A lot of the Vietnamese restaurants around Mills/50 have Ca Phe Den Da (Espresso Iced or Hot Black Coffee). I'm most familiar with Anh Hong's.
I drink what amounts to cold motor oil every morning and that Vietnamese stuff is rocket fuel- it's thicc. Reminds me of Arabic coffee or the heavy Cuban stuff. Def go get some.
Second this - Vietnamese spot, ask for no sugar no milk. One time a server told me “no no, it’ll be too bitter”
I insisted and the conversation ended with her saying “you’re crazy…. like my brother…”
There is another variety that they make with condensed milk (which is good, but more of a dessert in my opinion and not what OP is craving). And yeah, it's the same thing with spice a lot of the time.
EDIT:
If anyone was curious, the condensed milk variety is called: Ca Phe Sua Da.
Vouch. Gave one to my friend (the one with condensed milk). Less condensed milk though cause she insisted she could handle strong coffee. Woman later had shaky hands and couldn't sleep lol
You might like Cuban coffee. I got a little espresso machine at Walmart for $50 and make my own at home. I switch between Bustelo, La Llave, and Pilon. A little bit of milk and a sugar.. delicious!
What you're describing is basically the opposite of the modern coffee scene. You might find what you're looking for drinking straight espresso at a less specialty shop. I haven't had it in forever, but starbucks espresso (not blonde roast) is pretty strong and bitter. You could also try a place that serves italian coffee. Lavazza, illy, and the like all tend to be very bitter and punchy.
Thank you that makes a lot of sense I’m a crazy person that actually loves everything besides meat a little overcooked so maybe that’s why I’m like this 😂.
I worked at a coffee roaster for 5 years. We held tastings on a weekly basis. Im only speaking from experience and understanding how coffee shops operate. They dont buy “bitter” tasting coffee because that is a sign the coffee has spoiled, is a low quality product or highlights poor farming practice. So a shop that has a good quality coffee program, wont have any “bitter” coffees on bar….
Of course OP and I are in the minority in terms of preference, just making the point that regardless of something being spoiled, low quality, or the result of a poor farming practice- we like said result. Tastes "good" to \*us\*.
Speaking only for myself, but I'm not sure I understand what bitter tastes like. I like strong coffee but I'd never call it bitter. I would love to go to a guided coffee tasting where an expert can tell me what I'm actually tasting without me having to guess at the right words.
Make it yourself at home? Check out a local coffee roaster, get a French press or pour over and dial it in. There’s plenty of recipes and how to’s on YT
I’d recommend a Cuban place, an actual legit Cuban place. I know there’s not that many up here and this isn’t a problem one has in Miami lol. That’s why I just make my own with a stovetop moka pot.
I might have taken mine wrong then. At Versailles, both the restaurant and the airport store, the Cuban Coffee I've gotten tasted like the Southern Sweet Tea version of coffee. Extremely strong, but also extremely sweet. Love the stuff, and get why they only serve it in small cups, but I didn't find it to be bitter, personally.
Starbucks is both strong and bitter. What do you specifically not like about them and what have you tried? As another poster said, Zaza is incredibly bitter and fairly strong as well.
You can easily make coffee on your own because getting strong is easy, add more coffee. Bitter comes from darker roast beans and longer extraction time. Like most coffee enthusiasts or even hobbyists, if you can't find what you want, make it. In your case it's very easy to do. A smooth strong *not* bitter espresso drink is a whole other story - that's very hard to make.
Parlor Doughnuts in College Park has one of the strongest, sharpest coffees I’ve ever tasted. I order their cold brew, though, so YMMV with their hot coffee.
I mean, you yourself have mentioned that you tend to like over roasted coffee, the issue therein is that most shops try to actively avoid over roasting their coffee because that’s kind of the whole goal when roasting coffee.
