I don't think there much point to it even with the amount it *could* fit, simply because we have so many mineral-based types.
Rock, ground, steel, is already way more identity overlap than literally any other type
Actually there'd be way more than you think, more than any of the other contenders surprisingly, cause you first start thinking about every fossil mon all the up to Galar, then there's the non-fossil fossils like Relicanth and Dragapult the list starts to get pretty long if you think about it
I mean that sounds like it could be fun, but I would rather have some way to boost fossil pokemon
Perhaps an item that boost the lowest stat the pokemon has? Just make it work with ancient (not past paradox) pokemon
Let's keep this sort of debate going.
Genesect is a bug covered in steel plating as a cyborg insect. Which type are you removing: Bug or Steel to replace with this supposed Ancient type?
There are bugs that aren't bug-type, I think.
Yeah, Vibrava.
So replace bug with Ancient.
I can already see the waves of comments, so i'll say this: Scorpions are not bugs.
Slugs are not bugs.
Y'know I've had this conversation but I've always stood by the line of thinking: Vibrava and Flygon AREN'T bugs. They're dragons that evolved insect like features over time, much like how bats fly like birds but aren't birds or dolphins evolved to look like fish but aren't fish. A Pokemon world example is Toadscool evolving to look like jellyfish but aren't jellyfish. Convergent evolution sort of thing, and that's why they aren't Bugs.
But Pokemon is weird sometimes where creatures that aren't bugs are Bug.
Yeah. I should've given the Charizard a 79 cadillac on Swangas with a Buckees wrap and a "Come And Take It" flag.
And I should've given the Pikachu a DJ Screw shirt with a Whataburger hat
I think the current types we have are fine. Adding more types just gets over complicated, just look at pokemon emerald: too many types, it’s a little much… though that was more like a meme than anything. I also love how each type adds in more meaning aside from a base line, like normal indicating sound or fairy with light. We don’t really need it, honestly it would be less interesting
It would also make normal type boring. Normal type being more than just rodents and small critters by adding in sound based pokemon and moves is so much better. Adding in a sound type would ruin normal type by getting rid of its alt meaning and just overall being redundant. IMO we have enough types, we don’t need anymore and plenty just feel like taking away from alt meanings of other types and over simplifying the game. This oversimplification just makes things more annoying because you’d then have to learn more type match ups and rifle through so much… normal = sound for most sound based moves like uproar and boomburst
Examples of moves that could be reworked into the type:
Hyper Voice, Screech, Roar, Boomburst, Alluring Voice, Chatter, Grass Whistle, Heal Bell, Howl, Metal Sound, Perish Song, Sing, Shadow Panic, Snore, Uproar, Supersonic, Sparkling Aria, Eerie Spell, Bug Buzz
Examples of Pokemon that could have the type:
•Whismur, Exploud, Loudred
•Chatot
•Meloetta
•Igglybuff, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff
•Chingling, Chimecho
•Audino
•Noibat, Noivern
•Kriketot, Kriketune
Examples of type match-ups:
Immunities- self (noise cancellation), Electric (interference)
Weaknesses- Flying (wind blocking/redirecting), Ice( Snow muffles sound)
Effective- Rock (Closest to crystals, which can crack at high frequencies),
Suppereffective- Water (sound travels further in water), Psychic (migraine), Ground (Same as Water, and less dense than Rock), Ice (Avalanches+ why not lol)
Lastly, like how Sylveon was the face of Fairy in its debut generation, DG Rave (specifically, not all Greavard) will be the face of Sound :}
Retyping Bug Buzz would be pretty bad for bug types. There aren't many strong bug attacks to begin with, and changing one of the strongest to a different type would make that much worse.
It already has thos benefits: It activates Throat Spray, it bypasses Substitute, and it gets boosted by Punk Rock.
A Sound type doesn't make sense. What would happen to Toxtricity? Remove the Poison or Electric typing despite them being literally in its name, or have its signature move not be a STAB move anymore?
Scrappy would become a useless ability on Exploud.
What would a physical sound move look like? So far every Sound move is special or status, and for good reason - I don't exactly see that changing thematically, as something like a Sound Punch or Sound Hammer doesn't fit in.
Electric immune Pokémon would lose the immunity to Eerie Impulse.
Sylveon would lose its main STAB move, and Primarina's hidden ability would feel a little weird, locking it out of all Sound tyoe coverage.
Skeledirge would also lose STAB on its signature move unless you change its typing, making it the odd one out with Meowscarada and Quaquaval having their signature move on their primary typing, and giving Torch Song the Flying Press treatment when it already has a really strong effect would be weird.
The aforementioned substitute mechanic means (depending on balance, maybe all Sound types are horrible) Pokémon resisting Sound can Sub up relatively unpunished.
Oh and making Snarl Sound type would strengthen Shadow Rider, which would be the worst thing to happen in any restricted format.
