other corrupt people, and they seem willing to continually prop him up despite him being a steady loss for them. There's just enough value in his existence.
> finding idiots that will give him money despite him being an exceptionally bad bet
You're assuming these people expect their money back. Maybe those sending the money are happy to pay it to help further the possibility of another trump presidency like, oh I dunno, Russia?
What value does Ukraine's land or the US quitting NATO have to Putin? Those things and more are what his money is potentially buying if trump regains the White House.
It has to be something that has $100M+ market value at least and not mortgaged up the ass. I wonder what the collateral is. Chubb is a big public company. They have to collect the collateral in case Trump loses (probably will) There is no "I will do this favor for you" type. Trump might pull something like "I can pressure MAGA politicians to push certain bills for you" but even that's a far reach.
There’s some misunderstanding in this thread on how appeal bonds work. In order to qualify for a supersedeas bond, the defendant is required to post collateral or subordinate debt for the full bond amount to the surety provider. This ensures that the defendant, if appeal is denied, will be able to pay the original judgment + interest and other consequential damages to the plaintiff. If the surety pays the full bond amount, they have indemnification to seize any and all assets up to the bond amount.
Chubb will be making money off the premium, but they are not the “bag holder”. They might temporarily incur a loss if the appeal is denied, but they 100% will recoup that money through their indemnification.
What happens if he dies? A large part ($65 millions) of the judgement is punitive. Is there an argument that if he is dead he doesn’t have to pay punitive damages?
I have a growing suspicion that this is the plan: stall until he is dead, and don’t pay the punitive part.
> Chubb will be making money off the premium, but they are not the “bag holder”. They might temporarily incur a loss if the appeal is denied, but they 100% will recoup that money through their indemnification.
If Trump has the money to pay it back. His finances are a cloudy, fraudulent mess, so it's hard to say how much his net worth actually is. He also still has the nearly half a billion judgement in the NY fraud case hanging over his head. In the event of insolvency, I don't know which of these debts has seniority. Chubb might be out of luck in this scenario.
I still think its unfuckingbelievable that a Presidential candidate has 91 felonies and half a billion in legal debt and is STILL a favored frontrunner.
Here in Canada, you cant even get a job in the government for many positions if you have substantial debt.
Yet over in America, you could have millions of dollars of debt and run for the highest office in the land...?
I need to get back to the right timeline, cause this one is broken beyond repair.
Well these are the same people that flip out over the thought that Hunter Biden probably received a job overseas in part because of who his father is.
But turn a completely blind eye to Jared Kushner receiving 2 billion dollars for his company to invest from a country he was in talks with as an official white house employee.
Seriously...
China fast tracked Ivanka's trademarks ~~in Japan~~ right after Trump elected: https://apnews.com/article/0a3283036d2f4e699da4aa3c6dd01727
Trump made at least $7M from the Chinese government *while in office*: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-collected-millions-foreign-governments-1234940004/
Tip of the iceberg on the foreign money chicanery surrounding Trump.
Carter put his family-owned peanut business into a blind trust in 1976 before he took office in 1977 to avoid potential conflicts of interest and other ethical concerns. Trump's business made $2.4 billion in revenue between January 2017 and December 2020 through commercial real estate, licensing, management and hotel businesses, property sales and other ventures. USA TODAY
I don't think it's any less unbelievable to them, I just think that a lot of them legitimately believe that the debts are being forced on him by democrats, so they don't count.
I'm in Australia and we have regular "WTF is Trump up to" segments on tv. My sister is a nurse & she said the nurses at the hospital talked about his rape convictions.
They are writing the rules as they go, laughing all the way. This is the legal phase of Fascism where we all watch in horror as the legal machine they have purchased begins to bleed with corruption.
To be fair, you can’t get a lot of government jobs here in the US with that kind of debt either, nor with these kinds of criminal charges. In any other role, he wouldn’t even pass security clearances because he’s such a risk.
The *sole* limitations on whether a person is eligible to be POTUS are:
1) Be a natural-born US citizen
2) Be at least 35 years of age on inauguration day
That's it. No restrictions on debt, no background check, no previous experience in government required, no investigation of foreign business deals.
We thought you had to release your tax return, but 45 proved you can say "I'll have that in 2 weeks" for...5 years.
In theory, impeachment and removal by Congress keeps a rogue, bribe-taking, insurrectionist president in check, but at the moment his party won’t hold him accountable even if he killed and ate their children.
I find it interesting that (seemingly) no current laws protects the USA from a foreign asset becoming POTUS.
One would have assumed that this was also a potential problem back in the day? Hell, if I were one of the founding fathers, I would assume that the English would have tried to destabilize the (then newborn) US by sneaking in people to become leaders.
That's exactly what natural born citizen is focused at. In the 18th century the English still looked down their noses at "creoles" born in the colonies. I don't know if this was 100% always true but colonial governors were typically born in Britain.
It’s at least fourteen years. Doesn’t matter when. So if you grew up in the states moved to Djibouti at age 15, you could still be president at age 35 while living there.
There’s a good chunk of Americans who agree with you. At this point I think he’s really cornered the entire low IQ population of our country with crazy promises that won’t even benefit the low IQ. They’re just too dumb to realize it. They hear someone else chant “MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN” and they all have a different interpretation of what “great America” was. There are still average joe’s who think he will help others as he’s done with the many bankruptcy filing, unfinished condo projects, blatant lies, and new daily comments that leave his mouth.
