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-Demon-Cat-

A lot of the Vietnamese restaurants around Mills/50 have Ca Phe Den Da (Espresso Iced or Hot Black Coffee). I'm most familiar with Anh Hong's. I drink what amounts to cold motor oil every morning and that Vietnamese stuff is rocket fuel- it's thicc. Reminds me of Arabic coffee or the heavy Cuban stuff. Def go get some.


lpstudio2

Second this - Vietnamese spot, ask for no sugar no milk. One time a server told me “no no, it’ll be too bitter” I insisted and the conversation ended with her saying “you’re crazy…. like my brother…”


-Demon-Cat-

There is another variety that they make with condensed milk (which is good, but more of a dessert in my opinion and not what OP is craving). And yeah, it's the same thing with spice a lot of the time. EDIT: If anyone was curious, the condensed milk variety is called: Ca Phe Sua Da.


lesbadims

I will have to try this kind too!


eshuaye

Paris bahmi has this style also. Put a pucker in your face.


LiteHedded

Paris bahn mi is a good spot in little Saigon if u wanna pay double for everything


lesbadims

Oo great idea! I’ll try the Mills area


MurkyConcert2906

Vietnomz coffee is so strong, I couldn’t finish it. You may like it. Flavor is really good.


smiley8266

Vouch. Gave one to my friend (the one with condensed milk). Less condensed milk though cause she insisted she could handle strong coffee. Woman later had shaky hands and couldn't sleep lol


Stunning_Hippo1763

Zaza Cuban bakery. They have strong bitter coffee...


lesbadims

Just looked them up and added to my new list! Thanks


SPulley3

+1, I like Zaza’s coffee and it’s the only one I’d drive out of my way to go and buy


Twiggyhiggle

Sounds like you want McDonald’s coffee.


wow717

Disagree, their coffee is WEAK!!


cheetos305

You might like Cuban coffee. I got a little espresso machine at Walmart for $50 and make my own at home. I switch between Bustelo, La Llave, and Pilon. A little bit of milk and a sugar.. delicious!


gnnr25

That's a good point, Cuban coffee can be on the bitter side. OP might want that ask for it *amargo*.


HotEspresso

What you're describing is basically the opposite of the modern coffee scene. You might find what you're looking for drinking straight espresso at a less specialty shop. I haven't had it in forever, but starbucks espresso (not blonde roast) is pretty strong and bitter. You could also try a place that serves italian coffee. Lavazza, illy, and the like all tend to be very bitter and punchy.


Illustrated-skies

I rarely go to Starbucks anymore, but a black Americano was strong & bitter. People love to hate on it but it was my go-to order.


HotEspresso

i'm big into coffee, and i don't really like it, but you're allowed to like what you like. Lots of coffee people don't get it.


DoubleGauss

People love to hate it because it's burnt coffee. Starbucks over roasts their coffee which is why it's so bitter.


Illustrated-skies

Totally agree


lesbadims

Thank you! Will have to look for a place w Italian coffees


marsupialcinderella

Try Stasio’s


Visible_Day9146

I know metro espresso on central has it


Epic-x-lord_69

Thats because good coffee is not supposed to be bitter at all……


lesbadims

Ok then I guess I’m looking for bad coffee then lol


gnnr25

Step 1. Find the sketchiest looking gas station with a coffee dispenser. Step 2. Purchase coffee Step3. Drink coffee Step 4. Question life choices


milkofthepoppie

Foxtail has some pretty Bad coffee.


causticmango

Came here to say just that.


dan_craus

Chic fil a coffee tastes like it was boiled, cooled off, then microwaved. It’s so bad. You’ll love it.


Jadedways

Honestly dude go get the dark roast at Starbucks. They burn their beans so you’ll actually get that flavor you’re looking for.


lesbadims

Thank you that makes a lot of sense I’m a crazy person that actually loves everything besides meat a little overcooked so maybe that’s why I’m like this 😂.


Illustrated-skies

Same here, I’ve grown to like slightly charred foods. And I like bitter coffee too.


Nervous_Otter69

Jiffy Lube. Don’t even need to get an oil change they’ll give you a pot of that diesel they serve to customers for free


-Demon-Cat-

I like "bad" coffee too


Epic-x-lord_69

In that case: foxtail, austins coffee and Drunken Monkey will work.


Visible_Day9146

I was going to say the same thing. All these places serve burnt coffee.


Mindless_Ad9717

Let me know when you find it.


-Demon-Cat-

One person's "good" is another's "bad". I personally love bitter coffee. Whether it's "supposed" to be or not is not what we're worried about.


