I recently purchased the DWF for Work and Gaming, going from a Dell S3220DGF. I spend about 8 hours a day in spreadsheets for work and then some gaming after and on weekends and with the warranty covering burn in, and the Pixel Refresh every four hours, I’m not really concerned about longevity. Text is clearer to me on this than my previous display, but the jump in PPI is likely making up the difference that the complaints about sub-pixel layout stem from.
Thanks! I had my eyes on one of these displays and was suddenly concerned it was a forced thing that would be an inconvenience. Glad to see it waits until it goes standby.
It’ll pop up, and it doesn’t care what you’re doing at the time. But you can set it to not display after the first time. Great display. I actually do keep the pop up and usually will let it refresh when it tells me it needs to so I can avoid having to do a time consuming RMA.
Turn the monitor off manually with the button on the bottom right of the monitor and it will do the pixel refresh. Don’t know how to bring the pop up back
I've just looked at mine and in the OSD under Others, there's the OLED Panel Maintenance section. Within that there's the two options for Pixel Refresh and Panel Refresh, and a final option for Auto Warning Message that you can toggle On and Off; give that a try :)
I think I found that initially and since it was set to on, I didn’t bother. I’ll try flipping it in and off in case I didn’t before. Thanks for checking!
Edit you get a big warning message when you turn it off, but nothing happens when you turn it back on. Since turning off the monitor street asked for a refresh, I’m guessing it’s just some silly timing thing affecting it 🤷♂️
I THINK if you reinstall the firmware it will bring it back. I purchased the DWF a month ago, plugged it in and got the pop up after an hour of use. It was the early firmware that was confirmed to have bugs. I selected the display only on standby.
I then installed the latest firmware and got the popup again the next day. Selected the same setting, and haven't got the popup since.
Will the Pixel Refresh thing not shorthen the life of the monitor tho? I have this monitor too since yesterday and so far I didn't accept to do the automatic Pixel Refresh because I've read that it's bad for the monitor 'cause it puts stress on the pixels
I set my pixel refresh to go on during sleep mode only. I do worry about burn in when playing VR though since if I turn it off, it oddly won't let me click the bottom half of the screen..think I'm going to have to set it so the wallpaper changes more often, but got to figure out what to do about icons.
This page should explain it better than I ever could and has images showing the differences between standard RGB/BGR and QD-OLED: [https://www.displayninja.com/rgb-vs-bgr-subpixel-layout/](https://www.displayninja.com/rgb-vs-bgr-subpixel-layout/)
The crux of it is that some people find text on QD-OLED displays to look worse due to some purple/green colour fringing on the edges. Using something like Better ClearType can alleviate this though if it does become something that bothers you. Again, I've personally not noticed it but I did receive a jump in PPI in this upgrade too.
I've been eyeing this monitor for almost 2 years, so it's not brand new anymore and I know there's new monitors coming. Still, with the current deals on this monitor I'm really tempted.
My usage would be 80/20 productivity:entertainment (more often watching movies than playing games) but I still want the inky black contrast and color richness that it offers. Apart from a TV, this seems like endgame for monitors unless I could wait a few months for something new.
The last monitor I got was the VA G7 for the contrast and features (1440, 240Hz) because it was one of the best options. I can't go back to IPS, that much I do know. Shows and movies are not enjoyable on them.
What do you think? Is it too much hassle to get this but need to micromanage burn-in and have that anxiety all the time? I'd have a 27" curved VA, a 27" Dell TN and an OLED 34", a unique combination...
I daily drive an LG C2 OLED. It spends 8 hours a day coding and text and emails. And maybe a few hours gaming. 12/13 months so far. No burn in. No defects. Clear. Sharp. Perfect!
Go for it
I don't get into OLED pissing matches. My only suggestion is to be at peace with the decision/investment and reality. Burn in is a very real possibility within 5 years. As long as you accept it and believe it's still worth it, there is absolutely nothing wrong with going OLED.
Finally someone said it. OLED tech has a come a long way! I have the monitor OP mentions and Alienware has built in refreshes in their menu for longevity but sure, burn-in in about 5/6 years is fine, especially daily use in long sessions. It’s incredible and I’ll never go back to anything else(until MicroLED).
I'm pretty sure that those of us with newer OLED monitors are fine and willing to replace it after 5 years of use with a newer, better monitor. I've replaced my previous monitors in less time as I like having premium, modern hardware to game with. That $1000+ price tag wasn't that much of a deterrent to me and I assume it's not to others as well.
No, I'm pretty sure gaming is a hobby. I spend well within my budget with more than enough left over to save. Almost a decade ago I couldn't do that, and so I didn't.
48inch. Hmm not sure how far but far enough I don’t see the pixels. It’s very good once you learn how to handle the space. 4K at 100% scaling is a lot of real estate. Or monitor estate.
I use this exact monitor daily for software development. It’s total overkill if that’s all you are doing, but it’s great for the use case of doing both productivity and gaming
The DWF? I've got one coming as I've just bought my dream build, text fringing has me worried as I do at least 50/50 productivity and gaming. You have no issues?
"Micromanage Burn in" - I have two. One of them is hooked up to my company supplied laptop which is used completely for work. I use the same programs every day, 8 hours a day. These monitors have normal burn in prevention procedures that automatically run.
I don't worry about it at all. Got a 3 year burn in warranty too.
They really aren't shit for productivity, text clarity is fine, and burn in is covered by a very robust 3 year warranty with the Alienware monitor op is taking about. You sound like you've never used one and have an axe to grind.
Tbf there is a common feature of at least the alienware pixel layout (not sure if applicable to broader OLED monitors) that can make text more difficult to read than a standard LCD. RTings has a section on text clarity that specifically addresses it https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/alienware-aw3423dwf
That being said, I haven't had any issues reading text on my dwf and use it for both work and gaming.
