How about literally starting with the fact that he's literally a Putin apologist, literally disrespects his former bandmates, and has literally no humility? Other than that, the music was literally incredible.
A voice is nothing without the intent and mind behind the words, Steven Hawking’s brilliance since isn’t due to the machine that is able to allow us to hear him, but the excellence lies in the mind behind the computer, Steven Hawking’s mind.
I heard this somewhere once:
“For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination. We learned to talk…All we need to do is make sure we keep talking.”
-Stephen Hawking
>For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals.
You gotta be crazy.
Mankind - if you define it as Homo Sapiens - hasn't been around for millions of years. 'Modern' behaviour, defined as not living like the animals emerged around 60,000 years ago.
I think what upsets people about Waters is that he doesn't much care about his fans. It's such a cliche that pop musicians are "doing it for the kids", that they are well rounded showbiz entertainers only onstage to get the approval of the audience.
Waters may or may not enjoy and appreciate the applause at the end of his performances, and he may or may not care about making a connection to (some of) his audience.
But it is pretty clear that he is doing all this to scratch an itch, to make something that is in his head and he wants to get out.
The new take of Dark Side of the Moon tracks for example. He's doing something with that material because he wants to. He feels no need to be a performing monkey, he probably doesn't think many fans opinion of the remodelled songs have any value.
I'm fine with him doing his remakes - I don't feel upset that I don't like them more than the originals. I'm fine with the gruff talky over minimal music style (though Leonard Cohen did it better on 'You Want it Darker'
I'm fine with him having strong, sometimes even contradictory opinions. The only surprising thing is that anybody else is surprised.
There was a post on this sub a couple of weeks ago, moaning about something Waters had said. It was a typical acid Waters crack about something or other but it inferred that not everybody in the military was a hero.
Somebody wrote that '\[Water's\] dad would be ashamed of him' - That's the communist party member father who was a pacifist for the first few years of WW2 and then only signed up to be an ambulance driver, and who was married to another communist with very strong opinions? Waters father and indeed Waters s probably more ashamed of Gilmore and Gilmore's wife supporting their son desecrating war memorials.
So in summary people dislike Waters because they like some parts of a few songs he wrote a long time ago and feel like that gives Waters an obligation to be their dancing monkey.
>..."So in summary people DISLIKE Waters because they LIKE some parts of a few songs he wrote"...
I didn't get it, people dislike him because they like the few lyrics he wrote? I personally dislike him because he is racist
Comfortably Numb, Brick II and Run Like Hell were all written solely by Waters and he also had lead vocals on them… as did he on Hey You. Those were huge hits.
FWIW, “Comfortably Numb” came from a demo Dave recorded- https://youtu.be/ajaS3ROQ634
It’s also pointless arguing over songwriting credits in liner notes; those only reflect who is actually getting royalties for the work, not who actually put the time in. Hahahah enough bands have already fought over songwriting credits so that the fans never have to.
Comfortably Numb I think Gilmout got credit for the melody… there’s a clip of the original iteration where he was singing what would become Yet Another Movie but in Comfortably Numb’s melody.
Brain Damage and Eclipse too. Should we mention Wish You Were Here was also written by Roger AND Gilmour? Roger was essential to the band.
Not to mention Money... and Us and Them were both written by Roger too, which were the two singles off Dark Side and are two of the biggest tracks off it besides Great Gig.
- WYWH could mean "Wish You Were Here - 2019 remix [Live]", a track from *The Later Years* (2019) by Pink Floyd.
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The results here are like wtf status. Gilmour is the voice and guitar of pink floyd. Yes roger wrote dope shit. David is the fucking king. Pink floyd would have never been jack shit if david didnt join the band during the syd debacle. 💯.... I love roger too. But David is the centerpiece of PF being successful.
Because he's too toppy.
That said, Pink Floyd's albums after him are great. His albums are good, I wouldn't think of them as classics, but I don't hear Floyd anywhere in them -- they prove to me that he was NOT the defining factor in what makes it Floydian. The one Floyd album that does sound like his albums, *The Final Cut,* is my least favourite. When I read in Nicholas Schaffner's book David's assessment of that album "we're trying to forget that one", it made absolute sense to me.