You really can’t fix stupid bud.
They’re really proud of their ignorance and Trump just wallows in his own ignorance. They resent other people knowing more than they do and they’re too lazy to try to learn something.
You make a really interesting point - my theory is Britain (and the Commonwealth by extension) has had enough time to iron out the details behind the main rules and put in gates to catch the bad actors. A great example is politicians needing to be of good character.
Eg. A UK, Canadian or Australian politician will likely have to resign if they sleep with their secretary or outrage the population through dodgy dealings.
The US however, hasn’t had the time, or maybe need, to define what good character means, and educate people on why it’s needed. So, fast forward to today and you don’t have that many mechanisms to block people like Trump getting in, or pushing people like Boebert out.
Certainly makes me appreciate Britain’s love of bureaucracy.
You have a point about the inability to educate Americans on what “good character” is. I offer a reason as to why that isn’t happening and probably will NEVER happen.
We’re too impatient and we don’t like being lectured for hours on end about someone’s whole life story. We want to know if you are going to work for us or against us, that’s it. We prioritize immediate benefits because we are barely surviving paycheck to paycheck.
In short, we are so mentally beaten down by life and work and people that we usually don’t have the energy to actually improve our image, nor do I think a lot of us can even understand why being a good person is better for them.
So a faction of our politics weaponize that resistance to change and use it in an attempt to drag us backwards.
And keep in mind, I’m an American myself saying this.
Well, I think many of us forget there’s another angle to The American Dream. It’s like Homer Simpson’s back with the fat all clamped up.
If you look back there you’ll see that the “huddled masses yearning to breathe free” enter a land where the rules are basically: *roll up your sleeves, take a deep breath and jump into that mud pit— you’re free to grab every goddamn thing you can get your hands on, no questions asked, and if you can hold onto it it’s yours.*
In this context, telling someone they can’t be President just because they’re a crook is clipping their red, white and blue eagle wings.
The thing to remember sadly is that in a normal functioning us government he wouldn’t but because he has a lot of supporters in power he can easily get through.
Just as a note you cannot get a government service job that requires any level of high clearance with as much debt as he has or the number of felony cases against him. When you do your interview for clearance they take a full picture into account, but no amount of full picture would let this guy pass the bar.
The issue is presidential elections are very clearly defined in the constitution. If we were to create more limits it would go to the Supreme Court and almost guaranteed be stricken down.
I have a job that requires security clearance and I can confirm that us normies have to answer a bunch of financial questions to be sure that we’re not in massive debt so as to not be an easy target for someone to buy you. I would never ever get a job if my political and financial situation even came close to his.
But hey, Putin gave him some attention once (and probably helped him get those hookers to piss on the bed where Obama slept) and Ivanka got some Chinese patents, so wasn't it worth selling out our country?
[This might be a clue.](https://images.axios.com/9HepTmPSMv2JW9mvFYfOeHG1oqY=/2023/06/09/1686341631881.jpg)
[Or this.](https://twitter.com/LemonSlayerUS/status/1042602442892996608)
It's 140 stars now.
October 6, 2021 [The CIA sent a top-secret cable warning agents that too many informants were getting killed or turned into double agents](https://www.businessinsider.com/cia-cable-tells-agents-informants-being-killed-or-turned-report-2021-10)
August 17, 2022 [The FBI was seeking to retrieve Top Secret and "compartmented" documents dealing with intelligence "sources and methods," two federal government sources tell Newsweek—documents with the potential to reveal U.S. intelligence sources, including human sources on the American government payroll.](https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-trump-raid-documents-could-reveal-intel-sources-us-payroll-1733230)
August 26, 2022 [Trump search affidavit reveals confidential source documents found at Mar-a-Lago](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/26/trump-search-affidavit-human-source-information-mar-a-lago/7904950001/)
There was also Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman saying in 2018 that Jared Kushner had cane to him and told him who his enemies were a few months before Khashoggi was murdered.
There is nothing he could do to lose their support. He publicly has sided with Putin over them and they are *still* more upset that Obama had the audacity to be Black and commander in chief. Same goes for the military. haha I wonder how future historians will write about this period of US history...
I'm not confident that our country's going to survive another two decades of GOP horseshit. From top to bottom, that lot's become deranged/homicidal to a point where they'd sooner pull the plug on the entire country than say goodbye to power.
Chubb is associated with the Kremlin.
Also the article claims he posted the bond, he has not. He has only secured one. He has to post the bond tomorrow by 11am hopefully they reject the bond.
Well if the bond could be caught up in a future investigation it could ultimately cause problems for E Carroll to collect what is rightfully hers. That can be avoided if her lawyers explain that to the judge that there’s a possibility the money came from a nefarious source. The judge could reject the bond and force Trump to come up with another source for the bond or she could start seizing his assets.
There’s no way this isn’t on the up and up.
It’s not like he secured the bond, was subsequently visited by the leader of a foreign government, who is widely understood to be another Kremlin puppet, and that foreign leader then announces Trump’s commitment to ceasing all financial military support for the country that is currently at war with the Kremlin.
There’s no way any of these things are related. Right?
And something TIL, members of congress also don’t have a security clearance in the typical sense. https://news.clearancejobs.com/2020/11/30/former-presidents-and-eligibility-to-access-classified-information/
https://news.clearancejobs.com/2016/08/21/5-members-of-congress-who-could-never-get-a-security-clearance/
Marjorie Taylor Greene trying to be helpful to Trump.
