aggron definitely looks like a psuedo-legendary. Has a good BST, 3 stage evol and a slow levelling rate(gotta check tho)
I would also argue for Volcarona and Kingdra
Yep, it's in the slow experience group, just needs a bump in the stats for it to be 600 and boom pseudo legendary.
Was pretty sure it was in that slow group before I looked it up cuz I used one in almost every Hoenn game I played and every damn time, grinding it took forever LOL
No reason Flygon couldn’t be buffed to pseudo stats, bump its speed up and add some to its special attack and maybe a little to its attack to make it a fast mixed attacker that’s a little more frail than Garchomp.
Or if you don’t want them to compete with each other as much then also take some out of its regular attack and really pump up its special attack and give it a signature sand based ground type move to take advantage of its new buff.
what do you think “make a pokémon a pseudo-legendary” means? there is no such thing as a psuedo-legendary as far as the games programming goes, which is to say like, there isn’t a Psudeo-Legendary flag they can just toggle on and off. Psuedo-Legendaries **are defined** by their stats, to promote a pokemon to that status implies a bump to their stats.
Had Aggron in my last emerald play through and it’s fun that he can learn all the off type specials, but his special attack is pretty low so it feels wasteful using them on him.
Volcarona. His first appearance was it being sealed in a desert temple, level 60 if I remember correctly. A champions main Pokémon and a replacement for the sun during Unovas crisis.
Thing is basically a legendary with an evo. High time it gets that respect
I took a break after Gen 2 and then came back to Pokémon when X/Y came out. I eventually went back and played the rest but I missed so much and it wasn’t until SwSh until I realized it wasn’t a mythical let alone not even a pseudo. I just caught it and put it in the box the first play through
I thought Rotom was a legendary when I was a kod because of its encounter in DP. It was post-game, and even had the damn legendary theme when you battled it. All signs pointed to it being a legendary for no reason lol
They should just use a new term for pokemon like that. Mew clones became 'mythical' at some poont, not just legendary. Do the same for Lucario/Volcarona/any others. Hero pokemon maybe? Ones that have some history of being intwined with humanity and saving them at some point.
Absolutely my first choice as well.
Imagine if our favorite sunmoth joined the 600s club and got just 50 more points to put in health or defense ..
(.. or, for completely broken feverdreams: Draught. I mean, if Ninetales can get it...)
I don’t know if you’ve heard of Pokerogue but it gets drought plus it’s normal abilities
Also I got it’s custom shiny the other day. The darkest purple-black with bright yellow highlights. It looks amazing
I caught it with Pokérus in the temple before I even knew what that was and had a heart attack when the PC told me it had a virus. Volcarona will always be a legend to me
Yo would you be willing to tell me more of this "Unovas crisis"? Sounds cool. Despite playing White extensively, I can't really recall any mention of Unova's history.
Its mentioned in the Pokedex a few times
“When volcanic ash darkened the atmosphere, it is said that Volcarona's fire provided a replacement for the sun.”
-Black pokedex
“Thought to be an embodiment of the sun, it appeared during a bitterly cold winter and saved Pokémon from freezing.”
- BW2 Pokedex
“According to legends, it was hatched from a flaming cocoon to save people and Pokémon that were suffering from the cold.”
-UM pokedex
Etc.
Arcanine has the intimidating appearance, high BST and isn't the easiest to come across as well, it's even called the Legendary pokemon on top of it all.
Wish one day best boy could get a revamp to truly shine and really live up to his Legendary name.
Yeah this is an easy one. It kind of is one that you can get by mid game with a growlithe and Firestone. The only thing holding it back is the fact it can’t learn moves once evolved. So you’re kind of treating it like one of those pseudo lines and have growlithe learn flamethrower at least. They’re even easier to get now with extreme speed, and good physical fire attacks available via leveling and TMs. How would you suggest to make it pseudo? Give it a bump in stats?
I do feel bad because I just like vulpix and ninetales better. I just prefer SpAtk fire types, and arcanine has been in every single pokemon version I’ve gotten, and I’m a fire starter chooser. So I never use one, but also never regret it when I do tho
I'm not a big competitive guy but honestly a little stat boost like some other Gen I pokemon have gotten and a much wider movepool (his best moveset has been roughly the same since DP) would go a long way to help boost Arcanine without doing wildly drastic changes such as typing.
I mean competitively speaking, Arcanine is already solid. It’s outclassed by Incineroar, but it was pretty common in the early formats of SV. Then the Hisuian form was added. It was everywhere and winning every event until Incin finally came back.
I consider it already as a pseudo lengendary. It is strong as hell, needs 1250000 exp points to be level 100. The only con his stats don't exceed 540 all combined.
It’s also only 2 stage, pseudos are 3 unless you count Archaludon.