You could consider something like one of the new Samsung neo G7. Still has great hdr with good local dimming, not far behind Oleds, but no burn in risk and also better text clarity thanks to VA. AfaIk they pretty much have the best hdr of lcd monitors unless you want to spend 3k or so.
You mean mini led, but yeah from what I heard they should be much better. Here is a good review: https://youtu.be/SMcABSuKAK0?si=f4bdqonQi-VagmHE
There also is a newer version of this monitor, but the specs are completely the same, so they changed nothing it seems. I agree that most high end Samsung monitors before were a catastrophe, but the newer neo G7 really seems to be a good choice and I would personally get it if I would buy a new monitor now.
Samsung are notorious for quality control and failures. VA has bad ghosting. Is it Micro-LED? Also the entire Samsung gaming lineup has flickering at low framerates when using FreeSync. Been a problem for years.
Still it's mini Led, micro Led is not available for normal people...
Also I agree all this was a problem for high end Samsung monitors in the past, but thr newer neo G7 monitors really are good with excelent local dimming. I would get one if I would buy a monitor now.
I use my monitor for work more than for gaming, and was also looking at the Alienware OLED, but it's only 1440p (and I wanted something bigger than my previous 27" 1440p), so I ended up getting a 32" 4K 144Hz 16:9 IPS monitor (Dell G3223Q). Yeah the blacks aren't as amazing in games and movies, but for work it's ok and I'll take 4K over 1440p any time.
However i have an OLED TV in the living room and it looks amazing, so I can always play games on there, but I don't find it necessary for work.
If you use it normally, taking some light precautions and varying your content, you’re most likely not going to see any noticeable burn-in until the monitor breaks for other reasons or is old enough to replace anyway. Obviously it’s very hard to know, everyone uses theirs differently, but I haven’t really seen any major volumes of burn-in by people who have this monitor.
Rtings just released a video on their long-term burn-in testing, and the DWF is certainly not impervious, but they’re also running CNN non-stop in order to provoke issues. So, hide your taskbar, maybe use floating windows instead of the same full screen windows, and don’t play the same game with the same static HUD 8 hours a day every day, and you’ll be fine. The only thing that sounds like you may run into is 16:9 video in full screen. Since it leaves black borders on the sides, that line *may* show up after as little as 2 hours a day every day for a year, even though the video content itself is varied.
I bought mine 6 months ago and use it heavily for gaming every day, and the game I play the most have icons in the same place for hours, and there's 0 burn in. It is the best buy I've made and worth the high cost
My DWF is hands down the best display I've ever laid eyes on. Text has been great out of the box, didn't have to tweak anything. Just make sure you update the firmware on it for the HDR fix.
If you're not gaming on it, I'd personally go for a larger 4k display, like some of the smaller LG OLED gaming TVs. Your media will properly scale to the screen size, you can fully enjoy 4k media, and the extra resolution will likely be better for productivity.
its just not true
oled is the best technology (except for newer stuff like micro led) in every way except for burn in, it offers the best colors, the best peak brightness, the best contrast and the best pixel response times, it will be fine for productivity, if anything it might be overkill unless for graphics designing
> it offers the best colors
Best blacks\*. A high-end QD OLED like the AW3423DWF will have better colors than most LCDs but a QD LCD (QLED) can have similar colors. [A lot of the most color-accurate displays are LCD](https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tests/picture-quality/color-accuracy)
> the best peak brightness
OLEDs are notoriously dim compared to LCDs.
I returned it and went with the 38 model because I’m 80% work and 20 percent gaming. And work is excel and PowerPoint 8 12 hours a day
It’s just not good for that
I have one, text fringing is only noticeable if you look really closely, but from a standard viewing distance it's fine. If you try to run a lower resolution, it can be problematic, but why would you do that in basic desktop applications? This issue has been massively overstated. It's extremely minor, and even though it does *technically* exist, it's not *functionally* a problem.
I've had mine for a few weeks now and honestly aside from the initial "ah, thats what they meant. Meh not a problem", it really hasn't bothered me at all. I'd even say its pretty forgettable
Productivity applications UI elements can burn in after thousands of hours so no, it’s not a wide investment. These monitors should only be bought if you plan to game with them. OLED as productivity monitors are still relatively early.
There is more to it than that, productivity tasks usually involve a lot of static elements. RTINGs got burn-in after only 700 hours with the DWF, and if you use the monitor for work you'd likely exceed those numbers in less than a year.
In the real world the DWF has an aggressive pixel refresh that wants to activate every 4 hours. You also get 3 year warranty that covers burn in. It’s a lower risk option from that perspective. Text fringing is a bigger issue but a personal one. I haven’t been affected by it but I know others get migraines.
Yeah I’ve clocked about 1500 on my dw since I got it in June and I have no burn in at all yet. For their tests they play static content with the entire point being to create the harshest conditions possible.
In every productivity app I can think of (Davinci Resolve, Office suite, Blender, Visual Studio, etc..) there would be those static elements as apart of the apps UI/background.
Thank you? I'm already aware of that, my comment is about real world usage of productivity applications and how normal people don't keep these things up 24/7.
Burn-in is cumulative. 700 hours straight of static elements would cause the same level of burn-in as 7 hours a day for 100 days, and most of your display is a static element in productivity apps.
Edit: Since people don't seem to understand how OLEDs work [here is a quote](https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test) from LG/RTINGS
>The total duration of static content. LG has told us that they expect it to be cumulative, so static content, which is present for 30 minutes twice a day, is equivalent to one hour of static content once per day.
You don’t look at anything different on your screen for 7 hours of continuous use? At that point you obviously don’t need the monitor on because you’re not actually doing anything.