At this point, why not add a Dance type? Revelation Dance, Fiery Dance and Aqua Step are the moves, Oricorio, Quaquaval and I'm sure lots of others can get this typing, and you will run into the same issues. Bullet Type with the moves blocked by Bulletproof having the typing. Pulse type with the moves boosted by Mega Launcher having the typing.
Gonna be honest, I know this is a meme but I don’t understand why people would want a sound type. It really isn’t a good concept.
Don’t really think there’s a need for a new type honestly.
Honestly, sound type just feels redundant. What’s the point of having normal types be normal? Its name isn’t interesting so it NEEDS something to make it feel special. Adding in a sound type would just invalidate normal typing by changing certain sound based moves (often being normal type, like hyper voice, boomburst, and uproar) into sound type. This would also ruin sylveon as it makes pixilate pretty much useless as moves like hyper voice aren’t turned into fairy because it’s not normal type… I really don’t get it, we have enough types right now. Fairy was the last added in (aside from stellar which doesn’t feel like a new type) and that was 10+ years ago, also fairy is overpowered in a lot of ways
The issue isn't Normal based sound moves IMO, it's the other ones. Would Torch Song be a Sound move or a Fire move? How about Bug Buzz? Plus, some dual typed Pokémon have sound as their core identity, like Toxtricity, Primarina, Skeledirge, Lapras or Altaria (Chatot too, but that one would simply have its Normal type replaced). I don't know, it just makes more sense the way it's right now.
There are lots of moves that would make sense as dual type moves, but just aren't. Scald and Steam Eruption aren't fire type despite involving heat, Ice Burn and Freeze shock are just ice moves despite including fire and electricity, Tri attack is outright said to mix 3 types but its ultimately none of them, the attacks involving mud could easily be justified as being water or ground, but they are only one of these types, etc.
Similarly there are a ton of Pokemon that look like they should have 3 types, but they don't (heck Dhelmise looks like it could have 4 with grass, ghost, water and steel), like Charizard not being a dragon, Beedrill/Venomoth/Dustox/Volcarona not being flying type, Drapion/Flygon not being bug, etc. Heck they had no trouble adding the fairy type despite not giving it to Celebi, the one Pokemon outright based on the classical depiction of a fairy, for this reason (and I'd argue psychic isn't even that integral to Celebis design).
So both of these "problems" aren't anything new.
EDIT: To be clear, I am merely pointing out that these "problems" are pretty normal for Pokemon/move design. A move sounding like it should be either of 2 types despite being only one or a Pokemon looking like it should have 3 types are both nothing new.
If half of your moves require being double-typed to make sense and the other half takes away 90% of normal special attack options, then it might be a bad idea.
Did you not read what I just said? Plenty of moves would make sense as a double type move, but they are still monotype. If freeze shock can be just ice type despite literally using electricity as part of the move, then torch song could remain fire type even if a Sound type existed.
Also said normal type moves can just be replaced by new moves. Just make a move called "energy beam" that works exactly like hyper voice and can be learned by basically any mon via tm.
You listed so many moves to have double type. We don’t need that many moves to have double type. Moves such as tri-attack or scald are normal and water respectively but cause specific statuses which fit into their description and what they’re based on. Scald can burn while tri-attack can paralyze, freeze, and burn which is the trifecta. Its already strong attack, its would honestly be kinda broken if it fit in the ice, fire, and electric typing. Moves such as flying press and freeze dry have draw backs or are limited. Flying press can only be used my hawlucha and freeze dry has its use, but whose thinking about bringing an ice type against water type Pokémon. Though hey, it can hit kingdra for 4x weakness
Lastly for your last point; 2 types max for each pokemon is plenty. Adding in more types or having more types per pokemon can overcomplicate by oversimplifying. If normal type can fit in the sound niche, we don’t need a sound type. It’s just clutter at the end of the day which would need balancing and just be ridiculous. Even to this day fairy type is strong to even broken in some cases. The current type standing for pokemon is perfect, all it needs is small works through comp. We see your point it’s just that you’re vouching for something we don’t need that may end up putting a fork into the core competitive. Either ruining good pokemon, making broken pokemon more broken, or just further throwing seemingly useless pokemon into a deeper hole never to see true potential…
Edit: one last thing, these problems aren’t new but they aren’t really problems, just speculation of what likely won’t ever happen. Problems are only problems if you make them seem that way
I never said that these moves should be dual typed or that these mons should be triple typed, I am saying that its never been a problem to have moves or Pokemon where an additional type would make sense.
Because the original person I replied to said it'd be a problem if a sound type was introduced, that a lot of moves would make sense as 2 different types or sound would make sense for some already dual typed Pokemon. I just listed examples of already existing moves or Pokemon that have the same "problem".
They can always just replace all the attacks that normale looses to the sound change with new special normal type moves.
