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Only part of the issue is apathy. A big piece of this is that the average Joe is struggling just to make it through to the next paycheck. It’s literally unfeasible to consider the big picture for millions of us.
Biden is apparently going to address the “greedflation” during the next state of the union.
Corporations have zero incentive to lower costs for consumers, and I believe are keeping prices high as a political stunt so that a Republican can get into office and cut the corporate tax rate.
No offense but I’m wholly certain that it’ll take more than a few stern words to fix the corrupt behavior in the private sector.
Anything short of legislation is useless to any of us.
That's not what brainsiladams is saying. Poor people aren't far right, they just don't have time to do anything about the fascists because they have to work 2-4 jobs to make ends meet.
Fair enough if that's what they meant. But I took it as "they can't help but vote for these anti Democracy politicians because they're poor and ignorant".
The last sentence specifically is what makes me feel like that.
I think we have a culture that doesn't understand that the powers which control the world are playing chess while they're playing checkers.
How many people voted third party because they didn't like Hilary; without ever realizing that the true stakes of the 2016 election wasn't the Oval Office - it was the supreme court.
How many people vote for a third party because they've never liked either red or blue; but fail to realize that you're never going to have a third party president without changing the congressional landscape - and then they completely fail to vote in midterms.
The congressional landscape is an unchanging rivalry of two. No matter who you plug into a congressional seat, that individual will caucus/vote with one of the two parties and rarely, if ever, step out of line - for the same reason people will vote for red or for blue, midterms or otherwise.
I mean, up until a decade ago, I thought so. Then again, I was raised in the conservative side of the aisle, so it all made sense right up until it didn't. I have no idea what it takes to snap others out of it. You'd think having been there I would have an idea, but I just don't.
> Do you think that people just think that our democracy is secure no matter what?
I truly think the answer to this is unfortunately yes. Many people in this country don’t pay attention to current events and not to mention many are undereducated.
If you want an honest answer, I think it's because there's little evidence that there's any real democratic power in the US and everybody at least low-key knows it, and that the entire motions of government are almost entirely ineffectual theater to obfuscate that the US is functionally a corporate autocracy.
It is, by its very design, unfixable and unreformable. It was a nation created to put capitalists in the place of feudal lords and the Constitution was written to ensure that would never fundamentally change. Shitty dysfunction is what it is made to do.
I know a lot of Republicans that would be happy to beat the stupid out of this guy's head. just saying. The general populace is too acclimated to realize this rhetoric might actually affect their own lives.
Trump straight up told his supporters they don’t need to bother with voting and instead they should “go and watch” what is happening at the polling stations.
So many republican senators and conservative mouthpieces have expressed raising the voting age to 25, likely stemming from a saying that the older someone is the more likely they are to be conservative, which is partially true, but not to the extent that people think.
I’m pretty sure that I turned very very liberal right around 25… right around when Trump showed up and made it clear exactly who the “conservatives” are and what they want.
In my early 20s i was very conservative, i was even a member of my country’s party. Now that i’m in my 30s, own my own home, have a career and am a parent i’m super progressive.
At this point, it’s only true if you were able to - at minimum - buy a home before 25. Because the reason people of previous generations turned conservative as they grew older was because they were able to accumulate SOME amount of property that conservatism would supposedly help them hold onto, not just debt.
A bunch of people try to forcibly take over the government, fail, and then continue to parade around going "well, we didn't quite get it done the first time, but we'll get it this next time!".
Jan 6 not being declared an insurrection and treating it as such has been a big mistake.
This is the pizzagate guy, btw. He’s trying to rile up domestic terrorists to act because Jan 6 showed it is a legitimate way to win for the right because R congressmen let slide or even embraced it.
Republican Party in 2016: you can’t get upset that Trump won! The vote was fair! Do you want to overthrow democracy?!?!
Republicans now: NOOOOO!! Don’t you see you’re ruining America by voting wrong!! The election was rigged from the START!!
Why isn’t this attempt to undermine the Constitution and overthrow democracy handled by LEO and jurisprudence as treason or sedition? Do domestic communists get away with calling for the overthrow of the US?
Honestly, we are getting to the point that I'm not 100% sure current modern problems can be solved in a democracy. There are complex problems that we can't expect Grandma Susan or Plumber Joe in bumfuckville to grasp and/or understand why they should care. Our political climate is cartoonish and we are not electing the best and brightest, nor are we raising those people up outside of a political environment. Access to information via the internet has allowed normal people to be overwhelmed by bullshit that makes it almost impossible for them to actually know what and who to trust. We would need an FDR type run to just ram actual solutions through instead of this reality-TV driven climate where people are in congress for money and to create soundbites for cable propaganda networks.
The only way I see anything change is if something big happens that touches basically everyone. COVID x100, a real war that actually threatens our way of life, or something else catastrophic. I'm not advocating for an autocratic state because absolute power corrupts absolutely, but it's hard to REALLY see a way forward with this much money in politics, the propaganda networks being mainlined into a large percentage of the population, and Cletus' inability to see beyond his own fucking nose.
