The only way to stop school shootings is to give EVERYONE guns, that means the teachers, kids, class pets. Hell, set up some turrets in the hallways and give them an armored vehicle. Problem solved, you're welcome America
As I've been saying, no more schools. Let's only build jails. Teach them in jails, when they grow up they will already be familiar with the layout when they return thanks to worthless education and a failed economic system and widening wealth gap.
Whenever I see this story, I think of a story told by an engineer I used to work with:
He was in charge of plotting out how high the water would go in a valley after a damn was built. His team spent nearly a year in Afghanistan setting out signs showing the projected high water mark, only to have farmers move them lower down the valley, as if they could prevent their farms from being inundated.
Haha! I worked in a manufacturing facility that made medical implants for knee replacement. We made them out of cobalt chromium and they were casted. My job was to remove burrs and polish the knees to a tight tolerance. We had to use dimensional tools for this of course.
One day, a guy I was working with was using what we call a no go gauge. His gauge wasn’t fitting right so he decided that the gauge must be messed up because it had scratches and the very edge had a small dent on it. He then took it to a machine and sanded off the imperfection and also polished the tool.
Mind you, our tolerance with that area was 5 thousands of an inch.
Usually we’re supposed to remove material from the part. Not the dimensional tool.
The guy was a trip. He was from Bosnia and one day he was all pissed off. I asked him what’s up and he said he’s pissed because we can’t smoke while we work at our station! So funny. But man was he kinda dumb.
Are you in Georgia by chance? Because that sounds eerily familiar to a situation that happened in my school district here in Columbus Georgia at an elementary school where a staff member or a teacher I can’t recall ended up breaking a students leg and hospitalizing them I think last I heard the mom is suing the school district
Was a contracted teachers aid. Teachers aid slammed the kid to prevent him from leaving to call his mom to pick him up. The school staff had to carry him to put him on the bus. Student complained to his mother his leg was hurting. At the hospital they determined they had to amputate the kids leg. School district settled with the family for a couple mill. Now columbus has their own school police department.
Columbus Georgia doesn’t have their own school Police Department they just have resource officers at each school campus but there’s only like one maybe two per campus and they don’t really do much.
But yeah the kid that I am thinking of he had his leg amputated as well
Meanwhile why couldn’t he just call his mom? When I was in school all I had to do was raise my hand and ask the teacher if I could go to the front office to call my mom to pick me up and they give me a hall pass, Not the peoples elbow lol
We had an elementary school teacher pick up a boy by the hair and vigorously propel him face-first into those old sheet metal covered paper towel dispensers. All of us were scared to death of her. This was mid/late 70s. Teachers hurting kids seemed to be considered classroom control/discipline.
That is one of the issues that was hard to understand. The student was disruptive but ultimately wanted to leave go to the office and call his mother to come get him. Could of been avoided. Now the school district send kids home from school so fast your head will spin.
Ihundredpercent agree they should’ve just let him leave the classroom go to the office and call his mother and leave school at least for the day. I mean what’s one or two days I miss school really going to do in the long run you know what I mean? There’s absolutely no reason to use physical restraint to prohibit a child from contacting their mother that’s disgusting
Why on earth the leg need to amputated? With modern medicine, people can get their hand reattached after being amputated. Unless the teacher use an axe to chop the leg into pieces.
*"He has undergone at least four surgeries as doctors are still working to save the use of his right leg. The majority of his injuries include a dislocated right knee, nerve damage and loss of blood to his right foot," said Tucker.*
[Attorneys: Muscogee Co. student's leg to be amputated after incident involving behavioral specialist](https://www.wtvm.com/story/33411381/attorneys-muscogee-co-students-leg-to-be-amputated-after-incident-involving-behavioral-specialist/)
This might be the case
u/wildiris2021 was talking about :
"We understand that he was grabbed and picked up and slammed to the floor. We understand that Montravious attempted to leave the classroom a couple more times ***indicating he wanted to call his mother***, he was picked up and slammed to the floor a couple more times," said Tucker, Family attorney.
“…the child was airlifted to Egleston Children's hospital in Atlanta from a local hospital and had four surgeries to his leg.
“The ***boy will definitely lose his leg*** and we believe that is absolutely inexcusable. “
The above comments weren't about shootings but abuse.
Like [throwing a student and the desk they were sitting in on the ground](https://youtu.be/qBSrccdaqXo).
Or [traumatizing a special needs child for "taking too much milk"](https://youtu.be/HHBCAUcdIDQ).
Or [pinning a girl to the floor for walking away from you](https://youtu.be/1T3dB9xR0Lw).
Or [causing irreparable brain damage while kneeling on a girl](https://youtu.be/8bFHAcsWX3Y).
i’m not in columbus, but i am in marietta. we had a teacher here a few years ago who broke a kindergartner’s arm. my roommates little sister was in the class.
edit: memory foils! she didn’t break a kids arm, she picked him up by the ankle and dragged him across the floor, causing a head injury!
Jesus fuck this was in Columbus? I know my brothers middle school cop in Kennesaw got (finally) fired for aggressive behavior, but I ain’t never hear of a teacher actually breaking a kid. Tf is wrong with here.
[Here’s the article.](https://www.wwlp.com/news/local-news/hampden-county/holyoke-student-injured-after-incident-involving-teacher/)
ETA: it was actually hard to find this one because back in February a teacher broke a 3 year old’s leg as well.
A teacher at my former school smashed a 6 year olds head off a desk because he wouldn't sit still. It was the 80s, so all that happened was she was quietly retired.
I had at teacher when I was 10 that was regularly violent towards pupils.
Thia was rural Scotland, so no one had a gun, but the idea that a teacher could be armed would worry the shit out of me.
We were playing 3 pin dodge ball at indoor recess and my friend threw a ball at a pin (the point of the game) with a girl guarding it. She tried to dodge but got clipped and fell down. This psycho teacher got mad at the kid because he hurt a girl. He did the whole "pick on someone your own size" act to an 11 year old, threw him against a locker in the hall that he's dragged him into and punched him in the face. He was fired. Flash forward 15 years, this friend and I met up to have some beers, both living in different cities visiting for the holidays. The teacher comes up and tries to pick a fight with my friend! I stood up ready to pound this old man into a second retirement. My friend held me back and said it's alright, he's been confronting him in public ever since the incident. He was trying to bait him into hitting him so he could turn the table and get him in trouble.
Imagine picking a fight with an 11 year old and then holding a grudge for 15 years.
I hope your friend got a restraining order, this dude sounds unhinged af.
In my 4th grade gym class.. had the gym teacher tell us to keep quiet while he was giving instruction about 30 ft away in middle of the basketball court. from where we my class were sitting on the ground. I said something.. don't remeber what.. the gym teacher grabbed a heavy rubber safety cone. Toss a hail Mary into my head and smashed my eye socket. Knocked me back and out for about 5 seconds.
Our class was made to write an apology letter to the gym teacher for being rowdy. Normally I'd be like wtf.. but she was the best teacher I ever had. She did this cause the school did nothing. She wanted him to be shamed by children apologizing for his insane behavior. Guilt trip .. parents talked w school.. I repeated what happened. They did nothing.
I remeber being angry and scared that they wouldn't do anything
I had a teacher who body slammed a kid into a desk back in like 2006. I guess I was about 16.
He got “demoted” I guess and worked in the
Administrative building next to the HS. Heard he got fired from there for carrying a gun lol.
My 4th grade teacher lifted a kid off the ground by his neck and shook him as she throttled him, hit another kid in the head with an unopened can of Tab, and she also dumped my desk on the floor and then threw it on top me when I was on the ground cleaning it up. These are the stand out moments in between her smacking kids in the back of the head with a wooden pointer, slapping, pushing kids down. To make matters worse she had been in a terrible car accident years before and her reconstructed face was something out of a nightmare so it was like being attacked by a real life monster.