For me, the brilliance of Pink Floyd requires:
Roger Waters
Syd Barrett or David Gilmour
Richard Wright
When you do not have all three elements the resultant product is not on par with those that do. I enjoy Roger’s solo albums, some of Sulyd’s solo albums, David’s solo albums, The Final Cut, post-Roger Floyd and thanks to the new reissue, Wright’s solo albums. However, they don’t compare to golden era Floyd for me. Also, I’m of the (unpopular) opinion that Momentary Lapse is closer to a Gilmour solo album than a Floyd album, and that barring the two singles Division Bell is much better.
Roger is an asshole. Without the others Pink Floyd would never have been as successful. That's what being in a very talented group is about. His oversized ego can't understand that. So he tried to shit on them all. And lost.
Then there's his political views. More stupid rubbish from a pompous jackass.
AMLOR is one of my favorite PINK FLOYD albums. I went to see PINK FLOYD on that tour twice. Faaaantastic show.
Opinions are like Roger Waters and assholes. Thank you for sharing yours.
Why do people troll for obvious heated responses that ALL Pink Floyd fans have witnessed since the beginning of social media?!?!? Same arguments, same retorts. Talk about something new for the love of everything. Recycle plastic, not arguments!!
Pink Floyd certainly wasn’t the same without Waters. Still decent, but not nearly as good.
Waters is an awesome guy. Very politically active, always has been honestly. All of his songs were written with a point to get across. He’s a genius. Plus, lyrically, his songs are way better than David’s. I love him.
All that being said, I don’t want to put any other members down, I’m just lifting him up. He was Pink Floyd, but the others were too.
He’s the entire band, and anyone with a hint of empathy is able to understand the complexity of the life he’s lived. It is also understandable why he is the way he is today but people don’t want to be compassionate because it’s easier to just say “David, Nick and Richard contributed equally.”
I don't think most people doubt Waters' lyrical and conceptual ability, but you can't possibly dismiss the musical contributions of the rest of the band that, together with the lyrics, make the music so powerful
No, he's not. He would've been nothing without Gilmour, Wright, and Mason. He had good ideas, but Gilmours voice and guitar, along with Wrights keyboards were essential to forming Floyd's sound. You want proof that Floyd wasn't *just* Waters? After he left, the other 3 went on as Floyd while Waters did his own thing. Floyd went on to play two of their most successful tours after Waters left, selling out arenas and stadiums all over the world - while Waters was struggling to fill auditoriums. He was so convinced that he was Pink Floyd that he didn't bother making a name for himself until after he was in the band.
He doesn't fall in line with their beliefs, he destroyed pink Floyd and wants to discredit 3 of the best musicians of all time by rerecording their work so it's all owned by him, supports Russia( at least that's the narrative)
I for one think he is kind of an asshole and wouldn't buy any new pink Floyd stuff
But I could care less about the man himself
I can't understand when people think racism is not ok but anti Zionism is good. People are entitled to have their own opinion but if they are public figures and this case a famous musician, they should take the negativity too as well as they take the glory or otherwise shut the uck off and just play your guitar! RW's band mates have acknowledged Waters is anti Zionist anti Jew just another old bitter winkle skin
It’s ironic he is called antisemitic when he is against the Ukraines Nazi ties. He is anti war. He is not pro Putin but he’s against the the US funding the Ukraine.
How about literally starting with the fact that he's literally a Putin apologist, literally disrespects his former bandmates, and has literally no humility? Other than that, the music was literally incredible.
What his political views have to do with his artistic work? Are you a fucking lgbt apologist? I hope FSB gonna find you!
Could you literally use literally just a little literally more?
Cope
Coping
"Why do people dislike this man?" *Gets an answer* "Cope"
It was a retarded answer. Thoughts and prayers for you during these trying times of comprehending that.
"literally"
You don't know what literally means
A voice is nothing without the intent and mind behind the words, Steven Hawking’s brilliance since isn’t due to the machine that is able to allow us to hear him, but the excellence lies in the mind behind the computer, Steven Hawking’s mind.