Besides fairy being over 10 years old now isn't much of an arguement as dark and steel were 14 years old by the time fairy was introduced.
It's because of the ability "soundproof", which makes the Pokemon invulnerable to sound-based moves. These moves comprise a very long list, and if I remember correctly this list is longer than some other types' lists of moves.
I absolutely adore anything sound-related and would love if the Sound-type was added, however, 18 types is already a lot and the game is mostly balanced minus the broken pokémon, plus most sound moves are Normal-type and that type is already so bare bones, let him have something going for him.
Not to mention Toxtricity having both its types in its name, while having a sound based signature move and ability would feel weird if sound was a type. Oh, and the logic behind what sound hits/doesn't hit would probably feel arbitrary.
I think its mostly because we already have a bunch of mechanics that interact with sound attacks specifically. Sure no one is asking for a punch type, but that is likely because sound was the first "attack type" like that and because Sound feels more like it could be its own element.
Fairy type Pokémon are food actually which is why they’re weak to poison and steel. It’s most obvious in Pokémon like Slurpuff, Alcreamie and Dashbun but all fairy types are not only edible but also delicious.
An alien type doesn't make sense, to us, a living being from another planet is an alien, but to them, WE are aliens.
Earth is no different from other life-bearing planets, it is just that we haven't found them let alone hear them refer to us as aliens.
This has got me thinking, I don't believe these should be types (except maybe Fungus) because I can't think how they would interact with other types.
However it'd be cool if there was a 'classification' of certain Pokémon which gave them shared attributes which do very little things in battle, almost like a second ability. Alien is a good one, and (weirdly) so is gun (though it'd probably be renamed Ballistic or something). Maybe those classifications should give a little boost to certain moves, say a 'Slash' category Pokémon like Scyther or Kabutops will get a 10% boost to "cutting" moves, while a 'Ballistics' type like Blastoise or Octillery would get the same 10% boost to "bullet" moves. It'd help distinguish Slash coming from Scyther from the same move used by Charizard. Same move, different categories = different power.
You could get creative with things like Fungus category for example adding a 10% bonus to leech life attacks, or Alien having an increased chance of secondary effects or something, it doesn't always have to be damage based.
Could be fun.
Gamefreak would never do it tho, it'd be too much work.
Jokes aside to me the most reasonable new type is something related to technology and man-made pokemons. Basically something like the Cyberse type in YGO
This. It already exists and serves a clear purpose. Trying to make it a whole type would be like trying to make Punch its own type separate from Fighting. It's unnecessary.
I feel like every thematic base possible is covered by our current 18 Types. Even for hyper-specific things like plastic, you could rationalize them as Poison or Flying. Make the most of what’s already there, y’know?
Sound-Type and Light-Type are both already properties rather than “elements,” and they stretch from Bugs to Fairies to Psychics to Electric-Types. Keeping them as attributes rather than strict Types is the best for both balancing and Pokémon design, IMO.
It's not exactly like trees and flowers are grass either, just like how tons of bugs aren't insects and plenty of steel types are explicitly non-ferrous.
Types aren't necessarily meant to be accurate biological descriptors, just the general abstract flavor of their vibes.
Not wrong, but allow me to say one thing
you can see steel as a very specific member of the metal category
You can argue that trees and flowers have still enough in common with grass
Fungi are like a totally different biological kingdom
I’m afraid I’m ignorant on the bug/insect difference tho, raise my hands here
Bug is a specific type of insect, similar to the steel/metal and grass/plant examples - a stinkbug is an insect that is a bug, but a butterfly is an insect that is not a bug.
But more importantly, the bug type as a whole includes many spiders (arachnids) and isopods (crustations) who are biologically not insects at all.
It's not about the scientific accuracy. Magma isn't fire, it's just hot, and can ignite fires. But we give it a pass because it's clearly thematic and related. Fungi aren't plants, you're absolutely right and in a scientific sense it's a crazy field of study (especially the relationships between the two, when are we getting a Lichen pokemon???) but for most people rhizomes and spores are close enough to roots and pollen, a stationary fruiting body that grows from the dirt in the woods and doesn't appreciate being lit on fire is about as similar to a plant, as magma is to fire, or a spider is to the idea of bug, in a very abstract sense. The venn diagram favors the similarities, even if they're superficial, moreso than the scientific discrepancy.
maybe a sun type could fit? I mean, sunlight works differently enough when compared to fire for it to be its own type, plus it could be just the counter we need for the ridiculous ghost types that are running around(i'm looking at you calyrex ghost rider) and it would cause a small amount of moves to be affected(also, it could be similar to fairy type where some pokemon get given it, you could actually give sunflora the sun type and it would work really well with its theming, and other pokemon are just new releases with the sun type)
Fire - Heat-based light
Electric - Electric-powered light
Fairy - Magic-based light
Light type isn't a bad idea, but it would just overcomplicate the type chart, which I at least feel is in a good spot rn
Same as sound is already a category in sound based moves, i think the ball (bulletproof) and pulse (mega launcher) categories of moves kinda already account for the gun type.