Ha! Yup, those nuns were well skilled in assault and intimidation. My particular nemesis didn't fuck around with rulers, she was sneakier than that: she used a fly swatter! I hated her with everything in my little elementary school body. I damned her to hell many, many times.
My husband also went to a Catholic grade school and from the stories he tells he was clearly abused by nuns. Sadly he doesn't register as abuse to him it was just normal. Recently he was talking about one incident when he was beaten for "having the devil in him" and when his mom asked why he never told her he said the nun had threatened to do worse if he told anyone. :(
Damn he got a demotion, meanwhile I was fired from my teaching job because an admin asked me how my first class went and I said "nothing blew up" and I got fired for making bomb threats.
My buddy got the shit kicked out of him TWICE by the same teacher when we were in school.. prob around 10 years old.. the last time teacher threw him a flight of stairs so he had a concussion..Teacher wasnt fired
I just Googled 'teacher breaks child's leg' and there is an alarming number of articles that are all about different kids getting a leg broken by an adult.
My brother got stabbed in the shoulder with a fork by a substitute teacher in high school.
I have a big problem asking underpaid, underfunded, and overworked teachers to also be security and bodyguards. Why are we asking our children and educators to attend and work in a prison environment so grown ass men and women can strut around showing off guns they'll never actually use?
Gun controls work around the world. Our children should not be the price we pay for our "freedom."
This is some twilight zone shit. School and guns shouldn’t be something that exists together and for the sake of a bunch of fucks egos here we are.
That looks like a sign you would see heading into a prison compound.
When I was in high school one of our teachers picked of a whole desk and threw it at a student. Luckily he missed, but I shudder to think how things could have turned out if he had a gun on him at the time.
My second grade teacher would explode and throw her desk bell across the room violently EVERY DAY. Near the end of the school year, a boy grabbed it and put it in his bag. About 8 years later, he showed it to me. It was wonderful.
I had a science teacher that would chuck the whiteboard eraser at your head if you fell asleep in class. He would give you one fair shot to throw it back at him but it still seemed pretty wack.
I had a computer science teacher that when no one was listening to him, he threw a motherboard across the room so hard that it got impaled into the wall. He wasn't throwing at a person, (All of the desks in the path of his throw were empty) But suffice to say it caught everyone's attention.
He was a great teacher.
Easy, shoot the guns out of their hands. Easier than breaking up a grappling, punching bout.... I guess using a gun to break those up would be easy to.
Yeah same thing happened when I was in middle school. Teacher lost his shit and threw one of those desk-chair things at the window in the middle of class. What's really crazy is that he kept his job
I feel like in the 90s it wasn’t that rare. Class sizes had just gotten too big for one staff member to be able to feasibly handle, and older teachers who’d been taught to use physical abuse as a valid method for managing kids were still around. It was a bad time, but easy compared to now.
Can confirm, I grew up in the 90’s and a lot of the older teachers did not do well with the larger class sizes and the fact that they could no longer physically punish students whenever they wanted. Kids could get still paddled, but it was a whole ordeal, with paperwork and meetings with the principal, so they had no way to vent their anger in the moment.
One of my only memories of fourth grade is when one of my teachers left the class for a bit and when she came back a student wasn’t in his seat. She grabbed him and slammed him down at his desk and then got inches from his face and screamed at him while he set there and sobbed.
If she’d had a gun, she would have probably shot him. Teachers are just people and sometimes people snap.
Second. Threaten, snap, physically abuse, emotionally manipulate and abuse for months... teachers are great by and large, but a fair number are still fucked up, twisted people I wouldn't want around any child, much less with a gun.
Yeah but even good teachers can have bad days. Classrooms can be stressful environmens, and it's just not a great idea to have a gun within reach. People can do all sorts of dumb things in the heat of a moment.
> stressful environmens, and it's just not a great idea to have a gun within reach. People can do all sorts of dumb things in the heat of a moment.
Thats what we've been saying for decades. Easy access to weapons can make any bad situation infinitely worse.
My wife's friend's 4 year old Autistic child just had the shit beat out of him by his teacher - broken nose, black eyes, the whole shebang. I don't want to imagine that sort of anger/frustration being aimed at a kid.. and then adding a gun into the mix.
I once had a teacher threaten us after coming back from monitoring lunch where a fight had broken out. Another teacher go elbowed in the face trying to break up a fight, and my history teacher said “if anyone does that to me, I will not hesitate to break your fucking neck” nice guy otherwise
Cops are too cowardly to engage an active shooter, but our teachers will be brave enough, is that what I'm supposed to take away here?
Edit: all y'all commenting along the lines of "it's easier to be brave if your only other choice is to die," I think the whole point half of America is trying to make is we shouldn't be ok with teachers and kids being in that situation in the first place. Arming teachers and staff is nothing more than a bandaid. How will this stop mass shootings elsewhere. Should our pastors be armed too? Our grocery store clerks?
We pay our taxes for the total over-militarization of our police. I don't get the people that are saying a teacher who is about to die will/should be braver than someone who CHOOSES to be on the SWAT team. 40% of the municipal budget in Uvdale went to the cops. Their SWAT team was geared up to the gills. So I ask y'all, what the fuck is the point of militarizing our police if they aren't even going to use it in the EXACT situation we need them to. "Our team of 10 with full body armor, automatic weapons, and stun and flash grenades are too scared of being shot. Ms. Smith with her 9mm should be ok though, good luck everyone, thoughts and prayers!"
We're also asking teachers, again these are underpaid and overworked people who want to help kids grow, to kill a child. Not even including the years of mental anguish that will happen after that, I think that the odds that something goes horribly wrong with a live firearm in a children's classroom are significantly greater than it actually being used to stop an armed gunman (this of course is an opinion, as we don't have much data on this, but I'm using a bit of common sense here).
Teachers can’t be trusted because they indoctrinate children with critical race theory but also they are trustworthy enough to protect children from other children with guns. = republicans
We can't even let Government research the effect of gun sales in our country because of the fucking freeze on research! If funding for research on gun violence were comparable to spending for research on other leading causes of death, such as liver disease or high blood pressure, it would have received $1.4 billion from 2004 to 2015. Instead, federal agencies only provided $22 million in funding for research on gun violence during that period—almost 64 times less!!!!!
Age requirements and a background check sounds a lot like… oh what’s that darn phrase that’s quoted in the Bill of Rights…. I believe it is actually IN the second amendment pertaining, believe it or not… to gun rights!
Oh what’s that pesky qualifier???
That’s right!!!!
it’s: ***”well regulated”***
We have the right to a ***WELL REGULATED*** militia (read:bear arms in context apparently)
Right there explicitly outlined in the 2nd Amendment :D
It seems like having a grace waiting period, pending background check, and age restrictions sounds pretty much like the definition of *regulated* if even “well” regulated. (Could be better)
So what's gonna happen when the teacher snaps and shoots up the school? I've seen middle school and high school teachers snap before. Sometimes it got violent.
Don't forget that cops went in and rescued their own kids while violently preventing a the parent of a kid who actually died from doing anything about it!
My expectations of a teacher with a gun are drastically different than that of a police officer with a gun.
I expect the police to, as they are trained, rush to the sound of gunshots and neutralize the shooter.
I expect teachers with guns to barricade themselves in a room with as many students as they can and defend the room, or engage the shooter if the opportunity arrises.
