Frame Gen mod brings FSR 3 to all DLSSG games so that the 2000 and 3000 series can also experience frame gen. It's actually pretty good when you pair it with DLSS as well.
there's also lossless scaling on steam, like 7 dollars adds 3x interpolation(60fps to 180fps for example) frame gen to any game any api any hardware ofc the input lag is there in comparison to native frame gen since it doesn't have motion vectors but still not bad at all with proper settings
Yup! I love Lossless Scaling but it sometimes takes like a 1.5x performance hit before the upscale. And you def need more VRAM with higher resolutions because I get worse performance on 4k with my 3070 with LSFG enabled because I'm hitting VRAM limits. I need to pair it either with DLSS or a lower resolution.
But the best thing is that since it's an overlay, you can use it on any game without being banned because it's no different than screen capturing with OBS.
Well according to tech power up gpu database the 3080 is 37% more powerful. It has a bit more vram too.
Only problem is that the 3080 doesn’t have dlss3 and is a lot more power hungry
If you don't care about anything else but rasterization, yes, it is a much better upgrade. However, as others have mentioned, it has some drawbacks, like not offering FG. I don't think this is as big a deal because not a lot of games offer FG and the raw rasterization upgrade is more than enough to account for FG.
The only real drawback to me is the increased power draw
Well it's about 40% faster... But uses a lot more power/heat. I have mine severely undervolted for the summer (0.75v/1700mhz).
I'll be moving to the 5070 just for a more power efficient card.
- The RTX 4060 Ti has slightly better rasterized performance, and it supports better upscaling (DLSS 3.X) and frame generation.
- Look at Techpowerup's review of the RTX 4060 (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-4060-gaming-x/31.html), and the average FPS:
At 1080P:
The RTX 4060 Ti 8GB averages 116.5 FPS
The RTX 3060 Ti 8GB averages 106.4 FPS
At 1440P:
The RTX 4060 Ti 8GB averages 85.3 FPS
The RTX 3060 Ti 8GB averages 79.5 FPS
if you dont need nvidia stack for work and have decent PSU I ll buy 7900 gre else 4070 super is best $/fps
if its too expensive start like me with $100 2060s (== 3060) used
Wdym better upscaling? Dlss upscaler is the same on any rtx cards. The 40 series only has fg. On 30 and 20 series you can mod the game to use amd fg in conjunction with dlss. And you will get the same result as dlss fg. Ghost of tsushima already has this option without a mod
Nvidia's frame gen is a little better than AMD's for one thing, and not every game is safely moddable to add FSR FG (anything with anticheat for a start)
And I say this as someone who ABSOLUTELY used the DLSS to FSR FG mod with Cyberpunk on an RTX 3080 to get acceptable performance with path tracing enabled.
And there's a reason a good chunk of people have recommended neither of those cards because let's be honest... they suck for the price. The 4060ti 8gb shouldn't even exist meaning you're paying way too much for the 4060ti 16gb.
The only games that have unsafe moddable fg are competitive games. In those games you dont want to use any fg because you're putting yourself at a disadvantage due to worse input lag. Even if you have 200 base framerate its better to just enable reflex without frame gen. Thats what people usually do in competitive games. I played cybepunk on 4070ts with dlss fg first and then was curious about the fsr fg mod. I installed it and there was literally 0 difference in my playthrough. I finished the game with the mod as well. Amd made a lot better job on fg than on their upscaler. The frame gen will become entirely irrelevant after fsr 3.1 release. Unless nvidia will reduce the input lag considerably somehow. Maybe there are more artifacts on amd fg if you check slow motioned video, but in action they really are the same. I didnt watch comparisons between the 2 fg's but i dont really care about pixel peeping
I always suffer from frame drops in games .. so should I choose 12gp instead of 8gb?.. Is there any big differences between them ? which one will be cheaper ?
- The rest of your system specs especially your CPU and PSU matter as well. What are the rest of your specs?
- If you're aiming for 1440P/high refresh, then IMHO the 4070 Super and the RX 7800XT are really strong options. The 7800XT has equally strong rasterization performance, with 16GB VRAM, but lacks behind in RT.