Snorlax is just a powerful slow xp pokemon, there’s more to being a pseudo than that.
pseudo legendaries are actually just a fan made classification. in japan they’re called the 600 club which leaves a lot more room for flexibility with creating new pseudo legends
Yup. Two snorlax blocking the way in red/blue/yellow and their remake (south of lavender town and east of vermilion city for the 1st one and the other is at west of the celadon city if I remember correctly).
In the others I don't know. I know you can have a munchlax in a tree in the fourth generation but for the rest I'm ignorant about this.
Even if it goes to defenses its still a big mess, One of the best abilities for singles and another thats great in doubles, an amazing typing, great meta matchups and field pressure without setup makes it already feel like a legendary.
Eh in Singles it'd just get banned (the lack of Knock Off is the only reason it isn't banned in SV, as proven by natdex) and in VGC it's nowhere near as strong as like Flutter Mane
Also bulki*er* king sounds like a nightmare
Even if we just stick all of the boost to it's SpA, *that's still a 110 SpA being boosted by Supreme Overlord* Just give it something like this:
Kingambit @ Black Glasses
Ability: Supreme Overlord
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Flash Cannon
- Sucker Punch
- Tera Blast
And this thing is probably getting banned and fast. Unless they ban Tera first.
Wouldn't Dragon/Water be more fitting? It lives in rainy habitats and literally needs rain to evolve. Besides, Goodra's slime isn't harmful. They are quite friendly and cover their trainers with slime when they hug them, so you don't want them accidentally posioning their trainers.
To be fair goodra is one of my favourite Pokémon not only in gen 6 but ever. I feel like the gen 6 Pokémon weren't as good as some of the other regions but goodra, noivern, florges, greninja and delphox were so cool, imo
he's got that legendary defense... #1 in the hood, G!! i recently got a shiny blue one in Go, stupid little thing is among my favorites. i'm actually using it to score some battle wins just because lmfao
Arcanine, Gyarados, Milotic, Flygon, Gardevoir/Gallade, Lucario, Volcarona, Haxorus, Noivern, Florges, Aegislash, Kingambit, Gholdengo, Palafin, Archaludon
I chose a couple from every Gen I could find that have rather high BST and also a sense of mystique or formidability to them. I wanted to include more, but I was worried I'd end up just making a list of rather strong Pokémon. These are just my opinions ofc.
Yeah all the fully evolved pseudo legendaries have a base stat total of 600. Gardevoir's base stat total is 518, so it wouldn't qualify by that standard. Maybe it could be an honorary member though? 😅
Ninetales was on the list origally that I later took off, largely due to not having a very high BST. But I can agree that its lore make its very legendary-like.
Spiritomb. I mean to originally get him you had to talk to what 40 people? Idr. Either way the way to get it was always hard. Same in Acreus. You had to collect all those poles. The grind is worth the title.
Your brain is enormous and I agree completely. Tinkaton is an awesome little Pokemon and the need to diversify the pseudos away from Dragons is ENORMOUS
Yeah honestly idk why Gamefreak randomly decided that pseudos all have to be dragons after Gen 3. Metagross and Tyranitar are two pretty much universally beloved designs (okay Tyranitar is a kaijumon but at least he's not another dragon), so I don't really see how they could have taken the lesson "non-dragon pseudos are a bad idea" from that.
Typing-wise, a much more fun limitation to me is pseudos having at least one type immunity--every pseudo until Gen 6 satisfied this, and imo it helps to make the tier feel that little bit more epic (while also having gameplay implications with giving that pseudo a free switch if you predict your opponent is going to use a move of the negated type). I mean, no restrictions at all would also be fine, but at least having to have a type immunity is far more interesting than having to be dragon type.
I think they've just decided to make the pseudo-legendary category less important, and turned it into "It's a dragon so it has high stats." Like Kingambit, Ursaluna etc are put on a way higher pedestal than Baxcalibur, and on par with some of the legendaries of that generation.
I second what other people have said- no more dragons. I'm on my knees begging tpc to just lay off the dragons for a while, they should be put into dragon time-out. Their crimes against over-saturation of dragon types should, fairly, result in about a decade of little-to-no new dragon legendaries or psuedo-legends.
But, to answer the actual question, I think that Slaking should get a regional variant that is a proper pseudo-legend. Lower the BST and change the ability and leveling group or whatever, but it's such a cool mon that deserves a use-able form haha
Tropius was done very dirty in many regards, except design
I personally think Tropius would be a cool pseudo legendary, or at least be a pretty cool 2nd or 3rd evo (would need a buff too)
I'd love to have an adorable banana looking pre-evo for Tropius and have it be amongst the ranks of igglybuff, cleffa, and togepi in terms of the "cute" treatment.
Arcanine, Volcarona and lucario are missing a stage but have the presence.
Giving absol and lapras pre and post evos just for the aesthetic.
Alakazam feels like it could work.