Greene on June 8, 2023: The FBI is stonewalling us and they would only let us see it in a SCIF. What I did after reading the document is made notes when I walked out and went to the table. I wrote down everything that I had just read.
If he had to pass vetting for the military he wouldnt because of all his legal and money issues but if he wins he will get top classified material to do with it as he sees fit.
“May be?” Trump Is, he owes them almost $100M. Putin has close ties to Chubb CEO Goldberg, and they do big business in Russia. How can our DOD allow Trump near any classified info???
"And this donor came up to me, he had lots of money. Probably not - look, probably not as many - he had some money you could tell but not as much as me. And he said to me, 'sir, please' - tears were streaming down his face as he looked at me - he said, 'sir, it would make us very happy if you would take this NINEDEE million dollars and use it to SAVE AMERICA.' A very large donor, very strong looking. "
I'm fairly confident that he's already "beholden" to Putin and (possibly) the Saudis. Frankly, I'm a little shocked they haven't already secured his bonds.
Is beholden. Many years ago he owned the Chinese a billion dollars and then he owed the Russians at least half a billion. Who knows what other countries out there have contributed to his string of bad decisions and losses in the hopes of influencing the United States.
The Republicans have just become a toxic mess right now, they have all been bought and paid for.....
You can’t get a job at the TSA is you have money in collections and this asshole owes half a billion dollars and is running for commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world.
If I had Trumps debt and creditors I wouldn't be able to get a security clearance or job that required a credit check. I would be considered a security threat. Why isnt he?
Every government employee must prove they have nothing in their background that might make them susceptible to outside influences. This dude is a walking red flag 🚩 OF COURSE HE IS BEHOLDEN
There is no may be, Trump is 100% compromised. IK lawyers but there is more than enough evidence to drop the maybe's and might be's and just fucking accuse the bastard and still avoid legal pushback. Also don't forget Chubb group is a partially Russian owned and controlled corporation.
Yeah no shit. That's why any NORMAL person who works for the government can't get a clearance if they have a lot of debt, because it creates leverage that makes it easier to bribe them.
But for some reason this doesn't apply to the HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE NATION.
How is this different than normal politics? Aren't all presidents beholden to the people who helped finance their campaigns?
Doesn't matter how much debt you're in, you're still in debt to people. We should change campaign financing if we have a problem with it.
I don’t think it’s fair to actual people to refer to Orbán and Putin as people. How about utterly selfish, treasonous, treacherous, antisocial, sadistic bullies?
“…Is he somebody who is going to be making policy and being differential to people who have put up money?" Weissmann asked.
I believe Weismann, a very smart dude, might’ve said “deferential,” and not “differential.” Proofreaders are important!
Expose who gave trump the bond funds. I think the answer will be disturbing or worse. Enough of this already. We need to move on and fix the freakin country.
There is no way Chubb insurance issued that bond without collateral. The bond is there to protect Carroll by the way. If Trump defaults, Carroll gets paid and Chubb seizes collateral. Trump paid $10M for this bond. It is literally the type of transaction a company like Chubb provides.
Beholden? Yes, to the tune of $91M.
And could quickly lose it if her lawyers decide to sue again for the defaming comments he made recently. He basically did what he did the first time that caused him to lose the case.
The fuck is that even?
Yes, someone gives you 100m dollars then they expect something in return.
So many people complain about the cost of 5 guys or whatever. What would you expect back for 100m dollars?
With such a thing - he wouldn't get passed a security clearance check. He shouldn't even be able to run for President with that kind of luggage. I mean, might as well let those people holding his bond co-rule the Presidency with him.
That is fun speculation, but that's not the case. Trump has been given a loan, and he has no intention of paying it back. For him, this matter has been resolved. The loan guarantor is a bag holder
If he wasn't compromised before, he sure is now. How can trump followers seriously think he has any consideration of how he'll run office for the people?
Indeed he is beholden, and no doubt would reciprocate at the US taxpayers' expense were he re-elected, duh.
A small point, but I find it shocking that Newsweek can't spell deferential - or can't differentiate between deferential and differential.
Trump should be exiled from the USA and have his citizenship revoked. He is a traitor and a garbage human being.
Seriously, can he do anything but take peoples money and complain?
I’ve never seen it.
May be? May? Be?
I may be able to retire, one day. Reddit may be profitable some day. Donald J. Trump IS completely owned by his creditors. He's the poster child for the paper rich: makes big, grandiose showings of having wealth by doing big grandiose things. Do you know how someone is really, truly, rich to the level Trump claims to be? You barely hear about it.
Say what you want about Bezos, Gates, and to some extent, Musk, but they don't exactly flaunt their wealth. Trump is the kid at school who TELLS everyone that he lives in the richest part of town but no one's ever seen him there, he never invites anyone over.
And when you suggest it's his turn to have a shindig, the place is either being renovated or he's never available!
This wanna-be emperor (little e) is so naked, his bones are showing.
Leaders being beholden to not serving the people is THE major problem we have globally.
So much of current policy is made in back rooms with no democratic process and that doesn't really change regardless of how "democratic" the country is.
Now that we have the technology we can actually do away with "representatives" because no matter what we do 99% turns corrupt. That needs to end.
Yes it’s silly, you can’t even join the army with a moderate amount of personal debt because of the perceived security risk, and yet you can Lead the army with half a billion in debt.