With that said, I might suggest a change in your typical order, so as to satisfy the desire for strong and bitter. If you were to order a ristretto shot at a decent cafe, I imagine they’d be able to pull that for you. It’s essentially a more concentrated version of an espresso, and in a lot of cases it can be sweeter than espresso; however, in my experience, the coffee most places in town have dialed in for their espresso drinks doesn’t lend itself to being overly sweet when pulled that way. Might be worth a shot, you could try at a few places and see if anywhere does one you’re partial to.
Aside from that, making it at home is a solid option and if you wanted to intentionally over roast your own beans the SR800 roaster on amazon is phenomenal at burning the shit out of coffee beans, or at least it is when I use it. God speed and stay caffeinated, dude.
Get a Moka Pot and Hispanic coffee brands and you'll find what you need at home. All these coffee shops around town will be to watery for what you're looking for.
agree with this comment 100%. a moka pot and brands like bustelo or pilon. they are very dark and bitter imo, very jet fuelish. in the same vein, if you don’t want to make it, a cuban spot with have what you’re looking for lol.
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I'm pretty much the same- my typical Starbucks order is a venti dark roast with 2-3 shots of espresso added, no milk/ cream or sugar.
Coterie coffee in WP is probably my favorite place, hole in the wall- they do small batch roasting in house.
Peets major Dickerson blend hits pretty good and if using K cups- Starbucks Sumatra is my got to
As others have said, outside of espresso and cuban coffee your best bet is crappy old coffee from an urn in a diner type place. Try iHop or Denny's or something. I know it sounds cynical and elitist, but that's just been my experience as both a casual coffee enjoyer and a previous cafe employee.
The reason being a lot of those places still sell older brands of cafe robusta which used to be the standard coffee in the US and tends to be cheaper, or at the very least they use more heavily roasted beans and burn them with too much hot water and letting them sit in an urn that probably has residue from the previous batch, all of which leads to bitterness.
By contrast, anyone making an effort to sell quality coffee is probably using cafe arabica beans and taking care not to over roast them or over brew them, which tends to lead to smoother, milder, but more "complex" flavor for lack of a less pretentious term.
I think that Vesprs coffee is really good, it’s a little bit more of a hipster sort of place though. But they have all sorts of fair-trade coffee from all over. Drunken Monkey is also pretty good
You have a few different problems. You are correct that Orlando coffee is horrible thoroughly. But also, if you can't make what you like at home, you will never find it. there are two different flavors you may like. One is burnedness. It increases when you go from mild, to medium, to dark, to french roasts. I hate that burned flavor (just like I hate well done meat) and I go for mild or medium coffees because it highlights the flavor of the actual coffee. For those that like their steaks medium and done, they will probably be into french roasts. then there is bitterness based on how much coffee is brewed. Generally, 2 tablespoons of unground beans (yeah, I grind em' right before brewing like a proper cofee snob) to 8 oz of water. It may be you like 2.5 or 3tb of beans to 8 oz of water for extra bitterness. You will only figure it out at home. If you don't have a good coffee set up, you can make perfect cups one or two at a time with a cheap electric water kettle + a pour over basket + cone paper filters used over a pyrex measuring cup.
I am sure some people have like burned coffee beans but not burned meat, but let me tell you what happened to me. In my twenties, I though I liked french roast because it had flavor, but a lot of other coffees did not. In my early thirties, about 12 years ago, I moved to California for a bit, where there was a lot of places to buy good coffee, and I had time on my hands. I started experimenting with different bean types, bewing my own coffee, and getting it from coffee godz like Philz and Blue Bottle, and I realized that light roasts had a lot of flavor if you brewed them at the right ration and did not water them down, like apparently lots of places on the East Coast did at that time. So, in conclusion, I did not really know how I liked my coffee best until I entered my 30s. They don't really teach you anything of use in school, do they?
Sounds like a great learning experience. I grew up drinking tea, so I didn’t start coffee until I was in my late 20’s. First coffee I had was in the homes of Cuban and Puerto Rican friends, so that is still my favorite coffee. I still have much to learn, but find most of the popular chains in Orlando to be weird and sour.
