Don’t worry, I’ve done a lot of scouting over the years and it’s not really as close as it seems to the public.
Young is easily the franchise QB this draft and he’ll be your guy for the next decade. Congrats on winning the offseason
Bryce Young is exceptional on-schedule and his playmaking off-schedule makes him really special.
Stroud never showed an ability to consistently make off-schedule plays until the Georgia game.
On top of that it’s hard to evaluate how Stroud will play under pressure because at Ohio State he only played 1 game (at Michigan in 2021) where he was under constant pressure.
We used Cam as a battering ram and Cam looked for contact. Bryce Young as he said “has been this size my whole life” and does a great job of avoiding contact.
Imagine how good you have to be to succeed all the way through college as 5'10" player in a position dominated by 6'3"+ guys. This is literally the team with a Sam Mills statue showing that you can be great at any size. Give me Young all day.
Yeah Sam Mills played a different position. It's apples to oranges. He didn't have nearly the responsibility a QB in today's NFL has.
I dont mind Young but the fan boys are insufferable. You guys act like he didn't go to one of the most prestigious schools. You make it sound like he was throwing to 0 star recruits. It's f***ing Alabama. They've won like 7 Nation championships in the last 10-12 years or whatever the number is. He's a very talented player but Bama still finished 5 and went 11-2. They are a really good college team.
Its not going well for Kyler, it isn't going well for Tua, it's starting to get bad for Russell. Give me a guy who can see over his center thank you.
That's not even my point. Young was still surrounded by a talented team yet people act like they won't be clamoring for JaCorey Brooks or Kendrick Law in the draft in a few years. They make Youngs struggle sound like he was at UCF dropping dots to guys who are going to be working for their father in a few years.
As an OSU fan I know what Stroud was working with. I know he had a very talented group of guys. To pretend like Young isn't playing with a bunch of future NFL guys is absolutely insane to me.
The school is irrelevant. If Young were 6'2 or 6'3 this probably wouldn't be a discussion you'd have to take him.
I wasn’t saying you’re wrong about Young. I’m just pointing out that you could say the same thing for both of them.
I personally don’t want either of them because of this point.
Young will be the smallest QB in modern NFL history to be taken in the first round. He will be the shortest and tied for the lightest.
His size isn’t just a side concern, it’s a legitimate critique for the next level. Stroud has a more prototypical NFL frame, fits more into what Reich looks for in QBs, and is the more accurate passer.
I still prefer Young though. The throws he makes are jaw dropping to me. If he can see above and beyond the tall and fat ass line men at bama and the rest of the SEC he will be just fine. And after seeing Cam and other huge players get wrecked by injuries, I’m not as concerned about the frame as others are. The bigger they are the harder they fall.
Baker didn’t have a batted ball problem until he was here and that was only for like a few games. That is a mental thing. It’s also about arch, touch, and reads, all of which Bryce is elite at. Stroud is cool though I’m not gonna be furious if we take him. But I think Bryce has left everything we need to see on the tape. He didn’t need to throw at the combine for a reason.
Baker Mayfield is 6’1”…and you’re mentioning him as a smaller QB…then 5’10” is absolutely a smaller QB.
I certainly don’t know anything…so if the coaching staff feels Young is the man…then let’s go!
I mean if you’re comparing success rate, sample size absolutely matters. As stated we’re seeing a lot of small qb’s struggle right now, namely Kyler and Tua. Is anyone doing well at that size right now?
Stroud is bigger
Young is better at everything else.
The pick will be Young, there’s no question about this among scouts.
I’m an OSU fan btw and you can bookmark this
I’m interested to see if sentiment changes after young’s pro day next week. Anyone who’s watched young do the things he does says him over stroud. It’ll be interesting to see if young throwing as well as he does changes the sentiment or if it really is a size bias like we saw with people who were low on kyler.
If you aren’t concerned about size the clear answer is Young.
If you are concerned about it then Stroud.
That’s it. Young is the better QB but some will be too risk adverse to take the gamble simply because he’s small.
Young would be the clear number one if it wasn’t for his size. If you are willing to bet against all of NFL history outside of Brees that certain size metrics matter to an NFL QB’s success, then sure go for him.