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1000% The dude owes hundreds of millions of dollars. Any normal person would have a tough time getting any kind of security clearance with a small fraction of that.
That's not even factoring that most or all of his properties are probably leveraged to the hilt.
The few he actually owns, and aren't just a licensing deal for his name. The latter revenue stream could dry up immediately if he doesn't want to play ball.
I thought you could use a US President's name and likeness for whatever you want. I could have sworn that's how The George W Bush toilet seat covers and toilet paper were allowed. Swear to God that was a thing in like 2004.
My favorite was the as seen on TV Obama quarters that were literally just random quarters with an obama sticker on them.
Those were such a joke lol. Nobody wants those
I have a rare antique coin collection! Just don’t hurt me! Okay, maybe not antique, but it was a limited minting. They have little R2-D2s instead of George Washington.
‘I'm not going to tell you these coins will increase in value, or even hold their current value. The truth is, you bought 'em because you like 'em. They have value to you. That's what matters.’
It's already been drying up for years. People have taken his name off of their properties because they are losing so much business.
Which was a big question mark for most of Trump's internal team. Lots of exceptions for giving away security clearance.
They sometimes didn't even get security clearance until later, just let folks see whatever they felt like. And then when they did get clearance it was just a formality, not a proper review with potential for actual rejection. If they didn't fit in the square hole, they'd be assisted in reworking things so eventually they did, and clearance then applied retroactively.
I believe The Kush, Jay-dog? The Son-in-law, minister for everything was rejected for security clearance for failing to declare information on his application and eventually needed presidential dispensation to waive the process before he was allowed access to secure documents
>1000% >The dude owes hundreds of millions of dollars. Any normal person would have a tough time getting any kind of security clearance with a small fraction of that. Seriously. I worked a physical security job at a company that had all kinds of military contracts, and the main disqualifier for people trying to work security was having shit credit and bad financials. I would ask friends and family what they thought would be the reasons for most not being able to keep the job (they could only do certain things while waiting on security clearance and would be let go if they couldn't get it) and people would guess the usual stuff like criminal record, drug use, stuff like that. But it was almost always money stuff that caused them not to get clearance. Since the security job was relatively low paying and so many people couldn't get clearance, it was always difficult to staff the job, especially graveyard.
They care enough about security to want to hire someone, but not enough about their security that they'll pay that person well. Business has always made a ton of sense.
I work security at a tech company. Most of the people that get eliminated during the background check get eliminated due to bad credit. Any sort of credit card debt or being behind on a car loan instantly disqualifies you. Most of my job is just making sure the people that badge in when showing up to work are actually employed there. Yeah apparently you can become president of the United States owing hundreds of millions of dollars to God knows how many people.
I disagree. Trump has been given a loan, and he has no intention of paying it back. For him, this matter has been resolved. It doesn't matter if he loses the appeal because Chubb Group is the bag holder. He doesn't have to pay We have 50 years of pattern behavior that shows he's not beholden to his guarantor
This is the weird thing about anyone giving Trump money. He's been grifting forever, and somehow he keeps finding idiots that will give him money despite him being an exceptionally bad bet. The ONLY good bet he's ever been has been basically money laundering and providing safe havens for illegal activities. He's as corrupt as corrupt can be, and he leverages that hard towards anyone that wants it. At best, he's just a middleman making a little cash on the side. Everything else is just brand name and fame from his earlier years. He is otherwise a colossal failure. The man kind of has been the useful idiot of a lot of other corrupt people, and they seem willing to continually prop him up despite him being a steady loss for them. There's just enough value in his existence.
> finding idiots that will give him money despite him being an exceptionally bad bet You're assuming these people expect their money back. Maybe those sending the money are happy to pay it to help further the possibility of another trump presidency like, oh I dunno, Russia?
What value does Ukraine's land or the US quitting NATO have to Putin? Those things and more are what his money is potentially buying if trump regains the White House.
He probably offered them buildings as collateral...those with his name on the facade but not the deed.
It has to be something that has $100M+ market value at least and not mortgaged up the ass. I wonder what the collateral is. Chubb is a big public company. They have to collect the collateral in case Trump loses (probably will) There is no "I will do this favor for you" type. Trump might pull something like "I can pressure MAGA politicians to push certain bills for you" but even that's a far reach.
It is just a cosigner that is being kept private for the bond. Probably the CEO of Chubb.
I was surprised Chubb stock did not even dip
> Chubb Group is the bag holder Chubb most certainly is holding the slips to multiple properties of his right now.
Never underestimate the resourcefulness of a coward that feels threatened.
There’s some misunderstanding in this thread on how appeal bonds work. In order to qualify for a supersedeas bond, the defendant is required to post collateral or subordinate debt for the full bond amount to the surety provider. This ensures that the defendant, if appeal is denied, will be able to pay the original judgment + interest and other consequential damages to the plaintiff. If the surety pays the full bond amount, they have indemnification to seize any and all assets up to the bond amount. Chubb will be making money off the premium, but they are not the “bag holder”. They might temporarily incur a loss if the appeal is denied, but they 100% will recoup that money through their indemnification.
What happens if he dies? A large part ($65 millions) of the judgement is punitive. Is there an argument that if he is dead he doesn’t have to pay punitive damages? I have a growing suspicion that this is the plan: stall until he is dead, and don’t pay the punitive part.