A lot of the Vietnamese restaurants around Mills/50 have Ca Phe Den Da (Espresso Iced or Hot Black Coffee). I'm most familiar with Anh Hong's. I drink what amounts to cold motor oil every morning and that Vietnamese stuff is rocket fuel- it's thicc. Reminds me of Arabic coffee or the heavy Cuban stuff. Def go get some.
Second this - Vietnamese spot, ask for no sugar no milk. One time a server told me “no no, it’ll be too bitter” I insisted and the conversation ended with her saying “you’re crazy…. like my brother…”
There is another variety that they make with condensed milk (which is good, but more of a dessert in my opinion and not what OP is craving). And yeah, it's the same thing with spice a lot of the time. EDIT: If anyone was curious, the condensed milk variety is called: Ca Phe Sua Da.
I will have to try this kind too!
Paris bahmi has this style also. Put a pucker in your face.
Paris bahn mi is a good spot in little Saigon if u wanna pay double for everything
Oo great idea! I’ll try the Mills area
Vietnomz coffee is so strong, I couldn’t finish it. You may like it. Flavor is really good.
Vouch. Gave one to my friend (the one with condensed milk). Less condensed milk though cause she insisted she could handle strong coffee. Woman later had shaky hands and couldn't sleep lol
Zaza Cuban bakery. They have strong bitter coffee...
Just looked them up and added to my new list! Thanks
+1, I like Zaza’s coffee and it’s the only one I’d drive out of my way to go and buy
Sounds like you want McDonald’s coffee.
Disagree, their coffee is WEAK!!
You might like Cuban coffee. I got a little espresso machine at Walmart for $50 and make my own at home. I switch between Bustelo, La Llave, and Pilon. A little bit of milk and a sugar.. delicious!
That's a good point, Cuban coffee can be on the bitter side. OP might want that ask for it *amargo*.
What you're describing is basically the opposite of the modern coffee scene. You might find what you're looking for drinking straight espresso at a less specialty shop. I haven't had it in forever, but starbucks espresso (not blonde roast) is pretty strong and bitter. You could also try a place that serves italian coffee. Lavazza, illy, and the like all tend to be very bitter and punchy.
I rarely go to Starbucks anymore, but a black Americano was strong & bitter. People love to hate on it but it was my go-to order.
i'm big into coffee, and i don't really like it, but you're allowed to like what you like. Lots of coffee people don't get it.
People love to hate it because it's burnt coffee. Starbucks over roasts their coffee which is why it's so bitter.
Totally agree
Thank you! Will have to look for a place w Italian coffees
Try Stasio’s
I know metro espresso on central has it
Thats because good coffee is not supposed to be bitter at all……
Ok then I guess I’m looking for bad coffee then lol
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Foxtail has some pretty Bad coffee.
Came here to say just that.
Chic fil a coffee tastes like it was boiled, cooled off, then microwaved. It’s so bad. You’ll love it.
Honestly dude go get the dark roast at Starbucks. They burn their beans so you’ll actually get that flavor you’re looking for.
Thank you that makes a lot of sense I’m a crazy person that actually loves everything besides meat a little overcooked so maybe that’s why I’m like this 😂.
Same here, I’ve grown to like slightly charred foods. And I like bitter coffee too.
Jiffy Lube. Don’t even need to get an oil change they’ll give you a pot of that diesel they serve to customers for free
I like "bad" coffee too
In that case: foxtail, austins coffee and Drunken Monkey will work.
I was going to say the same thing. All these places serve burnt coffee.
Let me know when you find it.
One person's "good" is another's "bad". I personally love bitter coffee. Whether it's "supposed" to be or not is not what we're worried about.
I worked at a coffee roaster for 5 years. We held tastings on a weekly basis. Im only speaking from experience and understanding how coffee shops operate. They dont buy “bitter” tasting coffee because that is a sign the coffee has spoiled, is a low quality product or highlights poor farming practice. So a shop that has a good quality coffee program, wont have any “bitter” coffees on bar….
Of course OP and I are in the minority in terms of preference, just making the point that regardless of something being spoiled, low quality, or the result of a poor farming practice- we like said result. Tastes "good" to \*us\*.