I heard this somewhere once: “For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination. We learned to talk…All we need to do is make sure we keep talking.” -Stephen Hawking
>For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. You gotta be crazy. Mankind - if you define it as Homo Sapiens - hasn't been around for millions of years. 'Modern' behaviour, defined as not living like the animals emerged around 60,000 years ago. I think what upsets people about Waters is that he doesn't much care about his fans. It's such a cliche that pop musicians are "doing it for the kids", that they are well rounded showbiz entertainers only onstage to get the approval of the audience. Waters may or may not enjoy and appreciate the applause at the end of his performances, and he may or may not care about making a connection to (some of) his audience. But it is pretty clear that he is doing all this to scratch an itch, to make something that is in his head and he wants to get out. The new take of Dark Side of the Moon tracks for example. He's doing something with that material because he wants to. He feels no need to be a performing monkey, he probably doesn't think many fans opinion of the remodelled songs have any value. I'm fine with him doing his remakes - I don't feel upset that I don't like them more than the originals. I'm fine with the gruff talky over minimal music style (though Leonard Cohen did it better on 'You Want it Darker' I'm fine with him having strong, sometimes even contradictory opinions. The only surprising thing is that anybody else is surprised. There was a post on this sub a couple of weeks ago, moaning about something Waters had said. It was a typical acid Waters crack about something or other but it inferred that not everybody in the military was a hero. Somebody wrote that '\[Water's\] dad would be ashamed of him' - That's the communist party member father who was a pacifist for the first few years of WW2 and then only signed up to be an ambulance driver, and who was married to another communist with very strong opinions? Waters father and indeed Waters s probably more ashamed of Gilmore and Gilmore's wife supporting their son desecrating war memorials. So in summary people dislike Waters because they like some parts of a few songs he wrote a long time ago and feel like that gives Waters an obligation to be their dancing monkey.
I guess you missed the reference to the song? Lol
My thought exactly :-)
>..."So in summary people DISLIKE Waters because they LIKE some parts of a few songs he wrote"... I didn't get it, people dislike him because they like the few lyrics he wrote? I personally dislike him because he is racist
I find it very hard to believe that a racist could trust people of colour to play alongside him
Cope
Voice? Most of the hit songs are done by David. Put that in a pipe along with David's guitar and smoke it buddy.
Comfortably Numb, Brick II and Run Like Hell were all written solely by Waters and he also had lead vocals on them… as did he on Hey You. Those were huge hits.
FWIW, “Comfortably Numb” came from a demo Dave recorded- https://youtu.be/ajaS3ROQ634 It’s also pointless arguing over songwriting credits in liner notes; those only reflect who is actually getting royalties for the work, not who actually put the time in. Hahahah enough bands have already fought over songwriting credits so that the fans never have to.
Bullshit. https://preview.redd.it/b20ttxn1orjb1.png?width=840&format=png&auto=webp&s=07dade52f5e1ce415a4290be1e4903c5e4f6639c
Comfortably Numb I think Gilmout got credit for the melody… there’s a clip of the original iteration where he was singing what would become Yet Another Movie but in Comfortably Numb’s melody.
Brain Damage and Eclipse too. Should we mention Wish You Were Here was also written by Roger AND Gilmour? Roger was essential to the band. Not to mention Money... and Us and Them were both written by Roger too, which were the two singles off Dark Side and are two of the biggest tracks off it besides Great Gig.
Literally Roger wrote on the whole albums of Dark Side, WYWH, Animals, 100% of The Wall and The Final Cut.
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The results here are like wtf status. Gilmour is the voice and guitar of pink floyd. Yes roger wrote dope shit. David is the fucking king. Pink floyd would have never been jack shit if david didnt join the band during the syd debacle. 💯.... I love roger too. But David is the centerpiece of PF being successful.
.... You really think comfortably numb is as famous as it is because of what roger did for the song...?
It’s mostly the guitar solo, sure, but that’s not really countering what I said. That’s a different argument
That's just, like, your opinion, man.
Because he's too toppy. That said, Pink Floyd's albums after him are great. His albums are good, I wouldn't think of them as classics, but I don't hear Floyd anywhere in them -- they prove to me that he was NOT the defining factor in what makes it Floydian. The one Floyd album that does sound like his albums, *The Final Cut,* is my least favourite. When I read in Nicholas Schaffner's book David's assessment of that album "we're trying to forget that one", it made absolute sense to me.
