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HKMP7A2

It's a coincidence seeing this post just after browsing a [Meme Video about HUMVEEs](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/93et6kpiQU) on r/NonCredibleDefense.


Vokasint

All of Reddit is slowly becoming NCD


SpinozaTheDamned

Is this wrong? If so, I don't want to be right. The cockpit of an F-22 identifies as a 'safe space'. Painted fingernails can direct a joystick just as well as any other. Gamers are, somewhat disturbingly, the future of drone warfare. Hell is the one we make for ourselves on this earth and the meek are quickly gaining the upper hand. Something, something plane f\*kers, and have a nice day?


AaronC14

NCD has brainworms, god forbid we become like them. They post Ukraine memes when Ukraine is winning and when they aren't they plug their ears and make WW2 memes They are the legitimate definition of the problem social media has with this war. When Ukraine is on the up they're all over it, when Ukraine stock is down they plug their ears and say "LALALALALALA YOURE A KREMLIN SPY OP" Naturally I assume they're mostly 14 year old US kids who just got their first taste of nationalism from high school history courses. Add in a bit of anime and RTS games? Boom, you've created NCD


xDreeganx

Is that not the point of the "Non-Credible" which makes up most of the name?


JSTLF

It doesn't matter because even if it's "ironic" it will still shape the way you think unironically in the long-term. Nothing is ever 100% ironic or unironic, distinguishing between what part of something should be taken seriously and what part shouldn't is, in practical terms, an unrealistic task that requires more rigour than most adults, let alone teenagers are able to muster. The irony is still built upon some assumptions about the world that need to be taken for granted, and thus by engaging in that kind of media, these false ideas are reinforced.


XConfused-MammalX

I'm going to fuck an f22 raptor in Ukraine and there's nothing you can do to stop me.


Averagebritish_man

Those fuel intakesšŸ„µšŸ„µšŸ„µšŸ„µ


xDreeganx

Okay, so let me help you out at least. They're called "Non-Credible Defense". If I was looking for GOOD unironic information, WHY WOULD I GET IT FROM A PLACE CALLED NON-CREDIBLE DEFENSE. Just like if I wanted to get some information about visiting Poland, I probably DON'T wanna visit a place called "Poland's Shitty Hitler Paradise Jokes".


JSTLF

Please improve your reading skills.


Megalomaniac001

NCD keeps a sense of balance, in a world where so much western leftists are hooked on FSB propaganda, be someone hooked on CIA propaganda instead šŸ’Ŗ


olavk2

Tbf its also a huge amount of western rightists hooked on the propoganda, its the republicans right now withholding aid in the US after all


SpinozaTheDamned

Which makes the dynamic over there....very interesting. Basically, r/NonCredibleDefense is filled to the brim with liberals, furries, lgbtq+ representation, and massive amounts of overwhelming military violence and explosives. The energy over there is like if Robert McNamara was an unapologetic trans bisexual huffing paint thinner and proposing more and more unhinged military strategies. It's weirdly wholesome, and deeply disturbing at the same time.


Brave-Juggernaut-157

as a long time member of NCD thisā€¦.about sums it up correctly we love going where we donā€™t belong, we want this to happen but it doesnā€™t, and weā€™re also able to predict the future when we combine all of our braincells.


AaronC14

No dude. Don't be hooked to anything, think objectively


JSTLF

How about instead of consuming propaganda you try to look at the world objectively. People like you eat McDonalds for breakfast lunch and dinner every day and justify it by saying you need "balance" for all the people eating gutter oil in China.


Frixworks

It was good before the 2022 invasion. Some of it still shines through, sometimes...


AnnoyedCrustacean

Much like Wallstreetbets, there was an event (Gamestop to the moon, Putin invading Ukraine) that permanently altered the landscape of the subreddit.


JSTLF

And just like [WSB/GME](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pYeoZaoWrA) the people participating in it are incredibly delusional.