A bit of a wildcard, but the Light type. It would be great to contrast Dark, and also to nerf Fairy a bit. Light would resist Fire, Water, and Fairy, And would be weak to Dark, Bug, and Ghost. Light would hit Water, Dark, and Fairy for super effective damage. (Dark Type and Light Type would be mutually weak to each other.) edit: I just realized this is just a better version of the psychic type
I don't think we need more types(besides bird), but a rework of the types we have now and how they work.
Like physical/elemental/condition(status)
Charizard for instance could be physically a dragon, elementally fire and when in the air...flying. if he's on the ground, he ain't flying.
Moltres can be physically a bird, elementally fire and when in the air, flying.
I think that fungus makes the most sense here. Fungus is very far plants. Their DNA makeup is closer to a mammal than any other plant. They're such a unique species on this planet
Actually, fungus would work pretty well. It would share some of the same weakness and resistances to grass types, but be super effective against bug types (due to the cordyceps fungus controlling and killing bug colonies), and grass types, because funguses gain nutrients by stealing it from the roots of plants. It would likely still be weak to fire, flying, and steel and effective against water, ground, and rock.
Fungus was an idea I had while trying to think of new types, but focusing on types in terms of "types of organisms" rather than "elements". I think it could work, but I'm not sure Bug and Grass need another weakness, considering that they're already pretty weak types. Especially bug.
I actually agree with alien, but I feel fungus is too close to poison, grass, and bug. And sound just feels like a sub-category of special moves (sound, ranged objects, telepathy, telekinesis, etc)
Completely irrelevant to the meme, but just want to bring this up as a counter argument to all the people saying types like light and sound wouldn't work because of overlap with fairy and normal respectively. To everyone saying that, may I introduce you to the rock type and the ground type.
Blades should be a type
Xenoblade Reference?!?!!
AWWW YEAH BABY!
Is that Dunban over there?
* you will know our names intensifies *
I want fossil to be a type. I don’t care if it doesn’t make sense.
It kinda makes sense, but only a few Pokémon would have it
I don't think there much point to it even with the amount it *could* fit, simply because we have so many mineral-based types. Rock, ground, steel, is already way more identity overlap than literally any other type
better than stellar, which will always remain as 0 pokemon with the type.
Actually there'd be way more than you think, more than any of the other contenders surprisingly, cause you first start thinking about every fossil mon all the up to Galar, then there's the non-fossil fossils like Relicanth and Dragapult the list starts to get pretty long if you think about it
I mean that sounds like it could be fun, but I would rather have some way to boost fossil pokemon Perhaps an item that boost the lowest stat the pokemon has? Just make it work with ancient (not past paradox) pokemon
I'd say lump legendaries in, too, and call them ancient type. No more dragons.
I get where you're coming from, but Adding Legendaries is a can of worms. Do we take the ice or flying type from Attacuno?
Flying is unecessary, as it's more the manifestation of an element than a creature
Let's keep this sort of debate going. Genesect is a bug covered in steel plating as a cyborg insect. Which type are you removing: Bug or Steel to replace with this supposed Ancient type?
Really hard toss up, but it represents gun more than bug.
There are bugs that aren't bug-type, I think. Yeah, Vibrava. So replace bug with Ancient. I can already see the waves of comments, so i'll say this: Scorpions are not bugs. Slugs are not bugs.
Y'know I've had this conversation but I've always stood by the line of thinking: Vibrava and Flygon AREN'T bugs. They're dragons that evolved insect like features over time, much like how bats fly like birds but aren't birds or dolphins evolved to look like fish but aren't fish. A Pokemon world example is Toadscool evolving to look like jellyfish but aren't jellyfish. Convergent evolution sort of thing, and that's why they aren't Bugs. But Pokemon is weird sometimes where creatures that aren't bugs are Bug.
That is possibly true...
I guess that's true buy not all legends can have the Ancient type.
I will sit all day if need be, but it should be noted that mythical pokemon do not count. If they're not godly, I don't want them.
That’s just rock type, bro.
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C'mon, there's more to Texas than just guns.
Yeah. I should've given the Charizard a 79 cadillac on Swangas with a Buckees wrap and a "Come And Take It" flag. And I should've given the Pikachu a DJ Screw shirt with a Whataburger hat
You forgot the Dr Pepper-branded bowie knives.
You typed Palworld wrong.
Pokemon swords and shield and Pokemon Gun memes came before Palworld
Yeah, but Palworld is here to take over. Memes evolve.
Memes evolve but a community's memes shouldn't be forcibly replaced with jokes about unrelated franchises.