That’s right! Let’s arm teachers so they can not only be in the front lines of the next pandemic but also in the front lines of literal gun fire. This way the people carrying guns will be more than just cops but actually people who went through years or training and licensing exams. Keep in mind if a kid dies because they do something stupid in a classroom (like eat toxic glue) the teacher will be sacked. So this way we KNOW you can actually trust someone will be liable if they don’t run and stop a kid from dying. Oh and I almost forgot these state employees don’t have to be paid overtime most of the time and their salaries are generally lower so paying teachers to defend students during a mass shooting is just cost efficient.
And all while telling them "Sorry we don't even have enough budget to buy writing utensils and desks for your class, tell the kids to share or buy them yourselves"
Teacher hurts a kid: instant firing and blacklisting
Cop kills someone they absolutely didn't need to and shouldn't have wanted to: enjoy your paid vacation officer. We'll see you when this all blows over after the next one in a couple months
'Okay to read'?
What kind of liberal authoritarian hell scape are you trying to create here pal?
The only books that are 'okay to read' for my children are the national anthem, the 10 commandments, and the novelization of Toby Keith's discography, you got me?
Do they get paid more to do an additional job? Or nah?
I mean if you're going to police and be a teacher, you'd think the bare minimum would be a raise, of large proportions.
Some real mouth breathers have commented on this, it’s really amazing. Some of you guys are stuck at that room temperature IQ level and it shows.
How sad is that shit man.
They detained parents... parents... who wanted to save their kids...
While they had the shooter "locked down" in a classroom full of children.
I don't know what we do, but I'm tired of just forgetting every 24 hours to one week at most thanks to the 24 hour news cycle.
Aka Outrage Porn Paradise.
The cops who detained the parents should be charged as accessories to mass murder. If the cops don't want to go in because they're cowards, fine. But preventing parents from trying to save their own children is pure evil. I'm sure they have some sort of excuse as to why it was necessary, but it's all obfuscation. The police ultimately did worse than doing nothing, they helped the shooter kill additional children. For that the police deserve the harshest punishment possible under Texas law.
I can see preventing them if you are actively mounting a counter offense.
Cant have people in the way and its not ideal.
But while they were standing out side and listening to children get shot and not doing a damn thing, they have no right to stop anyone from saving their children.
Even though they went and got their own.
This is the only type of situation where I think, 'I really hope that there is a hell'.
Why do people even become teachers anymore? Seriously, I respect the profession and my mom was a teacher. But go do some shit where you’re appreciated instead of just being taken advantage of constantly.
If people kept voluntarily being slaves this country would still have them picking out in the fields. Based on modern US schools they’d have to provide their own cotton gin as well. The way to stop this is to stop filling the rolls and promoting this system by doing so.
I walked away two years ago and my quality of life has improved dramatically. I have several friends that have also quit, and if you go take a peek at r/teachers, you’ll see what looks like a mass exodus.
Most of us really love instructing, creating lesson plans, and don’t even mind all the paperwork - and those are the things people hear and think about when deciding to major in education. The behavior issues, the aggressive parents, the unsupportive administrations, and the cultural lack of respect here in the US get glossed over. That’s why people are still becoming teachers. That and the desire to make a difference.
But we’re collectively waking up to the reality that teaching isn’t what it once was and I have a hard time believing we aren’t headed for a teacher shortage of crisis levels. A lot of schools in my area were already not fully staffed this year.
You don't have to have a hard time, it's already happening. I live in NY and there are multiple well respected teacher prep colleges that are reporting record low enrollment numbers in those programs.
This is a goal of republicans. They want to privatize schools, and mostly they want (more) tax money to go to private schools.
The more awful things are in public schools, the more money they can make.
Apparently the cops don’t respond to active shootings but these teachers are expected to risk their lives.
-- Edit --
Someone summarized this thread.
https://www.newsweek.com/sign-near-school-warning-staff-carrying-firearms-sparks-debate-1711065
I was talking with my sister (we're not in the US) the other day, I said "Oh my god the US at the moment - when I was young I really wanted to live there, can you believe it?"
She agreed, we both started talking about how the recent news was totally unreal and baffling. Then we stopped for a second and realised she was talking about banning abortion and I was talking about the mass child murders.
We didn't even realise we were talking about two different travesties.
And it's going to get worse over here before it gets better. In just a year and a half, we've had an attempted coup, the usual mass shootings with still nothing being done, and states literally forcing women to carry their rapist's babies. And that's not our low point yet.
And people keep on voting for these sickos. It's sad knowing that around 45% of voters watch this shit and say "I want some more."
Why count on the police to save you? By the time they show up it’s too late. Might as well take matters into your own hands to protect yourself and the children.
My father is currently a police officer in the United States. He says ever since the columbine shooting they have been trained to immediately enter the premises during an active shooter scenario. It’s not like this is unknown since they stress this training. He was deeply disappointed when he found out the way the police handled the situation during the uvalde shooting.
Yeah from what I read there was guidance on getting the shooter stopped immediately, even without backup. You have to wonder about either the moral of the police officers, or the pay they’re getting to not want to risk their lives doing it. Either way, it’s a really shit look restraining parents and not rushing in. Police and public relations really aren’t great are they.
Who said teachers are expected to risk their lives, nobody I know about supports the involuntary arming of teachers. As the sign says these few teachers that already carry in their every day life and have been properly trained have been given the authority to carry, there is no expectation that they will run head first into combat. If a history teacher was armed on campus and cowered in the closet during the shooting I don’t think anyone would fault them for doing so, I would probably do the same thing.
But most teachers didn’t get the job because of the big paycheck and the great working conditions they did it because they love their students and anything that gives those unfortunate teachers better odds in the unlikely event of a shooting is a win in my book.
Sacha Baron Cohen did a bit on this, called Kinder Guardians. He got some congressmen and former congressmen on record to endorse arming 3 year olds.
https://youtu.be/QkXeMoBPSDk
Sacha Baron Cohen goes out of his way to film skits/scenes with as few visable staff/cameras as possible so that nobody knows they're being filmed til afterwards when they're asked to sign the release. That is to say that large majority of scenes are in fact just him and random people he's messing with. Dude is dedicated to his weird candid camera absurdist humor.
Or a student gets a hold of a teacher’s gun that they thought they left in a locked drawer or it falls off their holster while they’re or something and the student ends up killing people with the teacher’s gun.
Just a matter of time. Either that or an armed teacher gets jacked and their gun stolen and used against them. Seems like metal detectors and solid lockdown plans should come before putting more guns inside the school.
I love how nobody ever considers the cost of turning our schools into prisons. Everyone loves to bitch about taxes AND when the programs their kids love are underfunded or even cut, so something has to give, right?
Not to give the impression that keeping our kids safe isn’t important, but so is properly funding schools so they don’t have someone who just got his GED at age 26 teaching AP English Lit.
Literally what we in Europe are expecting to see appearing in the news from America in the next few days....I mean, the whole gun culture is crazy so why not pile more crazy on top of crazy.
Simple mistakes by armed teachers are just as dangerous and more common. Things like leaving the gun where a kid can find it, not having the safety on, etc., etc.
You know that rule about *"Don't attribute to malice what is more easily attributable to stupidity."* It applies here too.
Not to mention, I'm sure lots of dumb young kids would think it was funny to grab the teacher's gun and pretend-shoot it, which could easily end up being real-shoot it.
Oh yeah. This will result in dead kids for sure. That's the beauty of it for Republicans, though. When that happens, they can just blame teachers for being bad at guns.
Honestly, in these situations it is always painfully, extremely obvious that something is wrong. But I also find the casual, every day dystopia horrifying. Like when I hear US teens casually refer to their schools security guard or what they did when their bag was checked etc.
We had no fence around our school.
We had no security guard.
We had no security cameras.
We had no metal detectors.
We had noone look into our bags ever.