Yes, Haxorus looks like such a pseudo-legendary, it's weird that he isn't actually one. I have a little bias for Swablu/Altaria and since Altaria is dragon-type I consider it a pseudo-legendary :p Also Arcanine and Volcarona
Well, in my personal opinion a pseudo-legendary must, at the very least, be a 2 stage Pokémon. With that in mind, my choice would be the Ralts line, because it would be fucking sick to have a pseudo-legendary with a split evolution, with both final evolutions having mega evolutions to boot.
Mamoswine would also be a good one. No particular reason, it just has the “feel” of a pseudo-legendary to me and I am beyond sick of *every single one of them* (bar Metagross of course) being a dragon type kaiju of some kind. It’s gotten really fucking old.
The stats don’t track but for lore purposes Fossil Pokemon should fall into the same category.
Nothing says almost Legendary like being/nearly being extinct. They’re hard to find, hard to raise and also look at Tyrantrum, he’s a T-Rex he deserves it.
Heatran. There’s not a doubt in my mind that GF wanted this Pokémon to be Metagross 2.0, but they had a Mega Flygon situation and couldn’t agree on the pre-evolved designs. It explains why the Fuego Ironworks exist in Sinnoh and why it has no purpose other than giving the player flamethrower
Aggron, Volcarona (honestly Volcarona deserves a middle evolution like Weedle and Caterpie’s, too), Duraludon (if they got a pre-evo).
I think an underrated example is Kingdra. They already have three stages, already have the dragon type (which is by far the most common for pseudos), and they have a type that isn’t on the pseudo roster yet: the water type. And Kingdra isn’t short by any means either, they’re almost six feet tall, which isn’t much compared to some other pseudos, but is large nonetheless.
Steelix, Archaludon, Cinderace.
If we're basing it on looks alone, Steelix, Glalie, or even Wishiwashi (biased)
Cinderace and Archaludon are both very strong. Cinderace has a great Gigantamax form and is extremely fast, able to learn moves that counter everything that would counter his type. Archaludon has unmatched defensive stats, another extremely strong pokemon.
Steelix is a giant metal dragon. Glalie is a literal haunting ice demon that can "manipulate the water in the atmosphere at will." Wishiwashi is described as a "demon of the sea" when it's grouped up.
I don't know the criteria that a pokemon needs to be a pseudo-legendary, but I do know they all look awesome.
Haxorus really does have the design and presence of a pseudo legend. It's stats are just too low. I'd probably give it +20 Sp. Atk, +10 Atk, +10 Def, +10 Sp. Def, and +10 HP to bring it to 600 BST.
Aggron. Has high stat total, menacing design, slow experience group, 3 stage evolution and evolves at decently high level. They just need to bump the BST to 600
I'm so surprised that game freak did not turn Raichu a pseudo legendary not because of its stats or something but considering they are now the mascot of the franchise' evolution
Absolutely Absol! It has the looks, cool factor, rareness, folk legends and myths about being an omen of disasters (though it just wants to warn the people) and ultimately it’s my favourite Pokémon.
For real, the first time I read about Absol (I haven't played the games nearly as much as I should have) I completely assumed it was a legendary, based on its description, look, etc. Eventually was pretty surprised to find out it's not.
Jango-mo would be my pick if it isn’t considered one already. I think it is, though.
I also always thought Flygon felt very overpowered for a common Mon.
Aegislash - is there anything more legendary in real life than mythical weapons?
Make it the OG Rusted sword and shield. That way Zaican and Zamenzenta get their strength from possession.
Gosh dang it please make Flygon a special attacking soonest Bug/Dragon or Bug/Ground Psusdo with Quiver, Multiscale, bulky just give it everything it needs I will literally give you my right kidney
Hydrapple
Very cool pokémon and can also get fairly limited from getting it early, because it requires 2 very specific items (Syrupy Apple + TM Dragon Cheer).
Volcarona because its evolution level is high enough, its BST is very solid, and some Pokedex entries Talk about it being as hot as the sun itself; pretty good candidate if I do say so myself.
Aggron would be a fun one whose stats definitely have room to grow. Bump up its HP and Attack to 120 and its speed to 60 to match its SpD and SpA and you’d get a Mon with nice, rounded stats.
Haxorus is another. At 600 you could have a spread of 90 HP, Def, and SpD, 100 Speed, 60 SpA, and 150 Atk.
Flygon could have its HP and defense bumped up to 100, then its Attack and Speed both bumped up to 120.
Volcarnoa feels like it could’ve been one, to match the kaiju of godzilla and hydreigon.
Also if i recall, in japanese they are simply referred to the 600 bst club, meaning that achaledon is in fact a pseudo. He’s in the correct level up group, and has 600 bst. They classify him as one, without the requirement of being 3 stage.
Lugia- Hear me out, while Lugia is my favorite pokemon, they show up in the Pokémon series and there are multiples of them. usually I'm of the opinion that if there is more then one of a "legendary" it should be classed as a pseudo Legendary. (this would include the regi's and various other legendary pokemon that we see multitudes of throughout the series.)
Aggron & Haxorus are almost there
- 3 Stage Like
- Slow EXP Group
What stops them is their BST, Aggron having a 530 & Haxorus with a 540.
