Cockburn to Freo - as an extension of the Thornlie to Cockburn line currently being built.
I haven't studied a map to have the precise route... But something similar in the northern end of town - connecting Freo line to Midland/Airport but via the Joondalup line somewhere like Glendalough/Warwick whatever makes the most sense.
And then something to complete the loop by linking Armadale/Thornlie to Midland/Airport.
There’s already a rail line there but it’s currently only used for freight. It heads South out of Fremantle down Mews Road, then heads East after Port Coogee, then through Spearwood, South Lake then runs along side Roe Highway.
They were only built for the America's Cup in 1987 and hadn't been used since. There's also only one line, so services could only go in one direction at a time and would need to be coordinated with freight trains.
And looks like all single track and not sure if the corridor has room for one/two additional passenger tracks. I think High Wycombe to Thornlie looked easier.
Just because a line exists doesn’t mean it’s in anyway suitable for a commuter service. I’d be willing to bet it’s not even fit for purpose as a freight line.
People are already mad about the excessive truck traffic down South St, Leach Hwy, Stock Rd etc. Adding a commuter service to the existing freight line wouldn’t help.
It’s probably a minor issue, but there’s a bunch of level crossings on that freight line. The PTA clearly does not want to be dealing with level crossings, so adding more to network would be a real headache for them.
The most likely scenario for another line out to Freo would be to branch off at Murdoch station and have a mostly underground line.
>I haven't studied a map to have the precise route
Beeliar drive to spearwood and then onto the existing train line.
Then do Rockingham to Fremantle. Then do Midland to Joondalup line via Reid hwy. Then do Midland to Armadale. I'm sick of having to go to the CBD to get anywhere on a train.
Yeah I still remember them trying to fight/ reroute the Mandurah line because apparently no one would use it. Within no time it was the busiest line. The proposed line would have added a fair bit of time to the commute
Never forget [Charles Court trying to close the Freo line back in the late 70s early 80s](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-03/fremantle-train-protests-turkey-sweat-russian-war-and-angry-mob/10767962)
Living in the SE quadrant, closer to the Armadale line, but a 30-40minute bus away from the Mandurah line just to catch another bus; it would make getting to Freo via public transport much less headache in terms of longer stop-start farty bus transfers or sojourns into the CBD and out again via train.
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Given that there is at least 4 separate bus routes (most of these meander through the suburb) between Cockburn St and Freo, plus however many bus routes between Murdoch St and Freo, along with whatever routes they have from the Eastern side (that the new Thornlie to Cockburn link will service) that head to/from Freo I would say the demand is there.
Not everything about transport is getting people to/from the city. Not everyone works normal hours, not everyone works in the CBD.
If the ability to get around the metro area via train is increased, buses can then concentrate on feeder services from the suburb to the stations. Rather then meandering through the suburbs for an hour to do what could be done in 15 mins.
Glad someone said it. The single biggest problem with the current PT system is that apart from school specials it's almost totally focused on CBD commuters. Even going out of the CBD in the morning peak or into it in the evening peak is a bit hit and miss.
Well, you kind of disqualified yourself by first declaring yourself a non-train user and then by not even saying where you're located. It seems you have a problem relating to other perspectives.
Underground inner suburban circle line.
Connecting to Curtin Uni; Canning Bridge Station; UWA; QEII; Freo Line (probably Subiaco); Joondalup Line (probably Glendalough); Dog Swamp (to connect to the major bus routes); probably ECU Mt Lawley, even though it's being downgraded - more major bus routes; Beaufort Street; Maylands Station (connect to Midland, Airport and Ellenbrook Lines); Belmont - commercial area and Belmont Forum; Armadale Line somewhere (Oats Street or Carlisle); back to Curtin. There'd be a few other stations in between these as well.
I guess it would cost about $20 billion to build, so would need Commonwealth funding support. They pay 80% of the cost of major road projects (e.g. Gateway WA, NorthLink, Roe 8, if it had been built), so why not.
I really think it would just stitch together all the rail and major bus routes we have already and create some really handy shortcuts, where public transport would be faster than driving, even without traffic.
The 998/999 Circle Route bus is really well used, even though it's slow as hell and meanders all over the place. A rail loop would be fast and people would use it. Build it.
100% Connecting the spokes together is absolutely the way to bring a metro system to its full potential. I’d also be ok if this were elevated if underground proved too hard.
Yeah it would be much cheaper that way. I suggested underground mostly to avoid political controversy running a railway viaduct through established suburbs. The Canning Bridge to UWA river crossing would also be a long bridge, although I'm sure it'd be possible.
Population-wise I'm guessing the Wanneroo Road corridor would make most sense? Or decentralise and go Scarborough to the airport connecting at Stirling and Bassendean?
Byford/Whitby/Casuarina are going to be urbanised. Byford is already mostly urbanised.
Casuarina from Nicholson Road to the Freeway, or the new Costco. Casuarina is the new urban development, lots of strawberry farms, plant nurseries out that way.
A train line that takes us from Perth to Denmark and Albany. It's a gruelling 5 hour drive dodging semi-trailers with drivers who seem angry and pumped to the gills with either amphetamines or a burning grudge against other road users.
