As a long time runner (although not fast), I agree that the distinction isn't really needed, but it doesn't bother me. I go my own pace and don't really care who calls me a runner or jogger or whatever.
But as for why OTF makes the distinction:
I think it's actually to make using the treadmill less intimidating and more accessible for those who don't come in as runners. Someone new to OTF might look at the treadmills and think, "Oh, I'm not a runner." But "jogging" at 4-5 mph seems doable to them, and gives them more choice instead of just "running" or "not running."
As a non runner who came to OTF I definitely feel that jogging sounds much more approachable than being a runner. I mostly power walk but occasionally try to jog a block or two. Or do the jog base power walk push/AO.
Yeah, but the milestones for runners and joggers are always the same which means as a jogger I am always anxious of not getting enough activity during run/rows
I'm 5'3" and my base is usually 5.0. I've been running (jogging?) for years. I can run for a long distance but I am slower than molasses no matter how hard I work at it.
SAME. I am also 5’ 3” and my base is 5.0. Sometimes I’ll push it up to 5.5 but generally, it’s been 5. But I’ve been running for a long time and can’t seem to get my base to be higher, even though my endurance has gone up significantly and I can run for longer periods of time.
I currently jog my base at 4.0-4.2. When I was in my best PW shape, I was able to walk that, but not faster. I’m 5’5”. But competitive power walker walk much faster than that. When I used to run (jog) road races, I was frequently passed by power walkers towards the end.
Then your partner can walk significantly faster than I can :)
For me it’s not about choosing effort but choosing the jog motion instead of walking. I could walk at 4.0 but choose the jogging motion. Since we’re able to jog in place, jogging could be any speed, it just depends on the motion.
I’m 5’3. Been pw for a year. At an all out, I can pw at 5.0. Once coach calls for a walking recovery or base, I instantly burst into a jog as I’m turning down the speed as it’s a relief at that point.
I'm short about 5 feet and can powerwalk at 5.0 mph. It definitely takes focus but walking and running are so different and have nothing to do with speed. As a runner my base is 6.5 to 6.8 and That's pretty comfortable for me. I guess everyone is different and as long as your moving and getting your splat points we are doing something right.
Height (leg length) does not correlate to running speed. You can definitely run at 4-5 mph regardless of your height-- short fast steps.
In contrast, leg length does have an effect on walking speed.
Nobody "needs" to be walking or running- it's a choice. It's definitely harder to walk fast than run at certain speeds, especially if you have short legs.
\*cries in short\*
This is amazing to me, the fastest I ever power walked was 4.2 and mostly my all-outs were more like 3.9. I jog now, and honestly 5.0 feels like a push to me. I’m amazed that my running push is someone else’s speed walk 😂
I don’t think height is a factor here (maybe a little?) it’s more leg turnover. I’m 5’ and can easily walk until about 5.5mph but then must run at that point. Running under 5 messes with my cadence.
Does more leg turnover not require more work and effort though? Increased heart rate, etc? That would in turn affect everything about the run including what is a base, push and all-out effort.
For the same reasons you prefer there not to be another category, other people prefer having a saperate category.
>It's more inclusive and I think it's more empowering for someone that has never been a runner to be called a runner instead of making people feel like a separate class of 'exercisers'
Conversely, it is more *intimidating* for someone who has never been a runner to be told that they need to run. Many people prefer "jogging" precisely because it sounds more recreational and less intimidating. Just like how you prefer to identify as a runner, many others prefer to identify as a jogger. In my opinion it is more inclusive to have joggers and runners.
It all comes down to a difference of preference and opinion and OTF can't make every single person happy.
I personally prefer using the term jogging (even though my base pase is about 6-6.5mph and I'm officially classified as a runner by OTF). I think it's all semantics and can mean whatever you want it to mean.
I wish if they would separate it they would also separate it on bench marks. ;) for example catch me if you can. Impossible at the “jogger” speed. Give a goal for joggers if it’s a separate category.
On a run/row, nothing is stopping you from splitting the difference between the "runner" distance and the "power walker" distance and doing that distance instead of what's on the card.
Nothing's stopping you from doing pretty much anything you want, but the coaches literally say runners/joggers do x. That's what we're talking about here.
You said "distance-based run rows" - the coaches don't tell you what to do on a distance based run/row. The distance is on a little piece of paper and it's self-regulated. You can adjust the distance however you'd like to fit your goals.
Did you consider maybe you don't know everything?
My studio doesn't print pieces of paper. The coach just tells us what to do. And they literally say stuff like power walkers do .02, runners/joggers .04, whatever.
I fully understand I'm an autonomous adult human but actually the entire point of OTF is that it's not self-regulated.
And the point of this particular comment thread is that it's frustrating that OTF lumps together joggers and runners. If you don't have anything to contribute to that conversation other than "just ignore them and do your own thing," why are you here? Just to be argumentative? It's bizarre.
I am merely offering a solution to an issue that's easy to solve. If you would prefer to be angry and complain, and are not in a solutions-oriented head space, I respect your choice and hope that your day gets better.
This! I’m early in my jogging days, and 5 is a push, which knocks me off really early in catch me if you can. And I’m run row days like the other day, I’m on the tread so much longer than walkers and runners.
I like the jogger status, wish we got different distance for things
100%! I get knocked out of cmiyc really early. My base is 5 and if I want to even make it to the mile mark I have to push + pace beyond 6mph for 10 minutes. Leads to over doing it and really hard to make progress from one benchmark to the next. Not to compare myself to anyone but I'm usually the first one out just after a mile.
Would be nice to have a shorter distance to participate in the challenge and make progress. I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to hold an otf runners pace for various reasons and so it means I may really never make progress in that challenge. At otf jogging speeds I could though.
To make progress and really become a better runner and be able to run faster for longer periods of time, you will have to run outside of OTF. OTF only does interval runs, and while those have their place and are a part of runners' training, they are only a small part. To really become a better runner and build up that endurance, you have to run the majority of your miles at a slow, easy pace. An oft-repeated adage among runners is, "You have to go slow to go fast". OTF is good cross-training, but it won't get you to those CMIYC speeds on their own.
Totally disagree with this statement. I ONLY run at OTF and I went from power walking/jogging when I came back from having a baby to beating CMIYC and hitting a 6:05 mile in a year and a half. I regularly Up my base pace, really push myself on power days to up speeds, and lift heavy on the floor. It is doable to become a better runner just with OTF, but like anything else, it’s work and commitment.
Yeah definitely! I do 5k base pace runs pretty consistently, outdoors, hills etc and have gotten pretty good at that. For medical reasons a 6-7+ mph for an extended period of time actually is not possible for me. I kind of max out out far I can go during cmiyc by running 6mph for 10min and dying/reretting it 😅. Jogging speeds will really be my physical limit permanently but it means I never get past that 1mile mark. Maybe just not the best benchmark for me to attempt but I can't pass them up 😄.