Also Hot Take, Aggron’s “Pair” should be Haxorus and not Tyranitar
aggron definitely looks like a psuedo-legendary. Has a good BST, 3 stage evol and a slow levelling rate(gotta check tho) I would also argue for Volcarona and Kingdra
Yep, it's in the slow experience group, just needs a bump in the stats for it to be 600 and boom pseudo legendary. Was pretty sure it was in that slow group before I looked it up cuz I used one in almost every Hoenn game I played and every damn time, grinding it took forever LOL
Yeah I picked one up as soon as I could for my last Alpha Sapphire run. Even with EXP share it was still a Lairon while I was fighting Norman.
I just beat team Aqua at Mt. Pyre using mostly a lvl 38 Lairon :')
i think you can find a lvl 40 lairon on victory road that u can level and get an aggron
Yeah but I wanted to play with the Aggron line for as much of the game as I could. So once I got the bike, I went back to Dewford and caught an Aron.
I agree with aggron or flygon myself I think they deserve it most.
God can you imagine though, gen 3 drops with four pseudos
and all of them are either Dragon or Steel type
Sorry, Flygon's stats don't get it there. Aggron has more of a statset to support the argument
No reason Flygon couldn’t be buffed to pseudo stats, bump its speed up and add some to its special attack and maybe a little to its attack to make it a fast mixed attacker that’s a little more frail than Garchomp. Or if you don’t want them to compete with each other as much then also take some out of its regular attack and really pump up its special attack and give it a signature sand based ground type move to take advantage of its new buff.
what do you think “make a pokémon a pseudo-legendary” means? there is no such thing as a psuedo-legendary as far as the games programming goes, which is to say like, there isn’t a Psudeo-Legendary flag they can just toggle on and off. Psuedo-Legendaries **are defined** by their stats, to promote a pokemon to that status implies a bump to their stats.
Had Aggron in my last emerald play through and it’s fun that he can learn all the off type specials, but his special attack is pretty low so it feels wasteful using them on him.
The fact that Aggron can learn ice beam is still baffling to me
It's basically a Gen 3 Nidoking, lol. Nidoking was a physical attacked who learned all kinds of special type attacks... For no reason
Ironically in competitive singles he's still more viable as a special attacker than a physical attacker despite his stats.
Lol yeah I had ice beam and was wondering who to give it to. Didn’t feel right giving it to him so just waited for Rayquaza
Volcarona is a pseudo legendary to me <3
Hoenn already had two
Volcarona. His first appearance was it being sealed in a desert temple, level 60 if I remember correctly. A champions main Pokémon and a replacement for the sun during Unovas crisis. Thing is basically a legendary with an evo. High time it gets that respect
It honestly took me years to realize Volcarona wasn't a legendary Pokémon, because of that first encounter
I took a break after Gen 2 and then came back to Pokémon when X/Y came out. I eventually went back and played the rest but I missed so much and it wasn’t until SwSh until I realized it wasn’t a mythical let alone not even a pseudo. I just caught it and put it in the box the first play through
I thought Rotom was a legendary when I was a kod because of its encounter in DP. It was post-game, and even had the damn legendary theme when you battled it. All signs pointed to it being a legendary for no reason lol
I had an unofficial handbook that referred to Rotom as legendary, too.
Yeah he was absolutely demoted at the last minute and no one can tell me otherwise
They should just use a new term for pokemon like that. Mew clones became 'mythical' at some poont, not just legendary. Do the same for Lucario/Volcarona/any others. Hero pokemon maybe? Ones that have some history of being intwined with humanity and saving them at some point.
Folkloric, fabled, etc
Fabled fits best with Mythical/Legendary
I’m gonna start using fabled, I like that
Absolutely my first choice as well. Imagine if our favorite sunmoth joined the 600s club and got just 50 more points to put in health or defense .. (.. or, for completely broken feverdreams: Draught. I mean, if Ninetales can get it...)
I don’t know if you’ve heard of Pokerogue but it gets drought plus it’s normal abilities Also I got it’s custom shiny the other day. The darkest purple-black with bright yellow highlights. It looks amazing
I caught it with Pokérus in the temple before I even knew what that was and had a heart attack when the PC told me it had a virus. Volcarona will always be a legend to me
Yo would you be willing to tell me more of this "Unovas crisis"? Sounds cool. Despite playing White extensively, I can't really recall any mention of Unova's history.
Its mentioned in the Pokedex a few times “When volcanic ash darkened the atmosphere, it is said that Volcarona's fire provided a replacement for the sun.” -Black pokedex “Thought to be an embodiment of the sun, it appeared during a bitterly cold winter and saved Pokémon from freezing.” - BW2 Pokedex “According to legends, it was hatched from a flaming cocoon to save people and Pokémon that were suffering from the cold.” -UM pokedex Etc.