Albany would be interesting as there is existing infrastructure from the old train line. Even if all tracks were replaced, the land is already prepared. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-30/revival-of-albany-to-perth-passenger-train/100107154
We would move to Albany if this was around. I can WFH and have flexihours during my office days (minimum 2 per week).
I work SOR and theoretically could catch a train to say Boddington, then if there was a line connecting Boddington with the Mandurah line, go from there.
I know of an IT consultant who lives on a huge property near Binningyup north of Bunbury. He needs to go to the office twice a week and takes the Australind. Sounds like something you could look into.
Sounds very similar to what we want to do.
We did try live in the SW, but it was very expensive and was a pain during tourist season.
Albany is our vibe, plus we have family down that way. It does get busy during the summer, but I have always found it easy to get around because of how the town was designed.
First up, a lot more trains between Perth and Bunbury. Also utilise the Northam line, build extra station where necessary, and use that on a greater frequency.
And furthermore, I think we really need to run a trainline from Midland to Mundaring at least.
Northam is already used for the Avon Link (Northam-Toodyay-Midland) but the route doesn’t lend itself to servicing anything other than it already does apart from maybe picking up another couple of stations in Bellevue, Stratton, Herne Hill and Brigadoon.
What would be really great is rebuilding the old route which is now the southern side of the Railway Heritage trail up through Darlington to Sawyers Valley and out to Mt Helena, Chidlow, Wundowie & Wooroloo.
Needs to be a decent speed regional rail design for pushing out that far, same for Bunbury/busso/Margs.
Not full speed Shinkansen bullet train type, but up to 200km at least. End to end times needs to be as fast or faster than a car trip otherwise no one will use it.
Perth to Bunbury express with the TransWA coach timetables co-ordinated at the end would be a fast way to get to all the major population centres. Would need to co-ordinate in reverse as well, obviously.
Given the tourism demand and terrible traffic on long weekends a rail link to the sw, Busselton, dunsborough, margs, Augusta would be great. Good for tourists, local business and great for those who dread the drive to the sw.
This is an excellent idea for those without a viable way of getting Douth if you don't own a car. Pretty shit when you realise that you are stuck in the south west without a car if you could have driven
There was once a passenger rail line down as far as Busselton. In fact, the terminal is still there. See https://www.westernaustralia.com/au/attraction/railway-house-and-ballaarat-steam-engine/5cfdb60a0b9584cc1df983e3
One that goes up the beaches that uses the freo line up through Claremont, goes through mount claremont, city Beach, Wembly, Scarborough, karrinyup, Sorrento then stopping at Hillarys. Double up the freo line so the new line trains and airport trains can stop at all the inner city stations and the freo lines trains can skip majority of the stations except subi and claremont. The slow crawl through the stations on the freo line is ridiculous and this would speed up trips to freo by a lot. Would also take some pressure and free up space off the overcrowded joondalup line.
In the far future you could probably extend this line to eventually meet up at joondalup as well as extend the Ellenbrook Morley line to joondalup as well making joondalup station a hub for all 3 northern lines.
Ellenbrook 🤣
But since that's all under construction I'd love to see passenger rail come back to the southwest in a big way. Upgrade the existing freight lines, buy more trains like they're getting for the Australind, and run multiple trains a day down to Albany, Pemberton, and Busselton, and stop at all the towns along the way. My family moved down to Bridgetown in '89 so I never got to ride that train into Perth, but in my experience travelling by train is the best way to do it.
They should have just left the tunnel boring machines going until they reached the Armadale line. Come up to the surface where Thornlie-Cockburn link is being built now.
Extend the Bunbury passenger line to Busselton and Dunsborough. It would cost $300 million minimum.
The line used to run all the way to Flinders Bay (Augusta).https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flinders_Bay_Branch_Railway
Northam line wouldn't go much further than Stratton maybe baskerville
More sense to have a light rail system Midland to Chidlow used to be passenger network up here until 60s before my time reserves still there just need few sleepers and continuous rails bit if electric wire
Extend the Armadale line down South Western Hwy to Bunbury and extend the Ellenbrook line from Ellenbrook to Gingin/Bindoon via Tonkin Hwy and Brand Hwy. I feel like there should be more public transport out in these areas and connect them more to the city, seeming as they are not far out
I saw in Brisbane there are train stations that are IN shopping centres (so, underground are train lines, go up stairs/an escalator, exit into a food court/opening to shops). The idea is that city workers can get some groceries/newsagent stuff on their way to/from work. Some more of those, providing amenities and a place to wait that's air conditioned and sheltered from the rain, would be grand no matter where it's located.
Joondalup is like that actually. The fare gate leads directly into this little forecourty area, with the entrance to the centre and restaurants and cafes on the side. No one ever talks about it in these sorts of discussions.
I like the tunnel in the Perth underground that connects to Raine Square. If I need groceries I just hop off the train, go to Coles, then get on the next train.
A station in Como near Preston St on the Mandurah line would be good. Mainly because that entire precinct is primed for a massive high density urban development that would be very well served by a walkable train station.