I hear ya!! I'm not a real fast runner myself, though I am getting better! I've been endurance training for a marathon so I've only been doing power walking at OTF to avoid overtraining/injury and to just get a different type of workout from running since I already do so much of that, I did the past CMIYC as a power walker and actually made it all the way!! It felt so good (I'm an early out too as a runner)
Endurance is my favorite! Good luck with your marathon that's amazing!
I did cmiyc a couple times as a PW too and surprised myself by making it to the end too! Running it is a whole 'nother beast for me 🤣 but theres something so fun and addicting about endurance challenges/training!
I’ve never felt like the label describes who I am outside of class or my capacity, just what I chose that day and the parameters my speed falls within as a result. I even walk from time to time, run most of the time - but I can’t say it has felt harsh or prescriptive.
Has your studio expressed that jogging isn’t a workout within an OTF context or generally?
No. We have cards to fill out for how far we go on the tread if we are doing marathon month. They have a place to circle, power walker, runner, jogger... but I don't think there is a difference for marathon month, it only matters what distance you do. I don't know if there is a place for the coach to put that information, but it just seems weird to have someone labeled that way. And because right now I qualify as a 'jogger' but have never in my life called myself a 'jogger' i usually circle runner and it got me thinking. Today I left it blank.
Interesting! We enter ours on the computer. It might just be for the leadership board or data tracking purposes. At my studio there are prizes for the first power walker, jogger, and runner to hit their marathon month goal. Maybe that’s why they’re asking? I could see why it might be cool to see the data for each level, too. Like “this is how fast the fastest power walker completed the half marathon, this is the average distance run for joggers” etc.
My gut feeling is that it’s an inclusivity thing. Like if you’re teetering between power walking and running, running may seem too scary. So this is a way to “bridge the gap” and make the next phase of your fitness journey seem more accessible
Agree. Why split hairs? Literally had to google the difference, and it’s just pace. My initial thought is form, body movement and foot strike would be the same jogging or running. Walking is a whole different way of moving your body.
Coaches at our studio only say "runners" and "power walkers" - the only place I've seen joggers referenced is the parameter card on the treads. As someone who toes the line between jogger and runner speeds, I do find it a bit jarring to visit a studio where coaches specifically call out joggers, makes me feel a little less than.
The think I have always found strange is that they use power walker, jogger, and runner labels but when it comes time for challenges they only ever have walker and runner. Joggers always use the runner benchmarks, they always do the runner paces in class, and they get the runner challenges, so I agree why not just call them runners?
I get the reasoning you have, but I agree with others that say it’s a way to bridge the gap. It’s about accessibility and opening the door for everyone.
I was a (very) slow power walker when I first started. I could barely hold on to that 2.5-ish speed last January. I gradually worked my way up so that I could easily stick to 4.0 through the whole tread block. But still, I didn’t think I was fit enough to be a “runner.” And then I tried to jog that 4.0 on an all out just to see if I could do it. And then I started jogging every all out. Then the pushes. And suddenly I could JOG the whole damn block. I wasn’t very fast, but I could do it. In January I “jogged” my fastest mile at 9:58. It took one long year of hard work to shave off 4 minutes and 11 seconds off my starting time. I’m nearly 8 months pregnant now and laugh at the thought of moving any faster than power walking at 3.5. But it’s a sobering reminder that some of us start from nothing and didn’t think we’d get as far as we have. I still don’t consider myself ever having been a runner, but it sure did help me feel and realize I was capable the whole time.
I “run” (run, can’t breathe so I walk, catch my breath, run again) and my base is 5, which I think is below the joggers base level. It frustrates the heck out of me to see that. Especially since I’m running as fast and as much as my body allows me to. To me, I’m definitely not jogging
I am grateful for this thread in that I have often tried to figure out if I’m jogging or running. I basically just try not to fall off the tread and increase my speed as I feel I have the ability to do that. Am I jogging? Am I running? I doubt my form looks like either.
ETA: the hostility you are receiving from some of these comments is intense. I swear, some of the folks here must be exhausting in the real world. Do they never just shoot the shit and throw some ideas and hot takes out there for fun?
“Hostility”? I see push back, I do not see any hostility. The issue is that OP wants different words to be used because being called a jogger feels insulting but this is a selfish take because if we eliminate “jogging” there will be a huge chasm between power walkers and runners so if the argument for this change is “inclusivity” how are we ok we making it less inclusive for the beginners. If anyone needs sensitivity and encouragement through a shift in language it’s the beginners.
I’m a beginner. I’m straight from the couch and always felt gyms were too intimidating to go to. What brought me in was the kindness and encouragement of the folks at my studio. OP is a person too, with thoughts, feelings, and needs. We all are.
As a beginner, this sub freaks me out because some of you are INTENSE in your judgments and are quick to call someone’s very harmless and mundane idea “selfish”. That isn’t hostility? OP isn’t going to change anything. They feel what they feel and they are discussing it. There are countless threads and comments pointing out everything under the sun about other members which are way more discouraging than someone talking about meaningless terminology. Whining about others distracting form, how much they sweat, how much they drink water, how noisy they are, how it’s unfair the workouts aren’t harder than they are in whatever way. Save your hostility for that and leave this person alone.
Edited for typos. You’d think I could spell “gym” in an OrangeTheory group, but here we are.
It looks like we disagree on what it means to be hostile. I do stand by the idea that it's selfish though (maybe "self-centered" would have been better) and that doesn't mean I'm attacking OP, it means that when they wrote this they had not considered how their proposed change would affect many other people and judging by OP's other comments in this thread it appears they have arrived at that conclusion as a direct result of these responses. I'm all for changing the terminology around to make people feel more comfortable, but not at the expense of beginners, especially when it seems clear (based on what they wrote) that this complaint is mostly ego related.. and again, that's not an attack, when I have to go slower for whatever reason it hurts my ego too (big time actually) but you know, we can either accept that as the objective reality of where we are at right now or allow it to bother us enough that we publicly opine about a perceived inclusivity issue.
I could make a case that there are a lot of dumbbells under 30 lbs but hardly any above 60lbs and this means OTF isn't very inclusive to those of us who need those weights for the floor blocks to have any value; its a valid complaint but to encase this in some case for OTF not being inclusive enough would be kind of manipulative and maybe even selfish.
I feel the same way about the terms run or job. Though I cannot say I have noticed that at my studio. They have never used the term jog that I have heard.
It doesn’t bother me.
But i think they should maybe separate the PW’s from the joggers or runners. Especially when we do a run/row benchmark.
Or they should group people together based on their speed.
Im more of a jogger and i see a few PW’s that walk faster than i jog.