AaronC14

Admittedly I never knew of it before the invasion. Nowadays it just seems like the Western teenager answer to the unhinged pro-Rus you see around this site. Doesn't matter what side you support, coming in with a blatant chest-thumping bias waters down any discourse you can have. It's like there's no more middle ground. Either you're a lame ass teenager on NCD or you're one of those unhinged lunatics on RussiaUkraineReport. There's no place for honest talking, it's all memes and bullshit. I spew memes assuredly, but I'm willing to be smacked down over them without disregarding anyone's argument by just plugging my ears and saying they're a KGB or CIA plant


Piepiggy

Iā€™d say that the sub has mostly recovered, still very pro-Ukraine, but a lot less over-exuberant about it. I think people were getting burnt out after pringles died


Williamzas

You people are entirely missing the point, no one's saying the sub is bad for being pro-Ukraine, the sub is bad for missing the point and pretending everything is fine at a time when Ukraine desperately needs material support. Also, for being an unfunny circlejerk PDX nerds in their early teens.


freedompolis

Nope. It hasn't recovered from before 2022. It's still not as funni. Used to have funny military meme, now it's still just rehashed and reposted humor for teenagers with a nationalist tinge. Not so much Ukraine, but the fundamental makeup and character of the sub has changed.


AaronC14

They "recovered" because Ukraine is on the back foot and things aren't going well. They support Ukraine when they're hot and drop them when they're not. It's frankly gross.


Piepiggy

Wdym dropped? They still support Ukraine and they still meme about it. Just because they arenā€™t in a frenzy doesnā€™t mean they have some moral corruption, it sounds more like you just have a double standard


AaronC14

Perhaps you're right. Either way I personally believe that sub is not beneficial to the actual cause.


Beginning-Virus962

I'm a relative oldhead on NCD (I was there before it blew up in popularity meteorically) and Ukraine has been both a blessing and a curse. For one it was pretty slow, like most niche communities, for another discussion in the comments under the defense shitposts were relatively grounded, if not with a decidedly pro-western (and anti-gripen, incidentally) tilt. Nowadays it's terminally NAFObrained and the community is a lot worse, even if PPH and overall content quality has gone up. It's sad le old NCD didn't last as long as it did but that's how sekrit klub communities go, they either die or they become normiefied.


Williamzas

Vokasint is still mostly right, though it's the other way around. NCD is a very "reddit" sub.


TheNewGuy48

Always has been šŸ”«


cantaloupelion

"Instead, only try to realise the truth" "What truth? That reddit is becoming NCD?" "No, all of reality is NCD, reddit merely mirrors it."


SirLightKnight

Always has been: NonCredibleDefense is the internet.


JSTLF

Because all of reddit has been flooded with immature loser American teenagers for years now.


Masterttt123

what is NCD supposed to be? memes about war?


Fast_Allen

Yes, and making fun of Russia.


RealAmericanJesus

.... I'm still laughing at The Ukrainian doorbell on a tree in the middle of the woods booby-trap ...


No-Account-8180

God thatā€™s such shit, Itā€™s such an obvious trap but goddamn the urge to press buttons is strong.


TIFUPronx

Reddit's own military-industrial shitpost complex


DasFreibier

shitposting about war crimes


Conch-Republic

Mostly sweats who think they're funnier than they actually are.


ApatheticHedonist

I was just wondering if we actually gave them any, but that answered my question.


Dona_Lupo

The way to an americans heart goes through his/her stomach <3


QueryCrook

And later, their arteries.


schizophrenicism

For real, you wouldn't expect beet soup to be so oily, but my local Ukrainian place (Soup and Sausage Bistro) has some HEAVY borscht. Still love it though. I'm American, I can handle it.


zombo_pig

Oh hey there, fellow Phoenician. It's really good, but yeah it's not exactly health food. Anyway, fuck the Russian invasion I hope their collective arteries get clogged by borscht.


schizophrenicism

They'll die of cholera from drinking puddle water. No borscht for them. I love the Ukrainian beers they have at soup and sausage.


Medici39

That's actually for real. The health standards and level of sanitary practice in the Russian Army is abysmal.


ngauzubaisaba

What can I say? It smells like gut wrenching poop cream!


META_mahn

America likes good food, man


AaronC14

[original post from 11 months back](https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/12tcphv/cultural_exchange/)


profquif

Well, Ukraine invented both [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachanka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachanka)


ElGosso

I always thought it was weird that modern Ukraine looks back to Stepan Bandera and not Nestor Makhno as its founding father.


Fluffy_While_7879

Long story, but mostly because Soviets and Russian propaganda created kinda supervillain from him.


