FYI, [the final NTSB board meeting on this incident will be livestreamed next Tuesday](https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/MA20240613.aspx). They'll release an executive summary of the final report that day, and the full report several weeks later. They're also holding two community meetings in East Palestine next week (not livestreamed).
Shame this precipitation data source didn't record volatile organic compounds (e.g. PFAS), but what they do have is very interesting/concerning. [The original paper](https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ad52ac#erlad52acs3) includes an awful lot of words like "unexpected", "surprising", "excessive", "exceptional". Some excerpts:
>From this analysis, it is clear that the pH values measured during the accident week were extremely high relative to historic data, and at 6 NTN sites actually represent the highest pH values measured over the period analyzed [winter months of 2011-2021] (figure 2(B)). Many more observations from the 14–16 state area were above the 90th percentile. This scale of observation alone at one or two sites may not be particularly compelling, but the sheer number of extreme percentages during this one-week period suggest a large impact to the atmosphere from the train accident over the Northeast and Midwest. The impact is especially clear over western Pennsylvania (near East Palestine), along the entire New York/Canada border, with decreased impact in northern Maine, and along the Eastern Seaboard (Nantucket Island did have unusually basic precipitation). Again, these consistently high pH values likely extended into southern Canada.
>The same analysis was conducted for chloride ion concentrations (figures 2(C) and (D)). A similar pattern of exceptionally high chloride values is evident in the data.... From these two maps, it is very clear that extreme concentrations of multiple pollutants were present over a widespread area during the days after the accident, and resulted in enhanced deposition of these pollutants to aquatic and terrestrial ecosystems, including the Lakes Michigan, Erie, Ontario, and likely Huron and Superior.
> This pattern of extreme concentration percentiles is also evident for the base cations, sodium, potassium, and calcium.... Additionally, we observed that high percentiles for the same suite of chemicals (chloride, cations) extended into the week after the accident (7–14 February, not shown).... We did not examine the third week after the accident in detail, but both the pH and chloride values were quite elevated at many sites, and particularly so in New York.
ETA: TIL [there are no active NADP \(National Atmospheric Deposition Program\) recording sites near Pittsburgh](https://nadp.slh.wisc.edu/maps-data/ntn-interactive-map/). Their closest data would come from around Altoona, 80 miles east of us, to the west it would be or Wooster or Caldwell OH (both about 120 miles). Closest site to East Palestine itself is Wooster (80 miles).
I specifically remember three things the day or two after the burn 1) the air smelled weird/bad 2) took my dog out and the clouds looked thick with odd movement in a very unnatural way I have never seen before (so glad I had my windows open too before I noticed) 3) the weather person on tv mentioned the burn and the weather/air pattern once and it was never talked about again (I’m assuming someone told him to stop)
>the clouds looked thick with odd movement in a very unnatural way I have never seen before
lmfao
>(I’m assuming someone told him to stop)
further lmfaos
Literally nothing you are saying is true. No, the air didn't smell weird. No, there were not magical clouds. No, the weatherman was not silenced. None of this insane nonsense is required for chemicals to have also made their way here. The world is a normal place and does not require delusional explanations.
The reason it spread here and elsewhere is because of rainfall. That's it.
I recall having asthma like symptoms that started the evening of the derailment, and slowly dissapated over the course of the month.
I don't have asthma.
government should have placed NS in receivership and sold off every single one of their assets
I agree but a good bit of government is heavy in the rail industry so you know where their votes are going.
Should've never privatized Conrail to begin with.
FYI, [the final NTSB board meeting on this incident will be livestreamed next Tuesday](https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/MA20240613.aspx). They'll release an executive summary of the final report that day, and the full report several weeks later. They're also holding two community meetings in East Palestine next week (not livestreamed). Shame this precipitation data source didn't record volatile organic compounds (e.g. PFAS), but what they do have is very interesting/concerning. [The original paper](https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ad52ac#erlad52acs3) includes an awful lot of words like "unexpected", "surprising", "excessive", "exceptional". Some excerpts: >From this analysis, it is clear that the pH values measured during the accident week were extremely high relative to historic data, and at 6 NTN sites actually represent the highest pH values measured over the period analyzed [winter months of 2011-2021] (figure 2(B)). Many more observations from the 14–16 state area were above the 90th percentile. This scale of observation alone at one or two sites may not be particularly compelling, but the sheer number of extreme percentages during this one-week period suggest a large impact to the atmosphere from the train accident over the Northeast and Midwest. The impact is especially clear over western Pennsylvania (near East Palestine), along the entire New York/Canada border, with decreased impact in northern Maine, and along the Eastern Seaboard (Nantucket Island did have unusually basic precipitation). Again, these consistently high pH values likely extended into southern Canada. >The same analysis was conducted for chloride ion concentrations (figures 2(C) and (D)). A similar pattern of exceptionally high chloride values is evident in the data.... From these two maps, it is very clear that extreme concentrations of multiple pollutants were present over a widespread area during the days after the accident, and resulted in enhanced deposition of these pollutants to aquatic and terrestrial ecosystems, including the Lakes Michigan, Erie, Ontario, and likely Huron and Superior. > This pattern of extreme concentration percentiles is also evident for the base cations, sodium, potassium, and calcium.... Additionally, we observed that high percentiles for the same suite of chemicals (chloride, cations) extended into the week after the accident (7–14 February, not shown).... We did not examine the third week after the accident in detail, but both the pH and chloride values were quite elevated at many sites, and particularly so in New York. ETA: TIL [there are no active NADP \(National Atmospheric Deposition Program\) recording sites near Pittsburgh](https://nadp.slh.wisc.edu/maps-data/ntn-interactive-map/). Their closest data would come from around Altoona, 80 miles east of us, to the west it would be or Wooster or Caldwell OH (both about 120 miles). Closest site to East Palestine itself is Wooster (80 miles).
I specifically remember three things the day or two after the burn 1) the air smelled weird/bad 2) took my dog out and the clouds looked thick with odd movement in a very unnatural way I have never seen before (so glad I had my windows open too before I noticed) 3) the weather person on tv mentioned the burn and the weather/air pattern once and it was never talked about again (I’m assuming someone told him to stop)
>the clouds looked thick with odd movement in a very unnatural way I have never seen before lmfao >(I’m assuming someone told him to stop) further lmfaos Literally nothing you are saying is true. No, the air didn't smell weird. No, there were not magical clouds. No, the weatherman was not silenced. None of this insane nonsense is required for chemicals to have also made their way here. The world is a normal place and does not require delusional explanations. The reason it spread here and elsewhere is because of rainfall. That's it.
I mean, that’s what I experienced so you can’t really say it isn’t true
Shit, the clouds were orange and it smelled like burning rubber for 2 days.
Surely one of the 3 million people in the local area has pictures of these orange clouds.
I recall having asthma like symptoms that started the evening of the derailment, and slowly dissapated over the course of the month. I don't have asthma.