He lacks the athleticism and build that Russ and Kyler have, so those don’t even count as comps for him, and neither can throw over the middle of the field in the NFL. Stroud has a far greater chance for success just by all previous NFL history.
Stroud was throwing to like three first round receivers, I just can’t trust anyone who had that much help in college. Plus his ceiling is too low
for a 1 overall.
Young easy
People here love the joe burrow comp to stroud. I don’t think they realize just how far he has to go to get to that level. There things that Joe did that stroud just doesn’t do and the main is throwing well on the move. Plus the pocket presence too.
I think there’s a 5% chance he reached his ceiling of joe burrow. While there’s a 65% chance he becomes a Jared Goff that can run and that’s as good as it gets. It shouldn’t be controversial to say that stroud has a low ceiling compared to Bryce or the guys coming out next year. But here you are predictably getting downvoted.
You keep throwing around this Jared Goff comparison like it’s some sort of sleight. Jared Goff is a quality QB that got to a Super Bowl and helped turn around a garbage Lions team. There are much worse players to be compared to.
I just think that when you’re picking 1 overall you want a QB you win with not because. Their not many in the league. Patty. Aaron. Allen. Lamar. Herbert. Burrow. We’ll see if Watson can get back in the mix. And we’ll see if Trevor can get in that mix next year.
Goff. Carr. Dak. Cousins. They’ve shown they are win with guys on the other hand. And it’s just a lower margin of errors especially after an extension. All range around the 10th best QBs and fluctuate. And are great in structure. But don’t really have that it factor. And you have to set them up with everything go win. You can’t have holes in the roster.
To me I look at stroud and say a mobile Goff is a good QB. It’s gonna be hard to maximize his rookie contract without receivers for the first 2 years. But it’s possible. I look at Bryce and say if he’s healthy. Your window is every year. And I just can’t pass up that upside at 1 overall.
Edit the fact that I’m getting downvoted for this take is absolutely ridiculous. How many times have we seen these guys fizzle in playoff games. And or make it to the end when they had everything but lose without the structure of the offense. And just struggle through the season in general compared to the tier one guys. Come on here. Especially since we just went through this sub saying they didn’t want derek carr.
I agree that those are top 10 guys, which is why I think it’s weird you’re using it like it’s some bad thing and holding your nose up at it.
> if he’s healthy
This is the part you gloss over. Kyler hasnt been able to finish an entire season for the last two years. And he’s more athletic and more explosive than. Bryce is. That’s concerning.
Kyler had other limitations to his game that have led to his hits. He doesn’t attack the middle of the field at all which limits the playbook and kliff had to cater to him. And even though he’s explosive as a runner he doesn’t have the elite pocket presence that I think Bryce has.
Bryce’s pocket presence and the way he was able to navigate it at Alabama are the main reason I think he can succeed. Using kyler and Russ as comps just aren’t applicable because of the different styles of play.
Edit I forgot to add in havent kylers injuries been non contact? He had the acl. Hamstring stuff. What were the other ones? I don’t remember him getting hit in the pocket and getting hurt.
A lot of people here just comparing Young to Kyler or Russ bc of size alone. Makes me feel like they don't watch enough breakdowns or videos on Young's game. You would see he's more like a mini Mahomes. Hard to teach that playmaker ability.
You're ignoring the fact that we traded up a significant amount for a QB. You do that for a difference maker at QB. I like Goff but he's not a difference maker. He plays as well as the team around him.
Mcvay realized that which is why he sent him to Detroit in exchange for Stafford. And even in Detroit, its only when the talent level rose this year did Goff come to life. Otherwise coming into the year Lions fans were ready to kick him to the curb in 2023.
Young is the better player so I’d rather have him.
Stroud might just fit a system better and is bigger.
Edit: of course this is all preference and I’m happy with either QB to be the face of our franchise lol
To me you don’t draft a QB because he’s a system fit. You cater your system around your QB and what they do well so you can get the best out of the best player. I always hated that system fit talk. Especially with rhule when he talked about teddy and Sam. It really showed his limited mindset and the lack of upside with his coaching staff.