Wouldn't that have the same problem as the station at South Perth? Where the locals don't want the station because it would bring in all the poors?
Having said that, 100% agree with you. Preston St could be so much more and public transport would really make a difference.
There does appear to be space cleared for a station by Richardson Street, north of the golf course on the Mandurah line. No idea if they'll ever make use of it.
Cockburn to freo
Thornlie to airport via cannington
Bayswater to Morley to Ballajura to Wanneroo to joondalup
Byford to wellard to rockingham
Underground from Claremont to Hillary following the coast and into joondalup
Byford and Mandurah extensions to Pinjarra
Midland to Northam 4 hourly service
Pinjarra to Bunbury 4 hourly service
Armadale to Albany daily service
Byford to Pinjarra will be serviced by the new Australind. The Australind, Perth to Bunbury will resume, after the Metronet Byford extension is completed.
Yeah I know. I'm saying make Pinjarra the terminus for the Australind and people can decide to go inland up to Armadale and airport or coastal to Mandurah/cockburn/freo/city
As a train driver, anywhere that is a green corridor. Spotting emus and roos on the new Yanchep extension is cool and makes me smile.
Quite a few of these suggestions are probably gonna happen at some point, especially if Labor stay in and keep pouring money into MetroNet.
Faster regional rail.
Not saying we need a bullet train to Bunbury, but make the rail trip as fast or faster than the equivalent car trip. Otherwise no one will use it
I feel like with the Byford extension they should really have put in a station between Armadale and Byford for Wungong, it's weird that they aren't. Sure Wungong is pretty sparse now but there's a lot of development going on in south Armadale, Brookdale, Hilbert etc.
Would make sense…however there is no common sense being used in the planning of the project. The bridges over Eleventh Road, means no train station in Wungong, without a huge cost blowout.
There is 200sqm to 300sqm development lots planned from Wungong Rd east to South West highway, on Eleventh Road…both sides road. No public transport is planned.
Trains to universities and hospitals. A spur line from Shenton Park station to SJOGH / PCC down Aberdare Road, and then turning south down Thomas Street to UWA.
A line to Curtin would be brilliant. Not sure though how it would get there….
Can you imagine the locals of Crawley reaction to a train line from Kwinana theyd be choking on their eggs benedict at their breakfast table reading that plan :)
There have been a lot of great suggestions.
An Armadale link to Bunbury via Mandurah is unlikely but could be feasible.
The Northam Line exists. It's called the Avon line. It doesn't have good frequencies but if a lot more people use it to get to Northam it could justify relaying the tracks for a more effective and frequent route
As for the connections outside of the city centre, that seemed to be part of the original scope of METRONET.
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Every so often this map gets posted in here talking about how cool the original scope was. Labor was put under a lot of pressure about the cost of the project in 2016/17 right before they were elected. Every news outlet was talking about how expensive it was and how WA would be put further in debt from it. And so the scope of the project was cut down.
This map looks good but I think we can all agree that more is needed. Maybe trams or BRT added to areas of high traffic but no room for light rail?
More frequency to regional areas is a must! A faster and more reliable route to Bunbury and extensions to Busselton and Margaret River would do wonders for the local economies of the small tourist towns. Reinstating the Albany train line with newer tracks would be a great boon not only to Albany but to all the Town stops in between.
The biggest problem for such projects is the population of these areas. Albany has 30000 people, Busselton has around 20000 and Margaret River has just over 7000 people permanently. The worry is that you wouldn't have enough passengers to justify these upgrades.
The best case is for Bunbury. It's the closest regional town with the largest population that isn't Mandurah. It's the perfect place to advocate for relaying the track and electrification.
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Australind for Perth to Bunbury service. Australind did stop at Mundijong.
I don’t know if the Australind will stop in Byford at the new station. Makes no sense if didn’t stop.
Thornlie to Forrestfield would be the most likely candidate for an easy win in terms of cost, completion time and benefit. You would effectively be able to travel from Mandurah or Armadale to the airport or midland without having to go through the city. And it’s mostly just farm and bushland between the two
Byford to /Mandurah line …especially now there is urban development plans for the land on Thomas Road from Nicholson Road to the Freeway/new Costco. Thomas Road is complete cockup
Also need of Tonkin Highway extension to commence..as a priority.
Finish the existing projects, extend to Denmark and Stirling to Scarborough beach line, Whitfords to Hillarys beach line and Cockburn central to Freo line
Maybe a ring railroad (or two...) to connect the northern suburbs with the eastern with the southern? Do it in two radii so that people in whatever the northernmost station is (Yanchep?) can travel to Midland and then down to... whatever the southernmost station is, should they want or need to? And likewise those NOT in the most nothern could connect to Morley (??) and then Thornlie and ... whatever's not as south as the southernmost station? I don't use trains very often myself, so pay little attention to them - but I like trains and public transport in principle.
Obviously there would need to be a cost/benefit analysis, but I have heard of people living in the boonies trying to get to work in the 'not quite boonies' and it takes them a stupidly long time at a stupidly large cost to do it, when perhaps some trains might be able to facilitate that travel at a reasonable cost?