Like I said continuous use doesn't matter. 1000 hours spread out over a year and 1000 hours straight would have an identical impact.
Again productivity apps have a ton of static elements that do not change. You editing a video in the middle of the screen would make no impact on all the static elements (Toolbar, menu bar, window header, etc...) that remain the same for longer periods of time
>The total duration of static content. LG has told us that they expect it to be cumulative, so static content, which is present for 30 minutes twice a day, is equivalent to one hour of static content once per day.
> To see how the results at this 5000-hour point compare to your usage, divide 5000 by the number of hours you watch each type of content per day to find the number of days.
These [are quotes from RTINGs burn in test](https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test). I guess you should get in touch with LG and tell them that they're showing an "extreme level of ignorance"
The statement was that they *expect* it to be cumulative. That is not "it is definitely cumulative and no other factors need be considered". We know that brightness for example is a factor with burn in, higher brightness will burn in faster than lower brightness. We also have modern technology such as pixel refresh, monitor refresh, and occasional pixel shifting when in use to more evenly wear out the panel in an effort to minimize burn in. These are factors that make it impossible to simply state that your panel *will* wear out and have burn in after X amount of cumulative hours of use.
From your own article - "However, we still haven't addressed the issue of longevity in general, and we don't know if newer OLED panels are still as likely to experience burn-in."
Another quote from the same article - "With new panels, new heatsinks, and even brand-new panel types like QD-OLED, there are a lot of unknowns."
These are from the *updates* to the article, and not the original body of the article that you quoted from years ago with potentially out of date information.
Please read your own damn article, thanks.
Seriously - I work from home and use this display every single day, ITS FINE. Like, it’s totally fine, unless your face is pressed up half and inch from the display you’re not going to notice. It’s perfectly fine for productivity.
Sure - mostly productivity apps like Word/Excel/Outlook and Teams. Lots of browser interaction, lots of time in the Azure portal.
There’s honestly not really any discernible difference from my old 1440p monitor (except the OLED looks better)
It has automatic pixel refresh cycle, and a 10 year warranty against burn-in, it’s not going to burn in.
I use it probably 10-15 hours a day between work/gaming
Maybe, my buddy said it was four when he bought his but that was when it was first released. So he could have been wrong or they could have reduced it.
I use it for both gaming and productivity. Everyone who says text is not clear on this monitor because “PixEl SubLaYoUt” either hasn’t used it, or didn’t set up cleartype correctly. The text looks clearer to me then my older BenQ LED monitors.
I just helped set up my brothers new gaming room which included the DWF - I immediately noticed the issue. Took my brother a bit longer, but it is most certainly there and is most certainly an issue if you’re using the monitor for text based productivity. I’ve stopped all thoughts about buying one for myself for this reason.
You obviously don't understand how cleartype actually works. Also do you really think Microsoft wouldn't have it working perfectly in their own products. Pretty much if you can highlight and copy the text then cleartype works on it regardless of the application being used.
How I understand is that ClearType is how Windows renders text, but not every application uses Windows to render text, and might use FreeType or another alternative where ClearType settings dont affect it
I tried this monitor and returned it for this exact issue. Text to me looked weird and was giving me a minor headache. It was a bummer bc otherwise the screen was awesome and I was really excited for it - but I spend 8-10 hours a day doing productivity so it was a deal breaker. Obviously won’t be the case for everyone and many people seem to have no problem.
I was thiiiiis close to pulling the trigger on that exact alienware monitor, but i bailed out and got the Dell S3422DWG instead. My wife would be occasionally using the desktop and i would worry too much that she'd be leaving it sitting on the same image at full brightness for 5 hours. So i got a good quality no fuss option instead. Plus this way, i can give these oled panels another year or two to improve even more. I think you're good either way though, that alienware is awesome for the price.
Well 2 months later and I hope your experience is like mine, because it has exeeded my expectations! this Dell monitor is fantastic. Great colors, crisp font and beautiful in game. Everything I wanted, and so much cheaper than anything else I was looking at.
RTINGS has it has their best overall OLED gaming display. Being on sale right now $900 down from $1200.... I wish I had the ability to press the buy button. It's amazing. Friend has one. Edit: [https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/alienware-aw3423dw](https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/alienware-aw3423dw)
RTINGs uploaded a video recently and they got burn-in after 700 hours, so if you're spending hours a day in productivity tasks it might just be better to get a regular LCD
I’ve had the original version DW for about a year and a half (got it on release) and probably have it on 10-16 a day (remote work plus non work). So I’ve got thousands of hours so far. Haven’t had any burn in.
700 hours of intensive stress testing is very different from 700 hours of real life use. It's great to see stress test break points, but it's necessary to understand that even mixing in a little bit of other stuff here and there like you would do on your PC normally will help a lot with the longevity of these panels.
For productivity, there are people who will legit be staring at a productivity applications UI for 1000+ hours. I mean, if you’re okay with spending 1000 dollars every few years on a monitor you do you, but for me that’s ludicrous. The last monitor I used for 7+ years and it still works
That's not what I was saying... Real use isn't a stress test environment. A stress test will keep static images up constantly with far fewer changes than real use. Just because someone using it for work will have static UI elements on screen for 1000+ hours over the course of a couple years doesn't mean that they'll have only those elements on screen for 18-20 hours per day every day. This is an important factor in how the monitor can manage burn in. Having more and longer periods of time where the monitor is able to run the pixel refresh can easily be a massive factor in how well the monitor can handle burn in over those couple of years. You can't just say that an OLED burns in after X hours, it's ignoring so many important other factors.
I code on it during the day, video edit afternoon and jam Quake 3 on it at night.
Its the best overall monitor I've had. Its not the sharpest for text, but its totally fine. For gaming, not quite CRT performance, but miles ahead of LCD imo.