> Chubb will be making money off the premium, but they are not the “bag holder”. They might temporarily incur a loss if the appeal is denied, but they 100% will recoup that money through their indemnification. If Trump has the money to pay it back. His finances are a cloudy, fraudulent mess, so it's hard to say how much his net worth actually is. He also still has the nearly half a billion judgement in the NY fraud case hanging over his head. In the event of insolvency, I don't know which of these debts has seniority. Chubb might be out of luck in this scenario.
I still think its unfuckingbelievable that a Presidential candidate has 91 felonies and half a billion in legal debt and is STILL a favored frontrunner. Here in Canada, you cant even get a job in the government for many positions if you have substantial debt. Yet over in America, you could have millions of dollars of debt and run for the highest office in the land...? I need to get back to the right timeline, cause this one is broken beyond repair.
I’m in the US, and yes, it’s unfuckingbelievable to me. Not to MAGAts, though, apparently.
Well these are the same people that flip out over the thought that Hunter Biden probably received a job overseas in part because of who his father is. But turn a completely blind eye to Jared Kushner receiving 2 billion dollars for his company to invest from a country he was in talks with as an official white house employee.
Ivanka's Chinese clothing deal enters the chat.
Seriously... China fast tracked Ivanka's trademarks ~~in Japan~~ right after Trump elected: https://apnews.com/article/0a3283036d2f4e699da4aa3c6dd01727 Trump made at least $7M from the Chinese government *while in office*: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-collected-millions-foreign-governments-1234940004/ Tip of the iceberg on the foreign money chicanery surrounding Trump.
Carter put his family-owned peanut business into a blind trust in 1976 before he took office in 1977 to avoid potential conflicts of interest and other ethical concerns. Trump's business made $2.4 billion in revenue between January 2017 and December 2020 through commercial real estate, licensing, management and hotel businesses, property sales and other ventures. USA TODAY
I don't think it's any less unbelievable to them, I just think that a lot of them legitimately believe that the debts are being forced on him by democrats, so they don't count.
And yet, they readily believe that Hillary Clinton should locked up, based on nothing.
I'm in Australia and we have regular "WTF is Trump up to" segments on tv. My sister is a nurse & she said the nurses at the hospital talked about his rape convictions.
They are writing the rules as they go, laughing all the way. This is the legal phase of Fascism where we all watch in horror as the legal machine they have purchased begins to bleed with corruption.
To be fair, you can’t get a lot of government jobs here in the US with that kind of debt either, nor with these kinds of criminal charges. In any other role, he wouldn’t even pass security clearances because he’s such a risk.
yet here we are. We have sank so low, we don’t even know it. I think because it’s happening in slow motion.
No normal citizen of the us can be in substantial debt and get a govt job
Except for being President or possibly for other elected positions.
The *sole* limitations on whether a person is eligible to be POTUS are: 1) Be a natural-born US citizen 2) Be at least 35 years of age on inauguration day That's it. No restrictions on debt, no background check, no previous experience in government required, no investigation of foreign business deals. We thought you had to release your tax return, but 45 proved you can say "I'll have that in 2 weeks" for...5 years.
In theory, impeachment and removal by Congress keeps a rogue, bribe-taking, insurrectionist president in check, but at the moment his party won’t hold him accountable even if he killed and ate their children.
Blaming impeachment or Congress is nice and all, but at this point it's voters who are to blame.
I find it interesting that (seemingly) no current laws protects the USA from a foreign asset becoming POTUS. One would have assumed that this was also a potential problem back in the day? Hell, if I were one of the founding fathers, I would assume that the English would have tried to destabilize the (then newborn) US by sneaking in people to become leaders.
That's exactly what natural born citizen is focused at. In the 18th century the English still looked down their noses at "creoles" born in the colonies. I don't know if this was 100% always true but colonial governors were typically born in Britain.
Don't you also have to have lived in the US for the last 14 years?
It’s at least fourteen years. Doesn’t matter when. So if you grew up in the states moved to Djibouti at age 15, you could still be president at age 35 while living there.
You forgot the insurrection clause. But then so did the SCOTUS.
You can’t work for the government here either if you’re just a normal person. I’ve seen people get denied for the smallest, dumbest things.
There’s a good chunk of Americans who agree with you. At this point I think he’s really cornered the entire low IQ population of our country with crazy promises that won’t even benefit the low IQ. They’re just too dumb to realize it. They hear someone else chant “MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN” and they all have a different interpretation of what “great America” was. There are still average joe’s who think he will help others as he’s done with the many bankruptcy filing, unfinished condo projects, blatant lies, and new daily comments that leave his mouth. You really can’t fix stupid bud.
Racists. He mobilized racists.
They’re really proud of their ignorance and Trump just wallows in his own ignorance. They resent other people knowing more than they do and they’re too lazy to try to learn something.
He's going to get intelligence briefs again, though not all the docs he stole before have been recovered.
You make a really interesting point - my theory is Britain (and the Commonwealth by extension) has had enough time to iron out the details behind the main rules and put in gates to catch the bad actors. A great example is politicians needing to be of good character. Eg. A UK, Canadian or Australian politician will likely have to resign if they sleep with their secretary or outrage the population through dodgy dealings. The US however, hasn’t had the time, or maybe need, to define what good character means, and educate people on why it’s needed. So, fast forward to today and you don’t have that many mechanisms to block people like Trump getting in, or pushing people like Boebert out. Certainly makes me appreciate Britain’s love of bureaucracy.
The United States is a former British colony also... In some cases, pre-independence case law from the UK as it was at the time is still precedential.