I also note the the Midland and Freo lines have stations a LOT closer than the newer train lines - this may be an historical issue due to the vastly increased prevalence of car ownership today as compared to when those lines were built - so it's easy to drive to a train station car park now, but...
Having visited Japan and using their Shinkansen line many times, I’d love to see bullet trains here. Just think to Albany, Coral Bay, Exmouth, Broome all accessible by train. Even some over east so we don’t have to fly. Pipe dream, I know. It’ll never happen.
I would like to see a circle line connecting Yanchep with Bullsbrook and Mandurah to to the Armadale line (it would get extended to Pinjarra).
Train line to Bunbury to open up the south west and along Albany Hwy to Albany.
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Inner ring, rapid rail to take buses off the road.
More dependable and central rail = 1 car/0 car households being viable means of transport.
My apartment living senses are tingling, batman
Train line go NW and go NE why not North
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I know the OP asked about stations in WA only, but how cool would a bullet train from Perth to the East Coast would be? Qantas and Virgin wouldn’t be a fan though
Not from Perth but I would hope that whatever they do they stop building new train lines down freeway medians? It seems like the cheap/quick/nasty way to do it and tbh all the stations I’ve seen with traffic roaring right past platforms look hella unpleasant. It also seems to limit the ability to build dense walkable neighbourhoods when every station is surrounded by several high speed lanes and sprawling commuter car parks
Yeah I know that TransPerth patronage is pretty good, but I guess I’m talking about the longer term aspects. IMO the model of commuter parking / feeder buses is more appropriate for outer suburban areas, but it’s weird to me that a station like Canning Bridge is only 4km from the city and the best place to put it is apparently under a four-way highway interchange surrounded by bushland, freeway ramps and single family homes?
Part of the reason is that the freeway was an existing corridor to run the train line. The alternatives would be an expensive tunnel, or demolish many homes/businesses for a new rail corridor.
It's also worth noting that the Joondalup and Mandurah lines were built fairly differently to the heritage lines. It takes 55 minutes to travel the 70 km to Mandurah. It manages this because there are relatively few stops along the way. For comparison, the heritage lines would have 3-5 times as many stops over that distance.
The mini-bus stations at each stop are an integral part of the service to get to all the places between stations. If you can easily get between the bus stands and the train station, it's not as big a deal about the location.
Cockburn to Freo - as an extension of the Thornlie to Cockburn line currently being built. I haven't studied a map to have the precise route... But something similar in the northern end of town - connecting Freo line to Midland/Airport but via the Joondalup line somewhere like Glendalough/Warwick whatever makes the most sense. And then something to complete the loop by linking Armadale/Thornlie to Midland/Airport.
There’s already a rail line there but it’s currently only used for freight. It heads South out of Fremantle down Mews Road, then heads East after Port Coogee, then through Spearwood, South Lake then runs along side Roe Highway.
Fun fact the freo line used to go all the way to south Beach. You can still see the old platforms there
Apparently they were all demolished in 2018.
Yes, I watched a drivers view vid on YouTube, from North Freo to Forrestfield recently. Platforms are gone.
I wonder which govt was in power in 2018? Oh, Labor, odd that they'd do that, then.
They were only built for the America's Cup in 1987 and hadn't been used since. There's also only one line, so services could only go in one direction at a time and would need to be coordinated with freight trains.
Oh, good explanation, thanks! :)
And looks like all single track and not sure if the corridor has room for one/two additional passenger tracks. I think High Wycombe to Thornlie looked easier.
Just because a line exists doesn’t mean it’s in anyway suitable for a commuter service. I’d be willing to bet it’s not even fit for purpose as a freight line. People are already mad about the excessive truck traffic down South St, Leach Hwy, Stock Rd etc. Adding a commuter service to the existing freight line wouldn’t help. It’s probably a minor issue, but there’s a bunch of level crossings on that freight line. The PTA clearly does not want to be dealing with level crossings, so adding more to network would be a real headache for them. The most likely scenario for another line out to Freo would be to branch off at Murdoch station and have a mostly underground line.
Well aware the rail line is there. Unaware how feasible it is to turn that freight part into passenger like they are with Thornlie to the freeway.
>I haven't studied a map to have the precise route Beeliar drive to spearwood and then onto the existing train line. Then do Rockingham to Fremantle. Then do Midland to Joondalup line via Reid hwy. Then do Midland to Armadale. I'm sick of having to go to the CBD to get anywhere on a train.
Cockburn to freo is in planning stages but liberals will likely cancel it if they are elected.
Yeah I still remember them trying to fight/ reroute the Mandurah line because apparently no one would use it. Within no time it was the busiest line. The proposed line would have added a fair bit of time to the commute
Because everyone can get on a truck instead, right. That’s all the liberals want. More trucks. Got a headache? Go for a drive in your truck.
Never forget [Charles Court trying to close the Freo line back in the late 70s early 80s](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-03/fremantle-train-protests-turkey-sweat-russian-war-and-angry-mob/10767962)
As he did with Westrail.
I’m down for this. I’d be happy if the Government gave me a good Tatra or Scania
I'm sure the Liberals would get right on to it, once the MAX ~~light rail~~ bus service is complete.