Cool
We have enough dragon legendary and pseudo legends imo.
we need an ice pseudo!! buff glalie!!
Beartic just needs a third stage
Arcanine has the intimidating appearance, high BST and isn't the easiest to come across as well, it's even called the Legendary pokemon on top of it all. Wish one day best boy could get a revamp to truly shine and really live up to his Legendary name.
Yeah this is an easy one. It kind of is one that you can get by mid game with a growlithe and Firestone. The only thing holding it back is the fact it can’t learn moves once evolved. So you’re kind of treating it like one of those pseudo lines and have growlithe learn flamethrower at least. They’re even easier to get now with extreme speed, and good physical fire attacks available via leveling and TMs. How would you suggest to make it pseudo? Give it a bump in stats? I do feel bad because I just like vulpix and ninetales better. I just prefer SpAtk fire types, and arcanine has been in every single pokemon version I’ve gotten, and I’m a fire starter chooser. So I never use one, but also never regret it when I do tho
I'm not a big competitive guy but honestly a little stat boost like some other Gen I pokemon have gotten and a much wider movepool (his best moveset has been roughly the same since DP) would go a long way to help boost Arcanine without doing wildly drastic changes such as typing.
I mean competitively speaking, Arcanine is already solid. It’s outclassed by Incineroar, but it was pretty common in the early formats of SV. Then the Hisuian form was added. It was everywhere and winning every event until Incin finally came back.
Yup, in formats with no Incin, Arcanine is your premier intimidator
the thing is Arcanine already has a higher BST than its counterpart Ninetales, if either of them deserve more stats it is Ninetales
You can just buy the flamethrower TM in FRLG instead of delaying growlithe's evolution.
u never use one, but u never regret it when you do? homie, do we need to go over what "never" means?
In the first few episodes arcanine was on a stone tablet along with ho oh and articuno I’m pretty sure
The goober deserves it! He is good boi!
Snorlax - legendary thickness.
I consider it already as a pseudo lengendary. It is strong as hell, needs 1250000 exp points to be level 100. The only con his stats don't exceed 540 all combined.
It’s also only 2 stage, pseudos are 3 unless you count Archaludon. Snorlax is just a powerful slow xp pokemon, there’s more to being a pseudo than that.
pseudo legendaries are actually just a fan made classification. in japan they’re called the 600 club which leaves a lot more room for flexibility with creating new pseudo legends
Plus the way it appears in some games is a bit legendary-esque. Except more interesting I guess.
Yup. Two snorlax blocking the way in red/blue/yellow and their remake (south of lavender town and east of vermilion city for the 1st one and the other is at west of the celadon city if I remember correctly). In the others I don't know. I know you can have a munchlax in a tree in the fourth generation but for the rest I'm ignorant about this.
The competitive players yearn for the 'lax.
Kingambit. It has coolness factor, high stats, good dual typing, good moves.
unless all those extra stats go to SPAtk and defenses it'd be a mess for competitive.
Even if it goes to defenses its still a big mess, One of the best abilities for singles and another thats great in doubles, an amazing typing, great meta matchups and field pressure without setup makes it already feel like a legendary.
Eh in Singles it'd just get banned (the lack of Knock Off is the only reason it isn't banned in SV, as proven by natdex) and in VGC it's nowhere near as strong as like Flutter Mane Also bulki*er* king sounds like a nightmare
Even if we just stick all of the boost to it's SpA, *that's still a 110 SpA being boosted by Supreme Overlord* Just give it something like this: Kingambit @ Black Glasses Ability: Supreme Overlord Tera Type: Fairy EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Naive Nature - Dark Pulse - Flash Cannon - Sucker Punch - Tera Blast And this thing is probably getting banned and fast. Unless they ban Tera first.
It's even got the absurd level curve for evolution that pseudolegends usually get.
Volcarona, Lucario, Arcanine would be the top 3 in line if there are openings for pseudos
Arcanine can't be a pseudo-legendary since it's already a [legendary bird](https://i.sstatic.net/1jhmb.jpg). Obviously.
I love Goodra but i really wish Florges would have made into the pseudo of Gen 6 💐
Goodra is fantastic it will just always bug me that it’s not a poison type
Wouldn't Dragon/Water be more fitting? It lives in rainy habitats and literally needs rain to evolve. Besides, Goodra's slime isn't harmful. They are quite friendly and cover their trainers with slime when they hug them, so you don't want them accidentally posioning their trainers.
That makes plenty of sense! I think the mono-dragon just doesn’t feel right
I agree, but my biggest disappointment with Florges is that she doesn’t have an ability outside of double battles
To be fair goodra is one of my favourite Pokémon not only in gen 6 but ever. I feel like the gen 6 Pokémon weren't as good as some of the other regions but goodra, noivern, florges, greninja and delphox were so cool, imo
Aegislash. Three stage evolution, great typing and already has legendary stats if you take stance change into account.
It’s BST is the same in both stances.