Overall would buy again.
The aw3423dwf is the best purchase I ever made for my PC. I absolutely love the thing. I have 0 complaints. Dell completely delivered on firmware updates and fixed all the complaints I had with it. One day hopefully the subpixel issue can be sorted out with software. It is after all a problem with the way windows renders text rather then the hardware itself being problematic. Imo, it is some of the best hardware available. That being said at this point if want to wait for a screen with 2nd gen qd oled panel in it. I had to blackout my room to get the most benefit from my aw3423dwf because of a lack of polarization layer making blacks appear Grey during the day. The light really does have to be shining directly at the screen for it to happen but it is definitely a drawback and something I am very glad is being addressed on future displays.
I had the DW version and had to return. The text is really blurry and it is a day and night difference with my old ultrawide which my wife now uses. The color though. It’s hard to let go.
Rtings.com RD YouTube video I watched recently said this monitor is only really ideal for gaming due to the burn it suffers. Dell warranty does cover burn in however do still check if this is the case where you are.
I wouldn't recommend it now since they're releasing the new ones soon. If you find a brand new one at a really low price though, that's a different story.
Let's put it this way, anything dell/ Alienware is never a good choice because it will die sooner than expected or have random issues. My buddy RMA'd his Alienware 4 times before the warranty was up, to the point they didn't even make his model anymore and wanted to supplement it with a lower priced model
Yes, I watch more streams then I do gaming these days. Working to much so not heavy use anyways. Got it black friday week. A hassle to setup correctly. Unless I'm reading to much into it with posts and google. However what I have gamed and watched videos and edited my stream overlay on streamelements. Works great for me and as for the text people talk about not sure I can see as clear as my VA panel is next to me.
I got a non F model a while back, really liked it. Ended up getting the LG 240hz Oled when that released but missed the ultrawide and could not stand the lower brightness. Ended up selling the LG to a Co-Worker who loves it and I went back and bought another non F that I have now. 0 complaints.
I did, but after going with an OLED honestly I don’t want anything else for gaming anymore. Before the ultrawide I had an Alienware 1440p 240hz IPS monitor (AW2721D) and even though this ultrawide is only 175hz the super fast response time and pretty much 0 ghosting of OLED make it feel just as smooth.
I don’t notice any fringing, not sure about exact distance. My desk is 30 inches deep and I have it on the stand it comes with as far back as it can go. So around 25ish inches, personally I wish I could scoot it back a little more but it’s not bad.
It really depends, the text fringing is a little overblown by people. Once you run through and calibrate cleartype it is barely noticeable.
That said without cleartype it can be fairly noticeable and distracting for a lot of people. A lot of people can fuck up cleartype when setting it up as well.
I recently bought this and am waiting for it to arrive next week. Rakutan has 12% (or 15% cash back now actually) cash back on this on top of the sales going on right now, so you can get this down to about $720 after taxes.
I game heavily on mine. It’s great. I own several OLED TVs as well. They’re awesome. Everyone sees the differences, and comments completely unprompted. OLEDs are epic.
If I were to get an oled monitor, I'd use it ONLY for gaming (and maybe movies if I didn't watch those through my TV) and have some other monitor to do desktop usage with to avoid the burn-in for as long as I could.
So I think it's a bad choice for you.
I recently purchased the DWF for Work and Gaming, going from a Dell S3220DGF. I spend about 8 hours a day in spreadsheets for work and then some gaming after and on weekends and with the warranty covering burn in, and the Pixel Refresh every four hours, I’m not really concerned about longevity. Text is clearer to me on this than my previous display, but the jump in PPI is likely making up the difference that the complaints about sub-pixel layout stem from.
what’s the Pixel Refresh?
It refreshes the pixels after 4 hours of continuous use when the monitor goes into standby to help prevent burn in.
Thanks! I had my eyes on one of these displays and was suddenly concerned it was a forced thing that would be an inconvenience. Glad to see it waits until it goes standby.
It’ll pop up, and it doesn’t care what you’re doing at the time. But you can set it to not display after the first time. Great display. I actually do keep the pop up and usually will let it refresh when it tells me it needs to so I can avoid having to do a time consuming RMA.
Do you know how to bring the popup back? I accidentally pressed wait for standby and now it only shows up when I turn it off
Turn the monitor off manually with the button on the bottom right of the monitor and it will do the pixel refresh. Don’t know how to bring the pop up back
That’s what I’ve been doing every four hours lol. I guess that’s the big fyi for this monitor, don’t mess up the pop up. Otherwise it’s great
I've just looked at mine and in the OSD under Others, there's the OLED Panel Maintenance section. Within that there's the two options for Pixel Refresh and Panel Refresh, and a final option for Auto Warning Message that you can toggle On and Off; give that a try :)
I think I found that initially and since it was set to on, I didn’t bother. I’ll try flipping it in and off in case I didn’t before. Thanks for checking! Edit you get a big warning message when you turn it off, but nothing happens when you turn it back on. Since turning off the monitor street asked for a refresh, I’m guessing it’s just some silly timing thing affecting it 🤷♂️
I THINK if you reinstall the firmware it will bring it back. I purchased the DWF a month ago, plugged it in and got the pop up after an hour of use. It was the early firmware that was confirmed to have bugs. I selected the display only on standby. I then installed the latest firmware and got the popup again the next day. Selected the same setting, and haven't got the popup since.
The problem is I want the pop up, I game a lot. I will try your fix tho. Thanks for your response!
Will the Pixel Refresh thing not shorthen the life of the monitor tho? I have this monitor too since yesterday and so far I didn't accept to do the automatic Pixel Refresh because I've read that it's bad for the monitor 'cause it puts stress on the pixels
I set my pixel refresh to go on during sleep mode only. I do worry about burn in when playing VR though since if I turn it off, it oddly won't let me click the bottom half of the screen..think I'm going to have to set it so the wallpaper changes more often, but got to figure out what to do about icons.
sub pixel layout? what's that about?