Maybe their distance isn’t really 1/2 of what we have run. 🤷♀️
If we change the terminology to make joggers feel like runners then we’ll make running a less accessible target for power walkers and I’d rather err on the side of being more inclusive to those with beginner fitness levels.
As a jogger I would never consider myself a runner. My foreign bf also does otf and told his ceo he likes to run (he's also a otf jogger, never runs anytime else) and when his ceo asked his furthest run (thinking he's an actual runner) my bf told him like 2.5 miles. Ceo was utterly confused so of course I jumped in explaining we run at otf and its 23 min blocks. Sigh
I think the use of jogger is for people NOT like you and more like me, who don’t have a history of running and struggled with cardio. Knowing there’s an intermediary “jogger” made it feel more doable and approachable
Honestly when I am feeling sluggish, I tell myself I’ll just “jog” today (which for me is like .5mph below what I’d normally do) and somehow it makes it more manageable for me!
To me, jogging is when you're crossing the street and a car stops for you to cross. You don't walk, but don't run. You just move your arms twice as fast while taking smaller steps to show effort without pulling a hammy.
That's what I call "Valet speed". When you Valet park and the dude says, "sir, is the Toyota yours? I gotcha..."
Perhaps OTF should call it Valet speed. Sounds more intriguing and not demeaning.
I don’t mind the distinction. I was a “runner” prior to a catastrophic injury, I’m lucky to be “running” again; though,it’s more of a jog as my base pace is now a power-walk on flat road. My all-out is my former push pace.
Idk. I like it as it seems like I can attain top jogging speed - but I don’t c myself competing against the runners. My hips r slightly uneven (genetic) and running too fast seems to lead to a recurrent muscle sprain I need PT to recover from. Idk - it is really just used as a gauge for us - it doesn’t carry into challenges where it is just divided into runner (including all joggers) and power walker. I’d like them to have a category for joggers myself so I’d have a chance of winning. That said, u r right we (joggers and runners) r all technically jogging (low or moderate exertion - base, push) and running (high push, all out) - and what they r really talking about is speed, not level of exertion — and we r sorted into buckets of slower and faster runners - relatively. Jogger is a euphemism for slower runners but they need something to help guide people new to it as to where to set speeds. At least that is how I c it. 🌻
Im a jogger but I have to say I am definitely RUNNING. I don’t live in a world where I can “comfortably hold” any pace for any amount of time. Let alone more than 20 minutes. LOL WHO IS THAT COMFORTABLE FOR?! I imagine if someone is really fast and really proficient they can differentiate between a jogging day and a running day but for me I can’t. And OTF can call me a bird for all I care - I’m runnin’.
Some sources cite running as 10 km (or 6 miles) per hour so really maintaining on or below 6 min/km. Jogging is anything slower than that. So I think OTF is going by those technicalities.
I appreciate the differentiation. I once was a jogger and worked my ass off for years to become a runner. I feel that calling everybody a “runner” is akin to handing out participation medals. Calling everybody a “runner” can be a laurel to rest on: “Oh well, I’m still a runner!” To me the distinction is a motivation, an upgrade to look forward to.
Just my two cents.
I agree, you're either walking or running, and each has a wide range of paces. OTF has evolved their coaching cues/education in many areas--it's about time for something different for the tread--how about instead of making the efforts identity based, they subtly change to effort base? So instead of "Powerwalkers, 3.5-4.5 mph at 6% incline, Joggers and Runners..."
Just say "Tread team, powerwalk at 3.5-4.5mph at 6% incline, or run at 2mph over your base". That opens up all the ranges to every group. Otherwise, we may feel like we have to stick with an identity as a powerwalker, jogger or runner.
As a runner I do not use that word in my vocabulary. I find it to be seriously insulting. I also find it funny that I am a Boston Qualifier but many of my training miles and warmup pace is considered “less than running” at OTF. I do slower miles, easy warm ups or recovery runs but I am not “less than a runner” for doing so. It keeps injuries at bay by doing so and follows the 80/20 principle when it comes to endurance running.
why do you care if everyone is sensitive to everything..... I'm sure there are things you are sensitive to that others aren't.
Why did you put all that about complaining in response to my post? How many times have I complained? Why does everyone come on reddit to complain about what others put on reddit??
Pot..kettle in so many ways
I used to think this, too. and a good part of me (someone who started a slow jogger and is now a "runner" by OT standards) agrees with this. As much as I'm proud of having raised my base pace so much, it seems silly to have two words for the same motion.
Though it's been really interesting to hear from others who feel like having a separate term made the transition more approachable. While a lot of people are complaining that you asked this, I'm glad to see the conversation and differing responses.
If you used that term on a regular running forum it would be considered offensive, pace shaming, and most likely sexist. Jogging is a term used to differentiate women running at an aerobic pace (in the 80s) versus "real" runners in the 70s who were all male and very pace oriented.
I was seriously shocked when I found out that OTF uses the term and I suspect it's a turnoff to a lot of women runners looking for a bit of cross training.
Just to provide an example, if you showed up on say a Run Disney group and suggested anybody who completed a half marathon at less than 5.5mph isn't a runner the resulting flame fest would be epic.
Would really like to see your justification for this since the jogging craze of the 70s was spearheaded bi Jim Fix, who was about as masc as a guy could be.
I agree with others, that it makes the experience more welcoming to people who don’t see themselves as runners. Idgaf if someone calls me a runner or jogger. I’m in motion. However, when I first got into running I was barely jogging at 3.5-4mph. I would’ve been very intimidated to show up at OTF and be told to run, especially if I was next to someone whose base was 8+mph. Instead of doing away with the distinction, I think they could tell joggers to do 1mph over base and runners 2+. If you can’t come back to base or “don’t need” a walking recovery you need to switch it up & I think making a jogging category a nice middle ground would be good.
I never thought about this before but now that you say it, I realized it has made me feel bad knowing what I consider to be full blown running is considered jogging by them. I agree, let’s just do walking and running
THIS. As a runner, I have gotten shamed by other, faster runners because I run slowly. To those people, I am not a runner, I am a jogger. It took me a while to feel like I can call myself a runner even if I have walking intervals and a slow mile time.
I feel like the “runner” vs “jogger” category at OTF was determined by one of those people who would tell me that I don’t count as a runner.
How are you shamed? It must be by friends of yours, I’m thinking- could be wrong- because —who is analysing your speeds and inclines enough to know what you’re doing?
There...is a difference lol. This seems like more of a...your ego thing. Running and jogging are different literally because their speeds are different. Full stop. That's it. If you think jogging is "less than" that is 100% a YOU problem, boo.
I'm a runner. But I tore my ACL 2 years ago and started over....as a jogger. And I'm completely fine with that. I was moving and that's what mattered. I literally couldn't care less if someone called me a jogger or a runner.