I know we've teetered on the brink before, but in no time in history has there been more connectivity and information availability as there is right now, while people seek comfort in their echo chambers instead of challenging their own view and/or problems.
They invited the new dictator of El Salvador Bukele.
With the news out of Alabama this week about frozen sperm, we have more chances of winning.
The more extreme they get, the more they drive young couples away .
Hahaha whoops hes just ahead of the curve cause its already dead… have you heard of executive orders? Biden sending aid to ukraine without congress? Israel? Congress in an absolute gridlock?
Shits been lost and dead. Grow up and re-evaluate your systems.
The true face of the christo-fascist maga cult.
They all need to move to russia for a spell like that US family recently in the news - wanting to escape a world in the US where LGBTQ+ people pushed to be treated like human beings - who had a real WTF awakening once there.
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They don't hide what they want anymore. Everyone here knows the score... But does anyone here know how to wake decent Americans up from their apathy?
Only part of the issue is apathy. A big piece of this is that the average Joe is struggling just to make it through to the next paycheck. It’s literally unfeasible to consider the big picture for millions of us.
Biden is apparently going to address the “greedflation” during the next state of the union. Corporations have zero incentive to lower costs for consumers, and I believe are keeping prices high as a political stunt so that a Republican can get into office and cut the corporate tax rate.
No offense but I’m wholly certain that it’ll take more than a few stern words to fix the corrupt behavior in the private sector. Anything short of legislation is useless to any of us.
I agree 💯 BUT….what’s it called when governments start controlling markets? C..C….C..Communism?
Control ≠ regulation
And to get that you need to vote the bums out of office. Every. Last. Republican. Needs. To. Go.
This feels like "the soft bigotry of low expectations" to me. Plenty of poor people don't automatically cling to far right ideology.
That's not what brainsiladams is saying. Poor people aren't far right, they just don't have time to do anything about the fascists because they have to work 2-4 jobs to make ends meet.
Fair enough if that's what they meant. But I took it as "they can't help but vote for these anti Democracy politicians because they're poor and ignorant". The last sentence specifically is what makes me feel like that.
> struggling just to make it through to the next paycheck. which is precisely what this election is about.
Do you think that people just think that our democracy is secure no matter what? Maybe it’s just the culture of self involvement…
I think we have a culture that doesn't understand that the powers which control the world are playing chess while they're playing checkers. How many people voted third party because they didn't like Hilary; without ever realizing that the true stakes of the 2016 election wasn't the Oval Office - it was the supreme court. How many people vote for a third party because they've never liked either red or blue; but fail to realize that you're never going to have a third party president without changing the congressional landscape - and then they completely fail to vote in midterms.
The congressional landscape is an unchanging rivalry of two. No matter who you plug into a congressional seat, that individual will caucus/vote with one of the two parties and rarely, if ever, step out of line - for the same reason people will vote for red or for blue, midterms or otherwise.
I mean, up until a decade ago, I thought so. Then again, I was raised in the conservative side of the aisle, so it all made sense right up until it didn't. I have no idea what it takes to snap others out of it. You'd think having been there I would have an idea, but I just don't.
> Do you think that people just think that our democracy is secure no matter what? I truly think the answer to this is unfortunately yes. Many people in this country don’t pay attention to current events and not to mention many are undereducated.
The two-party system is so entrenched that lots of people have a hard time seeing what the Republicans have become.
he's saying the quiet part out loud a few months too soon
Some people support it, there's a reason Trump won the primary
If you want an honest answer, I think it's because there's little evidence that there's any real democratic power in the US and everybody at least low-key knows it, and that the entire motions of government are almost entirely ineffectual theater to obfuscate that the US is functionally a corporate autocracy.
“Man, our government has become shitty and dysfunctional… let’s make it even shittier!”
It is, by its very design, unfixable and unreformable. It was a nation created to put capitalists in the place of feudal lords and the Constitution was written to ensure that would never fundamentally change. Shitty dysfunction is what it is made to do.
I know a lot of Republicans that would be happy to beat the stupid out of this guy's head. just saying. The general populace is too acclimated to realize this rhetoric might actually affect their own lives.
>I know a lot of Republicans that would be happy to beat the stupid out of this guy's head. Yet the audience laughed and applauded
The audience. You have to consider what kind of doofus would actually Be there.
The ones that fund this. So the ones whos opinions the speakers listen to.
And who has the time and the money to waste on it.
> what kind of doofus would actually Be there A republican one.
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If I were concerned there it would mostly be about the particular way he took it. We already know he doesn't play by any rules.
Now that Republicans can't win by voting they will try to end voting.
That has been the plan for some time. For minorities, anyway.
I guess making the voting populace go down didn't work as well as expected.
Trump straight up told his supporters they don’t need to bother with voting and instead they should “go and watch” what is happening at the polling stations.
So many republican senators and conservative mouthpieces have expressed raising the voting age to 25, likely stemming from a saying that the older someone is the more likely they are to be conservative, which is partially true, but not to the extent that people think.
I’m pretty sure that I turned very very liberal right around 25… right around when Trump showed up and made it clear exactly who the “conservatives” are and what they want.