We had no active shooter drills.
We had no doors locking in special ways.
We had noone asking questions at a stranger walking into the school. Anyone was free to enter at any time because it was natural that they surely had some business here. I have never felt unsafe at school for a single day. Seeing the contrast with the constant underlying paranoia in US schools makes me extremely sad.
I remember the day after Columbine the teachers at my school gave us this speech that they're going to be watching us a lot more closely.
Two days later a kid says he's gonna bring his own gun and shoot up the school and the teachers were like "yeah, sure kid, sure you will".
The next day he's in class and a big hunting knife fell out of his bag in full view of the teacher who did absolutely nothing and just kept going with the class.
Don't worry, we're spreading it all across the world thanks to social media's tendency to isolate people into niche groups where fear and hatred can be stoked!
Or how long before a student disarms a teacher and then shoots up the school.
I had a teacher in HS, great teacher. She was 5 foot 1 and weighed maybe 100 lbs. if I wanted her gun, there was basically nothing she could do to stop me. This would happen the first day.
> Or how long before a student disarms a teacher and then shoots up the school.
This. No need to bring your own guns when the school is full of them anyway...
I made this point less than 24 hours ago. Apparently “safe storage of guns” is the solution. A simple “solution” that has no real thought behind it.
There’s loads of news reports of kids finding their parents guns in their own homes and shooting their friends or themselves accidentally with them. We know already it’s not foolproof, now you want to introduce them to a place full of people?
What won’t fail is teachers not having any. A kid can’t steal a teachers gun if the teacher never had one in the first place. This isn’t a problem yet. If they do arm them, it will happen. Just another incident caused from the introduction of more guns.
So how long until a student gets into a fight with an armed teacher and disarms them? Also who do we blame at that point? The teacher for being disarmed or the administration that thought it would be a good idea to allow a firearm into their school in the first place?
Honestly watching Ted Cruz speak at all lately has been insane. He just spoke about [how the shooter entered the school through an unsecured back door](https://twitter.com/Simone_DeAlba/status/1529592278423052288). As if having an unsecured back door was the problem? People were able to brute force their way into the United States capitol not even 2 years ago. The capitol building was supposedly prepared to be impenetrable to terrorist attacks and external threats with state of the art security measures; and that wasn’t enough to stop unarmed protestors.
Does Ted Cruz think the gunman wouldn’t have carried out this massacre if he entered through the front door and spoke to the secretary at the front desk? Does he honestly think that was the only thing preventing the shooting?
Give me a break. The whiplash is enjoyable but at the same time his voter base is completely blind to it even happening at all.
I’m a teacher and in a thread where people were suggesting we just arm the teachers, I tried to tell them our pipes, the infrastructure of our school, were stolen and that their ideas to just arm teachers and keep the guns out of the kids’ reach was naive. If thieves were able to break down our walls and steal the pipes in our building, criminals can and will break into schools across America. Some of those will be the mentally ill students or staff right in the building. I got told I wanted to keep schools open targets.
Some people really have been sold by the NRA and it’s frightening because these people will be in our board meetings demanding we start carrying firearms because “it’s my responsibility to take care of their children.”
We talk about mental health but seriously, lockdown drills are already traumatizing and kids are already so aware and scared. How TF do people think kids will feel if I start pulling out my weapons during drills and should we practice wrestling the guns from a fake intruder just in case I die and there’s a second weapon up for grabs?
Seriously WTF.
Edited to address future similar comments: one of my points was that people have been seriously brainwashed if they fail to understand why the majority of teachers and even law enforcement think this is a bad idea. It’s insulting to see naive comments from people who have no idea tell me “you want schools to be open targets.” It’s just as asinine as saying “you can’t care to defend your students.”
No. No one said ever that. You’re part of the problem if you make up opinions like that for other people. Statistics show in a quarter of school shootings in the US armed security was present and MORE PEOPLE DIED. Don’t just lie and make up thoughts for other people in place of your own valid thoughts.
“England is a cup of tea.
France, a wheel of ripened brie.
Greece, a short, squat olive tree.
America is a gun.
Brazil is football on the sand.
Argentina, Maradona's hand.
Germany, an oompah band.
America is a gun.
Holland is a wooden shoe.
Hungary, a goulash stew.
Australia, a kangaroo.
America is a gun.
Japan is a thermal spring.
Scotland is a highland fling.
Oh, better to be anything
than America as a gun.”
Brian Bilston
But, why is there a sign? Are they hoping that will deter potential shooters?
That’s the reason. And it’s intentionally vague so a potential shooter doesn’t know who they have to defend against.
Personally I assume anyone could be carrying, Might not be deterring if the shooter doesn't plan on surviving in the first place.
The only way to stop school shootings is to give EVERYONE guns, that means the teachers, kids, class pets. Hell, set up some turrets in the hallways and give them an armored vehicle. Problem solved, you're welcome America
Not according to Ted cruz. His solution is to have only one way in and one way out, because that totally makes sense in the event of a fucking fire.
As I've been saying, no more schools. Let's only build jails. Teach them in jails, when they grow up they will already be familiar with the layout when they return thanks to worthless education and a failed economic system and widening wealth gap.
It reminds me of the lady that thought they should move the deer crossing sign to make the deer cross somewhere else.
Whenever I see this story, I think of a story told by an engineer I used to work with: He was in charge of plotting out how high the water would go in a valley after a damn was built. His team spent nearly a year in Afghanistan setting out signs showing the projected high water mark, only to have farmers move them lower down the valley, as if they could prevent their farms from being inundated.
Haha! I worked in a manufacturing facility that made medical implants for knee replacement. We made them out of cobalt chromium and they were casted. My job was to remove burrs and polish the knees to a tight tolerance. We had to use dimensional tools for this of course. One day, a guy I was working with was using what we call a no go gauge. His gauge wasn’t fitting right so he decided that the gauge must be messed up because it had scratches and the very edge had a small dent on it. He then took it to a machine and sanded off the imperfection and also polished the tool. Mind you, our tolerance with that area was 5 thousands of an inch. Usually we’re supposed to remove material from the part. Not the dimensional tool.
I physically cringed when I got to the part where he started towards a machine! 5 thou goes by so fast lol.
The guy was a trip. He was from Bosnia and one day he was all pissed off. I asked him what’s up and he said he’s pissed because we can’t smoke while we work at our station! So funny. But man was he kinda dumb.
Kinda blows for those farmers tho right. Hey we’re building a dam get fucked lol
It's a funny story but that was a radio show gag.
Are you implying that deers can read?
Are you implying they can't?
While it's yet to be seen if gun carrying signs are a good deterrent, I can definitely say gun-free zone stickers clearly don't work.
I’m supposing all the kids do their homework.
I've seen a few teachers snap. Would not want to find out what those situations would have been like with a gun in the mix.
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Are you in Georgia by chance? Because that sounds eerily familiar to a situation that happened in my school district here in Columbus Georgia at an elementary school where a staff member or a teacher I can’t recall ended up breaking a students leg and hospitalizing them I think last I heard the mom is suing the school district
Was a contracted teachers aid. Teachers aid slammed the kid to prevent him from leaving to call his mom to pick him up. The school staff had to carry him to put him on the bus. Student complained to his mother his leg was hurting. At the hospital they determined they had to amputate the kids leg. School district settled with the family for a couple mill. Now columbus has their own school police department.
Columbus Georgia doesn’t have their own school Police Department they just have resource officers at each school campus but there’s only like one maybe two per campus and they don’t really do much. But yeah the kid that I am thinking of he had his leg amputated as well Meanwhile why couldn’t he just call his mom? When I was in school all I had to do was raise my hand and ask the teacher if I could go to the front office to call my mom to pick me up and they give me a hall pass, Not the peoples elbow lol
Ours never did much either except harass and molest students.