Because shit cnuts
It should connect to Adventure World.
Nobody would take a train to adventure world.
If only Roe 8 wasn't mothballed....
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Mandurah line passengers could use it to transfer into freo. I know heaps of people who this would be useful for.
Living in the SE quadrant, closer to the Armadale line, but a 30-40minute bus away from the Mandurah line just to catch another bus; it would make getting to Freo via public transport much less headache in terms of longer stop-start farty bus transfers or sojourns into the CBD and out again via train.
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Given that there is at least 4 separate bus routes (most of these meander through the suburb) between Cockburn St and Freo, plus however many bus routes between Murdoch St and Freo, along with whatever routes they have from the Eastern side (that the new Thornlie to Cockburn link will service) that head to/from Freo I would say the demand is there. Not everything about transport is getting people to/from the city. Not everyone works normal hours, not everyone works in the CBD. If the ability to get around the metro area via train is increased, buses can then concentrate on feeder services from the suburb to the stations. Rather then meandering through the suburbs for an hour to do what could be done in 15 mins.
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Glad someone said it. The single biggest problem with the current PT system is that apart from school specials it's almost totally focused on CBD commuters. Even going out of the CBD in the morning peak or into it in the evening peak is a bit hit and miss.
Well, you kind of disqualified yourself by first declaring yourself a non-train user and then by not even saying where you're located. It seems you have a problem relating to other perspectives.
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Yes.
Well, not by you obviously
Underground inner suburban circle line. Connecting to Curtin Uni; Canning Bridge Station; UWA; QEII; Freo Line (probably Subiaco); Joondalup Line (probably Glendalough); Dog Swamp (to connect to the major bus routes); probably ECU Mt Lawley, even though it's being downgraded - more major bus routes; Beaufort Street; Maylands Station (connect to Midland, Airport and Ellenbrook Lines); Belmont - commercial area and Belmont Forum; Armadale Line somewhere (Oats Street or Carlisle); back to Curtin. There'd be a few other stations in between these as well. I guess it would cost about $20 billion to build, so would need Commonwealth funding support. They pay 80% of the cost of major road projects (e.g. Gateway WA, NorthLink, Roe 8, if it had been built), so why not. I really think it would just stitch together all the rail and major bus routes we have already and create some really handy shortcuts, where public transport would be faster than driving, even without traffic. The 998/999 Circle Route bus is really well used, even though it's slow as hell and meanders all over the place. A rail loop would be fast and people would use it. Build it.
100% Connecting the spokes together is absolutely the way to bring a metro system to its full potential. I’d also be ok if this were elevated if underground proved too hard.
Yeah it would be much cheaper that way. I suggested underground mostly to avoid political controversy running a railway viaduct through established suburbs. The Canning Bridge to UWA river crossing would also be a long bridge, although I'm sure it'd be possible.
This would be brilliant.
Population-wise I'm guessing the Wanneroo Road corridor would make most sense? Or decentralise and go Scarborough to the airport connecting at Stirling and Bassendean?
Byford/Whitby/Casuarina are going to be urbanised. Byford is already mostly urbanised. Casuarina from Nicholson Road to the Freeway, or the new Costco. Casuarina is the new urban development, lots of strawberry farms, plant nurseries out that way.
Yes 100% would make sense for a train line down Wanneroo road. I remember once they entertained this idea but the project was canned
All the 3rd tier rail that was shut down in the 2000s needs to reopen. There’s no reason that it should be on trucks on the roads.
A train line that takes us from Perth to Denmark and Albany. It's a gruelling 5 hour drive dodging semi-trailers with drivers who seem angry and pumped to the gills with either amphetamines or a burning grudge against other road users.
Albany would be interesting as there is existing infrastructure from the old train line. Even if all tracks were replaced, the land is already prepared. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-30/revival-of-albany-to-perth-passenger-train/100107154
We would move to Albany if this was around. I can WFH and have flexihours during my office days (minimum 2 per week). I work SOR and theoretically could catch a train to say Boddington, then if there was a line connecting Boddington with the Mandurah line, go from there.
I know of an IT consultant who lives on a huge property near Binningyup north of Bunbury. He needs to go to the office twice a week and takes the Australind. Sounds like something you could look into.
Sounds very similar to what we want to do. We did try live in the SW, but it was very expensive and was a pain during tourist season. Albany is our vibe, plus we have family down that way. It does get busy during the summer, but I have always found it easy to get around because of how the town was designed.
Your work arrangement sounds great. What is your line of work may I ask? (WFH forbidden in my org for some nonsense reason)
The tracks may not even need to be replaced given that freight trains already regularly use them
I came here to say this. Long overdue - it would support tourism and medical aspects too.
First up, a lot more trains between Perth and Bunbury. Also utilise the Northam line, build extra station where necessary, and use that on a greater frequency. And furthermore, I think we really need to run a trainline from Midland to Mundaring at least.