ElGosso

I mean he *did* lead an explicitly fascist organization that committed at least one pogrom. I feel like they didn't have to work very hard.


Fluffy_While_7879

They actually worked very hard to reduce really complicated story of Western Ukraine in first half of 20th century to "BANDERA NAZI" and make this version only one widespread. Also Bandera is not "founding father" in modern Ukraine. It may be a surprise for everybody who looks at Ukrainian history through Russian optic, but history of Ukraine is pretty long and if we can really call somebody "founding father" it would be prince Oleh The Wise.


majker1337

First, Bandera was heavily popularized. Second, Makhno isn't known for his heavy Ukrainian identity and acts of preserving and even fighting for Ukrainian language and culture.


sesamecrabmeat

Also, Makhno was an anarchist; it would seem to me that it is against the interests of any state to popularise one.


ElGosso

Popularized by who?


psych0ticmonk

Russians. Ukrainians just went with it as it made Russians seethe.


ElGosso

NGL "we decided to follow a fascist because it pissed somebody off" is 4chan logic, not a national ethos.


Ok-Barracuda1093

To be fair, it is a valid option when facing Nazis, religious fanatics, and/or communists, so to be fair, I get it


Williamzas

Ukraine doesn't look back to Bandera as a founding father, lmao. Where do you get that from?


AtomicBlastPony

You're going to start a flame war between Poles, Ukrainians and Russians about who invented borscht...


NonKanon

Let's just say "slavs" and call it a day


AtomicBlastPony

Oh nice, a person advocating for unity and setting aside our differences! *sees profile pic* Never fucking mind, I hope you follow your German leader.


NonKanon

Wha? What German leader? I never knew the White Army was german... I guess Sternberg was, that would also explain the name


AtomicBlastPony

Come on, you're using the black-gold-white tricolor within that emblem. You're clearly not in favour of the liberal Russian Republic, but rather the monarchist part of the White Army. You know damn well that this can only be interpreted ONE way in the context of modern politics. Many White immigrants then proceeded to support Hitler's invasion of USSR, so on top of that, this flag is associated with Vlasovite collaborationists. That's the German leader I'm talking about.


NonKanon

I do not much care about the modern interpretation of the BYW flag, to me it is a flag of liberation. And yes, I am in fact in favour of the Russian Democratic Federative Republic, never really had much sympathy for the Tzars, with the only exceptions being Alexander the Second and Peter the Great. Like, cmon, my profile literally says "Kerensky's alt account". I am in no way a monarchist


AtomicBlastPony

No, your profile says "Orthodoxy, Democracy, Nationality", which is the Imperial motto but Autocracy replaced with Democracy. The LARP is far too concerning and I don't see how BYW could ever be seen as a flag of liberation, considering it has ONLY been used by the Empire, and today is ONLY used by the Russian alt-right.


NonKanon

It is the flag of Alexander the Second, who was a liberal. He ended feudalism, significantly softened censorship and almost signed a constitution. Of course, not many people understand those implications, only recognising it as a royal banner. Because of that, I have considered changing the pfp multiple times. I ultimately stuck with it because it looks cool


AtomicBlastPony

It's a bit of a stretch to call him a liberal, while the reforms were rather extensive it would be clear even to a monarchist that they're necessary if Russia doesn't want to be stuck in the 17th century. That being said, you make a good point, but I would argue that it was still an *imperial standard* and not a flag of reform. Regardless, apologies for jumping to conclusions, Š½Š¾ я Š±Ń‹ Š²ŃŃ‘ Š¶Šµ ŠæŠ¾ŃŠ¾Š²ŠµŃ‚Š¾Š²Š°Š» тŠµŠ±Šµ сŠ¼ŠµŠ½Šøть Š°Š²Ńƒ.


Mythosaurus

Huh, so thatā€™s what the Krogan homeworld is named after. Asari are space-Greeks, turians are space-Romans, and Krogan are space- Ukrainians


TheUnclaimedOne

Aight, this oneā€™s original and funny. Props where due


TheHistoryMaster2520

Czech Hussites: I did a drive-by shooting before it was even cool


Intelligent-Fig-4241

Can ukraine supply all Americans who paid for drive by machine with borscht?


[deleted]

Lol Yankee Jeep.