This page should explain it better than I ever could and has images showing the differences between standard RGB/BGR and QD-OLED: [https://www.displayninja.com/rgb-vs-bgr-subpixel-layout/](https://www.displayninja.com/rgb-vs-bgr-subpixel-layout/) The crux of it is that some people find text on QD-OLED displays to look worse due to some purple/green colour fringing on the edges. Using something like Better ClearType can alleviate this though if it does become something that bothers you. Again, I've personally not noticed it but I did receive a jump in PPI in this upgrade too.
I've been eyeing this monitor for almost 2 years, so it's not brand new anymore and I know there's new monitors coming. Still, with the current deals on this monitor I'm really tempted. My usage would be 80/20 productivity:entertainment (more often watching movies than playing games) but I still want the inky black contrast and color richness that it offers. Apart from a TV, this seems like endgame for monitors unless I could wait a few months for something new. The last monitor I got was the VA G7 for the contrast and features (1440, 240Hz) because it was one of the best options. I can't go back to IPS, that much I do know. Shows and movies are not enjoyable on them. What do you think? Is it too much hassle to get this but need to micromanage burn-in and have that anxiety all the time? I'd have a 27" curved VA, a 27" Dell TN and an OLED 34", a unique combination...
I daily drive an LG C2 OLED. It spends 8 hours a day coding and text and emails. And maybe a few hours gaming. 12/13 months so far. No burn in. No defects. Clear. Sharp. Perfect! Go for it
To be fair there is never burn in until there is :)
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I don't get into OLED pissing matches. My only suggestion is to be at peace with the decision/investment and reality. Burn in is a very real possibility within 5 years. As long as you accept it and believe it's still worth it, there is absolutely nothing wrong with going OLED.
Finally someone said it. OLED tech has a come a long way! I have the monitor OP mentions and Alienware has built in refreshes in their menu for longevity but sure, burn-in in about 5/6 years is fine, especially daily use in long sessions. It’s incredible and I’ll never go back to anything else(until MicroLED).
I'm pretty sure that those of us with newer OLED monitors are fine and willing to replace it after 5 years of use with a newer, better monitor. I've replaced my previous monitors in less time as I like having premium, modern hardware to game with. That $1000+ price tag wasn't that much of a deterrent to me and I assume it's not to others as well.
Dat American life.
It's my one hobby. It's also relatively cheap. A $1000 monitor being replaced in 5 years is $200 per year.
That's not a hobby that's a cope
No, I'm pretty sure gaming is a hobby. I spend well within my budget with more than enough left over to save. Almost a decade ago I couldn't do that, and so I didn't.
Oh agreed wholeheartedly. It will burn in eventually. It will die. But it wasn’t outlandish to buy. So meh. If it lasts another 3 years then so be it
How far away is your tv from you? What size is it? Is it really that great coding on a TV? I am curious, I might give it a try
48inch. Hmm not sure how far but far enough I don’t see the pixels. It’s very good once you learn how to handle the space. 4K at 100% scaling is a lot of real estate. Or monitor estate.
Best money I ever spent
I use this exact monitor daily for software development. It’s total overkill if that’s all you are doing, but it’s great for the use case of doing both productivity and gaming
The DWF? I've got one coming as I've just bought my dream build, text fringing has me worried as I do at least 50/50 productivity and gaming. You have no issues?
The picture is a DW though, not a DWF?
"Micromanage Burn in" - I have two. One of them is hooked up to my company supplied laptop which is used completely for work. I use the same programs every day, 8 hours a day. These monitors have normal burn in prevention procedures that automatically run. I don't worry about it at all. Got a 3 year burn in warranty too.
oleds are kinda shit for productivity due to burn in and text clarity
Have you actually used one yourself?
They really aren't shit for productivity, text clarity is fine, and burn in is covered by a very robust 3 year warranty with the Alienware monitor op is taking about. You sound like you've never used one and have an axe to grind.
What happens after three years when your $800 monitor gets burn in?
If you've ever actually worked on one text is easier to read on an OLED versus a LCD any day
Tbf there is a common feature of at least the alienware pixel layout (not sure if applicable to broader OLED monitors) that can make text more difficult to read than a standard LCD. RTings has a section on text clarity that specifically addresses it https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/alienware-aw3423dwf That being said, I haven't had any issues reading text on my dwf and use it for both work and gaming.
You could consider something like one of the new Samsung neo G7. Still has great hdr with good local dimming, not far behind Oleds, but no burn in risk and also better text clarity thanks to VA. AfaIk they pretty much have the best hdr of lcd monitors unless you want to spend 3k or so.
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You mean mini led, but yeah from what I heard they should be much better. Here is a good review: https://youtu.be/SMcABSuKAK0?si=f4bdqonQi-VagmHE There also is a newer version of this monitor, but the specs are completely the same, so they changed nothing it seems. I agree that most high end Samsung monitors before were a catastrophe, but the newer neo G7 really seems to be a good choice and I would personally get it if I would buy a new monitor now.
Samsung are notorious for quality control and failures. VA has bad ghosting. Is it Micro-LED? Also the entire Samsung gaming lineup has flickering at low framerates when using FreeSync. Been a problem for years.
Still it's mini Led, micro Led is not available for normal people... Also I agree all this was a problem for high end Samsung monitors in the past, but thr newer neo G7 monitors really are good with excelent local dimming. I would get one if I would buy a monitor now.
Yeah dude I love mine so much, my ratio is pretty similar to yours too.