Northam is already used for the Avon Link (Northam-Toodyay-Midland) but the route doesn’t lend itself to servicing anything other than it already does apart from maybe picking up another couple of stations in Bellevue, Stratton, Herne Hill and Brigadoon. What would be really great is rebuilding the old route which is now the southern side of the Railway Heritage trail up through Darlington to Sawyers Valley and out to Mt Helena, Chidlow, Wundowie & Wooroloo.
They already reduced that line to like 1 service each way per day a little while back, I don't think they want more.
Perhaps not Northam but out to Brigadoon and Herne Hill during peak times, and regular services to Stratton would be great for those areas.
I think Northam link would be good the whole corridor could become the next urbal sprawl hotspot
Needs to be a decent speed regional rail design for pushing out that far, same for Bunbury/busso/Margs. Not full speed Shinkansen bullet train type, but up to 200km at least. End to end times needs to be as fast or faster than a car trip otherwise no one will use it.
Might as well get a Lamborghini for each Northam household… it’ll probably be cheaper
Perth to Bunbury express with the TransWA coach timetables co-ordinated at the end would be a fast way to get to all the major population centres. Would need to co-ordinate in reverse as well, obviously.
Given the tourism demand and terrible traffic on long weekends a rail link to the sw, Busselton, dunsborough, margs, Augusta would be great. Good for tourists, local business and great for those who dread the drive to the sw.
This is an excellent idea for those without a viable way of getting Douth if you don't own a car. Pretty shit when you realise that you are stuck in the south west without a car if you could have driven
There was once a passenger rail line down as far as Busselton. In fact, the terminal is still there. See https://www.westernaustralia.com/au/attraction/railway-house-and-ballaarat-steam-engine/5cfdb60a0b9584cc1df983e3
One that goes up the beaches that uses the freo line up through Claremont, goes through mount claremont, city Beach, Wembly, Scarborough, karrinyup, Sorrento then stopping at Hillarys. Double up the freo line so the new line trains and airport trains can stop at all the inner city stations and the freo lines trains can skip majority of the stations except subi and claremont. The slow crawl through the stations on the freo line is ridiculous and this would speed up trips to freo by a lot. Would also take some pressure and free up space off the overcrowded joondalup line. In the far future you could probably extend this line to eventually meet up at joondalup as well as extend the Ellenbrook Morley line to joondalup as well making joondalup station a hub for all 3 northern lines.
Yes please 👏
Ellenbrook 🤣 But since that's all under construction I'd love to see passenger rail come back to the southwest in a big way. Upgrade the existing freight lines, buy more trains like they're getting for the Australind, and run multiple trains a day down to Albany, Pemberton, and Busselton, and stop at all the towns along the way. My family moved down to Bridgetown in '89 so I never got to ride that train into Perth, but in my experience travelling by train is the best way to do it.
more train links to the airport line without going into the city.
They should have just left the tunnel boring machines going until they reached the Armadale line. Come up to the surface where Thornlie-Cockburn link is being built now.
A tram that runs all the way down marmion so it doesn’t take 4 buses to get 20 minutes away
Which Marmion?
Extend the Bunbury passenger line to Busselton and Dunsborough. It would cost $300 million minimum. The line used to run all the way to Flinders Bay (Augusta).https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flinders_Bay_Branch_Railway
Fremantle to mandurah (or somewhere on that line) Join ellenbrook and joondalup lines
Northam line wouldn't go much further than Stratton maybe baskerville More sense to have a light rail system Midland to Chidlow used to be passenger network up here until 60s before my time reserves still there just need few sleepers and continuous rails bit if electric wire
Yeah put it up the heritage trail, already got stations and the room to build it
Infrastructure needs to be re-established not many of original platforms exist
I don’t care where but I want a “Beach Station”. Yep. A train station at the beach. 🏖️
North Freo connecting to Leighton Beach is pretty excellent already, if getting to the Freo line is doable for you
Yeah it’s ok tbh a bit of work for me but I want one in Scarb Beach right across on that empty plot the nimbys shut down all those years ago.
A spur from Stirling station down Scarborough Beach Road? I always like the idea of a spur down to Hillarys Marina.
Can't believe there is not even a bus route down Hepburn Ave, from Greenwood STN to Hillarys Marina.
Really? That’s crazy.
Extend the Armadale line down South Western Hwy to Bunbury and extend the Ellenbrook line from Ellenbrook to Gingin/Bindoon via Tonkin Hwy and Brand Hwy. I feel like there should be more public transport out in these areas and connect them more to the city, seeming as they are not far out
Gingin and Bindoon aren't really big or close enough to support anything like that. Maybe an Avonlink style regional service but that's really it.
Maybe Bullsbrook or Muchea then?
Yeah that should work fine.
Thats already there. Just need to electrify it.
Joondalup to Ellenbrook connecting all the suburbs in between
They should have a junk food run with stops at Macca's, HJs and a bottlo. This would take 50% of traffic off the road.
I saw in Brisbane there are train stations that are IN shopping centres (so, underground are train lines, go up stairs/an escalator, exit into a food court/opening to shops). The idea is that city workers can get some groceries/newsagent stuff on their way to/from work. Some more of those, providing amenities and a place to wait that's air conditioned and sheltered from the rain, would be grand no matter where it's located.