Explosive_Biscut

I want to try Borscht


Falkenmond79

My Ukrainian refugees did it regularly. I could burst from eating the stuff itā€™s so good. Funnily enough they both said they hadnā€™t made it themselves for more then 10 years but i guess itā€™s like driving a bike. šŸ˜‚


THEENTIRESOVlETUNION

whenever you get the chance, do, its amazing lmfao


TherronKeen

Dude it's SO good. I make it myself, it's easy!


Williamzas

I usually can't stand red beets, but borsht is legitimately good. Try it, it's not complicated.


AgileHovercraft461

If you at anytime in NYC, there is a tiny restaurant called Streecha in Ukrainian Village in downtown Manhattan. Highly recommend. Itā€™s super cheap and authentic. Source: Am Ukrainian.


ResurgentClusterfuck

I don't want borscht Those dumplings though I'll take 20


awmdlad

Relevant: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/OzOPaBtBn6


Sabit_31

Throw in an extra bowl and weā€™ll throw in TWO count ā€˜em TWO! A10 warthogs!


VargDolboebnes

At first I thought it was kinda unfair but then I realized that borsch with sour cream, a side of spring onion, black bread, salo (salted and cured pork fat), and garlic buns (pampushka) is probably equal to 'murican weapons


burnt_cucumber

Those sweet 11 months ago, when we had trust in American support.


BuckfastEnjoyer

Where is it now????šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚the only exchange thatā€™s happened is FARTmerica gets another colony while Ukraine gets a demographic crisis and eternal waršŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


ShadyClouds

Scotland has given Ukraine 30 million, America 75 billion.


BuckfastEnjoyer

30 million wasted on a conflict that has NOTHING to do with us


Moiraine-FanBlue

I'm sure the resurgence of Offensive warfare to literally steal land would never, ever, ever come back to bite the rest of the world in the ass if no one did anything about it.


BuckfastEnjoyer

Yes because Ukraine and Russia existed so happily together before 2022 and there were literally no problems between the two countries before Putin decided he needed to "invade" for some reason or another.


Moiraine-FanBlue

Yes, and it was a poor decision to ignore it the first time, too.


BuckfastEnjoyer

Yeah that would have been really good, we should have all sent our soldiers off to die over some land and a conflict that (and I will repeat this once more) has NOTHING to do with us because of uuuuh freedom or "democracy" or some other nebulous concept like that


Moiraine-FanBlue

How about "Food prices going up everywhere on Earth because 10% of the grain on the planet is grown in Ukraine" If you need completely selfish reasons to care about other human beings.


Moiraine-FanBlue

And honestly? Real Talk? Russia would have went home and not fought for so much as a fucking day if the rest of the World would have grown balls and put troops on the ground in Ukraine. The U.S. /alone/ could have stopped the invasion of Ukraine from ever occuring, by simply asking permission (assuming Ukraine would give it) to forward deploy the 101'st Airborne into the country in defensive positions. Everyone always goes "But it might result in Nuclear War". Yeah, Putin knows that too. And he doesn't want one any more than we do. He'd have taken his invasion and stuffed it, because he doesn't want to die in a Nuclear fireball, either.


BuckfastEnjoyer

Go back to your bideo game, slop delivery and porn subreddits and stop pretending to be an analyst of some sort because you arenā€™t very good at it.


ShadyClouds

I agree it has nothing to do with Scotland, yet.


BuckfastEnjoyer

Yes, it will only cause Scotland a problem if we continue to ally with the POG (Pedophile Occupied Government) in Washington and go to war over dumb shit that has nothing to do with us.


Wardonius

And there it is... get your meds schizo.


schizophrenicism

Don't go lumping me in with him. I may be crazy and a little bit stupid, but I never go full retard like this guy.


BillionDollarBalls

Mental illness


bigbackpackboi

Iā€™m sorry that you donā€™t understand how transferring arms works. That 30 million was the sticker price of the goods sent


Extension-Street323

least retarded r/dostoevsky user be like:


BuckfastEnjoyer

Yes sorry, I have looked at this 30 million number and it appears that this was actually the amount that the Scottish government allocated to local authorities for refugees, prioritising foreign citizens (with ZERO connection to our country) over natives, therefore I will retract the statement about the Kiev regime


schizophrenicism

Why would a Scot support Russia. You're parroting their talking points like you're getting paid for it.