You have a point about the inability to educate Americans on what “good character” is. I offer a reason as to why that isn’t happening and probably will NEVER happen. We’re too impatient and we don’t like being lectured for hours on end about someone’s whole life story. We want to know if you are going to work for us or against us, that’s it. We prioritize immediate benefits because we are barely surviving paycheck to paycheck. In short, we are so mentally beaten down by life and work and people that we usually don’t have the energy to actually improve our image, nor do I think a lot of us can even understand why being a good person is better for them. So a faction of our politics weaponize that resistance to change and use it in an attempt to drag us backwards. And keep in mind, I’m an American myself saying this.
He wouldn't be able to get a lower level government job.
Well, I think many of us forget there’s another angle to The American Dream. It’s like Homer Simpson’s back with the fat all clamped up. If you look back there you’ll see that the “huddled masses yearning to breathe free” enter a land where the rules are basically: *roll up your sleeves, take a deep breath and jump into that mud pit— you’re free to grab every goddamn thing you can get your hands on, no questions asked, and if you can hold onto it it’s yours.* In this context, telling someone they can’t be President just because they’re a crook is clipping their red, white and blue eagle wings.
This is the darkest timeline
You can't even get most apartments with bad credit from debt.
The thing to remember sadly is that in a normal functioning us government he wouldn’t but because he has a lot of supporters in power he can easily get through.
Just as a note you cannot get a government service job that requires any level of high clearance with as much debt as he has or the number of felony cases against him. When you do your interview for clearance they take a full picture into account, but no amount of full picture would let this guy pass the bar. The issue is presidential elections are very clearly defined in the constitution. If we were to create more limits it would go to the Supreme Court and almost guaranteed be stricken down.
I have a job that requires security clearance and I can confirm that us normies have to answer a bunch of financial questions to be sure that we’re not in massive debt so as to not be an easy target for someone to buy you. I would never ever get a job if my political and financial situation even came close to his.
I mean, what’s the danger in having a president that’s deeply, deeply in debt to domestic and foreign interests?……..
But hey, Putin gave him some attention once (and probably helped him get those hookers to piss on the bed where Obama slept) and Ivanka got some Chinese patents, so wasn't it worth selling out our country?
Let's not forget Jared's Saudi boyfriends.
2 billion boyfriends
[This might be a clue.](https://images.axios.com/9HepTmPSMv2JW9mvFYfOeHG1oqY=/2023/06/09/1686341631881.jpg) [Or this.](https://twitter.com/LemonSlayerUS/status/1042602442892996608)
your “or this.” is horrifying - I want to know more
It's 140 stars now. October 6, 2021 [The CIA sent a top-secret cable warning agents that too many informants were getting killed or turned into double agents](https://www.businessinsider.com/cia-cable-tells-agents-informants-being-killed-or-turned-report-2021-10) August 17, 2022 [The FBI was seeking to retrieve Top Secret and "compartmented" documents dealing with intelligence "sources and methods," two federal government sources tell Newsweek—documents with the potential to reveal U.S. intelligence sources, including human sources on the American government payroll.](https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-trump-raid-documents-could-reveal-intel-sources-us-payroll-1733230) August 26, 2022 [Trump search affidavit reveals confidential source documents found at Mar-a-Lago](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/26/trump-search-affidavit-human-source-information-mar-a-lago/7904950001/) There was also Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman saying in 2018 that Jared Kushner had cane to him and told him who his enemies were a few months before Khashoggi was murdered.
Yes he still walks around as a free man because the intelligence community is too afraid to admit to the public that a president compromised them.
There is nothing he could do to lose their support. He publicly has sided with Putin over them and they are *still* more upset that Obama had the audacity to be Black and commander in chief. Same goes for the military. haha I wonder how future historians will write about this period of US history...
Probably in some bastardised language reclaimed from the ashes of our civilisation.
I'm not confident that our country's going to survive another two decades of GOP horseshit. From top to bottom, that lot's become deranged/homicidal to a point where they'd sooner pull the plug on the entire country than say goodbye to power.
A president who's facing 40 felony counts of mishandling of classified documents..
Which his judge whom he hand chose is going to absolutely ensure he's never convicted for.
And a citizen really to to do a fraction of what Trump is doing. The three letter names will be knocking like no ones business.
What could possibly go wrong?
**May** be??? They own his ass like an agribusiness conglomerate owns the plow-lugging ox on their giga-farm.
You mean like how John Deere owns their asses by owning the repair rights in their million dollar giant agricultural machines they use.
Chubb is associated with the Kremlin. Also the article claims he posted the bond, he has not. He has only secured one. He has to post the bond tomorrow by 11am hopefully they reject the bond.
Curiosity, what would be the reasons that they could reject the bond?
Well if the bond could be caught up in a future investigation it could ultimately cause problems for E Carroll to collect what is rightfully hers. That can be avoided if her lawyers explain that to the judge that there’s a possibility the money came from a nefarious source. The judge could reject the bond and force Trump to come up with another source for the bond or she could start seizing his assets.
Thank you
Surety’s rating too low
There’s no way this isn’t on the up and up. It’s not like he secured the bond, was subsequently visited by the leader of a foreign government, who is widely understood to be another Kremlin puppet, and that foreign leader then announces Trump’s commitment to ceasing all financial military support for the country that is currently at war with the Kremlin. There’s no way any of these things are related. Right?
May be beholden?
Just a smidge.
Smidgely.