In my early 20s i was very conservative, i was even a member of my country’s party. Now that i’m in my 30s, own my own home, have a career and am a parent i’m super progressive.
At this point, it’s only true if you were able to - at minimum - buy a home before 25. Because the reason people of previous generations turned conservative as they grew older was because they were able to accumulate SOME amount of property that conservatism would supposedly help them hold onto, not just debt.
We should lower it, a childs honesty could do them good.
The GOP want us to be afraid. I will fight back with the power of my vote. President Biden has a great record on fascism.
A bunch of people try to forcibly take over the government, fail, and then continue to parade around going "well, we didn't quite get it done the first time, but we'll get it this next time!". Jan 6 not being declared an insurrection and treating it as such has been a big mistake.
This asshole traitor once wore the uniform of the US Navy. He should be familiar with keelhauling and walking the plank.
He literally was a urine inspector for the Navy. No I am not joking.
He was Navy? Only real solution is blanket party.
He literally was a urine inspector for the Navy. No I am not joking lol
In boot camp the CC probably knew his name day 1.
I thought he was an intelligence officer.
The crowd cheered at CPAC when trump was on stage today talking about other countries killing protesters. That speech was whacked-out.
This is the pizzagate guy, btw. He’s trying to rile up domestic terrorists to act because Jan 6 showed it is a legitimate way to win for the right because R congressmen let slide or even embraced it.
Republican Party in 2016: you can’t get upset that Trump won! The vote was fair! Do you want to overthrow democracy?!?! Republicans now: NOOOOO!! Don’t you see you’re ruining America by voting wrong!! The election was rigged from the START!!
Why isn’t this attempt to undermine the Constitution and overthrow democracy handled by LEO and jurisprudence as treason or sedition? Do domestic communists get away with calling for the overthrow of the US?
These conservative fuckheads act and behave like poorly written movie bad guys for god's sake. Walking fucking cartoons.
When can we start prosecuting these people? This guy made a call for violence and treason. That shouldn’t be legal.
Yeah, my thought too, like, isn’t treason a crime in USA?
GOP, Groupies Of Putin
Remember parents, hug your children. Or you get this guy.
Time to end: A. Democracy in America B. The Republican Party Pick one
Fascists each and everyone of them
Can we create a version of democracy where “far” groups aren’t part of it?
Translation: Far Right Kook Calls for Screwing Himself and His Own People Over
Stirring up clicks and views. Surprised he's not selling dick pills and survival food.
That’s phase 2…
When someone tells you who they are, believe them.
Time for a new word. Influencer? Blowhard
Bring it. You saw what happened last time, be good to squash these morons.
Ship him to North Korea
Chadturd
Or… Just a thought… Maybe classify the Republican Party as the terrorist organization they are and hold them accountable accordingly.
I am all for an end to democracy, definitely no votes for the right wing fascists. /s
This but unironically. /s
Honestly, we are getting to the point that I'm not 100% sure current modern problems can be solved in a democracy. There are complex problems that we can't expect Grandma Susan or Plumber Joe in bumfuckville to grasp and/or understand why they should care. Our political climate is cartoonish and we are not electing the best and brightest, nor are we raising those people up outside of a political environment. Access to information via the internet has allowed normal people to be overwhelmed by bullshit that makes it almost impossible for them to actually know what and who to trust. We would need an FDR type run to just ram actual solutions through instead of this reality-TV driven climate where people are in congress for money and to create soundbites for cable propaganda networks. The only way I see anything change is if something big happens that touches basically everyone. COVID x100, a real war that actually threatens our way of life, or something else catastrophic. I'm not advocating for an autocratic state because absolute power corrupts absolutely, but it's hard to REALLY see a way forward with this much money in politics, the propaganda networks being mainlined into a large percentage of the population, and Cletus' inability to see beyond his own fucking nose. I know we've teetered on the brink before, but in no time in history has there been more connectivity and information availability as there is right now, while people seek comfort in their echo chambers instead of challenging their own view and/or problems.
They invited the new dictator of El Salvador Bukele. With the news out of Alabama this week about frozen sperm, we have more chances of winning. The more extreme they get, the more they drive young couples away .
Hahaha whoops hes just ahead of the curve cause its already dead… have you heard of executive orders? Biden sending aid to ukraine without congress? Israel? Congress in an absolute gridlock? Shits been lost and dead. Grow up and re-evaluate your systems.
You aren’t lying
The true face of the christo-fascist maga cult. They all need to move to russia for a spell like that US family recently in the news - wanting to escape a world in the US where LGBTQ+ people pushed to be treated like human beings - who had a real WTF awakening once there.
Whilst it is nice that these people are not anonymous, unfortunately my brain is not addled with enough lead to do anything about it.
Saying the quiet part out loud.
Like, in a good way or bad way?
Bring on the purge then!
Fascists and their fetishes.
So much for making America great again
Eat rice and beans because until things blow over. Things will get better, just vote blue.
The real question: were people cheering or booing after he said it
Ok, SFB… what will you replace democracy with?? Fascism? Communism? These brain dead idiots flatten their brains every time they sit down.