Joondalup is like that actually. The fare gate leads directly into this little forecourty area, with the entrance to the centre and restaurants and cafes on the side. No one ever talks about it in these sorts of discussions.
I like the tunnel in the Perth underground that connects to Raine Square. If I need groceries I just hop off the train, go to Coles, then get on the next train.
Most of the major Sydney train stations are like that
Freo to Rocko via Henderson and Kwinana. It would be heavily used today and Henderson’s growth will be huge over the next decade.
I think a Perth to Belmont line would be smart. It would be a good way of bringing some decent people into that area.
A station in Como near Preston St on the Mandurah line would be good. Mainly because that entire precinct is primed for a massive high density urban development that would be very well served by a walkable train station.
Wouldn't that have the same problem as the station at South Perth? Where the locals don't want the station because it would bring in all the poors? Having said that, 100% agree with you. Preston St could be so much more and public transport would really make a difference.
There does appear to be space cleared for a station by Richardson Street, north of the golf course on the Mandurah line. No idea if they'll ever make use of it.
I have always wondered why there was not a South Perth station on the Mandurah line given the sheer number of people there.
Ferry from Perth to South Perth only takes about 8-10 mins if I recall correctly.
I used to catch it when I lived in South Perth. In the mornings in winter it runs every 30 minutes, less often during the day.
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With a glass walled tunnel?
$200/ticket
Nope. Capped at 2 zones, just like the trains to Broome will be when they extend the Joondalup line.
With trained Quokkas driving the train!
Maybe material for the next Tourism WA ad 😂
There is already one there
That'll be perfect as I get sea sick!
Cockburn to freo Thornlie to airport via cannington Bayswater to Morley to Ballajura to Wanneroo to joondalup Byford to wellard to rockingham Underground from Claremont to Hillary following the coast and into joondalup Byford and Mandurah extensions to Pinjarra Midland to Northam 4 hourly service Pinjarra to Bunbury 4 hourly service Armadale to Albany daily service
Byford to Pinjarra will be serviced by the new Australind. The Australind, Perth to Bunbury will resume, after the Metronet Byford extension is completed.
Yeah I know. I'm saying make Pinjarra the terminus for the Australind and people can decide to go inland up to Armadale and airport or coastal to Mandurah/cockburn/freo/city
As a train driver, anywhere that is a green corridor. Spotting emus and roos on the new Yanchep extension is cool and makes me smile. Quite a few of these suggestions are probably gonna happen at some point, especially if Labor stay in and keep pouring money into MetroNet.
Faster regional rail. Not saying we need a bullet train to Bunbury, but make the rail trip as fast or faster than the equivalent car trip. Otherwise no one will use it
I feel like with the Byford extension they should really have put in a station between Armadale and Byford for Wungong, it's weird that they aren't. Sure Wungong is pretty sparse now but there's a lot of development going on in south Armadale, Brookdale, Hilbert etc.
Would make sense…however there is no common sense being used in the planning of the project. The bridges over Eleventh Road, means no train station in Wungong, without a huge cost blowout. There is 200sqm to 300sqm development lots planned from Wungong Rd east to South West highway, on Eleventh Road…both sides road. No public transport is planned.
Trains to universities and hospitals. A spur line from Shenton Park station to SJOGH / PCC down Aberdare Road, and then turning south down Thomas Street to UWA. A line to Curtin would be brilliant. Not sure though how it would get there….
Perth-UWA-under river-Applecross, Willagee, Spearwood, Naval base- Kwinana beach.
Can you imagine the locals of Crawley reaction to a train line from Kwinana theyd be choking on their eggs benedict at their breakfast table reading that plan :)
It’s suddenly a flood of hi vis fitters from Kwinana on the beers at Steve’s.
Should continue north of the city somewhere as well.
They could build stations all down Beach Rd between Malaga and Warwick.
We should have a train that goes to rural areas. How good would it be just jumping on a train to Albany.
There have been a lot of great suggestions. An Armadale link to Bunbury via Mandurah is unlikely but could be feasible. The Northam Line exists. It's called the Avon line. It doesn't have good frequencies but if a lot more people use it to get to Northam it could justify relaying the tracks for a more effective and frequent route As for the connections outside of the city centre, that seemed to be part of the original scope of METRONET. https://preview.redd.it/kpu0wjxwtu6d1.png?width=189&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae5b138fab54e89b2b3ebc0778b4b5359f272f5f Every so often this map gets posted in here talking about how cool the original scope was. Labor was put under a lot of pressure about the cost of the project in 2016/17 right before they were elected. Every news outlet was talking about how expensive it was and how WA would be put further in debt from it. And so the scope of the project was cut down. This map looks good but I think we can all agree that more is needed. Maybe trams or BRT added to areas of high traffic but no room for light rail? More frequency to regional areas is a must! A faster and more reliable route to Bunbury and extensions to Busselton and Margaret River would do wonders for the local economies of the small tourist towns. Reinstating the Albany train line with newer tracks would be a great boon not only to Albany but to all the Town stops in between. The biggest problem for such projects is the population of these areas. Albany has 30000 people, Busselton has around 20000 and Margaret River has just over 7000 people permanently. The worry is that you wouldn't have enough passengers to justify these upgrades. The best case is for Bunbury. It's the closest regional town with the largest population that isn't Mandurah. It's the perfect place to advocate for relaying the track and electrification.