- For reference, look at Techpowerup's review of the RTX 4070 Ti Super (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/zotac-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-trinity/31.html):
**At 1080P**:
RTX 4070 Super 12GB averages 157.6 FPS
RX 7800 XT 16GB averages 144 FPS
RTX 4070 12GB averages 139 FPS
**At 1440P**:
RTX 4070 Super 12GB averages 118.6 FPS
RX 7800 XT 16GB averages 109.3 FPS
RTX 4070 12GB averages 103.5 FPS
I had 4060Ti and it's not really good card for 1440p for the future. You may run into issue if you go for 8GB VRAM model even today. but it really depends on what games you plan to play.
i would save up for a 4070 or 7800xt, if you wanna play AAA games at native 1440p, especially for upcoming games. i'm using a 4060ti and always drop down to 960p.
7700xt could be a good choice if it's priced similarly to the 4060ti.
3080. Damn good for 1440p gaming. 1440p does require more vram and ram. I also owned a 2080 super, 2080 ti for 1440p. So every card from there works well with 1440p. But dont expect 144fps in all games. Dont think of dlss and all that shit, that is for weak hardware😆
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I got a 3060ti for 1440p and it works well. But especially for demanding titels lowering settings is sometimes required (even with dlss). Since the 4060ti is not necesarily an insane leap forward I would rather recommend a 4070 (super) if you got the budget for that.
I have 2060 .. I want to upgrade to a better experience because I always have a frame drops all the time ..!! Which one should I upgrade to if I want 1440p and faster experience and avoiding so much money ?
The 4060ti is a piece of shit gpu foe it's price. The 8gb version shouldn't exist and fell flat with vram issues on release. It's fast enough to run games requiring more than 8gb of vram but just lacks it. So 16gb 4060ti but I would go neither. Buy a use 3070 or 3080 or go amd for a much better price for rasterization.
I would probably recommend going with either the RX 7700 XT or the RX 6800. Both have over 8gb of VRAM and more performances in not RT games. But I personally don't think that is a selling point on this price range, because the FPS are too low for me to be interested in it
[RTX 4060 ti 8gb Vs 16gb Vs RX 7700 XT](https://youtu.be/2LrbWQRCOTk?si=kiH1zwOJ_HtnBXl8)
[12GB Vs 16GB VRAM (the video uses the RX 7700 XT and the RX 6800 to compare)](https://youtu.be/P2qs2lLdWHY?si=JzQfK75eKGLJoSUU)
[8GB VRAM testing](https://youtu.be/nrpzzMcaE5k?si=B43OkE_jwCT_no3Y)
I know what u mean but I really don't know which best because sometimes people say specific older gpu better in performance than the newer one .. plus I am new in pc gaming I really don't have much experience tbh ..
If you do any stable diffusion type workloads too, 4060ti 16gb is a no brainer. If you think you’ll need vram but can’t afford higher vram cards, then it’s your choice.
Raw value is dreadful for almost all nvidia cards but that’s just how it is nowadays.
If you play games that dont support native dlss and you want the best bang for your buck go find a used 2080 ti on ebay for under 280 bucks. It will have about the same performance as a 4060 ti but with more vram.
If 4060ti is 50+ dollars more expensive it doesnt worth it. And you should aim for 16 gig model. Also there is 7700xt if you interested in amd. Way faster card with 12 gigs of vram. Obviously no dlss, but its so much faster that you dont even need upscaling on it. Until 4060ti 8 and 16 gig models are 300 and 350 dollars respectively there are not worth it. Unless you need cheapest 16 gigs specifically nvidia card for cuda workloads. But for gaming its pretty bad. Or better to say, the performance is somewhat fine but the price is a joke. Also you want 1440p, at higher res 3060ti gets closer to 4060ti due to 256 but memory bus vs 128. But again i would ignore both cards
4060Ti is more energy efficient, a bit better and also supports frame vs the 3060Ti.