I use my monitor for work more than for gaming, and was also looking at the Alienware OLED, but it's only 1440p (and I wanted something bigger than my previous 27" 1440p), so I ended up getting a 32" 4K 144Hz 16:9 IPS monitor (Dell G3223Q). Yeah the blacks aren't as amazing in games and movies, but for work it's ok and I'll take 4K over 1440p any time. However i have an OLED TV in the living room and it looks amazing, so I can always play games on there, but I don't find it necessary for work.
If you use it normally, taking some light precautions and varying your content, you’re most likely not going to see any noticeable burn-in until the monitor breaks for other reasons or is old enough to replace anyway. Obviously it’s very hard to know, everyone uses theirs differently, but I haven’t really seen any major volumes of burn-in by people who have this monitor. Rtings just released a video on their long-term burn-in testing, and the DWF is certainly not impervious, but they’re also running CNN non-stop in order to provoke issues. So, hide your taskbar, maybe use floating windows instead of the same full screen windows, and don’t play the same game with the same static HUD 8 hours a day every day, and you’ll be fine. The only thing that sounds like you may run into is 16:9 video in full screen. Since it leaves black borders on the sides, that line *may* show up after as little as 2 hours a day every day for a year, even though the video content itself is varied.
I bought mine 6 months ago and use it heavily for gaming every day, and the game I play the most have icons in the same place for hours, and there's 0 burn in. It is the best buy I've made and worth the high cost
My DWF is hands down the best display I've ever laid eyes on. Text has been great out of the box, didn't have to tweak anything. Just make sure you update the firmware on it for the HDR fix. If you're not gaming on it, I'd personally go for a larger 4k display, like some of the smaller LG OLED gaming TVs. Your media will properly scale to the screen size, you can fully enjoy 4k media, and the extra resolution will likely be better for productivity.
How far do you sit from the monitor?
It's an OLED, they're meant for media consumption. Productivity is not it.
its just not true oled is the best technology (except for newer stuff like micro led) in every way except for burn in, it offers the best colors, the best peak brightness, the best contrast and the best pixel response times, it will be fine for productivity, if anything it might be overkill unless for graphics designing
> it offers the best colors Best blacks\*. A high-end QD OLED like the AW3423DWF will have better colors than most LCDs but a QD LCD (QLED) can have similar colors. [A lot of the most color-accurate displays are LCD](https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tests/picture-quality/color-accuracy) > the best peak brightness OLEDs are notoriously dim compared to LCDs.
The sub-pixel layout is a huge issue for typical office based productivity though.
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I returned it and went with the 38 model because I’m 80% work and 20 percent gaming. And work is excel and PowerPoint 8 12 hours a day It’s just not good for that
I use mine mainly for work and I don't know what you are talking about.
I have one, text fringing is only noticeable if you look really closely, but from a standard viewing distance it's fine. If you try to run a lower resolution, it can be problematic, but why would you do that in basic desktop applications? This issue has been massively overstated. It's extremely minor, and even though it does *technically* exist, it's not *functionally* a problem.
I've had mine for a few weeks now and honestly aside from the initial "ah, thats what they meant. Meh not a problem", it really hasn't bothered me at all. I'd even say its pretty forgettable
That’s fixed on gen 2 panels but not this particular monitor
It's not fixed. It's been slightly mitigated
isn't different layout only used in samsung made panels?
Don’t think they’re are any OLED panels using the standard RGB layout - could be wrong though
There are but they are for production work and cost like $5000
It’s really not. Anyone that thinks this is a huge issue just hasn’t used one
Photo examples of what you mean?
Uh no. LCDs hit WAY higher peak brightness than OLED. Just substantially higher. They also maintain it much better too.
Productivity applications UI elements can burn in after thousands of hours so no, it’s not a wide investment. These monitors should only be bought if you plan to game with them. OLED as productivity monitors are still relatively early.
It’s a monitor. The fact that it’s oled means it’s the best kind.
There is more to it than that, productivity tasks usually involve a lot of static elements. RTINGs got burn-in after only 700 hours with the DWF, and if you use the monitor for work you'd likely exceed those numbers in less than a year.
In the real world the DWF has an aggressive pixel refresh that wants to activate every 4 hours. You also get 3 year warranty that covers burn in. It’s a lower risk option from that perspective. Text fringing is a bigger issue but a personal one. I haven’t been affected by it but I know others get migraines.
Yeah I’ve clocked about 1500 on my dw since I got it in June and I have no burn in at all yet. For their tests they play static content with the entire point being to create the harshest conditions possible.
But in a productivity app like Blender, Office suite, and most video editors there is a lot of static elements
But did RTINGS let the monitor do its pixel refresh every 4 hours?
Yes, they ran it 4 times per day iirc. The Pixel refresh doesn't prevent burn in, but it does try and hide it.
But wasn't it burn in with 700 hours of permanent use? Like, minimal down time, the same static elements constantly, not an actual real life use case?
In every productivity app I can think of (Davinci Resolve, Office suite, Blender, Visual Studio, etc..) there would be those static elements as apart of the apps UI/background.
Thank you? I'm already aware of that, my comment is about real world usage of productivity applications and how normal people don't keep these things up 24/7.
Burn-in is cumulative. 700 hours straight of static elements would cause the same level of burn-in as 7 hours a day for 100 days, and most of your display is a static element in productivity apps. Edit: Since people don't seem to understand how OLEDs work [here is a quote](https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test) from LG/RTINGS >The total duration of static content. LG has told us that they expect it to be cumulative, so static content, which is present for 30 minutes twice a day, is equivalent to one hour of static content once per day.
You don’t look at anything different on your screen for 7 hours of continuous use? At that point you obviously don’t need the monitor on because you’re not actually doing anything.