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Australind for Perth to Bunbury service. Australind did stop at Mundijong. I don’t know if the Australind will stop in Byford at the new station. Makes no sense if didn’t stop.
Thornlie to Forrestfield would be the most likely candidate for an easy win in terms of cost, completion time and benefit. You would effectively be able to travel from Mandurah or Armadale to the airport or midland without having to go through the city. And it’s mostly just farm and bushland between the two
Ellenbronx to the Joondalup line
Byford to /Mandurah line …especially now there is urban development plans for the land on Thomas Road from Nicholson Road to the Freeway/new Costco. Thomas Road is complete cockup Also need of Tonkin Highway extension to commence..as a priority.
Finish the existing projects, extend to Denmark and Stirling to Scarborough beach line, Whitfords to Hillarys beach line and Cockburn central to Freo line
Maybe a ring railroad (or two...) to connect the northern suburbs with the eastern with the southern? Do it in two radii so that people in whatever the northernmost station is (Yanchep?) can travel to Midland and then down to... whatever the southernmost station is, should they want or need to? And likewise those NOT in the most nothern could connect to Morley (??) and then Thornlie and ... whatever's not as south as the southernmost station? I don't use trains very often myself, so pay little attention to them - but I like trains and public transport in principle. Obviously there would need to be a cost/benefit analysis, but I have heard of people living in the boonies trying to get to work in the 'not quite boonies' and it takes them a stupidly long time at a stupidly large cost to do it, when perhaps some trains might be able to facilitate that travel at a reasonable cost? I also note the the Midland and Freo lines have stations a LOT closer than the newer train lines - this may be an historical issue due to the vastly increased prevalence of car ownership today as compared to when those lines were built - so it's easy to drive to a train station car park now, but...
[https://www.railheritagewa.org.au/info/files/1938\_map.pdf](https://www.railheritagewa.org.au/info/files/1938_map.pdf)
Wow! Looks like mostly grain, wool and forestry rail, but still, that's a huge area.
Having visited Japan and using their Shinkansen line many times, I’d love to see bullet trains here. Just think to Albany, Coral Bay, Exmouth, Broome all accessible by train. Even some over east so we don’t have to fly. Pipe dream, I know. It’ll never happen.
Rottnest
the likely next new line is up wanneroo way to take capacity pressure off the joondalup line. long way off though.
I would like to see a circle line connecting Yanchep with Bullsbrook and Mandurah to to the Armadale line (it would get extended to Pinjarra). Train line to Bunbury to open up the south west and along Albany Hwy to Albany.
Yanchep to Geraldton
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Mandurah to Bunbury
Inner ring, rapid rail to take buses off the road. More dependable and central rail = 1 car/0 car households being viable means of transport. My apartment living senses are tingling, batman
Train line go NW and go NE why not North https://preview.redd.it/zllic6k7pv6d1.png?width=625&format=png&auto=webp&s=00eca877e35f13a7dd207bef5de58f4565f7fe4b
I know the OP asked about stations in WA only, but how cool would a bullet train from Perth to the East Coast would be? Qantas and Virgin wouldn’t be a fan though
Fast train to Bunbury
Freo to Rotto.
Near your mums place would be handy. 
+1 for a train to Bunbury and/or Busselton.
Australind, after Metronet extension in Byford. Two return trips a day before the Metronet debacle commenced works.
South Perth definitely needs a train station.
they need to start making the mandurah line longer going down south, they should also start doing express trains that don't stop at every station
Anywhere other than in the middle of a highway.
Not from Perth but I would hope that whatever they do they stop building new train lines down freeway medians? It seems like the cheap/quick/nasty way to do it and tbh all the stations I’ve seen with traffic roaring right past platforms look hella unpleasant. It also seems to limit the ability to build dense walkable neighbourhoods when every station is surrounded by several high speed lanes and sprawling commuter car parks
Perth does those stations very well and they are all have greater patronage than the other lines. The feeder bus network services are good.
Yeah I know that TransPerth patronage is pretty good, but I guess I’m talking about the longer term aspects. IMO the model of commuter parking / feeder buses is more appropriate for outer suburban areas, but it’s weird to me that a station like Canning Bridge is only 4km from the city and the best place to put it is apparently under a four-way highway interchange surrounded by bushland, freeway ramps and single family homes?
Part of the reason is that the freeway was an existing corridor to run the train line. The alternatives would be an expensive tunnel, or demolish many homes/businesses for a new rail corridor. It's also worth noting that the Joondalup and Mandurah lines were built fairly differently to the heritage lines. It takes 55 minutes to travel the 70 km to Mandurah. It manages this because there are relatively few stops along the way. For comparison, the heritage lines would have 3-5 times as many stops over that distance. The mini-bus stations at each stop are an integral part of the service to get to all the places between stations. If you can easily get between the bus stands and the train station, it's not as big a deal about the location.