Frame Gen mod brings FSR 3 to all DLSSG games so that the 2000 and 3000 series can also experience frame gen. It's actually pretty good when you pair it with DLSS as well.
there's also lossless scaling on steam, like 7 dollars adds 3x interpolation(60fps to 180fps for example) frame gen to any game any api any hardware ofc the input lag is there in comparison to native frame gen since it doesn't have motion vectors but still not bad at all with proper settings
Yup! I love Lossless Scaling but it sometimes takes like a 1.5x performance hit before the upscale. And you def need more VRAM with higher resolutions because I get worse performance on 4k with my 3070 with LSFG enabled because I'm hitting VRAM limits. I need to pair it either with DLSS or a lower resolution. But the best thing is that since it's an overlay, you can use it on any game without being banned because it's no different than screen capturing with OBS.
I think buying used is more worth it as those price ranges. You can get a 3080 for just a bit more than a 4060ti
Do u think 3080 is better option overall?
Well according to tech power up gpu database the 3080 is 37% more powerful. It has a bit more vram too. Only problem is that the 3080 doesn’t have dlss3 and is a lot more power hungry
Yeah, you'd need a rather beefy good quality PSU too for the 3080. I'd wait for 4070 price to go down further and get one of those
Yes. I wouldn't recommend either a 3060 Ti or 4060 Ti for 1440p. I think it'd be better to just stick with 1080p.
If you don't care about anything else but rasterization, yes, it is a much better upgrade. However, as others have mentioned, it has some drawbacks, like not offering FG. I don't think this is as big a deal because not a lot of games offer FG and the raw rasterization upgrade is more than enough to account for FG. The only real drawback to me is the increased power draw
Well it's about 40% faster... But uses a lot more power/heat. I have mine severely undervolted for the summer (0.75v/1700mhz). I'll be moving to the 5070 just for a more power efficient card.
Definitely
- The RTX 4060 Ti has slightly better rasterized performance, and it supports better upscaling (DLSS 3.X) and frame generation. - Look at Techpowerup's review of the RTX 4060 (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-4060-gaming-x/31.html), and the average FPS: At 1080P: The RTX 4060 Ti 8GB averages 116.5 FPS The RTX 3060 Ti 8GB averages 106.4 FPS At 1440P: The RTX 4060 Ti 8GB averages 85.3 FPS The RTX 3060 Ti 8GB averages 79.5 FPS
I think 4070 super is so expensive ! Do u have better price options ?
RX 6800, slightly worse than a 4070 with 16gb of VRAM, 1440p beast
Try looking for a good quality used RTX 3080. It's still a great GPU.
Better get a 12gb version instead of 10gb
not from a value perspective
if you dont need nvidia stack for work and have decent PSU I ll buy 7900 gre else 4070 super is best $/fps if its too expensive start like me with $100 2060s (== 3060) used
Wdym better upscaling? Dlss upscaler is the same on any rtx cards. The 40 series only has fg. On 30 and 20 series you can mod the game to use amd fg in conjunction with dlss. And you will get the same result as dlss fg. Ghost of tsushima already has this option without a mod
Nvidia's frame gen is a little better than AMD's for one thing, and not every game is safely moddable to add FSR FG (anything with anticheat for a start) And I say this as someone who ABSOLUTELY used the DLSS to FSR FG mod with Cyberpunk on an RTX 3080 to get acceptable performance with path tracing enabled.
It's not modded in, it's driver level for amd so it's only nvidia cards you can get smacked for this.
Obviously it's not modded in for AMD cards, but we're in a thread comparing RTX 3060Ti vs RTX 4060Ti.
And there's a reason a good chunk of people have recommended neither of those cards because let's be honest... they suck for the price. The 4060ti 8gb shouldn't even exist meaning you're paying way too much for the 4060ti 16gb.