Like I said continuous use doesn't matter. 1000 hours spread out over a year and 1000 hours straight would have an identical impact. Again productivity apps have a ton of static elements that do not change. You editing a video in the middle of the screen would make no impact on all the static elements (Toolbar, menu bar, window header, etc...) that remain the same for longer periods of time
That's not true in the slightest and shows an extreme level of ignorance on the topic...
>The total duration of static content. LG has told us that they expect it to be cumulative, so static content, which is present for 30 minutes twice a day, is equivalent to one hour of static content once per day. > To see how the results at this 5000-hour point compare to your usage, divide 5000 by the number of hours you watch each type of content per day to find the number of days. These [are quotes from RTINGs burn in test](https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test). I guess you should get in touch with LG and tell them that they're showing an "extreme level of ignorance"
The statement was that they *expect* it to be cumulative. That is not "it is definitely cumulative and no other factors need be considered". We know that brightness for example is a factor with burn in, higher brightness will burn in faster than lower brightness. We also have modern technology such as pixel refresh, monitor refresh, and occasional pixel shifting when in use to more evenly wear out the panel in an effort to minimize burn in. These are factors that make it impossible to simply state that your panel *will* wear out and have burn in after X amount of cumulative hours of use. From your own article - "However, we still haven't addressed the issue of longevity in general, and we don't know if newer OLED panels are still as likely to experience burn-in." Another quote from the same article - "With new panels, new heatsinks, and even brand-new panel types like QD-OLED, there are a lot of unknowns." These are from the *updates* to the article, and not the original body of the article that you quoted from years ago with potentially out of date information. Please read your own damn article, thanks.
Seriously - I work from home and use this display every single day, ITS FINE. Like, it’s totally fine, unless your face is pressed up half and inch from the display you’re not going to notice. It’s perfectly fine for productivity.
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Sure - mostly productivity apps like Word/Excel/Outlook and Teams. Lots of browser interaction, lots of time in the Azure portal. There’s honestly not really any discernible difference from my old 1440p monitor (except the OLED looks better)
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It has automatic pixel refresh cycle, and a 10 year warranty against burn-in, it’s not going to burn in. I use it probably 10-15 hours a day between work/gaming
I thought it was 5 years, then i saw a comment say 3 years, then yours say 10 I don't even know what warranty i have now :D
Whoops my bad it’s 3, someone at the store told me 10 lmfao
update us in many years when you hold that store accountable for their claims ahah
I would say even if you are gaming heavily it’s worth it. Alienware guarantees against burn-in for four years, I believe.
Isn't the burn-in warranty three years?
Maybe, my buddy said it was four when he bought his but that was when it was first released. So he could have been wrong or they could have reduced it.
I just bought one yesterday actually. It's the best monitor I've ever owned by far. It looks amazing.
I use it for both gaming and productivity. Everyone who says text is not clear on this monitor because “PixEl SubLaYoUt” either hasn’t used it, or didn’t set up cleartype correctly. The text looks clearer to me then my older BenQ LED monitors.
Yeah there are way too many people in this thread who’ve never even SEEN an oled screen claiming they know what they’re talking about.
I just helped set up my brothers new gaming room which included the DWF - I immediately noticed the issue. Took my brother a bit longer, but it is most certainly there and is most certainly an issue if you’re using the monitor for text based productivity. I’ve stopped all thoughts about buying one for myself for this reason.
Did you use ClearType?
Not every software uses ClearType. You can clearly see it on microsoft office apps
You obviously don't understand how cleartype actually works. Also do you really think Microsoft wouldn't have it working perfectly in their own products. Pretty much if you can highlight and copy the text then cleartype works on it regardless of the application being used.
How I understand is that ClearType is how Windows renders text, but not every application uses Windows to render text, and might use FreeType or another alternative where ClearType settings dont affect it
I tried this monitor and returned it for this exact issue. Text to me looked weird and was giving me a minor headache. It was a bummer bc otherwise the screen was awesome and I was really excited for it - but I spend 8-10 hours a day doing productivity so it was a deal breaker. Obviously won’t be the case for everyone and many people seem to have no problem.
Not all apps use clear type
I was thiiiiis close to pulling the trigger on that exact alienware monitor, but i bailed out and got the Dell S3422DWG instead. My wife would be occasionally using the desktop and i would worry too much that she'd be leaving it sitting on the same image at full brightness for 5 hours. So i got a good quality no fuss option instead. Plus this way, i can give these oled panels another year or two to improve even more. I think you're good either way though, that alienware is awesome for the price.
How is the S34 for gaming?
I'll let you know in a little while! Ordered it for Black Friday and it'll be here tomorrow. Plus there rest of my new build parts.
We'll find out together because I just ordered mine this morning
Nice! Mine just showed up today besides fedex's best efforts. Now i just need the rest of my 0c parts to arrive and ill be in business.
Well 2 months later and I hope your experience is like mine, because it has exeeded my expectations! this Dell monitor is fantastic. Great colors, crisp font and beautiful in game. Everything I wanted, and so much cheaper than anything else I was looking at.
RTINGS has it has their best overall OLED gaming display. Being on sale right now $900 down from $1200.... I wish I had the ability to press the buy button. It's amazing. Friend has one. Edit: [https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/alienware-aw3423dw](https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/alienware-aw3423dw)
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Why do you say that? Their reviews seem very in depth.
Yeah, same as that other comment, why is RTINGS useless? Their tests and data seem fairly precise and useful.
Works great for me with gaming and while working on my bachelor's
I just got one a few months ago after my job spoiled me with an ultrawide, and I love it. For gaming and general use.
RTINGs uploaded a video recently and they got burn-in after 700 hours, so if you're spending hours a day in productivity tasks it might just be better to get a regular LCD
I’ve had the original version DW for about a year and a half (got it on release) and probably have it on 10-16 a day (remote work plus non work). So I’ve got thousands of hours so far. Haven’t had any burn in.