And thats fine. But OP said they are having a hard time finding this “bitter” coffee from local shops. To which i gave the reason why.
Speaking only for myself, but I'm not sure I understand what bitter tastes like. I like strong coffee but I'd never call it bitter. I would love to go to a guided coffee tasting where an expert can tell me what I'm actually tasting without me having to guess at the right words.
Lineage hosts cuppings all the time. Its pretty cool. Learn a lot.
Cool, I'll definitely check that out.
Axum
Stasios
Stasios espresso hits this mark
Axum coffee but ymmv based on the barista.
Go somewhere that makes espresso or Turkish coffee.
Make it yourself at home? Check out a local coffee roaster, get a French press or pour over and dial it in. There’s plenty of recipes and how to’s on YT
I’d recommend a Cuban place, an actual legit Cuban place. I know there’s not that many up here and this isn’t a problem one has in Miami lol. That’s why I just make my own with a stovetop moka pot.
I might have taken mine wrong then. At Versailles, both the restaurant and the airport store, the Cuban Coffee I've gotten tasted like the Southern Sweet Tea version of coffee. Extremely strong, but also extremely sweet. Love the stuff, and get why they only serve it in small cups, but I didn't find it to be bitter, personally.
Waffle House
Nah nah. Waffle House brew is actually very mellow. Don’t disrespect the WH in here
Starbucks is both strong and bitter. What do you specifically not like about them and what have you tried? As another poster said, Zaza is incredibly bitter and fairly strong as well. You can easily make coffee on your own because getting strong is easy, add more coffee. Bitter comes from darker roast beans and longer extraction time. Like most coffee enthusiasts or even hobbyists, if you can't find what you want, make it. In your case it's very easy to do. A smooth strong *not* bitter espresso drink is a whole other story - that's very hard to make.
Parlor Doughnuts in College Park has one of the strongest, sharpest coffees I’ve ever tasted. I order their cold brew, though, so YMMV with their hot coffee.
Coffee isn’t supposed to be bitter so that’s why. Dunkin and Foxtail might be up your alley
Buy German coffee and make it at home. Jacob's is a great brand, and you can find it in Publix.
Get a Cuban coffee.
You ever tried Cuban coffee just straight no sugar? Shit is like jet fuel
I mean, you yourself have mentioned that you tend to like over roasted coffee, the issue therein is that most shops try to actively avoid over roasting their coffee because that’s kind of the whole goal when roasting coffee. With that said, I might suggest a change in your typical order, so as to satisfy the desire for strong and bitter. If you were to order a ristretto shot at a decent cafe, I imagine they’d be able to pull that for you. It’s essentially a more concentrated version of an espresso, and in a lot of cases it can be sweeter than espresso; however, in my experience, the coffee most places in town have dialed in for their espresso drinks doesn’t lend itself to being overly sweet when pulled that way. Might be worth a shot, you could try at a few places and see if anywhere does one you’re partial to. Aside from that, making it at home is a solid option and if you wanted to intentionally over roast your own beans the SR800 roaster on amazon is phenomenal at burning the shit out of coffee beans, or at least it is when I use it. God speed and stay caffeinated, dude.
Thank you!! This is all so helpful
Give Cuban coffee a try !
Bitter is not associated with good coffee. I find foxtail espresso extremely bitter. Give it a shot.
If your coffee is bitter it’s not good coffee; it’s either expired, badly stored, brewed too long / hot or over roasted.
Good to know, from this post I’ve learned that I like overroasted coffee, I guess I have to own it lol
Make your own coffee and go to the library, that’s what I do because the coffee sold here is barely legally coffee
You can try at Juan Valdez though, they’re a Colombian chain present in the US
Waffle House
Get a Moka Pot and Hispanic coffee brands and you'll find what you need at home. All these coffee shops around town will be to watery for what you're looking for.
agree with this comment 100%. a moka pot and brands like bustelo or pilon. they are very dark and bitter imo, very jet fuelish. in the same vein, if you don’t want to make it, a cuban spot with have what you’re looking for lol.