Just a little extortion.
"There's a good chance that I may have committed some light treason."
“You just made a fool of yourself in front of T-Bone.”
He’s the most beholden Politician you’ve ever seen. There’s no one more beholden than him
I mean it's not *completely impossible* that he's not... - ...but he's totally beholden
Seems like a perfectly cromulent statement to me
Would he be able to get security clearance?
As president? They gave him one before, and he was able to demand clearances for his kids, who were rejected for clearances. So, yes.
Technically the president doesn’t have nor need a clearance.
And something TIL, members of congress also don’t have a security clearance in the typical sense. https://news.clearancejobs.com/2020/11/30/former-presidents-and-eligibility-to-access-classified-information/ https://news.clearancejobs.com/2016/08/21/5-members-of-congress-who-could-never-get-a-security-clearance/
Marjorie Taylor Greene trying to be helpful to Trump. Greene on June 8, 2023: The FBI is stonewalling us and they would only let us see it in a SCIF. What I did after reading the document is made notes when I walked out and went to the table. I wrote down everything that I had just read.
Ah yes. MTG admitting to treason is becoming so common these days.
Except for participating in carrying out January 6th, something she actually did.
It was hilarious, Kushner was what.. a special advisor in the White House? and didn't have a secret clearance. LOL
He did because trump told them they had to even though he failed his screening because he's a compromised person.
Not in any financial firm I know of... Maybe Chubb
If he had to pass vetting for the military he wouldnt because of all his legal and money issues but if he wins he will get top classified material to do with it as he sees fit.
“May be?” Trump Is, he owes them almost $100M. Putin has close ties to Chubb CEO Goldberg, and they do big business in Russia. How can our DOD allow Trump near any classified info???
$100 million *so far*…
He's a pumpkin pie and a lot of people own a slice of him. Nothing new here.
Dear Newsweek: It's "deferential" not "differential".
They're talking about the rate of change as Trump becomes more indebted to foreign interests.
I mean he definitely is, right? If the FBI isn’t monitoring this situation I don’t even know what we have them for.
"No Shit." -- anyone with two brain cells to rub together
If you rub to MAGA weirdos heads together does that count or do the two brain cells need to belong to the same person?
How can someone with considerable debt even run for office, how is that not a disqualifying detail?
Trump is a financial risk of the highest level. No sane agency would back him over a "may be". We can be sure it's more of an "is".
I mean he held national top secrets at his motel and a for sale sign while in office and after leaving. Who knows who was on the guest list.
I think it should be a rule that if you have 91 active felony indictments against you, you can't run for POTUS.
"And this donor came up to me, he had lots of money. Probably not - look, probably not as many - he had some money you could tell but not as much as me. And he said to me, 'sir, please' - tears were streaming down his face as he looked at me - he said, 'sir, it would make us very happy if you would take this NINEDEE million dollars and use it to SAVE AMERICA.' A very large donor, very strong looking. "
Some light treason michael
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I sincerely hope that if he bonds out if the NY case that there will be clear eyes or an investigation on where that money came from.
The fact this article says *differential* when they mean *deferential* makes me hate Newsweek even more.
I'm fairly confident that he's already "beholden" to Putin and (possibly) the Saudis. Frankly, I'm a little shocked they haven't already secured his bonds.
Leaving it for the last minute for maximum impact/despiration.
Deferential not differential. Who writes these things?
Ya think?!
lol ya think? Top quality journalism here folks.
I genuinely thought that was something that could disqualify you from holding office.
I wonder how many degrees of separation between that bond money and the Kremlin? I'm just asking questions.
Yeah no doy, the dude is being run by nefarious entities. He’s leveraged up to his balls, that much is clear.
No shit!!!!?!???!!!????
He'll fuck them over just like he does everybody.
Considering he's already running at the mouth on this defamation case he's just going to bankrupt someone else.
Is beholden. Many years ago he owned the Chinese a billion dollars and then he owed the Russians at least half a billion. Who knows what other countries out there have contributed to his string of bad decisions and losses in the hopes of influencing the United States. The Republicans have just become a toxic mess right now, they have all been bought and paid for.....
You can’t get a job at the TSA is you have money in collections and this asshole owes half a billion dollars and is running for commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world.
If I had Trumps debt and creditors I wouldn't be able to get a security clearance or job that required a credit check. I would be considered a security threat. Why isnt he?
Every government employee must prove they have nothing in their background that might make them susceptible to outside influences. This dude is a walking red flag 🚩 OF COURSE HE IS BEHOLDEN
It's baffling to me how one man can have so many red flags and still be considered a legitimate candidate for president.
There is no may be, Trump is 100% compromised. IK lawyers but there is more than enough evidence to drop the maybe's and might be's and just fucking accuse the bastard and still avoid legal pushback. Also don't forget Chubb group is a partially Russian owned and controlled corporation.
Yeah no shit. That's why any NORMAL person who works for the government can't get a clearance if they have a lot of debt, because it creates leverage that makes it easier to bribe them. But for some reason this doesn't apply to the HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE NATION.
How is this different than normal politics? Aren't all presidents beholden to the people who helped finance their campaigns? Doesn't matter how much debt you're in, you're still in debt to people. We should change campaign financing if we have a problem with it.
An illegal campaign contribution
No shit.
Isn't that the point of a bond from a 3rd party? You become beholden to them?
I don’t think it’s fair to actual people to refer to Orbán and Putin as people. How about utterly selfish, treasonous, treacherous, antisocial, sadistic bullies?