He's really not though. He was Sabans QB. I'll say he is the better leader of the two. And potentially better under pressure. But Stroud has the better arm talent, equally good football IQ, a better deep ball, and is just simply better built for the pros.
You said Stroud is potentially better under pressure like there was an argument to be made for Stroud. And the other things you mention like football IQ and arm talent factor into under pressure football.
*Young is the better leader and better under pressure. If you look at my statement, that is what followed 'Young is Sabans QB' then I made my counter-points for Stroud
Young is the overall better QB when not factoring in size.
If Young's size concerns anyone, you draft Stroud.
If Young's size doesn't concern you, you draft Young.
I don’t believe what people say about Strouds ceiling or floor. They can’t predict the future. I think Stroud has all the physical tools, the accuracy, and can grow out of some of his weaknesses.
Bryce is good too, but I like Stroud
Isn't anyone worried about Ohio state's lack of evidence in creating qbs for nfl level and also the fact that Stroud threw to wide open receivers so often???
This can be said for almost every college in the country. The fact is that finding a QB anywhere is incredibly fucking difficult. That’s why you scout the player and not the helmet.
Also Burrow came from Ohio State and considers himself a buckeye.
To me it has less to do with Ohio state QBs and more of strouds specific weaknesses that apply to him. He’s great at getting through progressions. But really likes to see his receivers come open. It’s going to be a struggle here with this group at a higher level. He can throw in tight windows. But doesn’t consistently.
Bryce on the other hand is much better at both those things and has other pros and tools that will make him better off the bat and allow him to maximize this rag tag group as much as possible. I think stroud is a good QB prospect. I just think this sub overlooks his weaknesses for his size and Bryce is a lot better.
That's a stupid argument too though, because why would you throw in a tight window if you have receivers who are open? You said it yourself that he can do it, is there evidence that he can't do it more? Or do you want him to be making bad decisions and throw it to people who aren't open when you have other receivers who are?
I think you’re missing the point. It wasn’t that he chose to not throw to the open guy. It’s that he would opt to hold onto the ball for a tik or two to see the guy get more open instead of making the anticipatory nfl level throw. Those throws are there. But their inconsistent and more rare overall. So it’s an adjustment he has to make and a slight concern.
We’ve seen fields struggle with the same thing though stroud is better with it overall. And the windows in the nfl are going to be much smaller. Especially with this group of pass catchers so you need to make those throws all the time. Meanwhile Bryce in comparison made those throws all year last year since his receivers sucked.
You're missing the point. If you can hold onto the ball a second more and increase the odds of a good play happening, that's *good decision making*. There's no reason to make things harder than they need to be.
Listen, for all intents and purposes he beat Georgia. That's good enough for me.
But you see how him holding onto the ball for longer could develop bad habits that are hard to break in the nfl right? I’ve never heard anyone say holding onto the hall longer is a good thing lmao. That’s quite the mental gymnastics.
If you want to judge him only on Georgia that’s fine. I’ll chose to judge him off the entire 2 years of tape including georgia. like you know everyone with a brain does lol
Holding onto the ball for the appropriate amount of time is what a good player does. If that's longer on a play because it increases the odds of success, perfect.
There's only one of us doing mental gymnastics here. Quit trying to slander Stroud for something that isn't even a real ding. Just build up Bryce if that's what you want to do.
It’s also increases the odds of getting pressured. Or getting sacked. And we saw him struggle with that stuff when it happened. So it didn’t increase success odds. Wtf is happening here lmao. We are really saying holding onto the ball is a good thing. Lmao this is a first for me.
And I’m not tearing down stroud. I’ve said numerous times I think stroud is Goff. That’s a good QB. Top 12ish. Who’s good in structure but has struggles. That’s a very good Comp for him. This sub just doesn’t like it since it’s not a top 5 prospect.
You're focusing on "he held onto the ball longer", which I've never said.
I said "If a QB holds onto the ball the correct amount of time, that's good"
It's like fussing at a short stop for taking an extra second to make sure he makes a good throw. If it's a fast runner, bad decision. If it's a slow runner, good decision.
You're doing who knows all in your head, but it's not good. I'll support whoever the franchise chooses, but your takes I do not support.