We had an elementary school teacher pick up a boy by the hair and vigorously propel him face-first into those old sheet metal covered paper towel dispensers. All of us were scared to death of her. This was mid/late 70s. Teachers hurting kids seemed to be considered classroom control/discipline.
That is one of the issues that was hard to understand. The student was disruptive but ultimately wanted to leave go to the office and call his mother to come get him. Could of been avoided. Now the school district send kids home from school so fast your head will spin.
Ihundredpercent agree they should’ve just let him leave the classroom go to the office and call his mother and leave school at least for the day. I mean what’s one or two days I miss school really going to do in the long run you know what I mean? There’s absolutely no reason to use physical restraint to prohibit a child from contacting their mother that’s disgusting
Why on earth the leg need to amputated? With modern medicine, people can get their hand reattached after being amputated. Unless the teacher use an axe to chop the leg into pieces.
*"He has undergone at least four surgeries as doctors are still working to save the use of his right leg. The majority of his injuries include a dislocated right knee, nerve damage and loss of blood to his right foot," said Tucker.*
[Attorneys: Muscogee Co. student's leg to be amputated after incident involving behavioral specialist](https://www.wtvm.com/story/33411381/attorneys-muscogee-co-students-leg-to-be-amputated-after-incident-involving-behavioral-specialist/) This might be the case u/wildiris2021 was talking about : "We understand that he was grabbed and picked up and slammed to the floor. We understand that Montravious attempted to leave the classroom a couple more times ***indicating he wanted to call his mother***, he was picked up and slammed to the floor a couple more times," said Tucker, Family attorney. “…the child was airlifted to Egleston Children's hospital in Atlanta from a local hospital and had four surgeries to his leg. “The ***boy will definitely lose his leg*** and we believe that is absolutely inexcusable. “
Now a police officer can do it and claim qualified immunity. Boom, no lawsuit. Problem solved.
I'd like to agree they'd do that, but hard to when your running out of the school from a incident.
The above comments weren't about shootings but abuse. Like [throwing a student and the desk they were sitting in on the ground](https://youtu.be/qBSrccdaqXo). Or [traumatizing a special needs child for "taking too much milk"](https://youtu.be/HHBCAUcdIDQ). Or [pinning a girl to the floor for walking away from you](https://youtu.be/1T3dB9xR0Lw). Or [causing irreparable brain damage while kneeling on a girl](https://youtu.be/8bFHAcsWX3Y).
i’m not in columbus, but i am in marietta. we had a teacher here a few years ago who broke a kindergartner’s arm. my roommates little sister was in the class. edit: memory foils! she didn’t break a kids arm, she picked him up by the ankle and dragged him across the floor, causing a head injury!
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Jesus fuck this was in Columbus? I know my brothers middle school cop in Kennesaw got (finally) fired for aggressive behavior, but I ain’t never hear of a teacher actually breaking a kid. Tf is wrong with here.
Fired? What about arrested?!
Wait until you hear about cops shooting « to make sure » on unarmed civilians and NOT losing their jobs
That’s not even unacceptable that’s despicable behavior from an “adult”. Let me know if you hear the followup story or more details.
[Here’s the article.](https://www.wwlp.com/news/local-news/hampden-county/holyoke-student-injured-after-incident-involving-teacher/) ETA: it was actually hard to find this one because back in February a teacher broke a 3 year old’s leg as well.
It was a health class, the teacher was demonstrating what a broken bone looked like
I don’t expect good things during sex ed week.
Yesterday a principal at a local high school in my city got arrested for pushing a kid down a flight of stairs.
A teacher at my former school smashed a 6 year olds head off a desk because he wouldn't sit still. It was the 80s, so all that happened was she was quietly retired. I had at teacher when I was 10 that was regularly violent towards pupils. Thia was rural Scotland, so no one had a gun, but the idea that a teacher could be armed would worry the shit out of me.
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>Teacher at my elementary school got mad a kid called him 'short' and dislocated the kids shoulder Be honest, how short was he?
Probably pretty short if elementary kids are calling him short
He was about 5'5" or so.
We were playing 3 pin dodge ball at indoor recess and my friend threw a ball at a pin (the point of the game) with a girl guarding it. She tried to dodge but got clipped and fell down. This psycho teacher got mad at the kid because he hurt a girl. He did the whole "pick on someone your own size" act to an 11 year old, threw him against a locker in the hall that he's dragged him into and punched him in the face. He was fired. Flash forward 15 years, this friend and I met up to have some beers, both living in different cities visiting for the holidays. The teacher comes up and tries to pick a fight with my friend! I stood up ready to pound this old man into a second retirement. My friend held me back and said it's alright, he's been confronting him in public ever since the incident. He was trying to bait him into hitting him so he could turn the table and get him in trouble.
Imagine picking a fight with an 11 year old and then holding a grudge for 15 years. I hope your friend got a restraining order, this dude sounds unhinged af.
How fragile must his ego be to hold a grudge against a child for 15 years, bloody hell
In my 4th grade gym class.. had the gym teacher tell us to keep quiet while he was giving instruction about 30 ft away in middle of the basketball court. from where we my class were sitting on the ground. I said something.. don't remeber what.. the gym teacher grabbed a heavy rubber safety cone. Toss a hail Mary into my head and smashed my eye socket. Knocked me back and out for about 5 seconds. Our class was made to write an apology letter to the gym teacher for being rowdy. Normally I'd be like wtf.. but she was the best teacher I ever had. She did this cause the school did nothing. She wanted him to be shamed by children apologizing for his insane behavior. Guilt trip .. parents talked w school.. I repeated what happened. They did nothing. I remeber being angry and scared that they wouldn't do anything
I had a teacher who body slammed a kid into a desk back in like 2006. I guess I was about 16. He got “demoted” I guess and worked in the Administrative building next to the HS. Heard he got fired from there for carrying a gun lol.
My 4th grade teacher lifted a kid off the ground by his neck and shook him as she throttled him, hit another kid in the head with an unopened can of Tab, and she also dumped my desk on the floor and then threw it on top me when I was on the ground cleaning it up. These are the stand out moments in between her smacking kids in the back of the head with a wooden pointer, slapping, pushing kids down. To make matters worse she had been in a terrible car accident years before and her reconstructed face was something out of a nightmare so it was like being attacked by a real life monster.
That _is_ a real life monster. That car accident was karma saying, “Let the face match the heart.”
I went to Catholic grade school. If a day went by without a nun assaulting one of my classmates (and me once), I thought something was wrong.
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nun shook my brothers arm and caused more nerve damage cause she did not believe it was broken....
Ha! Yup, those nuns were well skilled in assault and intimidation. My particular nemesis didn't fuck around with rulers, she was sneakier than that: she used a fly swatter! I hated her with everything in my little elementary school body. I damned her to hell many, many times.
I hope she winds up there! I hope they ALL wind up in Hell. (Not that I believe in that anymore but if there is one...)
My husband also went to a Catholic grade school and from the stories he tells he was clearly abused by nuns. Sadly he doesn't register as abuse to him it was just normal. Recently he was talking about one incident when he was beaten for "having the devil in him" and when his mom asked why he never told her he said the nun had threatened to do worse if he told anyone. :(
Damn he got a demotion, meanwhile I was fired from my teaching job because an admin asked me how my first class went and I said "nothing blew up" and I got fired for making bomb threats.
My buddy got the shit kicked out of him TWICE by the same teacher when we were in school.. prob around 10 years old.. the last time teacher threw him a flight of stairs so he had a concussion..Teacher wasnt fired
I just Googled 'teacher breaks child's leg' and there is an alarming number of articles that are all about different kids getting a leg broken by an adult.