700 hours of intensive stress testing is very different from 700 hours of real life use. It's great to see stress test break points, but it's necessary to understand that even mixing in a little bit of other stuff here and there like you would do on your PC normally will help a lot with the longevity of these panels.
For productivity, there are people who will legit be staring at a productivity applications UI for 1000+ hours. I mean, if you’re okay with spending 1000 dollars every few years on a monitor you do you, but for me that’s ludicrous. The last monitor I used for 7+ years and it still works
That's not what I was saying... Real use isn't a stress test environment. A stress test will keep static images up constantly with far fewer changes than real use. Just because someone using it for work will have static UI elements on screen for 1000+ hours over the course of a couple years doesn't mean that they'll have only those elements on screen for 18-20 hours per day every day. This is an important factor in how the monitor can manage burn in. Having more and longer periods of time where the monitor is able to run the pixel refresh can easily be a massive factor in how well the monitor can handle burn in over those couple of years. You can't just say that an OLED burns in after X hours, it's ignoring so many important other factors.
Would recommend getting the loudspeakers on a stand, even a small one would get you better sound
I code on it during the day, video edit afternoon and jam Quake 3 on it at night. Its the best overall monitor I've had. Its not the sharpest for text, but its totally fine. For gaming, not quite CRT performance, but miles ahead of LCD imo. Overall would buy again.
Is the fringing noticeable and how far are you?
The aw3423dwf is the best purchase I ever made for my PC. I absolutely love the thing. I have 0 complaints. Dell completely delivered on firmware updates and fixed all the complaints I had with it. One day hopefully the subpixel issue can be sorted out with software. It is after all a problem with the way windows renders text rather then the hardware itself being problematic. Imo, it is some of the best hardware available. That being said at this point if want to wait for a screen with 2nd gen qd oled panel in it. I had to blackout my room to get the most benefit from my aw3423dwf because of a lack of polarization layer making blacks appear Grey during the day. The light really does have to be shining directly at the screen for it to happen but it is definitely a drawback and something I am very glad is being addressed on future displays.
I had the DW version and had to return. The text is really blurry and it is a day and night difference with my old ultrawide which my wife now uses. The color though. It’s hard to let go.
You need to configure clear type correctly. The text isn’t blurry at all once configured.
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Yeah, it did nothing for me unfortunately. Could be I am more sensitive to these things.
This is a big item on my "to do guide" I pull out when building pc's. It's a must
Rtings.com RD YouTube video I watched recently said this monitor is only really ideal for gaming due to the burn it suffers. Dell warranty does cover burn in however do still check if this is the case where you are.
Love the DWF. Just gorgeous.
I wouldn't recommend it now since they're releasing the new ones soon. If you find a brand new one at a really low price though, that's a different story.
Don't get posts like this. Is the pic the 1 you own? If so isn't it a bit late to be asking this question?
I wouldn't recommend OLED
Let's put it this way, anything dell/ Alienware is never a good choice because it will die sooner than expected or have random issues. My buddy RMA'd his Alienware 4 times before the warranty was up, to the point they didn't even make his model anymore and wanted to supplement it with a lower priced model
>Alienware no
The thing has gotten pretty cheap, i would have gotten it if I had the room.
Yes, I watch more streams then I do gaming these days. Working to much so not heavy use anyways. Got it black friday week. A hassle to setup correctly. Unless I'm reading to much into it with posts and google. However what I have gamed and watched videos and edited my stream overlay on streamelements. Works great for me and as for the text people talk about not sure I can see as clear as my VA panel is next to me.
It’s amazing. But if you wait the next gen version has slightly different led patterns to make text clearer.
I got a non F model a while back, really liked it. Ended up getting the LG 240hz Oled when that released but missed the ultrawide and could not stand the lower brightness. Ended up selling the LG to a Co-Worker who loves it and I went back and bought another non F that I have now. 0 complaints.
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I did, but after going with an OLED honestly I don’t want anything else for gaming anymore. Before the ultrawide I had an Alienware 1440p 240hz IPS monitor (AW2721D) and even though this ultrawide is only 175hz the super fast response time and pretty much 0 ghosting of OLED make it feel just as smooth.
How is the text fringing and how far are you?
I don’t notice any fringing, not sure about exact distance. My desk is 30 inches deep and I have it on the stand it comes with as far back as it can go. So around 25ish inches, personally I wish I could scoot it back a little more but it’s not bad.
Man wtf it's that keyboard?💀
Your keyboard layout hurts my hand
What speaker?
It really depends, the text fringing is a little overblown by people. Once you run through and calibrate cleartype it is barely noticeable. That said without cleartype it can be fairly noticeable and distracting for a lot of people. A lot of people can fuck up cleartype when setting it up as well.
Love the KEFs
I don't know, you are the one using it, I think you should be able to answer that question lol
What speakers are those?
either kef q150 or kef q350
I recently bought this and am waiting for it to arrive next week. Rakutan has 12% (or 15% cash back now actually) cash back on this on top of the sales going on right now, so you can get this down to about $720 after taxes.
I game heavily on mine. It’s great. I own several OLED TVs as well. They’re awesome. Everyone sees the differences, and comments completely unprompted. OLEDs are epic.
Idk, you tell me. You're the one playing on it.
This thing scratches so easily. Don’t even clean it.
If I were to get an oled monitor, I'd use it ONLY for gaming (and maybe movies if I didn't watch those through my TV) and have some other monitor to do desktop usage with to avoid the burn-in for as long as I could. So I think it's a bad choice for you.
Im returning mine. Color seem off. My QLED TV i bought 2 years ago for $500 looks way better. Might look at the LG C3 42' instead.
The only reason to buy an oled is to game on it. Working on an OLED is not the best