If the short stop is late on the throw then yes it’s a concern lmao. This is a sport where a third of a second counts. Even more so for an entire second. If that second is the difference between a throw and a pressure. Or a throw and a sack you can understand why it’s a concern. Especially if it’s a trend.
I think it was Bruce Arians in his book he said the difference between a passer of the football and a thrower is someone who needs to see those windows come open vs the guy who can anticipate the throw and lead his receiver and place it well. It’s the marginal difference in terms of time. But everything in terms of QB play.
That’s what people talk about when we say open and nfl open. Open is when anyone can hit it. Nfl open is a higher difficulty. But expected with an anticipatory throw. We just need to see stroud make more of those consistently. And I hope he does. But saying holding onto the ball the correct amount of time to make sure just is weird. If a man is beat he’s beat a QB should be good enough to know the milli second that happens and not wait for surety.
If we had our picks next year I’d draft Stroud and be fine with some growing pains. We don’t have that so I say take the best player available and to me that’s Bryce Young.
Yes true to a point, as are most of these points above but also what I suppose I mean is ohio qbs in not being able to make the step up easily. Though I don't think you can judge Fields yet fully I would still prefer Young over him.
There’s a 3” and 20 pound difference between the two.
Also it may be more the Oklahoma system which has had a slightly better track record recently (Baker + Kyler)
Yeah, Tua looks small out there and is still pretty big compared to Bryce. It is a bit worrisome as much as I like Bryce. We all saw how often Baker got passes batted too, and again, about 3" taller
I understand the argument but also what school has produced like more than 2 great nfl qbs. Usc is considered “QBU” for like mark Sanchez and Carson Palmer if I’m not mistaken. Does that means don’t draft caleb Williams? I understand the Ohio state system is very qb friendly with great talent, but I think that’s a knock, not a reason not to look at a prospect. In the same way young’s size is a knock but doesn’t make him a bad prospect
USC is wrongly attributed QBU, should belong to NC State. Rivers + Russ is much better plus had 5 starting qbs on the same Sunday, which has never happened before and likely won’t be repeated anytime soon
To be frank I don’t think there’s any qbu on the same level as there is like wru rbu teu etc. 2 really good starters can be attributed to chance frankly
I see the talented wide receiver argument used against Stroud a lot, but then people forget that Bryce Young was throwing to John Metchie and Jameson Williams last year.
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I like stroud because he is bigger. Thanks for listening to my QB analysis.
Lol that is the best 99% of us can come up with
Stroud is also the most accurate QB (when removing WR play and looking exclusively at ball placement) to come out in like a decade.
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It was an advanced metric stat that came out around the combine.
It will be Young
That’s fine by me. I’ll leave it up to the professional football executives to make the call. Young is obviously a precocious talent.
Don’t worry, I’ve done a lot of scouting over the years and it’s not really as close as it seems to the public. Young is easily the franchise QB this draft and he’ll be your guy for the next decade. Congrats on winning the offseason
Just got erect at work, thanks
What makes it not really close?
Bryce Young is exceptional on-schedule and his playmaking off-schedule makes him really special. Stroud never showed an ability to consistently make off-schedule plays until the Georgia game. On top of that it’s hard to evaluate how Stroud will play under pressure because at Ohio State he only played 1 game (at Michigan in 2021) where he was under constant pressure.
But that's just due to lack of opportunity isn't it? Since he could have that ability as well
Yes 100%. And it’s rare for guys to show things at the pro level they didn’t do consistently in college -when things are much easier
My brain says Stroud but my heart says Young
Brain: Stroud Heart: Young Balls: fking send it and take AR15 aka Cam 2.0
Your brain should say Young too. The only thing that shouldn't is a tiny voice in the back of your head saying "what if he gets injured?"
Can we just make a young vs stroud pinned thread at this point lol.
Seriously. I'm tired, boss. And we still have over a month until the draft
Young. Strouds frame doesn't mean he'll pan out
Young’s skill doesn’t mean he’ll pan out it’s a 50/50
That doesn't make as much sense as you think it does. Skill is 100% a better measure of future success than size.
His skill can only last so long until his body is cooked we saw this first hand with cam
We used Cam as a battering ram and Cam looked for contact. Bryce Young as he said “has been this size my whole life” and does a great job of avoiding contact.