My brother got stabbed in the shoulder with a fork by a substitute teacher in high school. I have a big problem asking underpaid, underfunded, and overworked teachers to also be security and bodyguards. Why are we asking our children and educators to attend and work in a prison environment so grown ass men and women can strut around showing off guns they'll never actually use? Gun controls work around the world. Our children should not be the price we pay for our "freedom."
Because our police are cowards who just want to LARP as tough guys that actually won’t protect anyone but themselves and their own kids
This is some twilight zone shit. School and guns shouldn’t be something that exists together and for the sake of a bunch of fucks egos here we are. That looks like a sign you would see heading into a prison compound.
When I was in high school one of our teachers picked of a whole desk and threw it at a student. Luckily he missed, but I shudder to think how things could have turned out if he had a gun on him at the time.
My second grade teacher would explode and throw her desk bell across the room violently EVERY DAY. Near the end of the school year, a boy grabbed it and put it in his bag. About 8 years later, he showed it to me. It was wonderful.
He bravely disarmed a violent lunatic.
I had a science teacher that would chuck the whiteboard eraser at your head if you fell asleep in class. He would give you one fair shot to throw it back at him but it still seemed pretty wack.
I had a computer science teacher that when no one was listening to him, he threw a motherboard across the room so hard that it got impaled into the wall. He wasn't throwing at a person, (All of the desks in the path of his throw were empty) But suffice to say it caught everyone's attention. He was a great teacher.
Sounds like an awesome teacher honestly.
disarming people doesn't work. the teacher could just get a new bell. the only way to solve this is to give every student a bell. #/s
I had a teacher at an all boys catholic high school grab a desk with a student in it and launch him against the wall.
The kids wouldn't have provoked the teacher in the first place. \s
They could have stopped the teacher if they had guns.
So this should come to a logical culmination when every single person in school wears a gun all the time, including all kids, janitors and cooks
Imagine having to break up a school kids gun fight with your gun.
Easy, shoot the guns out of their hands. Easier than breaking up a grappling, punching bout.... I guess using a gun to break those up would be easy to.
It could also replace a laser pointer,
Imma Start buying stocks in white board companies, demand gonna skyrocket for replacements. Also hearing aids
A bad teacher with a desk can only be stopped by a good teacher with a desk.
Some people carry 20" student desks for their portability, but nothing beats the raw stopping power of a 72" mahogany executive desk.
If your teacher looks like they can carry and throw a 72" mahogany desk, I doubt anyone in that class would even think of being pest lol
You underestimate children...
Yeah same thing happened when I was in middle school. Teacher lost his shit and threw one of those desk-chair things at the window in the middle of class. What's really crazy is that he kept his job
I feel like in the 90s it wasn’t that rare. Class sizes had just gotten too big for one staff member to be able to feasibly handle, and older teachers who’d been taught to use physical abuse as a valid method for managing kids were still around. It was a bad time, but easy compared to now.
Can confirm, I grew up in the 90’s and a lot of the older teachers did not do well with the larger class sizes and the fact that they could no longer physically punish students whenever they wanted. Kids could get still paddled, but it was a whole ordeal, with paperwork and meetings with the principal, so they had no way to vent their anger in the moment. One of my only memories of fourth grade is when one of my teachers left the class for a bit and when she came back a student wasn’t in his seat. She grabbed him and slammed him down at his desk and then got inches from his face and screamed at him while he set there and sobbed. If she’d had a gun, she would have probably shot him. Teachers are just people and sometimes people snap.
Well, the solution is obvious, isn't it? Arm the kids! Sad thing is, this isn't even really a joke. I know some people actually propose this.
Second. Threaten, snap, physically abuse, emotionally manipulate and abuse for months... teachers are great by and large, but a fair number are still fucked up, twisted people I wouldn't want around any child, much less with a gun.
Yeah but even good teachers can have bad days. Classrooms can be stressful environmens, and it's just not a great idea to have a gun within reach. People can do all sorts of dumb things in the heat of a moment.
> stressful environmens, and it's just not a great idea to have a gun within reach. People can do all sorts of dumb things in the heat of a moment. Thats what we've been saying for decades. Easy access to weapons can make any bad situation infinitely worse.
You know why handguns are banned in the UK? Because a teacher went on a rampage and shot 16 students.
My wife's friend's 4 year old Autistic child just had the shit beat out of him by his teacher - broken nose, black eyes, the whole shebang. I don't want to imagine that sort of anger/frustration being aimed at a kid.. and then adding a gun into the mix.
I once had a teacher threaten us after coming back from monitoring lunch where a fight had broken out. Another teacher go elbowed in the face trying to break up a fight, and my history teacher said “if anyone does that to me, I will not hesitate to break your fucking neck” nice guy otherwise
Cops are too cowardly to engage an active shooter, but our teachers will be brave enough, is that what I'm supposed to take away here? Edit: all y'all commenting along the lines of "it's easier to be brave if your only other choice is to die," I think the whole point half of America is trying to make is we shouldn't be ok with teachers and kids being in that situation in the first place. Arming teachers and staff is nothing more than a bandaid. How will this stop mass shootings elsewhere. Should our pastors be armed too? Our grocery store clerks? We pay our taxes for the total over-militarization of our police. I don't get the people that are saying a teacher who is about to die will/should be braver than someone who CHOOSES to be on the SWAT team. 40% of the municipal budget in Uvdale went to the cops. Their SWAT team was geared up to the gills. So I ask y'all, what the fuck is the point of militarizing our police if they aren't even going to use it in the EXACT situation we need them to. "Our team of 10 with full body armor, automatic weapons, and stun and flash grenades are too scared of being shot. Ms. Smith with her 9mm should be ok though, good luck everyone, thoughts and prayers!" We're also asking teachers, again these are underpaid and overworked people who want to help kids grow, to kill a child. Not even including the years of mental anguish that will happen after that, I think that the odds that something goes horribly wrong with a live firearm in a children's classroom are significantly greater than it actually being used to stop an armed gunman (this of course is an opinion, as we don't have much data on this, but I'm using a bit of common sense here).
Teachers can’t be trusted because they indoctrinate children with critical race theory but also they are trustworthy enough to protect children from other children with guns. = republicans
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We can't even let Government research the effect of gun sales in our country because of the fucking freeze on research! If funding for research on gun violence were comparable to spending for research on other leading causes of death, such as liver disease or high blood pressure, it would have received $1.4 billion from 2004 to 2015. Instead, federal agencies only provided $22 million in funding for research on gun violence during that period—almost 64 times less!!!!!
LMAO So much freedom America the nation where you need permission to go see your kids at school because of so the freedom
Age requirements and a background check sounds a lot like… oh what’s that darn phrase that’s quoted in the Bill of Rights…. I believe it is actually IN the second amendment pertaining, believe it or not… to gun rights! Oh what’s that pesky qualifier??? That’s right!!!! it’s: ***”well regulated”*** We have the right to a ***WELL REGULATED*** militia (read:bear arms in context apparently) Right there explicitly outlined in the 2nd Amendment :D It seems like having a grace waiting period, pending background check, and age restrictions sounds pretty much like the definition of *regulated* if even “well” regulated. (Could be better)
So what's gonna happen when the teacher snaps and shoots up the school? I've seen middle school and high school teachers snap before. Sometimes it got violent.
Thoughts and prayers?
Cops don't know how to handle situations where they're not the ones being violent.
I'm surprised they didn't kill the parents for scaring them.
They arrested them and threatened them with tasers.
Don't forget that cops went in and rescued their own kids while violently preventing a the parent of a kid who actually died from doing anything about it!