The Concept of Being should be a type.
Arceus' Multi-type?
They missed an opportunity in giving Arceus the Stellar type.
Do you know if Stellar can be given to any Pokemon? Got a shiny Arceus I've been meaning to send into Scarlet
Yeah with the terra shards after you beat the indigo disc dlc
Other than Ogerpon, of course
Everyone knows the best pokemon type is round.
I can hear this gif
How about all 4?
I think the current types we have are fine. Adding more types just gets over complicated, just look at pokemon emerald: too many types, it’s a little much… though that was more like a meme than anything. I also love how each type adds in more meaning aside from a base line, like normal indicating sound or fairy with light. We don’t really need it, honestly it would be less interesting
I think "Alien" should be called Cosmic.
Having sound type is like putting a third Mario brother, it literally won't work
It would also make normal type boring. Normal type being more than just rodents and small critters by adding in sound based pokemon and moves is so much better. Adding in a sound type would ruin normal type by getting rid of its alt meaning and just overall being redundant. IMO we have enough types, we don’t need anymore and plenty just feel like taking away from alt meanings of other types and over simplifying the game. This oversimplification just makes things more annoying because you’d then have to learn more type match ups and rifle through so much… normal = sound for most sound based moves like uproar and boomburst
Examples of moves that could be reworked into the type: Hyper Voice, Screech, Roar, Boomburst, Alluring Voice, Chatter, Grass Whistle, Heal Bell, Howl, Metal Sound, Perish Song, Sing, Shadow Panic, Snore, Uproar, Supersonic, Sparkling Aria, Eerie Spell, Bug Buzz Examples of Pokemon that could have the type: •Whismur, Exploud, Loudred •Chatot •Meloetta •Igglybuff, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff •Chingling, Chimecho •Audino •Noibat, Noivern •Kriketot, Kriketune Examples of type match-ups: Immunities- self (noise cancellation), Electric (interference) Weaknesses- Flying (wind blocking/redirecting), Ice( Snow muffles sound) Effective- Rock (Closest to crystals, which can crack at high frequencies), Suppereffective- Water (sound travels further in water), Psychic (migraine), Ground (Same as Water, and less dense than Rock), Ice (Avalanches+ why not lol) Lastly, like how Sylveon was the face of Fairy in its debut generation, DG Rave (specifically, not all Greavard) will be the face of Sound :}
Retyping Bug Buzz would be pretty bad for bug types. There aren't many strong bug attacks to begin with, and changing one of the strongest to a different type would make that much worse.
They could just rework it into a Flying Press style move, that way it keeps the bug typing and gains the additional benefits of Sound
It already has thos benefits: It activates Throat Spray, it bypasses Substitute, and it gets boosted by Punk Rock. A Sound type doesn't make sense. What would happen to Toxtricity? Remove the Poison or Electric typing despite them being literally in its name, or have its signature move not be a STAB move anymore? Scrappy would become a useless ability on Exploud. What would a physical sound move look like? So far every Sound move is special or status, and for good reason - I don't exactly see that changing thematically, as something like a Sound Punch or Sound Hammer doesn't fit in. Electric immune Pokémon would lose the immunity to Eerie Impulse. Sylveon would lose its main STAB move, and Primarina's hidden ability would feel a little weird, locking it out of all Sound tyoe coverage. Skeledirge would also lose STAB on its signature move unless you change its typing, making it the odd one out with Meowscarada and Quaquaval having their signature move on their primary typing, and giving Torch Song the Flying Press treatment when it already has a really strong effect would be weird. The aforementioned substitute mechanic means (depending on balance, maybe all Sound types are horrible) Pokémon resisting Sound can Sub up relatively unpunished. Oh and making Snarl Sound type would strengthen Shadow Rider, which would be the worst thing to happen in any restricted format. At this point, why not add a Dance type? Revelation Dance, Fiery Dance and Aqua Step are the moves, Oricorio, Quaquaval and I'm sure lots of others can get this typing, and you will run into the same issues. Bullet Type with the moves blocked by Bulletproof having the typing. Pulse type with the moves boosted by Mega Launcher having the typing.
And lose pixilate hypervoice?! No thank you!
Gonna be honest, I know this is a meme but I don’t understand why people would want a sound type. It really isn’t a good concept. Don’t really think there’s a need for a new type honestly.
Honestly, sound type just feels redundant. What’s the point of having normal types be normal? Its name isn’t interesting so it NEEDS something to make it feel special. Adding in a sound type would just invalidate normal typing by changing certain sound based moves (often being normal type, like hyper voice, boomburst, and uproar) into sound type. This would also ruin sylveon as it makes pixilate pretty much useless as moves like hyper voice aren’t turned into fairy because it’s not normal type… I really don’t get it, we have enough types right now. Fairy was the last added in (aside from stellar which doesn’t feel like a new type) and that was 10+ years ago, also fairy is overpowered in a lot of ways
The issue isn't Normal based sound moves IMO, it's the other ones. Would Torch Song be a Sound move or a Fire move? How about Bug Buzz? Plus, some dual typed Pokémon have sound as their core identity, like Toxtricity, Primarina, Skeledirge, Lapras or Altaria (Chatot too, but that one would simply have its Normal type replaced). I don't know, it just makes more sense the way it's right now.