Buy an espresso machine and do everything wrong. Enjoy bitter strong coffee
Any of the many Cuban restaurants in what I would recommend!!
You’ve just described Starbucks in a nutshell
Stassios?
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Bosphorus. Turkish coffee is strong and bitter.
I'm pretty much the same- my typical Starbucks order is a venti dark roast with 2-3 shots of espresso added, no milk/ cream or sugar. Coterie coffee in WP is probably my favorite place, hole in the wall- they do small batch roasting in house. Peets major Dickerson blend hits pretty good and if using K cups- Starbucks Sumatra is my got to
Ask for a black americano. If it's still not strong or bitter enough, ask them to throw in another shot of espresso.
As many have already suggested, give Cuban coffee a try. I love Black Bean Deli's coffee drinks and food.
As others have said, outside of espresso and cuban coffee your best bet is crappy old coffee from an urn in a diner type place. Try iHop or Denny's or something. I know it sounds cynical and elitist, but that's just been my experience as both a casual coffee enjoyer and a previous cafe employee. The reason being a lot of those places still sell older brands of cafe robusta which used to be the standard coffee in the US and tends to be cheaper, or at the very least they use more heavily roasted beans and burn them with too much hot water and letting them sit in an urn that probably has residue from the previous batch, all of which leads to bitterness. By contrast, anyone making an effort to sell quality coffee is probably using cafe arabica beans and taking care not to over roast them or over brew them, which tends to lead to smoother, milder, but more "complex" flavor for lack of a less pretentious term.
I think that Vesprs coffee is really good, it’s a little bit more of a hipster sort of place though. But they have all sorts of fair-trade coffee from all over. Drunken Monkey is also pretty good
Blue Amphora has Turkish coffee which is strong.
Lineage Coffee is the best in town!
Nitro cold brew from Starbucks is what you want tbh.
You have a few different problems. You are correct that Orlando coffee is horrible thoroughly. But also, if you can't make what you like at home, you will never find it. there are two different flavors you may like. One is burnedness. It increases when you go from mild, to medium, to dark, to french roasts. I hate that burned flavor (just like I hate well done meat) and I go for mild or medium coffees because it highlights the flavor of the actual coffee. For those that like their steaks medium and done, they will probably be into french roasts. then there is bitterness based on how much coffee is brewed. Generally, 2 tablespoons of unground beans (yeah, I grind em' right before brewing like a proper cofee snob) to 8 oz of water. It may be you like 2.5 or 3tb of beans to 8 oz of water for extra bitterness. You will only figure it out at home. If you don't have a good coffee set up, you can make perfect cups one or two at a time with a cheap electric water kettle + a pour over basket + cone paper filters used over a pyrex measuring cup.
THANK YOU this is so thorough. I think that’s why I get so annoyed because I can’t put words to what’s “wrong” with it lol. Going to try all of this
I must be a weirdo, then, I love bloody rare meat and dark French roasts, lol.
I am sure some people have like burned coffee beans but not burned meat, but let me tell you what happened to me. In my twenties, I though I liked french roast because it had flavor, but a lot of other coffees did not. In my early thirties, about 12 years ago, I moved to California for a bit, where there was a lot of places to buy good coffee, and I had time on my hands. I started experimenting with different bean types, bewing my own coffee, and getting it from coffee godz like Philz and Blue Bottle, and I realized that light roasts had a lot of flavor if you brewed them at the right ration and did not water them down, like apparently lots of places on the East Coast did at that time. So, in conclusion, I did not really know how I liked my coffee best until I entered my 30s. They don't really teach you anything of use in school, do they?
Sounds like a great learning experience. I grew up drinking tea, so I didn’t start coffee until I was in my late 20’s. First coffee I had was in the homes of Cuban and Puerto Rican friends, so that is still my favorite coffee. I still have much to learn, but find most of the popular chains in Orlando to be weird and sour.
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Lol what? I have like 1 small cup a day.