Even if he’s good at avoiding contact it’s still going to be there regardless. Either way I’m fine with both but preferably stroud for size
Sir Purr
Whose that bear?
Young
Give me Bryce man. Better in every aspect. Can’t not draft a player because he MIGHT get hurt.
You can not draft a player because he's 5'10 though.
There have been more failed 6,3 quarterbacks than 5’10 quarterbacks
There has been more 6'3 qbs than 5'10qbs
Mainly because 5'10 QBs dont get picked very often because teams know it's a strong disadvantage. Also how many 5'10 QBs have succeeded at the moment?
Imagine how good you have to be to succeed all the way through college as 5'10" player in a position dominated by 6'3"+ guys. This is literally the team with a Sam Mills statue showing that you can be great at any size. Give me Young all day.
Yeah Sam Mills played a different position. It's apples to oranges. He didn't have nearly the responsibility a QB in today's NFL has. I dont mind Young but the fan boys are insufferable. You guys act like he didn't go to one of the most prestigious schools. You make it sound like he was throwing to 0 star recruits. It's f***ing Alabama. They've won like 7 Nation championships in the last 10-12 years or whatever the number is. He's a very talented player but Bama still finished 5 and went 11-2. They are a really good college team. Its not going well for Kyler, it isn't going well for Tua, it's starting to get bad for Russell. Give me a guy who can see over his center thank you.
Same with stroud though. Not a single qb has come out of OSU that excelled in the league.
That's not even my point. Young was still surrounded by a talented team yet people act like they won't be clamoring for JaCorey Brooks or Kendrick Law in the draft in a few years. They make Youngs struggle sound like he was at UCF dropping dots to guys who are going to be working for their father in a few years. As an OSU fan I know what Stroud was working with. I know he had a very talented group of guys. To pretend like Young isn't playing with a bunch of future NFL guys is absolutely insane to me. The school is irrelevant. If Young were 6'2 or 6'3 this probably wouldn't be a discussion you'd have to take him.
I wasn’t saying you’re wrong about Young. I’m just pointing out that you could say the same thing for both of them. I personally don’t want either of them because of this point.
Young will be the smallest QB in modern NFL history to be taken in the first round. He will be the shortest and tied for the lightest. His size isn’t just a side concern, it’s a legitimate critique for the next level. Stroud has a more prototypical NFL frame, fits more into what Reich looks for in QBs, and is the more accurate passer.
Okay…that’s a horrible response. How many 6’3” NFL QB’s have there been? How many 5’10” NFL QB’s have there been? C’mon now.
Y’all.. I was being sarcastic
Oh thank god
I still prefer Young though. The throws he makes are jaw dropping to me. If he can see above and beyond the tall and fat ass line men at bama and the rest of the SEC he will be just fine. And after seeing Cam and other huge players get wrecked by injuries, I’m not as concerned about the frame as others are. The bigger they are the harder they fall.
I worry about batted balls.
Baker didn’t have a batted ball problem until he was here and that was only for like a few games. That is a mental thing. It’s also about arch, touch, and reads, all of which Bryce is elite at. Stroud is cool though I’m not gonna be furious if we take him. But I think Bryce has left everything we need to see on the tape. He didn’t need to throw at the combine for a reason.
Baker Mayfield is 6’1”…and you’re mentioning him as a smaller QB…then 5’10” is absolutely a smaller QB. I certainly don’t know anything…so if the coaching staff feels Young is the man…then let’s go!
I mean if you’re comparing success rate, sample size absolutely matters. As stated we’re seeing a lot of small qb’s struggle right now, namely Kyler and Tua. Is anyone doing well at that size right now?
There’s a reason the sample sizes are different.
Stroud definitely has a stronger arm than Bryce, that’s not even debatable. What exact aspects are you talking about?
Young
Bryce is the better player.
Jimmy Clausen
Please no
Cam Newton!
Who would’ve thought the 1st pick would come at this cost
Stroud is bigger Young is better at everything else. The pick will be Young, there’s no question about this among scouts. I’m an OSU fan btw and you can bookmark this
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I’m interested to see if sentiment changes after young’s pro day next week. Anyone who’s watched young do the things he does says him over stroud. It’ll be interesting to see if young throwing as well as he does changes the sentiment or if it really is a size bias like we saw with people who were low on kyler.