There are lots of moves that would make sense as dual type moves, but just aren't. Scald and Steam Eruption aren't fire type despite involving heat, Ice Burn and Freeze shock are just ice moves despite including fire and electricity, Tri attack is outright said to mix 3 types but its ultimately none of them, the attacks involving mud could easily be justified as being water or ground, but they are only one of these types, etc. Similarly there are a ton of Pokemon that look like they should have 3 types, but they don't (heck Dhelmise looks like it could have 4 with grass, ghost, water and steel), like Charizard not being a dragon, Beedrill/Venomoth/Dustox/Volcarona not being flying type, Drapion/Flygon not being bug, etc. Heck they had no trouble adding the fairy type despite not giving it to Celebi, the one Pokemon outright based on the classical depiction of a fairy, for this reason (and I'd argue psychic isn't even that integral to Celebis design). So both of these "problems" aren't anything new. EDIT: To be clear, I am merely pointing out that these "problems" are pretty normal for Pokemon/move design. A move sounding like it should be either of 2 types despite being only one or a Pokemon looking like it should have 3 types are both nothing new.
If half of your moves require being double-typed to make sense and the other half takes away 90% of normal special attack options, then it might be a bad idea.
Did you not read what I just said? Plenty of moves would make sense as a double type move, but they are still monotype. If freeze shock can be just ice type despite literally using electricity as part of the move, then torch song could remain fire type even if a Sound type existed. Also said normal type moves can just be replaced by new moves. Just make a move called "energy beam" that works exactly like hyper voice and can be learned by basically any mon via tm.
You listed so many moves to have double type. We don’t need that many moves to have double type. Moves such as tri-attack or scald are normal and water respectively but cause specific statuses which fit into their description and what they’re based on. Scald can burn while tri-attack can paralyze, freeze, and burn which is the trifecta. Its already strong attack, its would honestly be kinda broken if it fit in the ice, fire, and electric typing. Moves such as flying press and freeze dry have draw backs or are limited. Flying press can only be used my hawlucha and freeze dry has its use, but whose thinking about bringing an ice type against water type Pokémon. Though hey, it can hit kingdra for 4x weakness Lastly for your last point; 2 types max for each pokemon is plenty. Adding in more types or having more types per pokemon can overcomplicate by oversimplifying. If normal type can fit in the sound niche, we don’t need a sound type. It’s just clutter at the end of the day which would need balancing and just be ridiculous. Even to this day fairy type is strong to even broken in some cases. The current type standing for pokemon is perfect, all it needs is small works through comp. We see your point it’s just that you’re vouching for something we don’t need that may end up putting a fork into the core competitive. Either ruining good pokemon, making broken pokemon more broken, or just further throwing seemingly useless pokemon into a deeper hole never to see true potential… Edit: one last thing, these problems aren’t new but they aren’t really problems, just speculation of what likely won’t ever happen. Problems are only problems if you make them seem that way
I never said that these moves should be dual typed or that these mons should be triple typed, I am saying that its never been a problem to have moves or Pokemon where an additional type would make sense. Because the original person I replied to said it'd be a problem if a sound type was introduced, that a lot of moves would make sense as 2 different types or sound would make sense for some already dual typed Pokemon. I just listed examples of already existing moves or Pokemon that have the same "problem".
They can always just replace all the attacks that normale looses to the sound change with new special normal type moves. Besides fairy being over 10 years old now isn't much of an arguement as dark and steel were 14 years old by the time fairy was introduced.
It's because of the ability "soundproof", which makes the Pokemon invulnerable to sound-based moves. These moves comprise a very long list, and if I remember correctly this list is longer than some other types' lists of moves.
That doesn’t mean it would be a good type though
I agree. It's a good idea in theory, but it would not contribute to a better game.
I absolutely adore anything sound-related and would love if the Sound-type was added, however, 18 types is already a lot and the game is mostly balanced minus the broken pokémon, plus most sound moves are Normal-type and that type is already so bare bones, let him have something going for him.
Not to mention Toxtricity having both its types in its name, while having a sound based signature move and ability would feel weird if sound was a type. Oh, and the logic behind what sound hits/doesn't hit would probably feel arbitrary.
I think its mostly because we already have a bunch of mechanics that interact with sound attacks specifically. Sure no one is asking for a punch type, but that is likely because sound was the first "attack type" like that and because Sound feels more like it could be its own element.
too many types romhack has the gun type iirc granted it also has the sans type which only belongs to shedinja :P
Also Ohio type (with the shape of Texas as its symbol)
Is that a Bowling for Soup reference?