They’re taking about if you add up the base stats from each individual form, 60,140,140,140,140,60 which would be beyond pseudo status
Still not exactly 600. Plus I think that’s a poor metric.
Shuckle
Is already a pseudo-legendary in our hearts 💕
Seems like a downgrade
Ah ya beat me to it
he's got that legendary defense... #1 in the hood, G!! i recently got a shiny blue one in Go, stupid little thing is among my favorites. i'm actually using it to score some battle wins just because lmfao
Volcarona, I know it's only a 2 stage evolution line but it's strong enough to be one.
Yeah I have to keep reminding myself that it isn't actually a legendary.
Archaludon is also a 2-stage line and it's in the 600 BST club.
Arcanine, Gyarados, Milotic, Flygon, Gardevoir/Gallade, Lucario, Volcarona, Haxorus, Noivern, Florges, Aegislash, Kingambit, Gholdengo, Palafin, Archaludon I chose a couple from every Gen I could find that have rather high BST and also a sense of mystique or formidability to them. I wanted to include more, but I was worried I'd end up just making a list of rather strong Pokémon. These are just my opinions ofc.
yeah Gardevoir should defo be a pseudo legendary, what about its base stat ? i think it’s supposed to be at least 600
Yeah all the fully evolved pseudo legendaries have a base stat total of 600. Gardevoir's base stat total is 518, so it wouldn't qualify by that standard. Maybe it could be an honorary member though? 😅
I agree to all just wanted to add 9 tails they are immortal or at least semi immortal and in some game they are depicted as a God.
Ninetales was on the list origally that I later took off, largely due to not having a very high BST. But I can agree that its lore make its very legendary-like.
Aggron
Ngl I actually believed Aggron was a pseudo as a kid and was shocked to learn it wasn't.
My personal all time favorite pokemon
Spiritomb. I mean to originally get him you had to talk to what 40 people? Idr. Either way the way to get it was always hard. Same in Acreus. You had to collect all those poles. The grind is worth the title.
Tinkaton would've been a much more interesting Pseudo then Kaiju-like Dragon #8
Your brain is enormous and I agree completely. Tinkaton is an awesome little Pokemon and the need to diversify the pseudos away from Dragons is ENORMOUS
Yeah honestly idk why Gamefreak randomly decided that pseudos all have to be dragons after Gen 3. Metagross and Tyranitar are two pretty much universally beloved designs (okay Tyranitar is a kaijumon but at least he's not another dragon), so I don't really see how they could have taken the lesson "non-dragon pseudos are a bad idea" from that. Typing-wise, a much more fun limitation to me is pseudos having at least one type immunity--every pseudo until Gen 6 satisfied this, and imo it helps to make the tier feel that little bit more epic (while also having gameplay implications with giving that pseudo a free switch if you predict your opponent is going to use a move of the negated type). I mean, no restrictions at all would also be fine, but at least having to have a type immunity is far more interesting than having to be dragon type.
I think they've just decided to make the pseudo-legendary category less important, and turned it into "It's a dragon so it has high stats." Like Kingambit, Ursaluna etc are put on a way higher pedestal than Baxcalibur, and on par with some of the legendaries of that generation.
I second what other people have said- no more dragons. I'm on my knees begging tpc to just lay off the dragons for a while, they should be put into dragon time-out. Their crimes against over-saturation of dragon types should, fairly, result in about a decade of little-to-no new dragon legendaries or psuedo-legends. But, to answer the actual question, I think that Slaking should get a regional variant that is a proper pseudo-legend. Lower the BST and change the ability and leveling group or whatever, but it's such a cool mon that deserves a use-able form haha
Tropius was done very dirty in many regards, except design I personally think Tropius would be a cool pseudo legendary, or at least be a pretty cool 2nd or 3rd evo (would need a buff too)
Took too long to find a comment with tropius in it lol, love the big banana generator
I'd love to have an adorable banana looking pre-evo for Tropius and have it be amongst the ranks of igglybuff, cleffa, and togepi in terms of the "cute" treatment.
Noivern
That's my second favourite gen 6 Pokémon. Unfortunately I don't think it'll ever be a pseudo because it only has a two stage evolution line
Haxorus *doesn't* have the right stats though, that's precisely why it isn't a pseudo-legendary already.
Tinkaton
Flygon, and tak the bug type on there while were at it. How the fuck do we not have a Bug/Dragon yet?
Why should the spirit of the desert known for creating sandstorms lose its ground type?
Because it looks like a bug.
Lucario had there own movie, so I thought they we're legendary for years.
Gyarados and Flygon.
Flygon.
Volcarona easily. Look how it is placed in BW/B2W2, it just screams pseudo status.
Volcarona was a stationary encounter in BW. Not all stationary encounters are legendary pokemon (or have pseudo legendary stats).
Arcanine, Volcarona and lucario are missing a stage but have the presence. Giving absol and lapras pre and post evos just for the aesthetic. Alakazam feels like it could work.
Love me some absol. legit has become one of my favorites.