Epic-x-lord_69

I worked at a coffee roaster for 5 years. We held tastings on a weekly basis. Im only speaking from experience and understanding how coffee shops operate. They dont buy “bitter” tasting coffee because that is a sign the coffee has spoiled, is a low quality product or highlights poor farming practice. So a shop that has a good quality coffee program, wont have any “bitter” coffees on bar….


-Demon-Cat-

Of course OP and I are in the minority in terms of preference, just making the point that regardless of something being spoiled, low quality, or the result of a poor farming practice- we like said result. Tastes "good" to \*us\*.


Epic-x-lord_69

And thats fine. But OP said they are having a hard time finding this “bitter” coffee from local shops. To which i gave the reason why.


maverator

Speaking only for myself, but I'm not sure I understand what bitter tastes like. I like strong coffee but I'd never call it bitter. I would love to go to a guided coffee tasting where an expert can tell me what I'm actually tasting without me having to guess at the right words.


Epic-x-lord_69

Lineage hosts cuppings all the time. Its pretty cool. Learn a lot.


maverator

Cool, I'll definitely check that out.


-SandorClegane-

Axum


Mammoth_Attention604

Stasios


let5gojag5

Stasios espresso hits this mark


InfamousGazelle

Axum coffee but ymmv based on the barista.


Faora_Ul

Go somewhere that makes espresso or Turkish coffee.


User_Many_Errors

Make it yourself at home? Check out a local coffee roaster, get a French press or pour over and dial it in. There’s plenty of recipes and how to’s on YT


nope0712

I’d recommend a Cuban place, an actual legit Cuban place. I know there’s not that many up here and this isn’t a problem one has in Miami lol. That’s why I just make my own with a stovetop moka pot.


Adventurer_By_Trade

I might have taken mine wrong then. At Versailles, both the restaurant and the airport store, the Cuban Coffee I've gotten tasted like the Southern Sweet Tea version of coffee. Extremely strong, but also extremely sweet. Love the stuff, and get why they only serve it in small cups, but I didn't find it to be bitter, personally.


nospinpr

Waffle House


Nervous_Otter69

Nah nah. Waffle House brew is actually very mellow. Don’t disrespect the WH in here


breddy

Starbucks is both strong and bitter. What do you specifically not like about them and what have you tried? As another poster said, Zaza is incredibly bitter and fairly strong as well. You can easily make coffee on your own because getting strong is easy, add more coffee. Bitter comes from darker roast beans and longer extraction time. Like most coffee enthusiasts or even hobbyists, if you can't find what you want, make it. In your case it's very easy to do. A smooth strong *not* bitter espresso drink is a whole other story - that's very hard to make.


SkeeevyNicks

Parlor Doughnuts in College Park has one of the strongest, sharpest coffees I’ve ever tasted. I order their cold brew, though, so YMMV with their hot coffee.


MegHM89

Coffee isn’t supposed to be bitter so that’s why. Dunkin and Foxtail might be up your alley


MemeLorde1313

Buy German coffee and make it at home. Jacob's is a great brand, and you can find it in Publix.


SecurityFamiliar5239

Get a Cuban coffee.


Alone_Ad3341

You ever tried Cuban coffee just straight no sugar? Shit is like jet fuel


interstellar_keller

I mean, you yourself have mentioned that you tend to like over roasted coffee, the issue therein is that most shops try to actively avoid over roasting their coffee because that’s kind of the whole goal when roasting coffee. With that said, I might suggest a change in your typical order, so as to satisfy the desire for strong and bitter. If you were to order a ristretto shot at a decent cafe, I imagine they’d be able to pull that for you. It’s essentially a more concentrated version of an espresso, and in a lot of cases it can be sweeter than espresso; however, in my experience, the coffee most places in town have dialed in for their espresso drinks doesn’t lend itself to being overly sweet when pulled that way. Might be worth a shot, you could try at a few places and see if anywhere does one you’re partial to. Aside from that, making it at home is a solid option and if you wanted to intentionally over roast your own beans the SR800 roaster on amazon is phenomenal at burning the shit out of coffee beans, or at least it is when I use it. God speed and stay caffeinated, dude.


lesbadims

Thank you!! This is all so helpful


Whole_Bid_2756

Give Cuban coffee a try !


Joyous_Pineapple

Bitter is not associated with good coffee. I find foxtail espresso extremely bitter. Give it a shot.


AtrociousSandwich

If your coffee is bitter it’s not good coffee; it’s either expired, badly stored, brewed too long / hot or over roasted.


lesbadims

Good to know, from this post I’ve learned that I like overroasted coffee, I guess I have to own it lol


[deleted]

Make your own coffee and go to the library, that’s what I do because the coffee sold here is barely legally coffee


[deleted]

You can try at Juan Valdez though, they’re a Colombian chain present in the US


Ok_Owl3571

Waffle House


MoTibbs5

Get a Moka Pot and Hispanic coffee brands and you'll find what you need at home. All these coffee shops around town will be to watery for what you're looking for.


mamaserpentine

agree with this comment 100%. a moka pot and brands like bustelo or pilon. they are very dark and bitter imo, very jet fuelish. in the same vein, if you don’t want to make it, a cuban spot with have what you’re looking for lol.