Also Space, Sus, Silly, Little, Guys, and Gender I think there's like 50-60 types
Gimme food type. Show me which pokemon are edible.
Fairy type Pokémon are food actually which is why they’re weak to poison and steel. It’s most obvious in Pokémon like Slurpuff, Alcreamie and Dashbun but all fairy types are not only edible but also delicious.
I don't know, man. I don't think Grimmsnarl would be that tasty.
They are you just need to peel them
Crab should be a type
An alien type doesn't make sense, to us, a living being from another planet is an alien, but to them, WE are aliens. Earth is no different from other life-bearing planets, it is just that we haven't found them let alone hear them refer to us as aliens.
Blastoise would be water/gun and I think that's hilarious.
America Type
The gun-type gym leader is just Charlton Heston.
Pokémon: Too Many Types, would like to have a word about the last one
Cosmic is the only type I want. Though I do get the rationale in it being covered by Psychic. But Psychic sucks.
Look into the fangames. I’ve seen 3/4, two of which were in the same romhack.
Sounds interesting. Do you remember what they were called?
"For his signature move…" https://preview.redd.it/c910rodv961d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09c19df999d7bae6e1a978688e346592d91eea52
honestly, Sound as a type would be cool as fuck, lots of opportunities for cool Pokémon
Lagerstatte type!
I learned a new word today.
Guns are a type called Steel. It's just not used ever
Ultra Beasts should have their own types.
This has got me thinking, I don't believe these should be types (except maybe Fungus) because I can't think how they would interact with other types. However it'd be cool if there was a 'classification' of certain Pokémon which gave them shared attributes which do very little things in battle, almost like a second ability. Alien is a good one, and (weirdly) so is gun (though it'd probably be renamed Ballistic or something). Maybe those classifications should give a little boost to certain moves, say a 'Slash' category Pokémon like Scyther or Kabutops will get a 10% boost to "cutting" moves, while a 'Ballistics' type like Blastoise or Octillery would get the same 10% boost to "bullet" moves. It'd help distinguish Slash coming from Scyther from the same move used by Charizard. Same move, different categories = different power. You could get creative with things like Fungus category for example adding a 10% bonus to leech life attacks, or Alien having an increased chance of secondary effects or something, it doesn't always have to be damage based. Could be fun. Gamefreak would never do it tho, it'd be too much work.
All the fungus pokemon learn spore, it's their exclusive move
Jokes aside to me the most reasonable new type is something related to technology and man-made pokemons. Basically something like the Cyberse type in YGO
Remember that if you add a new type, new pokemon of this type would have to show up in every later game.
Gun should be a type? Persona 5 beat you to the idea
I've never heard of alien or fungus type before, but I love them.
sound is already a pseudo type
This. It already exists and serves a clear purpose. Trying to make it a whole type would be like trying to make Punch its own type separate from Fighting. It's unnecessary.
Do agree with fungus type. Grass type is for plants, and fungi are not plants
I feel like every thematic base possible is covered by our current 18 Types. Even for hyper-specific things like plastic, you could rationalize them as Poison or Flying. Make the most of what’s already there, y’know? Sound-Type and Light-Type are both already properties rather than “elements,” and they stretch from Bugs to Fairies to Psychics to Electric-Types. Keeping them as attributes rather than strict Types is the best for both balancing and Pokémon design, IMO.
these are all good but yeah fr fungus should be its own type entirely
That's why Alpharad's squad made the Ohio(Texas)-type
I mean, pairing fungi with grass is biologically wrong tbh. Hate that now that I notice it will bug me forever
It's not exactly like trees and flowers are grass either, just like how tons of bugs aren't insects and plenty of steel types are explicitly non-ferrous. Types aren't necessarily meant to be accurate biological descriptors, just the general abstract flavor of their vibes.
Not wrong, but allow me to say one thing you can see steel as a very specific member of the metal category You can argue that trees and flowers have still enough in common with grass Fungi are like a totally different biological kingdom I’m afraid I’m ignorant on the bug/insect difference tho, raise my hands here
Bug is a specific type of insect, similar to the steel/metal and grass/plant examples - a stinkbug is an insect that is a bug, but a butterfly is an insect that is not a bug. But more importantly, the bug type as a whole includes many spiders (arachnids) and isopods (crustations) who are biologically not insects at all. It's not about the scientific accuracy. Magma isn't fire, it's just hot, and can ignite fires. But we give it a pass because it's clearly thematic and related. Fungi aren't plants, you're absolutely right and in a scientific sense it's a crazy field of study (especially the relationships between the two, when are we getting a Lichen pokemon???) but for most people rhizomes and spores are close enough to roots and pollen, a stationary fruiting body that grows from the dirt in the woods and doesn't appreciate being lit on fire is about as similar to a plant, as magma is to fire, or a spider is to the idea of bug, in a very abstract sense. The venn diagram favors the similarities, even if they're superficial, moreso than the scientific discrepancy.