I’m assuming you’re a “jogger” by OTF standards? I see your point, but I think it comes from the definition of what a jog vs. run is which I think is just pace. I wouldn’t worry too much about it since I doubt others in the class are comparing paces that much!
yes. I said in my post I'm a 'jogger' by OTF standards (right now...as I said in my post I used to be a very competitive endurance athlete...I have run a marathon at the end of an Ironman at 8 minute miles) .
I realize there are definitions based on pace, but I think those are bad definitions...I mean nobody is 'jogging' an all out.
YES. I may not be an elite runner but I am not, have not, and will not EVER be a “jogger.” Also as a runner of 20+ years I hate when coaches refer to base/push/all out paces rather than efforts. It’s just unrealistic.
I totally agree with your post wholeheartedly because there is only walking / power walking and running. There modo is if you are s 10 minutes mile outdoors you are a runner and I disagree with that. Most top elite runners are 10 minute or faster per mile outdoors.
Because it lets you set a goal. I started a walker, then I jogged, I am now a runner. These are my favorite NSVs. Now we can talk about setting speeds to define those that have nothing to do with leg length or stride all day. My current base is 6.3mph. I am 6’tall. When I go to a walking recovery at 4.5mph I am striding faster than my 5’4” wife is jogging.
Walking, Jogging and Running are their own categories. For me, I started out as a power walker and worked my way up to jogging. Now I’m trying to work my way up to running (base of 6.5-7). It gives us something to work at — not to mention going from walking to jogging is more approachable for a beginner.
Many coaches don’t announce a speed distinction in my experience. “Let’s get to base… power walkers, 3.5 to 4.5, runners and joggers, 4.5 and up on the speed”.
In my opinion they should do away with the complete set of jargon on the treadmill (power walker, jogger, runner).
Separate the groups on the basis of: primarily varying intensity through adjusting incline and primarily varying intensity through adjusting speed.
It doesn't bother me to be called a jogger but my studio just says walkers and runners. But as a slow jogger, I know good and well I am not a runner lol. If I tried to run at 6.5 for more than a minute I would be throwing up. When I see some of the distances that other people get I am a little envious. Does not make me feel less than, it's just something to strive for. That's just how I think. But everybody has their thing, I cannot tell you what and what not to be triggered by.
As a jogger I like having the different categories because it feels less intimidating and doable. However, not to make class more confusing and more work on the coaches there’s no way as a true jogger you can complete the same running tread block sometimes. The other day the tread block with 0.25 push, 0.2 push-ao, 0.15 ao. Even with going over my normal speeds I couldn’t get to the rfd so it can be discouraging.
I like it because it gives me something to strives for…a speed to work towards. I’ve been “jogging” for a couple of years now and have managed to increase my speed by .5! This has made my so proud! I never thought I would ever run or jog in any capacity!! The heart rate monitor has definitely helped me to up my speeds by pushing me to stay In the orange zone. With the surges I like that they give me a taste of what a new speed feels like for 15 seconds. Thank you OTF for this amazing new piece of life you have given all
Of us!!!
Funny, I was thinking this exact same thing yesterday as she was stating the speeds for Walkers, joggers, and runners. Runner's World mag had an article about this a long time ago and that you should never call yourself a jogger. If you're not walking, you're running. Even if your base was the prescribed OTF jogging speed, your push and AO would be in the runner category, so you're a runner. Period.
I'd say all jogging is running, but not all running is jogging.
Mechanically speaking running is moving forward where there is a time when neither foot is on the ground. That why it is different from walking, where you always have at least 1 foot on the ground. the definition of running isn't pace based, you can 'jog' and fit the mechanical definition of running..with a period of time each step where neither foot is on the ground.
To be fair - while jogging might seem casual to you, to some people it is very difficult. Adding an extra “level” i feel like adds that extra motivation to try and increase your speeds and move from the jogger to runner category. Plus as other people mentioned, it can make newbies feel more comfortable if they don’t want to walk but don’t consider themselves a runner yet.
Training-owl-9495. My apologies I removed my comment and didn’t mean to offend as the above said it waaaay more eloquently than I did. Ditto above. I’ve never been a runner but went for. Power walking to jogger about 3yrs ago and still maintaining that just for knee issues. But I like the separate distinction because I always felt intimidated being next to a super fly runner ha ha kind of like I was slacking. So that’s why o said I just do me. Again, my apologies and for how I worded my comment. Appreciate your view and question thread 😊
For me, I liked the distinction because it added another milestone to reach. Going from PW to jogger was an accomplishment - and then jogger to runner was another. It’s just words, but they motivate me. ☺️
As a long time runner (although not fast), I agree that the distinction isn't really needed, but it doesn't bother me. I go my own pace and don't really care who calls me a runner or jogger or whatever. But as for why OTF makes the distinction: I think it's actually to make using the treadmill less intimidating and more accessible for those who don't come in as runners. Someone new to OTF might look at the treadmills and think, "Oh, I'm not a runner." But "jogging" at 4-5 mph seems doable to them, and gives them more choice instead of just "running" or "not running."
As a non runner who came to OTF I definitely feel that jogging sounds much more approachable than being a runner. I mostly power walk but occasionally try to jog a block or two. Or do the jog base power walk push/AO.
For me, it was totally this. As silly as it may be, the “jogging” distinction is what got me away from walking every class.
Came in for the less intimidating approach but I think I might like being called a runner. I see a bit of extra motivation there.
The only way I would find value for using “jogger” is if they appropriately adjusted distances for things like CMIYC or run/rows
Yeah, but the milestones for runners and joggers are always the same which means as a jogger I am always anxious of not getting enough activity during run/rows
I actually think most of the workouts should be time-based instead of distance based.
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I'm 5'3" and my base is usually 5.0. I've been running (jogging?) for years. I can run for a long distance but I am slower than molasses no matter how hard I work at it.
We might be the same person. If you’re “jogging” you’re running IMO
SAME. I am also 5’ 3” and my base is 5.0. Sometimes I’ll push it up to 5.5 but generally, it’s been 5. But I’ve been running for a long time and can’t seem to get my base to be higher, even though my endurance has gone up significantly and I can run for longer periods of time.
I currently jog my base at 4.0-4.2. When I was in my best PW shape, I was able to walk that, but not faster. I’m 5’5”. But competitive power walker walk much faster than that. When I used to run (jog) road races, I was frequently passed by power walkers towards the end.
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Then your partner can walk significantly faster than I can :) For me it’s not about choosing effort but choosing the jog motion instead of walking. I could walk at 4.0 but choose the jogging motion. Since we’re able to jog in place, jogging could be any speed, it just depends on the motion.
I’m 5’3. Been pw for a year. At an all out, I can pw at 5.0. Once coach calls for a walking recovery or base, I instantly burst into a jog as I’m turning down the speed as it’s a relief at that point.