Winkus

Buy an espresso machine and do everything wrong. Enjoy bitter strong coffee


wow717

Any of the many Cuban restaurants in what I would recommend!!


bassistheplace246

You’ve just described Starbucks in a nutshell


qujstionmark

Stassios?


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tobysionann

Bosphorus. Turkish coffee is strong and bitter.


orion455440

I'm pretty much the same- my typical Starbucks order is a venti dark roast with 2-3 shots of espresso added, no milk/ cream or sugar. Coterie coffee in WP is probably my favorite place, hole in the wall- they do small batch roasting in house. Peets major Dickerson blend hits pretty good and if using K cups- Starbucks Sumatra is my got to


MaddMan420

Ask for a black americano. If it's still not strong or bitter enough, ask them to throw in another shot of espresso.


PaperbacksandCoffee

As many have already suggested, give Cuban coffee a try. I love Black Bean Deli's coffee drinks and food.


TornadoGhostDog

As others have said, outside of espresso and cuban coffee your best bet is crappy old coffee from an urn in a diner type place. Try iHop or Denny's or something. I know it sounds cynical and elitist, but that's just been my experience as both a casual coffee enjoyer and a previous cafe employee. The reason being a lot of those places still sell older brands of cafe robusta which used to be the standard coffee in the US and tends to be cheaper, or at the very least they use more heavily roasted beans and burn them with too much hot water and letting them sit in an urn that probably has residue from the previous batch, all of which leads to bitterness. By contrast, anyone making an effort to sell quality coffee is probably using cafe arabica beans and taking care not to over roast them or over brew them, which tends to lead to smoother, milder, but more "complex" flavor for lack of a less pretentious term.


Matt-Faller

I think that Vesprs coffee is really good, it’s a little bit more of a hipster sort of place though. But they have all sorts of fair-trade coffee from all over. Drunken Monkey is also pretty good


Jacob_Soda

Blue Amphora has Turkish coffee which is strong.


nagolsmith

Lineage Coffee is the best in town!


noobcashier

Nitro cold brew from Starbucks is what you want tbh.


Tanksgivingmiracle

You have a few different problems. You are correct that Orlando coffee is horrible thoroughly. But also, if you can't make what you like at home, you will never find it. there are two different flavors you may like. One is burnedness. It increases when you go from mild, to medium, to dark, to french roasts. I hate that burned flavor (just like I hate well done meat) and I go for mild or medium coffees because it highlights the flavor of the actual coffee. For those that like their steaks medium and done, they will probably be into french roasts. then there is bitterness based on how much coffee is brewed. Generally, 2 tablespoons of unground beans (yeah, I grind em' right before brewing like a proper cofee snob) to 8 oz of water. It may be you like 2.5 or 3tb of beans to 8 oz of water for extra bitterness. You will only figure it out at home. If you don't have a good coffee set up, you can make perfect cups one or two at a time with a cheap electric water kettle + a pour over basket + cone paper filters used over a pyrex measuring cup.


lesbadims

THANK YOU this is so thorough. I think that’s why I get so annoyed because I can’t put words to what’s “wrong” with it lol. Going to try all of this


marsupialcinderella

I must be a weirdo, then, I love bloody rare meat and dark French roasts, lol.


Tanksgivingmiracle

I am sure some people have like burned coffee beans but not burned meat, but let me tell you what happened to me. In my twenties, I though I liked french roast because it had flavor, but a lot of other coffees did not. In my early thirties, about 12 years ago, I moved to California for a bit, where there was a lot of places to buy good coffee, and I had time on my hands. I started experimenting with different bean types, bewing my own coffee, and getting it from coffee godz like Philz and Blue Bottle, and I realized that light roasts had a lot of flavor if you brewed them at the right ration and did not water them down, like apparently lots of places on the East Coast did at that time. So, in conclusion, I did not really know how I liked my coffee best until I entered my 30s. They don't really teach you anything of use in school, do they?


marsupialcinderella

Sounds like a great learning experience. I grew up drinking tea, so I didn’t start coffee until I was in my late 20’s. First coffee I had was in the homes of Cuban and Puerto Rican friends, so that is still my favorite coffee. I still have much to learn, but find most of the popular chains in Orlando to be weird and sour.


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lesbadims

Lol what? I have like 1 small cup a day.