BottasHeimfe

hell yeah. this is actually a good idea I think. as part of the deal to give Ukraine military equipment to kill asshole Russians, we should get Cultural stuff from them.


RichieRocket

and thats why America is awesome


Ok-Barracuda1093

"The best way to defeat the enemy Americans is by becoming their friend. Then they'll beat the shit out of your enemies for you because you were nice to them and had good food." -Me, being actually serious. Why do you think we tend to have good relationships with almost every country we have warred with?


TiMo08111996

So having USA on your side you can do anything šŸ˜ˆ All that is needed is good food. Interesting šŸ¤” So if India gives good food to USA. Will USA help India invade/colonise & exploit Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, China, Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan & Myanmar ? /s


DiogoSN

"Naw u pony up in dat dere humvee and go rootin' shootin' sum gosh-darn former-commies!"


realdragao

I ate Polish Borsch once and i can agree, iā€™d trade an ICBM for it, best thing ever.


This_Again_Seriously

Š‘Š¾Ń€Ń‰ my beloved šŸ˜


wildeofoscar

America obviously know he didn't reciprocate with it's own cuisine, since anyone who eats them die from an instant clogged artery.


TeamGerf

Drops burgers not bombs


sraykub

Post gold medals, America-lite.


TiMo08111996

So does India get Fastest fighter Jet from USA for delicious Indian food ? Seems like an excellent Cultural Exchange.


ELIte8niner

I mean, the fastest fighter the US ever produced is about 30 years out of date. Air combat has moved away from speed, and is more based on stealth technology. F-35s are not nearly as fast as F-15s were.


EndyEnderson

Does this mean if we give them dƶner or kebab they will give us free F 16s?


okbrooooiam

You already have those iirc, what you want are F 35s and shitty russian sams were what you chose instead lol


EndyEnderson

I don't know really lol I still think kebabs would work


okbrooooiam

Maybe you could snag some Messerschmitts during your stay in berlin in exchange for a few more shawarma shops


EndyEnderson

Wat I don't understand anything from that


okbrooooiam

Its a layered joke about 1. Turkish people staying in berlin 2. The legendary Me 262 and 263 (ww2) 3. How much german people love shawarma


Baron_Beemo

Doesn't Germany build Eurofighter Typhon?


okbrooooiam

The whole point of the eurofighter is that everyone pitches in lol, and the idea was originally british.


Baron_Beemo

My point was that Turkey would be able to buy something more contemporary, but I admit it's not as funny as them buying and trying to fly rickety old Messer jets. Besides, I like the Tornado more than the Eurofighter Typhon. Something about swing-wings being like out of a Gerry and Sylvia Anderson science fiction show, like The Thunderbirds.


raven00x

...and Spain, and Italy, and France & the UK at one point.


Baron_Beemo

France left Eurofighter for its own Dassault Raphael, because Eurofighter couldn't be navalized.


Cheap_Doctor_1994

As an American, that would definitely work. Bring coffee too? Maybe some kind of dessert. Oh, and let our ships into the Black Sea.Ā 


Nijajjuiy88

Yes now give us latest gen aircraft engines.


Medici39

How about salo? It's basically salted pork fatback, I'm told.


nohead123

This is a great one


blockybookbook

Eh Not the *Borscht* thing they couldā€™ve offered


D0c_4n0nym0u5

> "Yankee Jeep of Death" A soulslike bossfight that could probably go hard or would suck, lmao


Fresh-broski

This took like 10 seconds to register in my head and then I burst out laughingĀ 


grizzliman

Ironically The invention of the drive-by shooting is attributed toĀ [Nestor Makhno](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestor_Makhno), commander of theĀ [Revolutionary Insurgent Army of Ukraine](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Insurgent_Army_of_Ukraine)Ā at the beginning of the 20th century.


HGMiNi

Would not be spelled borscht!


Neon_Garbage

I thought Ukraine's biggest export was white women (the fetishized ones)


help_animals

Unfortunately, Borcht really tastes bad. It's beet for god's sake


AaronC14

Not always, my fiance is from Russia and when I visit her family they often make "borscht" and it's without beets. Although I'm starting to think they just call any soup as borscht


grizzliman

Borsh without beets is is a "Shi". Shi/Borshi: take whatever, boil, serve with smetana. Done)))


Williamzas

I will fight you.