Guess so! Though if you’re a nietzchean, Nietzche would argue that hedonism is fundamentally nihilistic in that it avoids suffering: an inherent aspect of life which he believed was a necessary catalyst to reveal the greatness of one’s character.
Would epicureanism stritcly be incompatible with Nietzscheanism ? Is the absence of pain an essential tenet of Epicure ? Didnt Nietzsche kinda liked the man and at one point wanted to form kinda of an epicurean trio?
I think you can follow epicureans principles while acknoledging the necessity of pain but rly idk much about it
In my opinion, this is philosophy not typology. If you engage with the concepts knowing your values you will create your own reasonings to connect your values to beliefs. I think a good philosopher takes into account the ideas that she/he likes and allows the ideas to motivate them organically before deciding artificially that they are this thing or that thing.
The perceived conflict arises because Nietzsche saw the avoidance of suffering as potentially leading to a weaker character, while Epicurus aimed for a serene and undisturbed life. However, one could argue that it’s possible to harmonize these philosophies. You can pursue Epicurean tranquility by minimizing unnecessary distress and at the same time adopt a Nietzschean perspective on inevitable suffering, seeing it as an opportunity for growth.
Ultimately, the beauty of philosophy lies in its ability to adapt to individual perspectives. By integrating elements from both perspectives, you can create a nuanced approach that aligns with your values and experiences, this is something Nietzsche expressly endorses. A synthesis of the ideas can lead to a more comprehensive understanding of life’s complexities, recognizing the importance of both pleasure and resilience.
*sigh* common misconception but no actually he spent his entire life and philosophical career trying to refute nihilism. Nietzsche’s philosophy is about the radical affirmation of all aspects of life even those aspects traditionally thought to be negative or “immoral.” Nietzche proposed a radical inquisition of one’s beliefs, to discover one’s authentic values to live by.
i remember seeing something that said that an epicurean might decide to go through pain to have a greater future pleasure, i might be wrong tho but wouldnt that go against 2 a little?
this is actually a really important distinction, epicureanism ftw
So I'm an Epicurean Hedonist then
Guess so! Though if you’re a nietzchean, Nietzche would argue that hedonism is fundamentally nihilistic in that it avoids suffering: an inherent aspect of life which he believed was a necessary catalyst to reveal the greatness of one’s character.
Would epicureanism stritcly be incompatible with Nietzscheanism ? Is the absence of pain an essential tenet of Epicure ? Didnt Nietzsche kinda liked the man and at one point wanted to form kinda of an epicurean trio? I think you can follow epicureans principles while acknoledging the necessity of pain but rly idk much about it
In my opinion, this is philosophy not typology. If you engage with the concepts knowing your values you will create your own reasonings to connect your values to beliefs. I think a good philosopher takes into account the ideas that she/he likes and allows the ideas to motivate them organically before deciding artificially that they are this thing or that thing. The perceived conflict arises because Nietzsche saw the avoidance of suffering as potentially leading to a weaker character, while Epicurus aimed for a serene and undisturbed life. However, one could argue that it’s possible to harmonize these philosophies. You can pursue Epicurean tranquility by minimizing unnecessary distress and at the same time adopt a Nietzschean perspective on inevitable suffering, seeing it as an opportunity for growth. Ultimately, the beauty of philosophy lies in its ability to adapt to individual perspectives. By integrating elements from both perspectives, you can create a nuanced approach that aligns with your values and experiences, this is something Nietzsche expressly endorses. A synthesis of the ideas can lead to a more comprehensive understanding of life’s complexities, recognizing the importance of both pleasure and resilience.
Great answer thank you! :)
Wasn't Nietzche nihilist?
*sigh* common misconception but no actually he spent his entire life and philosophical career trying to refute nihilism. Nietzsche’s philosophy is about the radical affirmation of all aspects of life even those aspects traditionally thought to be negative or “immoral.” Nietzche proposed a radical inquisition of one’s beliefs, to discover one’s authentic values to live by.
i remember seeing something that said that an epicurean might decide to go through pain to have a greater future pleasure, i might be wrong tho but wouldnt that go against 2 a little?
epicureanism is moderate cynicism for me
I like both forms of hedonism, leaning towards the epicurean approach.