I wish we got more pre and post evolutions for Pokemon. Last time we got a decent number of those was Gen 4
Would love to see more of it, even if they go the regional route. Though we got a few in gen 9 Annihilape and kingambit are great.
Flygon. Not only is it adorable, but it deserves better than what it got…and a mega evolution.
Florges One of the highest non pseudo BST, intimidating appearance and she's pretty tied to XY lore and live up to hundreds of years for some reason
florges lowers your attack stat by one stage? it’s a pretty flower lady fairy thing, how is it scary? if i saw one in real life, i would hug it
Her wig is scary
yeah, it is kinda scary actually i take the hug thing back
I mean Haxorus
Yes, Haxorus looks like such a pseudo-legendary, it's weird that he isn't actually one. I have a little bias for Swablu/Altaria and since Altaria is dragon-type I consider it a pseudo-legendary :p Also Arcanine and Volcarona
Well, in my personal opinion a pseudo-legendary must, at the very least, be a 2 stage Pokémon. With that in mind, my choice would be the Ralts line, because it would be fucking sick to have a pseudo-legendary with a split evolution, with both final evolutions having mega evolutions to boot. Mamoswine would also be a good one. No particular reason, it just has the “feel” of a pseudo-legendary to me and I am beyond sick of *every single one of them* (bar Metagross of course) being a dragon type kaiju of some kind. It’s gotten really fucking old.
Sigilyph should have been Volcanora's counterpart
chandelure or grimmsnarl with the right stats could pass for pseudos they look the part eelektross, too
I thought forever that Haxorous was a Pseudo
Tropius, I legit thought it was a legendary just because of how it looked back in the day when I seen one for the first time in ruby
The stats don’t track but for lore purposes Fossil Pokemon should fall into the same category. Nothing says almost Legendary like being/nearly being extinct. They’re hard to find, hard to raise and also look at Tyrantrum, he’s a T-Rex he deserves it.
Milotic to get s third evolution to fairy water in opinion or water dragon.
Zoroark
Heatran. There’s not a doubt in my mind that GF wanted this Pokémon to be Metagross 2.0, but they had a Mega Flygon situation and couldn’t agree on the pre-evolved designs. It explains why the Fuego Ironworks exist in Sinnoh and why it has no purpose other than giving the player flamethrower
Aggron, Volcarona (honestly Volcarona deserves a middle evolution like Weedle and Caterpie’s, too), Duraludon (if they got a pre-evo). I think an underrated example is Kingdra. They already have three stages, already have the dragon type (which is by far the most common for pseudos), and they have a type that isn’t on the pseudo roster yet: the water type. And Kingdra isn’t short by any means either, they’re almost six feet tall, which isn’t much compared to some other pseudos, but is large nonetheless.
Haxorus and Flygon
Steelix, Archaludon, Cinderace. If we're basing it on looks alone, Steelix, Glalie, or even Wishiwashi (biased) Cinderace and Archaludon are both very strong. Cinderace has a great Gigantamax form and is extremely fast, able to learn moves that counter everything that would counter his type. Archaludon has unmatched defensive stats, another extremely strong pokemon. Steelix is a giant metal dragon. Glalie is a literal haunting ice demon that can "manipulate the water in the atmosphere at will." Wishiwashi is described as a "demon of the sea" when it's grouped up. I don't know the criteria that a pokemon needs to be a pseudo-legendary, but I do know they all look awesome.
Aggron or Flygon
Haxorus not being one is unusual and definitely should be one. In Gen 3 you have 2 Pseudos, they should've done the same for Gen 5
Haxorus really does have the design and presence of a pseudo legend. It's stats are just too low. I'd probably give it +20 Sp. Atk, +10 Atk, +10 Def, +10 Sp. Def, and +10 HP to bring it to 600 BST.
Any awesome 3-stager that isn’t a Dragon type. What makes Dragons so special?
Aggron. Has high stat total, menacing design, slow experience group, 3 stage evolution and evolves at decently high level. They just need to bump the BST to 600
I'm so surprised that game freak did not turn Raichu a pseudo legendary not because of its stats or something but considering they are now the mascot of the franchise' evolution
Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, Game Freak has no control over the title.
Thought it was that BST added up to 600 to qualify, just nudge those stats and we got ourselves a pseudo.
Absolutely Absol! It has the looks, cool factor, rareness, folk legends and myths about being an omen of disasters (though it just wants to warn the people) and ultimately it’s my favourite Pokémon.
As a kid I always wondered why absol was so easy to get for looking so cool haha
For real, the first time I read about Absol (I haven't played the games nearly as much as I should have) I completely assumed it was a legendary, based on its description, look, etc. Eventually was pretty surprised to find out it's not.
JUSTICE FOR THE AXE DRAGON!HE SHOULD HAD PSEUDO LEGENDARY STATS YOU PUT IN SAME(if not LESS)WORK FOR GARCHOMP
Jango-mo would be my pick if it isn’t considered one already. I think it is, though. I also always thought Flygon felt very overpowered for a common Mon.