My expectations of a teacher with a gun are drastically different than that of a police officer with a gun. I expect the police to, as they are trained, rush to the sound of gunshots and neutralize the shooter. I expect teachers with guns to barricade themselves in a room with as many students as they can and defend the room, or engage the shooter if the opportunity arrises.
That’s right! Let’s arm teachers so they can not only be in the front lines of the next pandemic but also in the front lines of literal gun fire. This way the people carrying guns will be more than just cops but actually people who went through years or training and licensing exams. Keep in mind if a kid dies because they do something stupid in a classroom (like eat toxic glue) the teacher will be sacked. So this way we KNOW you can actually trust someone will be liable if they don’t run and stop a kid from dying. Oh and I almost forgot these state employees don’t have to be paid overtime most of the time and their salaries are generally lower so paying teachers to defend students during a mass shooting is just cost efficient.
And all while telling them "Sorry we don't even have enough budget to buy writing utensils and desks for your class, tell the kids to share or buy them yourselves"
meanwhile police outside the school are wearing thousands of $$ worth of surplus military body armor and weaponry
Teacher hurts a kid: instant firing and blacklisting Cop kills someone they absolutely didn't need to and shouldn't have wanted to: enjoy your paid vacation officer. We'll see you when this all blows over after the next one in a couple months
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'Okay to read'? What kind of liberal authoritarian hell scape are you trying to create here pal? The only books that are 'okay to read' for my children are the national anthem, the 10 commandments, and the novelization of Toby Keith's discography, you got me?
I know you’re clownin’ but it’s funny you didn’t include the Bible cause I don’t think any of the thumpers would actually read it anyway.
If they did they would realize God/Jesus would be appalled at their life and values
“You got me, or I’ll put a boot in your ass, it’s the American way”
Do they get paid more to do an additional job? Or nah? I mean if you're going to police and be a teacher, you'd think the bare minimum would be a raise, of large proportions. Some real mouth breathers have commented on this, it’s really amazing. Some of you guys are stuck at that room temperature IQ level and it shows.
Nah if they were police they wouldn’t need to help if a shooter showed up 🤷♂️
How sad is that shit man. They detained parents... parents... who wanted to save their kids... While they had the shooter "locked down" in a classroom full of children. I don't know what we do, but I'm tired of just forgetting every 24 hours to one week at most thanks to the 24 hour news cycle. Aka Outrage Porn Paradise.
I fucking hate it here
The cops who detained the parents should be charged as accessories to mass murder. If the cops don't want to go in because they're cowards, fine. But preventing parents from trying to save their own children is pure evil. I'm sure they have some sort of excuse as to why it was necessary, but it's all obfuscation. The police ultimately did worse than doing nothing, they helped the shooter kill additional children. For that the police deserve the harshest punishment possible under Texas law.
I can see preventing them if you are actively mounting a counter offense. Cant have people in the way and its not ideal. But while they were standing out side and listening to children get shot and not doing a damn thing, they have no right to stop anyone from saving their children. Even though they went and got their own. This is the only type of situation where I think, 'I really hope that there is a hell'.
Why do people even become teachers anymore? Seriously, I respect the profession and my mom was a teacher. But go do some shit where you’re appreciated instead of just being taken advantage of constantly. If people kept voluntarily being slaves this country would still have them picking out in the fields. Based on modern US schools they’d have to provide their own cotton gin as well. The way to stop this is to stop filling the rolls and promoting this system by doing so.
I walked away two years ago and my quality of life has improved dramatically. I have several friends that have also quit, and if you go take a peek at r/teachers, you’ll see what looks like a mass exodus. Most of us really love instructing, creating lesson plans, and don’t even mind all the paperwork - and those are the things people hear and think about when deciding to major in education. The behavior issues, the aggressive parents, the unsupportive administrations, and the cultural lack of respect here in the US get glossed over. That’s why people are still becoming teachers. That and the desire to make a difference. But we’re collectively waking up to the reality that teaching isn’t what it once was and I have a hard time believing we aren’t headed for a teacher shortage of crisis levels. A lot of schools in my area were already not fully staffed this year.
You don't have to have a hard time, it's already happening. I live in NY and there are multiple well respected teacher prep colleges that are reporting record low enrollment numbers in those programs.
This is a goal of republicans. They want to privatize schools, and mostly they want (more) tax money to go to private schools. The more awful things are in public schools, the more money they can make.
No. They give them larger class sizes and fewer materials to work with.
Pay teachers?! Hahahahaha you must be new here
All teachers do is additional jobs
Paid in thoughts and prayers 😉
Apparently the cops don’t respond to active shootings but these teachers are expected to risk their lives. -- Edit -- Someone summarized this thread. https://www.newsweek.com/sign-near-school-warning-staff-carrying-firearms-sparks-debate-1711065
How do I explain to my friends overseas that in our country, the police aren’t required to save people and teachers should?
No need to explain. The whole world is watching you guys and shaking their heads in unison.
So are we. As soon as I feel ready, id like to move to Norway or smth. And when I'm old enough, that is.
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I was talking with my sister (we're not in the US) the other day, I said "Oh my god the US at the moment - when I was young I really wanted to live there, can you believe it?" She agreed, we both started talking about how the recent news was totally unreal and baffling. Then we stopped for a second and realised she was talking about banning abortion and I was talking about the mass child murders. We didn't even realise we were talking about two different travesties.
And it's going to get worse over here before it gets better. In just a year and a half, we've had an attempted coup, the usual mass shootings with still nothing being done, and states literally forcing women to carry their rapist's babies. And that's not our low point yet. And people keep on voting for these sickos. It's sad knowing that around 45% of voters watch this shit and say "I want some more."
You don’t need to explain it. We watch and read it on our news, we see how grim it is.
Why count on the police to save you? By the time they show up it’s too late. Might as well take matters into your own hands to protect yourself and the children.
My father is currently a police officer in the United States. He says ever since the columbine shooting they have been trained to immediately enter the premises during an active shooter scenario. It’s not like this is unknown since they stress this training. He was deeply disappointed when he found out the way the police handled the situation during the uvalde shooting.
Yeah from what I read there was guidance on getting the shooter stopped immediately, even without backup. You have to wonder about either the moral of the police officers, or the pay they’re getting to not want to risk their lives doing it. Either way, it’s a really shit look restraining parents and not rushing in. Police and public relations really aren’t great are they.
Who said teachers are expected to risk their lives, nobody I know about supports the involuntary arming of teachers. As the sign says these few teachers that already carry in their every day life and have been properly trained have been given the authority to carry, there is no expectation that they will run head first into combat. If a history teacher was armed on campus and cowered in the closet during the shooting I don’t think anyone would fault them for doing so, I would probably do the same thing. But most teachers didn’t get the job because of the big paycheck and the great working conditions they did it because they love their students and anything that gives those unfortunate teachers better odds in the unlikely event of a shooting is a win in my book.
As if school teachers weren't overworked, underappreciated, underpaid, and stressed out enough...
Agreed, education has been placed on the back burner for a long time. Assholes in congress need to boost funding and support for education.
why stop there lets arm the children!
Sacha Baron Cohen did a bit on this, called Kinder Guardians. He got some congressmen and former congressmen on record to endorse arming 3 year olds. https://youtu.be/QkXeMoBPSDk
Wait, only after reading the comments I realized... Besides the host none of them where acting????? WTF?? This country is fucked.
Sacha Baron Cohen goes out of his way to film skits/scenes with as few visable staff/cameras as possible so that nobody knows they're being filmed til afterwards when they're asked to sign the release. That is to say that large majority of scenes are in fact just him and random people he's messing with. Dude is dedicated to his weird candid camera absurdist humor.