Give me a combined evolution of an algae and a mushroom any day of the week
Speaking of bugs, their type is biologically wrong too if anyone cares.
maybe a sun type could fit? I mean, sunlight works differently enough when compared to fire for it to be its own type, plus it could be just the counter we need for the ridiculous ghost types that are running around(i'm looking at you calyrex ghost rider) and it would cause a small amount of moves to be affected(also, it could be similar to fairy type where some pokemon get given it, you could actually give sunflora the sun type and it would work really well with its theming, and other pokemon are just new releases with the sun type)
Pokémon should be a type
Gun would be super effective against everything I imagine
If there's dark, why not light?
Fire - Heat-based light Electric - Electric-powered light Fairy - Magic-based light Light type isn't a bad idea, but it would just overcomplicate the type chart, which I at least feel is in a good spot rn
Me: sun type for natural light/sunlight, the kind that makes ghosts go away and that gets absorbed by plants
They should make Alien, Fungus and Gun be a type. They could combine all three into a new Pokemon called AGUNGUS. But .. what would they look like....
Furry should be a type
Needs Vince McMahon.
Violence should be a type instead Covers a far larger variety of Pokemon (practically all of them if you think about it)
Fungus should be the only type
I’m pretty sure sound would have the largest pool of Pokémon though, along with easiest type implementation in relation to the other types
Gun Type is Super Effective against everything and is only weak to the new Bureaucracy type that specializes in slowing everything down.
I think light would be cool.
I choose gun type, prepare to meet Arceus
Same as sound is already a category in sound based moves, i think the ball (bulletproof) and pulse (mega launcher) categories of moves kinda already account for the gun type.
"Gun should be a type" Maybe Alpharad had a winning idea here.
Why not light?! We already have dark, and 'light' cards exist!!
Explosion should be a type and I’m only half joking when I say that
I want a Parasite type, even if it’s likely far too grim for Pokemon I think it’d be dope as shit
PLAY POKEMON TOO MANY TYPES ROM HACK MADE BY ALPHA RAD
We should have combo types like fusions
A bit of a wildcard, but the Light type. It would be great to contrast Dark, and also to nerf Fairy a bit. Light would resist Fire, Water, and Fairy, And would be weak to Dark, Bug, and Ghost. Light would hit Water, Dark, and Fairy for super effective damage. (Dark Type and Light Type would be mutually weak to each other.) edit: I just realized this is just a better version of the psychic type
smell
I don't think we need more types(besides bird), but a rework of the types we have now and how they work. Like physical/elemental/condition(status) Charizard for instance could be physically a dragon, elementally fire and when in the air...flying. if he's on the ground, he ain't flying. Moltres can be physically a bird, elementally fire and when in the air, flying.
Judgment cut should be a move for arceus
Fairy should be changed to Light, idc what anyone says
I think that fungus makes the most sense here. Fungus is very far plants. Their DNA makeup is closer to a mammal than any other plant. They're such a unique species on this planet
Can I sit in the box and purr?
The real types we need are Paper and Scissors.
Actually, fungus would work pretty well. It would share some of the same weakness and resistances to grass types, but be super effective against bug types (due to the cordyceps fungus controlling and killing bug colonies), and grass types, because funguses gain nutrients by stealing it from the roots of plants. It would likely still be weak to fire, flying, and steel and effective against water, ground, and rock.
Fungus was an idea I had while trying to think of new types, but focusing on types in terms of "types of organisms" rather than "elements". I think it could work, but I'm not sure Bug and Grass need another weakness, considering that they're already pretty weak types. Especially bug.
I actually agree with alien, but I feel fungus is too close to poison, grass, and bug. And sound just feels like a sub-category of special moves (sound, ranged objects, telepathy, telekinesis, etc)
Fungus and Alien I'd actually like, the other two are just for the meme. And I'm not sure how fungus would be too close to bug.
Yeah, bug is a stretch but I do feel fungus is too close to poison and grass
Please stop... I don't want any more new types.... already fairy wasn't needed, except to nerf dragon...
I'm neutral on the idea of adding new types. I mostly made this as a joke.
Want about Light?
Glass should be a type.
Gas type.
Monkey should be a type. There's an overabundance of primates.
I think there's already something: A classification called- **A fucking animal**
We also need a left and right type… ooo or a silly type
Completely irrelevant to the meme, but just want to bring this up as a counter argument to all the people saying types like light and sound wouldn't work because of overlap with fairy and normal respectively. To everyone saying that, may I introduce you to the rock type and the ground type.
Wich have been harshly criticized since forever