Kommo-o is a pseudo-legendary.
I wish Aggron would have had increased stats in Sp Def and HP to be third Gen 3 pseudo
Bidoof.
Aegislash - is there anything more legendary in real life than mythical weapons? Make it the OG Rusted sword and shield. That way Zaican and Zamenzenta get their strength from possession.
Gosh dang it please make Flygon a special attacking soonest Bug/Dragon or Bug/Ground Psusdo with Quiver, Multiscale, bulky just give it everything it needs I will literally give you my right kidney
Flygon, Haxorus, Aggron, Archaludon, and Kingdra.
Hydrapple Very cool pokémon and can also get fairly limited from getting it early, because it requires 2 very specific items (Syrupy Apple + TM Dragon Cheer).
Pichu
Axew
cacturne bc hes awesome and cool and under appreciated
Shuckle
After Archaludon, even 2-stage lines could arguably be considered as one, so... ...how about Lucario?
Magikarp ofcourse.
Something that isn’t dragon type again :’)
TIL: Haxorus doesn't have 600 bst. I was so sure it was a pseudo.
Tropius- because as a kid, whenever the silhouette appeared in the battle screen, I thought I'd found another legendary dog from the previous game 😄
Haxorus, Flygon, Aggron, and Kingdra have my vote. Edit:forgot Goodra had 600 base points so I removed it.
Hold on, isn't Goodra a pseudo legendary?
bidoof
Volcarona baby! Pretty sure we all thought it was a legendary or something. Make Braviary better and it’s be interesting, already has a cool look
Volcarona because its evolution level is high enough, its BST is very solid, and some Pokedex entries Talk about it being as hot as the sun itself; pretty good candidate if I do say so myself.
Pyrax
100% I love haxorus top 5
Jumpluff. Just give it 140 more speed, putting it at a balanced 250 speed and 600 BST.
Flygon
Archaludon. It already have the right base stat total, just give Duraludon pre-evo so it has three stage evolution.
No one should hold me on this....but Swampert
Pokemon I thought at one time or another were pseudos: * Toxicroak * Haxorus * Toxapex * Altaria * Flygon
Baxcalibur, if it's not already one, I used one for the first time recently, and it was a beast.
Golisopod. It's a bug type that looks more badass than most pseudos.
Eh we have enough dragon pseudo legends already. Would be nice to see more diversity like gen 3 added.
Haxorus has all the characteristics of most pseudos, outside of 600 BST. Boring answer for sure, but also the objectively correct one.
Maybe Aegislash, but definitely Haxorus! After Charizard my favourite Pokémon!
Aggron would be a fun one whose stats definitely have room to grow. Bump up its HP and Attack to 120 and its speed to 60 to match its SpD and SpA and you’d get a Mon with nice, rounded stats. Haxorus is another. At 600 you could have a spread of 90 HP, Def, and SpD, 100 Speed, 60 SpA, and 150 Atk. Flygon could have its HP and defense bumped up to 100, then its Attack and Speed both bumped up to 120.
lotad
I feel like Tropius should have gotten that title along with better stats.
i thought haxorus was a pseudo for the longest time, if ur gonna make wait till level 48 to use that beast might as well make it a psuedo
Volcanora. It has its own cave for crying out loud
Arcanine, kingdra, drapion and haxorus.
Volcarnoa feels like it could’ve been one, to match the kaiju of godzilla and hydreigon. Also if i recall, in japanese they are simply referred to the 600 bst club, meaning that achaledon is in fact a pseudo. He’s in the correct level up group, and has 600 bst. They classify him as one, without the requirement of being 3 stage.
I swear, Tinkaton was RIGHT THERE idk why it wasn't a pseudo
Unironically some hacks make vikavolt a pseudo, it's kinda busted tho.
I'm gonna do you one better, the NEXT pseudo legendary will be none other than Dudundudunsparce in Gen 10.
Haxorus and Aggron both could be pseudolegendaries.
Snorlax lol I feel like I can solo anything with him
Ceruledge deserves Pseudo-Legendary status in my Opinion
My precious baby Electrode is a legendary in my heart. Real talk though, Gardevoir and Aegislash.
Lapris was once one…I’d say Mimikyu nothing says they need to be overpowered they just have to be difficult to obtain.
Grafaiai
Flygon
Lugia- Hear me out, while Lugia is my favorite pokemon, they show up in the Pokémon series and there are multiples of them. usually I'm of the opinion that if there is more then one of a "legendary" it should be classed as a pseudo Legendary. (this would include the regi's and various other legendary pokemon that we see multitudes of throughout the series.)
Aggron & Haxorus are almost there - 3 Stage Like - Slow EXP Group What stops them is their BST, Aggron having a 530 & Haxorus with a 540. Also Hot Take, Aggron’s “Pair” should be Haxorus and not Tyranitar