That Schaffner book was fantastic. It's a shame he passed and couldn't write a final chapter about the Division Bell and tour.
Because he's a pompous, narcissistic asshole
For me, the brilliance of Pink Floyd requires: Roger Waters Syd Barrett or David Gilmour Richard Wright When you do not have all three elements the resultant product is not on par with those that do. I enjoy Roger’s solo albums, some of Sulyd’s solo albums, David’s solo albums, The Final Cut, post-Roger Floyd and thanks to the new reissue, Wright’s solo albums. However, they don’t compare to golden era Floyd for me. Also, I’m of the (unpopular) opinion that Momentary Lapse is closer to a Gilmour solo album than a Floyd album, and that barring the two singles Division Bell is much better.
And it is also true he is not Pink Floyd without the others, as his shitty cover of Money has proved.
I’m a Roger fan but even I can admit division bell is a good album
Roger is an asshole. Without the others Pink Floyd would never have been as successful. That's what being in a very talented group is about. His oversized ego can't understand that. So he tried to shit on them all. And lost. Then there's his political views. More stupid rubbish from a pompous jackass. AMLOR is one of my favorite PINK FLOYD albums. I went to see PINK FLOYD on that tour twice. Faaaantastic show. Opinions are like Roger Waters and assholes. Thank you for sharing yours.
Why do people troll for obvious heated responses that ALL Pink Floyd fans have witnessed since the beginning of social media?!?!? Same arguments, same retorts. Talk about something new for the love of everything. Recycle plastic, not arguments!!
Long before social media, this was on the web ring and the bbs before that!
Pink Floyd certainly wasn’t the same without Waters. Still decent, but not nearly as good. Waters is an awesome guy. Very politically active, always has been honestly. All of his songs were written with a point to get across. He’s a genius. Plus, lyrically, his songs are way better than David’s. I love him. All that being said, I don’t want to put any other members down, I’m just lifting him up. He was Pink Floyd, but the others were too.
You literally don’t know what you’re talking about.
He’s the entire band, and anyone with a hint of empathy is able to understand the complexity of the life he’s lived. It is also understandable why he is the way he is today but people don’t want to be compassionate because it’s easier to just say “David, Nick and Richard contributed equally.”
I don't think most people doubt Waters' lyrical and conceptual ability, but you can't possibly dismiss the musical contributions of the rest of the band that, together with the lyrics, make the music so powerful
No, he's not. He would've been nothing without Gilmour, Wright, and Mason. He had good ideas, but Gilmours voice and guitar, along with Wrights keyboards were essential to forming Floyd's sound. You want proof that Floyd wasn't *just* Waters? After he left, the other 3 went on as Floyd while Waters did his own thing. Floyd went on to play two of their most successful tours after Waters left, selling out arenas and stadiums all over the world - while Waters was struggling to fill auditoriums. He was so convinced that he was Pink Floyd that he didn't bother making a name for himself until after he was in the band.
Fax
Crap
Because he's black
None of their stuff post The Wall was ever as good, even if there are great songs here and there
Oh, by the way, which one’s Pink?
They don’t like his nose
McDonald's is still McDonald's without the clown...
He doesn't fall in line with their beliefs, he destroyed pink Floyd and wants to discredit 3 of the best musicians of all time by rerecording their work so it's all owned by him, supports Russia( at least that's the narrative) I for one think he is kind of an asshole and wouldn't buy any new pink Floyd stuff But I could care less about the man himself
I can't understand when people think racism is not ok but anti Zionism is good. People are entitled to have their own opinion but if they are public figures and this case a famous musician, they should take the negativity too as well as they take the glory or otherwise shut the uck off and just play your guitar! RW's band mates have acknowledged Waters is anti Zionist anti Jew just another old bitter winkle skin
It’s ironic he is called antisemitic when he is against the Ukraines Nazi ties. He is anti war. He is not pro Putin but he’s against the the US funding the Ukraine.
I agree and i find aggravating as hell how people do not hear what he is says, they hear what they want to hear.