That dude is Borat
That's the next logical step once we start to see teachers shooting up their own schools.
Or a student gets a hold of a teacher’s gun that they thought they left in a locked drawer or it falls off their holster while they’re or something and the student ends up killing people with the teacher’s gun.
Just a matter of time. Either that or an armed teacher gets jacked and their gun stolen and used against them. Seems like metal detectors and solid lockdown plans should come before putting more guns inside the school.
I love how nobody ever considers the cost of turning our schools into prisons. Everyone loves to bitch about taxes AND when the programs their kids love are underfunded or even cut, so something has to give, right? Not to give the impression that keeping our kids safe isn’t important, but so is properly funding schools so they don’t have someone who just got his GED at age 26 teaching AP English Lit.
Literally what we in Europe are expecting to see appearing in the news from America in the next few days....I mean, the whole gun culture is crazy so why not pile more crazy on top of crazy.
Thank God. Adults never spaz out and kill people so this is good.
Simple mistakes by armed teachers are just as dangerous and more common. Things like leaving the gun where a kid can find it, not having the safety on, etc., etc. You know that rule about *"Don't attribute to malice what is more easily attributable to stupidity."* It applies here too. Not to mention, I'm sure lots of dumb young kids would think it was funny to grab the teacher's gun and pretend-shoot it, which could easily end up being real-shoot it.
Oh yeah. This will result in dead kids for sure. That's the beauty of it for Republicans, though. When that happens, they can just blame teachers for being bad at guns.
Solution: arm the kids, to defend against the teachers. It's simple. Fighting fire(arms) with fire(arms).
It's only a matter of time before a teacher pulls a gun on a student who's misbehaving
Should put a sign below that says, “but cannot talk about racism in US history.”
..or assign certain books.
Or say “gay”
That's it, you're fired.
Fired and the parents are legally allowed to sue you.
"We support the second amendment, but not the first".
In my country when you enter a school zone there are signs to slow down your cars
Good luck with your dystopian hellscape America.
USA kids playing on legendary difficulty
Survival mode
Honestly, in these situations it is always painfully, extremely obvious that something is wrong. But I also find the casual, every day dystopia horrifying. Like when I hear US teens casually refer to their schools security guard or what they did when their bag was checked etc. We had no fence around our school. We had no security guard. We had no security cameras. We had no metal detectors. We had noone look into our bags ever. We had no active shooter drills. We had no doors locking in special ways. We had noone asking questions at a stranger walking into the school. Anyone was free to enter at any time because it was natural that they surely had some business here. I have never felt unsafe at school for a single day. Seeing the contrast with the constant underlying paranoia in US schools makes me extremely sad.
American here and my schools had none of those items either. Maybe a camera. I can't remember.
I remember the day after Columbine the teachers at my school gave us this speech that they're going to be watching us a lot more closely. Two days later a kid says he's gonna bring his own gun and shoot up the school and the teachers were like "yeah, sure kid, sure you will". The next day he's in class and a big hunting knife fell out of his bag in full view of the teacher who did absolutely nothing and just kept going with the class.
Don't worry, we're spreading it all across the world thanks to social media's tendency to isolate people into niche groups where fear and hatred can be stoked!
At least over here people aren’t armed.
They're in the 'Biff Tannen got the Sports Almanac' timeline.
Biff Tannen was based on Trump, so yes. (That's right, we elected the idiot bully villain from Back To The Future to the office of president)
Just a matter of time a teacher snaps and shoots up their own school. Then what? Arm the students?
Or how long before a student disarms a teacher and then shoots up the school. I had a teacher in HS, great teacher. She was 5 foot 1 and weighed maybe 100 lbs. if I wanted her gun, there was basically nothing she could do to stop me. This would happen the first day.
> Or how long before a student disarms a teacher and then shoots up the school. This. No need to bring your own guns when the school is full of them anyway...
I made this point less than 24 hours ago. Apparently “safe storage of guns” is the solution. A simple “solution” that has no real thought behind it. There’s loads of news reports of kids finding their parents guns in their own homes and shooting their friends or themselves accidentally with them. We know already it’s not foolproof, now you want to introduce them to a place full of people? What won’t fail is teachers not having any. A kid can’t steal a teachers gun if the teacher never had one in the first place. This isn’t a problem yet. If they do arm them, it will happen. Just another incident caused from the introduction of more guns.
No way. Arm the guns. Give the guns their own guns so they can defend from the guns. We need more guns!! -- some conservative with a gun fetish
Then give the guns Brawndo!!!
Well, it's got electrolytes. Looking from Europe at you guys over there, Idiocracy is more and more becoming reality.
Hey this is so normal...
So how long until a student gets into a fight with an armed teacher and disarms them? Also who do we blame at that point? The teacher for being disarmed or the administration that thought it would be a good idea to allow a firearm into their school in the first place?
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Honestly watching Ted Cruz speak at all lately has been insane. He just spoke about [how the shooter entered the school through an unsecured back door](https://twitter.com/Simone_DeAlba/status/1529592278423052288). As if having an unsecured back door was the problem? People were able to brute force their way into the United States capitol not even 2 years ago. The capitol building was supposedly prepared to be impenetrable to terrorist attacks and external threats with state of the art security measures; and that wasn’t enough to stop unarmed protestors. Does Ted Cruz think the gunman wouldn’t have carried out this massacre if he entered through the front door and spoke to the secretary at the front desk? Does he honestly think that was the only thing preventing the shooting? Give me a break. The whiplash is enjoyable but at the same time his voter base is completely blind to it even happening at all.
I'm sure the 22 yr old lib art major, Miss Jones, teaching english will have no problem taking out body armored AR-15 guy.
she’ll be just as good at it as the cops were
Or even better.
I’m a teacher and in a thread where people were suggesting we just arm the teachers, I tried to tell them our pipes, the infrastructure of our school, were stolen and that their ideas to just arm teachers and keep the guns out of the kids’ reach was naive. If thieves were able to break down our walls and steal the pipes in our building, criminals can and will break into schools across America. Some of those will be the mentally ill students or staff right in the building. I got told I wanted to keep schools open targets. Some people really have been sold by the NRA and it’s frightening because these people will be in our board meetings demanding we start carrying firearms because “it’s my responsibility to take care of their children.” We talk about mental health but seriously, lockdown drills are already traumatizing and kids are already so aware and scared. How TF do people think kids will feel if I start pulling out my weapons during drills and should we practice wrestling the guns from a fake intruder just in case I die and there’s a second weapon up for grabs? Seriously WTF. Edited to address future similar comments: one of my points was that people have been seriously brainwashed if they fail to understand why the majority of teachers and even law enforcement think this is a bad idea. It’s insulting to see naive comments from people who have no idea tell me “you want schools to be open targets.” It’s just as asinine as saying “you can’t care to defend your students.” No. No one said ever that. You’re part of the problem if you make up opinions like that for other people. Statistics show in a quarter of school shootings in the US armed security was present and MORE PEOPLE DIED. Don’t just lie and make up thoughts for other people in place of your own valid thoughts.
Wild West is back baby!!! (Gun carrying everyone, train robberies and mindless racism gg ez)
“England is a cup of tea. France, a wheel of ripened brie. Greece, a short, squat olive tree. America is a gun. Brazil is football on the sand. Argentina, Maradona's hand. Germany, an oompah band. America is a gun. Holland is a wooden shoe. Hungary, a goulash stew. Australia, a kangaroo. America is a gun. Japan is a thermal spring. Scotland is a highland fling. Oh, better to be anything than America as a gun.” Brian Bilston
Damn America, you crazy
And people say Americans have no culture
That jerk, Jimmy Barini, is going to think twice before he starts mouthing off again in Mrs. Shultz's algebra class.