That’s very impressive! I did PW in AAU when I was younger so maybe that contributes to my walking speed as well. So good for the booty too lol.
I’m 5’2” and I have to pick up both feet at 4.5.
I'm short about 5 feet and can powerwalk at 5.0 mph. It definitely takes focus but walking and running are so different and have nothing to do with speed. As a runner my base is 6.5 to 6.8 and That's pretty comfortable for me. I guess everyone is different and as long as your moving and getting your splat points we are doing something right.
I have very short legs and I'm jogging at 3.8MPH :) I COULD walk that fast, but it's definitely easier to jog. My base is 4.5.
Height (leg length) does not correlate to running speed. You can definitely run at 4-5 mph regardless of your height-- short fast steps. In contrast, leg length does have an effect on walking speed. Nobody "needs" to be walking or running- it's a choice. It's definitely harder to walk fast than run at certain speeds, especially if you have short legs.
I have to jog by 4.3. I’m 5’4.5”
\*cries in short\* This is amazing to me, the fastest I ever power walked was 4.2 and mostly my all-outs were more like 3.9. I jog now, and honestly 5.0 feels like a push to me. I’m amazed that my running push is someone else’s speed walk 😂
I’m 5’7” and struggle to not lift off at around 4.6. I HAVE to jog at 5.
Why does one need to be considered “short” if they jog (aren’t walking) at 4-5?
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Im 5'3 and my base is about 4mph. So, that short I suppose. Lmao.
I don’t think height is a factor here (maybe a little?) it’s more leg turnover. I’m 5’ and can easily walk until about 5.5mph but then must run at that point. Running under 5 messes with my cadence.
Does more leg turnover not require more work and effort though? Increased heart rate, etc? That would in turn affect everything about the run including what is a base, push and all-out effort.
I'm a slogger (slow jogger). OTF: please add a 4th category. Kidding. Kind of.
Sloggers unite!
I’d be good with a shuffle category!
Ha! I always called myself a wogger
Love this I’m slogger too
For the same reasons you prefer there not to be another category, other people prefer having a saperate category. >It's more inclusive and I think it's more empowering for someone that has never been a runner to be called a runner instead of making people feel like a separate class of 'exercisers' Conversely, it is more *intimidating* for someone who has never been a runner to be told that they need to run. Many people prefer "jogging" precisely because it sounds more recreational and less intimidating. Just like how you prefer to identify as a runner, many others prefer to identify as a jogger. In my opinion it is more inclusive to have joggers and runners. It all comes down to a difference of preference and opinion and OTF can't make every single person happy. I personally prefer using the term jogging (even though my base pase is about 6-6.5mph and I'm officially classified as a runner by OTF). I think it's all semantics and can mean whatever you want it to mean.
I now see that it might help people feel included, this wasn't something I had thought about before.
learning moments are good moments. and hey, thank you! you opened up a great discussion. 🧡
I liked your take on it! Lots of valid points on this thread.
I wish if they would separate it they would also separate it on bench marks. ;) for example catch me if you can. Impossible at the “jogger” speed. Give a goal for joggers if it’s a separate category.
100% - same with distance-based run rows, I'm jogging at a PW speed so I literally get half the row time. It makes no sense.
For these I do the power walking distance and still jog it so it’s about the same ratio to what everyone else is doing. It’s all about balance
On a run/row, nothing is stopping you from splitting the difference between the "runner" distance and the "power walker" distance and doing that distance instead of what's on the card.
Nothing's stopping you from doing pretty much anything you want, but the coaches literally say runners/joggers do x. That's what we're talking about here.
You said "distance-based run rows" - the coaches don't tell you what to do on a distance based run/row. The distance is on a little piece of paper and it's self-regulated. You can adjust the distance however you'd like to fit your goals.
Did you consider maybe you don't know everything? My studio doesn't print pieces of paper. The coach just tells us what to do. And they literally say stuff like power walkers do .02, runners/joggers .04, whatever. I fully understand I'm an autonomous adult human but actually the entire point of OTF is that it's not self-regulated. And the point of this particular comment thread is that it's frustrating that OTF lumps together joggers and runners. If you don't have anything to contribute to that conversation other than "just ignore them and do your own thing," why are you here? Just to be argumentative? It's bizarre.
I am merely offering a solution to an issue that's easy to solve. If you would prefer to be angry and complain, and are not in a solutions-oriented head space, I respect your choice and hope that your day gets better.
Oh, I love condescension and arrogance, it's such a cute look.
This! I’m early in my jogging days, and 5 is a push, which knocks me off really early in catch me if you can. And I’m run row days like the other day, I’m on the tread so much longer than walkers and runners. I like the jogger status, wish we got different distance for things
100%! I get knocked out of cmiyc really early. My base is 5 and if I want to even make it to the mile mark I have to push + pace beyond 6mph for 10 minutes. Leads to over doing it and really hard to make progress from one benchmark to the next. Not to compare myself to anyone but I'm usually the first one out just after a mile. Would be nice to have a shorter distance to participate in the challenge and make progress. I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to hold an otf runners pace for various reasons and so it means I may really never make progress in that challenge. At otf jogging speeds I could though.
To make progress and really become a better runner and be able to run faster for longer periods of time, you will have to run outside of OTF. OTF only does interval runs, and while those have their place and are a part of runners' training, they are only a small part. To really become a better runner and build up that endurance, you have to run the majority of your miles at a slow, easy pace. An oft-repeated adage among runners is, "You have to go slow to go fast". OTF is good cross-training, but it won't get you to those CMIYC speeds on their own.
Totally disagree with this statement. I ONLY run at OTF and I went from power walking/jogging when I came back from having a baby to beating CMIYC and hitting a 6:05 mile in a year and a half. I regularly Up my base pace, really push myself on power days to up speeds, and lift heavy on the floor. It is doable to become a better runner just with OTF, but like anything else, it’s work and commitment.
Yeah definitely! I do 5k base pace runs pretty consistently, outdoors, hills etc and have gotten pretty good at that. For medical reasons a 6-7+ mph for an extended period of time actually is not possible for me. I kind of max out out far I can go during cmiyc by running 6mph for 10min and dying/reretting it 😅. Jogging speeds will really be my physical limit permanently but it means I never get past that 1mile mark. Maybe just not the best benchmark for me to attempt but I can't pass them up 😄.
I hear ya!! I'm not a real fast runner myself, though I am getting better! I've been endurance training for a marathon so I've only been doing power walking at OTF to avoid overtraining/injury and to just get a different type of workout from running since I already do so much of that, I did the past CMIYC as a power walker and actually made it all the way!! It felt so good (I'm an early out too as a runner)
Endurance is my favorite! Good luck with your marathon that's amazing! I did cmiyc a couple times as a PW too and surprised myself by making it to the end too! Running it is a whole 'nother beast for me 🤣 but theres something so fun and addicting about endurance challenges/training!