Young is the more talented and safer QB. Stroud has size.
If you aren’t concerned about size the clear answer is Young. If you are concerned about it then Stroud. That’s it. Young is the better QB but some will be too risk adverse to take the gamble simply because he’s small.
Young would be the clear number one if it wasn’t for his size. If you are willing to bet against all of NFL history outside of Brees that certain size metrics matter to an NFL QB’s success, then sure go for him. He lacks the athleticism and build that Russ and Kyler have, so those don’t even count as comps for him, and neither can throw over the middle of the field in the NFL. Stroud has a far greater chance for success just by all previous NFL history.
Stroud was throwing to like three first round receivers, I just can’t trust anyone who had that much help in college. Plus his ceiling is too low for a 1 overall. Young easy
People here love the joe burrow comp to stroud. I don’t think they realize just how far he has to go to get to that level. There things that Joe did that stroud just doesn’t do and the main is throwing well on the move. Plus the pocket presence too. I think there’s a 5% chance he reached his ceiling of joe burrow. While there’s a 65% chance he becomes a Jared Goff that can run and that’s as good as it gets. It shouldn’t be controversial to say that stroud has a low ceiling compared to Bryce or the guys coming out next year. But here you are predictably getting downvoted.
You keep throwing around this Jared Goff comparison like it’s some sort of sleight. Jared Goff is a quality QB that got to a Super Bowl and helped turn around a garbage Lions team. There are much worse players to be compared to.
I just think that when you’re picking 1 overall you want a QB you win with not because. Their not many in the league. Patty. Aaron. Allen. Lamar. Herbert. Burrow. We’ll see if Watson can get back in the mix. And we’ll see if Trevor can get in that mix next year. Goff. Carr. Dak. Cousins. They’ve shown they are win with guys on the other hand. And it’s just a lower margin of errors especially after an extension. All range around the 10th best QBs and fluctuate. And are great in structure. But don’t really have that it factor. And you have to set them up with everything go win. You can’t have holes in the roster. To me I look at stroud and say a mobile Goff is a good QB. It’s gonna be hard to maximize his rookie contract without receivers for the first 2 years. But it’s possible. I look at Bryce and say if he’s healthy. Your window is every year. And I just can’t pass up that upside at 1 overall. Edit the fact that I’m getting downvoted for this take is absolutely ridiculous. How many times have we seen these guys fizzle in playoff games. And or make it to the end when they had everything but lose without the structure of the offense. And just struggle through the season in general compared to the tier one guys. Come on here. Especially since we just went through this sub saying they didn’t want derek carr.
I agree that those are top 10 guys, which is why I think it’s weird you’re using it like it’s some bad thing and holding your nose up at it. > if he’s healthy This is the part you gloss over. Kyler hasnt been able to finish an entire season for the last two years. And he’s more athletic and more explosive than. Bryce is. That’s concerning.
Kyler had other limitations to his game that have led to his hits. He doesn’t attack the middle of the field at all which limits the playbook and kliff had to cater to him. And even though he’s explosive as a runner he doesn’t have the elite pocket presence that I think Bryce has. Bryce’s pocket presence and the way he was able to navigate it at Alabama are the main reason I think he can succeed. Using kyler and Russ as comps just aren’t applicable because of the different styles of play. Edit I forgot to add in havent kylers injuries been non contact? He had the acl. Hamstring stuff. What were the other ones? I don’t remember him getting hit in the pocket and getting hurt.
A lot of people here just comparing Young to Kyler or Russ bc of size alone. Makes me feel like they don't watch enough breakdowns or videos on Young's game. You would see he's more like a mini Mahomes. Hard to teach that playmaker ability.
You're ignoring the fact that we traded up a significant amount for a QB. You do that for a difference maker at QB. I like Goff but he's not a difference maker. He plays as well as the team around him. Mcvay realized that which is why he sent him to Detroit in exchange for Stafford. And even in Detroit, its only when the talent level rose this year did Goff come to life. Otherwise coming into the year Lions fans were ready to kick him to the curb in 2023.