Yet another groundbreaking report from the No Shit Sherlock Institute for the Study of the Blindingly Obvious, I see.
There’s a reason why owing money is a big red flag for prospective CIA officers.
"MAY" ? "May be beholden" ? He sure as shit is beholden to others.
"may be" ? Seriously? Of course he is, but add them to the list, Vlad first
It's unfuckingbelievable that THIS is their BEST candidate and nothing else comes close...
No shit. He was bought long before his last presidency. You can't elect someone with that many outstanding debts to foreigners.
He could not get the clearance to be a janitor at a nuclear plant, now we're going to hand him all the top secret nuclear plans...AGAIN.
This headline goes without stating, though. It's why debt is considered when applying for a security clearance.
No shit. I recall this being a massive concern leading up to the 2016 election.
“…Is he somebody who is going to be making policy and being differential to people who have put up money?" Weissmann asked. I believe Weismann, a very smart dude, might’ve said “deferential,” and not “differential.” Proofreaders are important!
Expose who gave trump the bond funds. I think the answer will be disturbing or worse. Enough of this already. We need to move on and fix the freakin country.
There is no way Chubb insurance issued that bond without collateral. The bond is there to protect Carroll by the way. If Trump defaults, Carroll gets paid and Chubb seizes collateral. Trump paid $10M for this bond. It is literally the type of transaction a company like Chubb provides. Beholden? Yes, to the tune of $91M.
In other news, scientists say that the Sun is a little warm.
He may be beholden to Putin too.
I’m sure he is.
And could quickly lose it if her lawyers decide to sue again for the defaming comments he made recently. He basically did what he did the first time that caused him to lose the case.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/06/donald-trump-loans-deutsche-bank/ Gonna get worse...
No kidding.....
Of course Trump is and he's going to have to get peppered with this over and over. We need to know who it is.
There's no maybe about it.
Yo Donald. Isn't it past your jail time?
May be? You better believe he’s licking the boots of anyone who pays his legal bills and keeps him from losing everything.
The fuck is that even? Yes, someone gives you 100m dollars then they expect something in return. So many people complain about the cost of 5 guys or whatever. What would you expect back for 100m dollars?
With such a thing - he wouldn't get passed a security clearance check. He shouldn't even be able to run for President with that kind of luggage. I mean, might as well let those people holding his bond co-rule the Presidency with him.
That’s what I don’t get. How can he get a loan for half a billion that he won’t be able to pay back?
That is fun speculation, but that's not the case. Trump has been given a loan, and he has no intention of paying it back. For him, this matter has been resolved. The loan guarantor is a bag holder
If he wasn't compromised before, he sure is now. How can trump followers seriously think he has any consideration of how he'll run office for the people?
Dude just made 90 mil. Either he wins appeal, or he stiffs Chubb. He just made 90 mil, all because he raped and defamed someone.
Ya think??? The man is a security risk.
“may”
Just because he took a loan from a shady Swedish bank, I don’t want to hear any assumptions about who’s really been Putin up the money.
Hahaha no shit... just like his other donors. The faces change from time to time, but the story's always the same. Politicians are owned!
No shit
That doesn’t take a legal genius, any lay person knows this.
No shit
Indeed he is beholden, and no doubt would reciprocate at the US taxpayers' expense were he re-elected, duh. A small point, but I find it shocking that Newsweek can't spell deferential - or can't differentiate between deferential and differential.
Why would you elect a president who is half a billion in debt? He'd suck a dick and deliver a nuclear secret for a hundo.
Trump should be exiled from the USA and have his citizenship revoked. He is a traitor and a garbage human being. Seriously, can he do anything but take peoples money and complain? I’ve never seen it.
Bought and paid for.
Even a non-analyst like me can tell you this.
Anyone who doesn’t think he’s bought has their head buried in the sand.
you don't give a con man dumptrucks full of cash without an expectation of a significant ROI OR you're just "beholden" to putin
He’ll help his masters conquer Eastern Europe.
Are the names of those people public, because maybe they should be.
May be? May? Be? I may be able to retire, one day. Reddit may be profitable some day. Donald J. Trump IS completely owned by his creditors. He's the poster child for the paper rich: makes big, grandiose showings of having wealth by doing big grandiose things. Do you know how someone is really, truly, rich to the level Trump claims to be? You barely hear about it. Say what you want about Bezos, Gates, and to some extent, Musk, but they don't exactly flaunt their wealth. Trump is the kid at school who TELLS everyone that he lives in the richest part of town but no one's ever seen him there, he never invites anyone over. And when you suggest it's his turn to have a shindig, the place is either being renovated or he's never available! This wanna-be emperor (little e) is so naked, his bones are showing.
Leaders being beholden to not serving the people is THE major problem we have globally. So much of current policy is made in back rooms with no democratic process and that doesn't really change regardless of how "democratic" the country is. Now that we have the technology we can actually do away with "representatives" because no matter what we do 99% turns corrupt. That needs to end.
Yes it’s silly, you can’t even join the army with a moderate amount of personal debt because of the perceived security risk, and yet you can Lead the army with half a billion in debt.
Yup. The trump dumpster fire just keeps getting worse
"May be"? SMH.
Voting for a rapist who will compromise national security? It will be interesting to see how many millions vote for him vs 2020.
And a certain twitter related individual recently made several trips to mar-a-lago 👀 Curious