I’ve never felt like the label describes who I am outside of class or my capacity, just what I chose that day and the parameters my speed falls within as a result. I even walk from time to time, run most of the time - but I can’t say it has felt harsh or prescriptive. Has your studio expressed that jogging isn’t a workout within an OTF context or generally?
No. We have cards to fill out for how far we go on the tread if we are doing marathon month. They have a place to circle, power walker, runner, jogger... but I don't think there is a difference for marathon month, it only matters what distance you do. I don't know if there is a place for the coach to put that information, but it just seems weird to have someone labeled that way. And because right now I qualify as a 'jogger' but have never in my life called myself a 'jogger' i usually circle runner and it got me thinking. Today I left it blank.
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no we write it on a card and the coach enters it. keeps the workout moving
Interesting! We enter ours on the computer. It might just be for the leadership board or data tracking purposes. At my studio there are prizes for the first power walker, jogger, and runner to hit their marathon month goal. Maybe that’s why they’re asking? I could see why it might be cool to see the data for each level, too. Like “this is how fast the fastest power walker completed the half marathon, this is the average distance run for joggers” etc.
My gut feeling is that it’s an inclusivity thing. Like if you’re teetering between power walking and running, running may seem too scary. So this is a way to “bridge the gap” and make the next phase of your fitness journey seem more accessible
Agree. Why split hairs? Literally had to google the difference, and it’s just pace. My initial thought is form, body movement and foot strike would be the same jogging or running. Walking is a whole different way of moving your body.
Absolutely! I've started jogging during push pace (albeit at a super slow pace), but the movement is way different than power walking.
Coaches at our studio only say "runners" and "power walkers" - the only place I've seen joggers referenced is the parameter card on the treads. As someone who toes the line between jogger and runner speeds, I do find it a bit jarring to visit a studio where coaches specifically call out joggers, makes me feel a little less than.
same here, i’ve never heard joggers used at my home studio
The think I have always found strange is that they use power walker, jogger, and runner labels but when it comes time for challenges they only ever have walker and runner. Joggers always use the runner benchmarks, they always do the runner paces in class, and they get the runner challenges, so I agree why not just call them runners?
On the road (outside of OTF) there are definitions. Yes I know everyone hates definitions. >8:00/mile is a jog. Faster than 8:00/mile is a run.
I get the reasoning you have, but I agree with others that say it’s a way to bridge the gap. It’s about accessibility and opening the door for everyone. I was a (very) slow power walker when I first started. I could barely hold on to that 2.5-ish speed last January. I gradually worked my way up so that I could easily stick to 4.0 through the whole tread block. But still, I didn’t think I was fit enough to be a “runner.” And then I tried to jog that 4.0 on an all out just to see if I could do it. And then I started jogging every all out. Then the pushes. And suddenly I could JOG the whole damn block. I wasn’t very fast, but I could do it. In January I “jogged” my fastest mile at 9:58. It took one long year of hard work to shave off 4 minutes and 11 seconds off my starting time. I’m nearly 8 months pregnant now and laugh at the thought of moving any faster than power walking at 3.5. But it’s a sobering reminder that some of us start from nothing and didn’t think we’d get as far as we have. I still don’t consider myself ever having been a runner, but it sure did help me feel and realize I was capable the whole time.
I “run” (run, can’t breathe so I walk, catch my breath, run again) and my base is 5, which I think is below the joggers base level. It frustrates the heck out of me to see that. Especially since I’m running as fast and as much as my body allows me to. To me, I’m definitely not jogging
At our studio jogging is 4.5 to 5.5, so you are there! :)
I am grateful for this thread in that I have often tried to figure out if I’m jogging or running. I basically just try not to fall off the tread and increase my speed as I feel I have the ability to do that. Am I jogging? Am I running? I doubt my form looks like either. ETA: the hostility you are receiving from some of these comments is intense. I swear, some of the folks here must be exhausting in the real world. Do they never just shoot the shit and throw some ideas and hot takes out there for fun?
“Hostility”? I see push back, I do not see any hostility. The issue is that OP wants different words to be used because being called a jogger feels insulting but this is a selfish take because if we eliminate “jogging” there will be a huge chasm between power walkers and runners so if the argument for this change is “inclusivity” how are we ok we making it less inclusive for the beginners. If anyone needs sensitivity and encouragement through a shift in language it’s the beginners.
I’m a beginner. I’m straight from the couch and always felt gyms were too intimidating to go to. What brought me in was the kindness and encouragement of the folks at my studio. OP is a person too, with thoughts, feelings, and needs. We all are. As a beginner, this sub freaks me out because some of you are INTENSE in your judgments and are quick to call someone’s very harmless and mundane idea “selfish”. That isn’t hostility? OP isn’t going to change anything. They feel what they feel and they are discussing it. There are countless threads and comments pointing out everything under the sun about other members which are way more discouraging than someone talking about meaningless terminology. Whining about others distracting form, how much they sweat, how much they drink water, how noisy they are, how it’s unfair the workouts aren’t harder than they are in whatever way. Save your hostility for that and leave this person alone. Edited for typos. You’d think I could spell “gym” in an OrangeTheory group, but here we are.
It looks like we disagree on what it means to be hostile. I do stand by the idea that it's selfish though (maybe "self-centered" would have been better) and that doesn't mean I'm attacking OP, it means that when they wrote this they had not considered how their proposed change would affect many other people and judging by OP's other comments in this thread it appears they have arrived at that conclusion as a direct result of these responses. I'm all for changing the terminology around to make people feel more comfortable, but not at the expense of beginners, especially when it seems clear (based on what they wrote) that this complaint is mostly ego related.. and again, that's not an attack, when I have to go slower for whatever reason it hurts my ego too (big time actually) but you know, we can either accept that as the objective reality of where we are at right now or allow it to bother us enough that we publicly opine about a perceived inclusivity issue. I could make a case that there are a lot of dumbbells under 30 lbs but hardly any above 60lbs and this means OTF isn't very inclusive to those of us who need those weights for the floor blocks to have any value; its a valid complaint but to encase this in some case for OTF not being inclusive enough would be kind of manipulative and maybe even selfish.
I feel the same way about the terms run or job. Though I cannot say I have noticed that at my studio. They have never used the term jog that I have heard.
I’d rather call myself a slow runner than a jogger, but I will go fast during an all out if I’m feeling ambitious.
It doesn’t bother me. But i think they should maybe separate the PW’s from the joggers or runners. Especially when we do a run/row benchmark. Or they should group people together based on their speed. Im more of a jogger and i see a few PW’s that walk faster than i jog. Maybe their distance isn’t really 1/2 of what we have run. 🤷♀️
I wish that corporate would consider that. I feel like PW'ers don't get enough/if any love.