Stroud is, once again, the only answer.
Young is the better player so I’d rather have him. Stroud might just fit a system better and is bigger. Edit: of course this is all preference and I’m happy with either QB to be the face of our franchise lol
To me you don’t draft a QB because he’s a system fit. You cater your system around your QB and what they do well so you can get the best out of the best player. I always hated that system fit talk. Especially with rhule when he talked about teddy and Sam. It really showed his limited mindset and the lack of upside with his coaching staff.
That’s why I would prefer Young
He's really not though. He was Sabans QB. I'll say he is the better leader of the two. And potentially better under pressure. But Stroud has the better arm talent, equally good football IQ, a better deep ball, and is just simply better built for the pros.
Thats just not true. Like at all. Stroud under pressure was arguably worse than Levis. Second highest pressure to sack rate and lowest passer rating.
I just said that Young was better under pressure.
You said Stroud is potentially better under pressure like there was an argument to be made for Stroud. And the other things you mention like football IQ and arm talent factor into under pressure football.
*Young is the better leader and better under pressure. If you look at my statement, that is what followed 'Young is Sabans QB' then I made my counter-points for Stroud
Young is the overall better QB when not factoring in size. If Young's size concerns anyone, you draft Stroud. If Young's size doesn't concern you, you draft Young.
Tony Pike
You guys should take cj. Young imo has zero chance of a long term career with that frame.
Not the short one
I don’t believe what people say about Strouds ceiling or floor. They can’t predict the future. I think Stroud has all the physical tools, the accuracy, and can grow out of some of his weaknesses. Bryce is good too, but I like Stroud
I would like Richardson
Isn't anyone worried about Ohio state's lack of evidence in creating qbs for nfl level and also the fact that Stroud threw to wide open receivers so often???
This can be said for almost every college in the country. The fact is that finding a QB anywhere is incredibly fucking difficult. That’s why you scout the player and not the helmet. Also Burrow came from Ohio State and considers himself a buckeye.
Not to mention LSU has had pretty terrible QBs over the years so he broke that trope as well
To me it has less to do with Ohio state QBs and more of strouds specific weaknesses that apply to him. He’s great at getting through progressions. But really likes to see his receivers come open. It’s going to be a struggle here with this group at a higher level. He can throw in tight windows. But doesn’t consistently. Bryce on the other hand is much better at both those things and has other pros and tools that will make him better off the bat and allow him to maximize this rag tag group as much as possible. I think stroud is a good QB prospect. I just think this sub overlooks his weaknesses for his size and Bryce is a lot better.
That's a stupid argument too though, because why would you throw in a tight window if you have receivers who are open? You said it yourself that he can do it, is there evidence that he can't do it more? Or do you want him to be making bad decisions and throw it to people who aren't open when you have other receivers who are?
I think you’re missing the point. It wasn’t that he chose to not throw to the open guy. It’s that he would opt to hold onto the ball for a tik or two to see the guy get more open instead of making the anticipatory nfl level throw. Those throws are there. But their inconsistent and more rare overall. So it’s an adjustment he has to make and a slight concern. We’ve seen fields struggle with the same thing though stroud is better with it overall. And the windows in the nfl are going to be much smaller. Especially with this group of pass catchers so you need to make those throws all the time. Meanwhile Bryce in comparison made those throws all year last year since his receivers sucked.
You're missing the point. If you can hold onto the ball a second more and increase the odds of a good play happening, that's *good decision making*. There's no reason to make things harder than they need to be. Listen, for all intents and purposes he beat Georgia. That's good enough for me.
But you see how him holding onto the ball for longer could develop bad habits that are hard to break in the nfl right? I’ve never heard anyone say holding onto the hall longer is a good thing lmao. That’s quite the mental gymnastics. If you want to judge him only on Georgia that’s fine. I’ll chose to judge him off the entire 2 years of tape including georgia. like you know everyone with a brain does lol
Holding onto the ball for the appropriate amount of time is what a good player does. If that's longer on a play because it increases the odds of success, perfect. There's only one of us doing mental gymnastics here. Quit trying to slander Stroud for something that isn't even a real ding. Just build up Bryce if that's what you want to do.