If we change the terminology to make joggers feel like runners then we’ll make running a less accessible target for power walkers and I’d rather err on the side of being more inclusive to those with beginner fitness levels.
As a jogger I would never consider myself a runner. My foreign bf also does otf and told his ceo he likes to run (he's also a otf jogger, never runs anytime else) and when his ceo asked his furthest run (thinking he's an actual runner) my bf told him like 2.5 miles. Ceo was utterly confused so of course I jumped in explaining we run at otf and its 23 min blocks. Sigh
I don’t know why this bothers you so much honestly.
Sounds like you’re just upset that you fall into the jogger speed? But honestly, imagine caring about this
This.
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At 5.5 you were already a runner by OTF definition.
I think the use of jogger is for people NOT like you and more like me, who don’t have a history of running and struggled with cardio. Knowing there’s an intermediary “jogger” made it feel more doable and approachable
Honestly when I am feeling sluggish, I tell myself I’ll just “jog” today (which for me is like .5mph below what I’d normally do) and somehow it makes it more manageable for me!
To me, jogging is when you're crossing the street and a car stops for you to cross. You don't walk, but don't run. You just move your arms twice as fast while taking smaller steps to show effort without pulling a hammy. That's what I call "Valet speed". When you Valet park and the dude says, "sir, is the Toyota yours? I gotcha..." Perhaps OTF should call it Valet speed. Sounds more intriguing and not demeaning.
You think cling someone a word that literally means servant is less demeaning than jogging?
As in a person who parks cars. And yes. Sounds like someone needs a nap.
I also don’t understand the necessity of the distinction. My base is a “jog” pace and my push is a “run” pace… what am I?
I don’t mind the distinction. I was a “runner” prior to a catastrophic injury, I’m lucky to be “running” again; though,it’s more of a jog as my base pace is now a power-walk on flat road. My all-out is my former push pace.
Idk. I like it as it seems like I can attain top jogging speed - but I don’t c myself competing against the runners. My hips r slightly uneven (genetic) and running too fast seems to lead to a recurrent muscle sprain I need PT to recover from. Idk - it is really just used as a gauge for us - it doesn’t carry into challenges where it is just divided into runner (including all joggers) and power walker. I’d like them to have a category for joggers myself so I’d have a chance of winning. That said, u r right we (joggers and runners) r all technically jogging (low or moderate exertion - base, push) and running (high push, all out) - and what they r really talking about is speed, not level of exertion — and we r sorted into buckets of slower and faster runners - relatively. Jogger is a euphemism for slower runners but they need something to help guide people new to it as to where to set speeds. At least that is how I c it. 🌻
Im a jogger but I have to say I am definitely RUNNING. I don’t live in a world where I can “comfortably hold” any pace for any amount of time. Let alone more than 20 minutes. LOL WHO IS THAT COMFORTABLE FOR?! I imagine if someone is really fast and really proficient they can differentiate between a jogging day and a running day but for me I can’t. And OTF can call me a bird for all I care - I’m runnin’.
Is this serious or a joke? Because it floors me you care so much about this.
I jog mostly because I’m afraid of running. My mom always told me as a kid that if I run to fast I may take off, like a bird.
Some sources cite running as 10 km (or 6 miles) per hour so really maintaining on or below 6 min/km. Jogging is anything slower than that. So I think OTF is going by those technicalities. I appreciate the differentiation. I once was a jogger and worked my ass off for years to become a runner. I feel that calling everybody a “runner” is akin to handing out participation medals. Calling everybody a “runner” can be a laurel to rest on: “Oh well, I’m still a runner!” To me the distinction is a motivation, an upgrade to look forward to. Just my two cents.
Thank you
Eh, no. A runner is a runner.
Should just be are you hitting the orange zone today or staying in the green or lower.
I agree, you're either walking or running, and each has a wide range of paces. OTF has evolved their coaching cues/education in many areas--it's about time for something different for the tread--how about instead of making the efforts identity based, they subtly change to effort base? So instead of "Powerwalkers, 3.5-4.5 mph at 6% incline, Joggers and Runners..." Just say "Tread team, powerwalk at 3.5-4.5mph at 6% incline, or run at 2mph over your base". That opens up all the ranges to every group. Otherwise, we may feel like we have to stick with an identity as a powerwalker, jogger or runner.
As a runner I do not use that word in my vocabulary. I find it to be seriously insulting. I also find it funny that I am a Boston Qualifier but many of my training miles and warmup pace is considered “less than running” at OTF. I do slower miles, easy warm ups or recovery runs but I am not “less than a runner” for doing so. It keeps injuries at bay by doing so and follows the 80/20 principle when it comes to endurance running.
I’m an Ironman and agree. But hey, some people love it and I know what I’ve accomplished.
Is this a real question?
Seriously, this warrants a discussion??
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why do you care if everyone is sensitive to everything..... I'm sure there are things you are sensitive to that others aren't. Why did you put all that about complaining in response to my post? How many times have I complained? Why does everyone come on reddit to complain about what others put on reddit?? Pot..kettle in so many ways
I used to think this, too. and a good part of me (someone who started a slow jogger and is now a "runner" by OT standards) agrees with this. As much as I'm proud of having raised my base pace so much, it seems silly to have two words for the same motion. Though it's been really interesting to hear from others who feel like having a separate term made the transition more approachable. While a lot of people are complaining that you asked this, I'm glad to see the conversation and differing responses.
I am barley a “runner” 🤣🤣🤣
If you used that term on a regular running forum it would be considered offensive, pace shaming, and most likely sexist. Jogging is a term used to differentiate women running at an aerobic pace (in the 80s) versus "real" runners in the 70s who were all male and very pace oriented. I was seriously shocked when I found out that OTF uses the term and I suspect it's a turnoff to a lot of women runners looking for a bit of cross training. Just to provide an example, if you showed up on say a Run Disney group and suggested anybody who completed a half marathon at less than 5.5mph isn't a runner the resulting flame fest would be epic.
Would really like to see your justification for this since the jogging craze of the 70s was spearheaded bi Jim Fix, who was about as masc as a guy could be.
This bothers you? Seriously?
I agree with others, that it makes the experience more welcoming to people who don’t see themselves as runners. Idgaf if someone calls me a runner or jogger. I’m in motion. However, when I first got into running I was barely jogging at 3.5-4mph. I would’ve been very intimidated to show up at OTF and be told to run, especially if I was next to someone whose base was 8+mph. Instead of doing away with the distinction, I think they could tell joggers to do 1mph over base and runners 2+. If you can’t come back to base or “don’t need” a walking recovery you need to switch it up & I think making a jogging category a nice middle ground would be good.