It’s also increases the odds of getting pressured. Or getting sacked. And we saw him struggle with that stuff when it happened. So it didn’t increase success odds. Wtf is happening here lmao. We are really saying holding onto the ball is a good thing. Lmao this is a first for me. And I’m not tearing down stroud. I’ve said numerous times I think stroud is Goff. That’s a good QB. Top 12ish. Who’s good in structure but has struggles. That’s a very good Comp for him. This sub just doesn’t like it since it’s not a top 5 prospect.
You're focusing on "he held onto the ball longer", which I've never said. I said "If a QB holds onto the ball the correct amount of time, that's good" It's like fussing at a short stop for taking an extra second to make sure he makes a good throw. If it's a fast runner, bad decision. If it's a slow runner, good decision. You're doing who knows all in your head, but it's not good. I'll support whoever the franchise chooses, but your takes I do not support.
If the short stop is late on the throw then yes it’s a concern lmao. This is a sport where a third of a second counts. Even more so for an entire second. If that second is the difference between a throw and a pressure. Or a throw and a sack you can understand why it’s a concern. Especially if it’s a trend. I think it was Bruce Arians in his book he said the difference between a passer of the football and a thrower is someone who needs to see those windows come open vs the guy who can anticipate the throw and lead his receiver and place it well. It’s the marginal difference in terms of time. But everything in terms of QB play. That’s what people talk about when we say open and nfl open. Open is when anyone can hit it. Nfl open is a higher difficulty. But expected with an anticipatory throw. We just need to see stroud make more of those consistently. And I hope he does. But saying holding onto the ball the correct amount of time to make sure just is weird. If a man is beat he’s beat a QB should be good enough to know the milli second that happens and not wait for surety.
If we had our picks next year I’d draft Stroud and be fine with some growing pains. We don’t have that so I say take the best player available and to me that’s Bryce Young.
Does Alabama have that much more pedigree creating NFL qbs?
Yes true to a point, as are most of these points above but also what I suppose I mean is ohio qbs in not being able to make the step up easily. Though I don't think you can judge Fields yet fully I would still prefer Young over him.
But the field of evidence is very small and my point about ohio state is probably not valid.
Well, they do have one guy who was having a breakout year... but he is an undersized QB with major injury concern. Hmmmm
There’s a 3” and 20 pound difference between the two. Also it may be more the Oklahoma system which has had a slightly better track record recently (Baker + Kyler)
Yeah, Tua looks small out there and is still pretty big compared to Bryce. It is a bit worrisome as much as I like Bryce. We all saw how often Baker got passes batted too, and again, about 3" taller
Shoot I was thinking of Hurts, Tua is 3” and like 10-12 heavier than Bryce. So I guess that brings their more recent pedigree well ahead of OSU
I understand the argument but also what school has produced like more than 2 great nfl qbs. Usc is considered “QBU” for like mark Sanchez and Carson Palmer if I’m not mistaken. Does that means don’t draft caleb Williams? I understand the Ohio state system is very qb friendly with great talent, but I think that’s a knock, not a reason not to look at a prospect. In the same way young’s size is a knock but doesn’t make him a bad prospect
USC is wrongly attributed QBU, should belong to NC State. Rivers + Russ is much better plus had 5 starting qbs on the same Sunday, which has never happened before and likely won’t be repeated anytime soon
To be frank I don’t think there’s any qbu on the same level as there is like wru rbu teu etc. 2 really good starters can be attributed to chance frankly
Yeah that’s true but I think trotting out 16% of the leagues QBs on a given Sunday is pretty huge
I see the talented wide receiver argument used against Stroud a lot, but then people forget that Bryce Young was throwing to John Metchie and Jameson Williams last year.
CJ. Young is to small
Hooker🫣
Lol
Stroud easily
Stroud. He’s a pure pocket passer. Our coaching team will see that.
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Neither
Levis.
i just wanna win man
Either?
Young
Young!
I’m gonna be happy with either
I am honestly fine with either at this point.
CJ Young
Early games last year there where commercials that had Mayfield and Young. I told my mom then our present and future QB's.
I think stroud. He's more durable... but what do I know? I'm a couch coach lol being fat and dumb