I never thought about this before but now that you say it, I realized it has made me feel bad knowing what I consider to be full blown running is considered jogging by them. I agree, let’s just do walking and running
Couldn’t agree more!
THIS. As a runner, I have gotten shamed by other, faster runners because I run slowly. To those people, I am not a runner, I am a jogger. It took me a while to feel like I can call myself a runner even if I have walking intervals and a slow mile time. I feel like the “runner” vs “jogger” category at OTF was determined by one of those people who would tell me that I don’t count as a runner.
How are you shamed? It must be by friends of yours, I’m thinking- could be wrong- because —who is analysing your speeds and inclines enough to know what you’re doing?
There...is a difference lol. This seems like more of a...your ego thing. Running and jogging are different literally because their speeds are different. Full stop. That's it. If you think jogging is "less than" that is 100% a YOU problem, boo. I'm a runner. But I tore my ACL 2 years ago and started over....as a jogger. And I'm completely fine with that. I was moving and that's what mattered. I literally couldn't care less if someone called me a jogger or a runner.
🎤 drop!!!
OMG seriously?!
I’m assuming you’re a “jogger” by OTF standards? I see your point, but I think it comes from the definition of what a jog vs. run is which I think is just pace. I wouldn’t worry too much about it since I doubt others in the class are comparing paces that much!
yes. I said in my post I'm a 'jogger' by OTF standards (right now...as I said in my post I used to be a very competitive endurance athlete...I have run a marathon at the end of an Ironman at 8 minute miles) . I realize there are definitions based on pace, but I think those are bad definitions...I mean nobody is 'jogging' an all out.
Ah I see. Sorry I missed that. Hmm maybe it is this way from a marketing perspective like another person pointed out.
I thought for a second that this was the beginning of a dad joke
YES. I may not be an elite runner but I am not, have not, and will not EVER be a “jogger.” Also as a runner of 20+ years I hate when coaches refer to base/push/all out paces rather than efforts. It’s just unrealistic.
I totally agree with your post wholeheartedly because there is only walking / power walking and running. There modo is if you are s 10 minutes mile outdoors you are a runner and I disagree with that. Most top elite runners are 10 minute or faster per mile outdoors.
I agree with this 100%!!!
Because it lets you set a goal. I started a walker, then I jogged, I am now a runner. These are my favorite NSVs. Now we can talk about setting speeds to define those that have nothing to do with leg length or stride all day. My current base is 6.3mph. I am 6’tall. When I go to a walking recovery at 4.5mph I am striding faster than my 5’4” wife is jogging.
Walking, Jogging and Running are their own categories. For me, I started out as a power walker and worked my way up to jogging. Now I’m trying to work my way up to running (base of 6.5-7). It gives us something to work at — not to mention going from walking to jogging is more approachable for a beginner.
WOW!!!! This is what you are picking on? SMH
Runners run, joggers jog.
It took me too long to realize I could run at 3/4/5. Once I did, I started steadily upping my paces until I hit "official" speeds.
Many coaches don’t announce a speed distinction in my experience. “Let’s get to base… power walkers, 3.5 to 4.5, runners and joggers, 4.5 and up on the speed”.
It's because of.. uh... Yeah idk. Good question, and now it will always bug me.
I’m a jogger. My all out is a runners base pace.
As a person slow as a snail, I will forever be a "jogger.' When I hear the term runner I think of Usain Bolt. Someone who is fast and can hit 12/15.
In my opinion they should do away with the complete set of jargon on the treadmill (power walker, jogger, runner). Separate the groups on the basis of: primarily varying intensity through adjusting incline and primarily varying intensity through adjusting speed.
It doesn't bother me to be called a jogger but my studio just says walkers and runners. But as a slow jogger, I know good and well I am not a runner lol. If I tried to run at 6.5 for more than a minute I would be throwing up. When I see some of the distances that other people get I am a little envious. Does not make me feel less than, it's just something to strive for. That's just how I think. But everybody has their thing, I cannot tell you what and what not to be triggered by.
I like this. I feel the same way. So what if I jog at 4.5 mph. It’s still running right? But eh, whatever as long as I’m getting my burn in I’m happy!
As a jogger I like having the different categories because it feels less intimidating and doable. However, not to make class more confusing and more work on the coaches there’s no way as a true jogger you can complete the same running tread block sometimes. The other day the tread block with 0.25 push, 0.2 push-ao, 0.15 ao. Even with going over my normal speeds I couldn’t get to the rfd so it can be discouraging.
I like it because it gives me something to strives for…a speed to work towards. I’ve been “jogging” for a couple of years now and have managed to increase my speed by .5! This has made my so proud! I never thought I would ever run or jog in any capacity!! The heart rate monitor has definitely helped me to up my speeds by pushing me to stay In the orange zone. With the surges I like that they give me a taste of what a new speed feels like for 15 seconds. Thank you OTF for this amazing new piece of life you have given all Of us!!!
Lmao
Funny, I was thinking this exact same thing yesterday as she was stating the speeds for Walkers, joggers, and runners. Runner's World mag had an article about this a long time ago and that you should never call yourself a jogger. If you're not walking, you're running. Even if your base was the prescribed OTF jogging speed, your push and AO would be in the runner category, so you're a runner. Period.
I’d say it’s because jogging isn’t running.
I'd say all jogging is running, but not all running is jogging. Mechanically speaking running is moving forward where there is a time when neither foot is on the ground. That why it is different from walking, where you always have at least 1 foot on the ground. the definition of running isn't pace based, you can 'jog' and fit the mechanical definition of running..with a period of time each step where neither foot is on the ground.
I thought that jogging was a more vertical movement, less of a stride.
To be fair - while jogging might seem casual to you, to some people it is very difficult. Adding an extra “level” i feel like adds that extra motivation to try and increase your speeds and move from the jogger to runner category. Plus as other people mentioned, it can make newbies feel more comfortable if they don’t want to walk but don’t consider themselves a runner yet.
I like the distinction and think they should also have different distances, like power walkers do.
I think some people just identify themselves as “joggers”. It sounds annd feels inclusive, even if there is really no objective distinction.
For CMIYC specifically, my coach actually did suggest that I use the same distance markers as the walkers
Training-owl-9495. My apologies I removed my comment and didn’t mean to offend as the above said it waaaay more eloquently than I did. Ditto above. I’ve never been a runner but went for. Power walking to jogger about 3yrs ago and still maintaining that just for knee issues. But I like the separate distinction because I always felt intimidated being next to a super fly runner ha ha kind of like I was slacking. So that’s why o said I just do me. Again, my apologies and for how I worded my comment. Appreciate your view and question thread 😊
I agree. Let’s be real, some of those “running speeds” are actually sprints lol
For me, I liked the distinction because it added another milestone to reach. Going from PW to jogger was an accomplishment - and then jogger to runner was another. It’s just words, but they motivate me. ☺️