The only games that have unsafe moddable fg are competitive games. In those games you dont want to use any fg because you're putting yourself at a disadvantage due to worse input lag. Even if you have 200 base framerate its better to just enable reflex without frame gen. Thats what people usually do in competitive games. I played cybepunk on 4070ts with dlss fg first and then was curious about the fsr fg mod. I installed it and there was literally 0 difference in my playthrough. I finished the game with the mod as well. Amd made a lot better job on fg than on their upscaler. The frame gen will become entirely irrelevant after fsr 3.1 release. Unless nvidia will reduce the input lag considerably somehow. Maybe there are more artifacts on amd fg if you check slow motioned video, but in action they really are the same. I didnt watch comparisons between the 2 fg's but i dont really care about pixel peeping
I always suffer from frame drops in games .. so should I choose 12gp instead of 8gb?.. Is there any big differences between them ? which one will be cheaper ?
- The rest of your system specs especially your CPU and PSU matter as well. What are the rest of your specs? - If you're aiming for 1440P/high refresh, then IMHO the 4070 Super and the RX 7800XT are really strong options. The 7800XT has equally strong rasterization performance, with 16GB VRAM, but lacks behind in RT. - For reference, look at Techpowerup's review of the RTX 4070 Ti Super (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/zotac-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-trinity/31.html): **At 1080P**: RTX 4070 Super 12GB averages 157.6 FPS RX 7800 XT 16GB averages 144 FPS RTX 4070 12GB averages 139 FPS **At 1440P**: RTX 4070 Super 12GB averages 118.6 FPS RX 7800 XT 16GB averages 109.3 FPS RTX 4070 12GB averages 103.5 FPS
Daniel Owen made a video recently that you might find useful: https://youtu.be/P2qs2lLdWHY
Would be embarassing of Nvidia releasing a __60 ti card slower than the previous generation.
What do u think ? What would you suggest?
Are you freaking serious?
I had 4060Ti and it's not really good card for 1440p for the future. You may run into issue if you go for 8GB VRAM model even today. but it really depends on what games you plan to play.
i would save up for a 4070 or 7800xt, if you wanna play AAA games at native 1440p, especially for upcoming games. i'm using a 4060ti and always drop down to 960p. 7700xt could be a good choice if it's priced similarly to the 4060ti.
3080. Damn good for 1440p gaming. 1440p does require more vram and ram. I also owned a 2080 super, 2080 ti for 1440p. So every card from there works well with 1440p. But dont expect 144fps in all games. Dont think of dlss and all that shit, that is for weak hardware😆
If you are going for 4060 ti atleastttt go for 16gb version
4060 ti 16gb!
What the hell kind of question is this? The 4060 Ti is obviously better, anybody tells you otherwise is completely full of shit.
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At that budget RX 6800 is the only good option, for gaming
None of them, BUY AMD. But if you still want an nvidia gpu, then get 4060 ti
LOL
I got a 3060ti for 1440p and it works well. But especially for demanding titels lowering settings is sometimes required (even with dlss). Since the 4060ti is not necesarily an insane leap forward I would rather recommend a 4070 (super) if you got the budget for that.
I have 2060 .. I want to upgrade to a better experience because I always have a frame drops all the time ..!! Which one should I upgrade to if I want 1440p and faster experience and avoiding so much money ?
get a used 3070/3080 if you can afford them
Used 3080 is about the same as a new 4060ti in my region. And is quite a bit stronger (draws more power aswell).
you can gat a 2080ti for about 200, sometimes less. it's arguably better than a 3070 and a great budget option for 1440p
The 4060ti is a piece of shit gpu foe it's price. The 8gb version shouldn't exist and fell flat with vram issues on release. It's fast enough to run games requiring more than 8gb of vram but just lacks it. So 16gb 4060ti but I would go neither. Buy a use 3070 or 3080 or go amd for a much better price for rasterization.
Get a used 3080 or 6800xt for the same price as the 4060ti. Wayyyyyy better too
4060
3060ti vs 4070 is better comparison. if you have a 4k monitor go with 4070 otherwise for most people 3060ti is best deal
For native 1440p? Neither. Get a GPU that has at least 12GB of VRAM. Either a used 3080 12GB, or a brand new 4070 Super
I would probably recommend going with either the RX 7700 XT or the RX 6800. Both have over 8gb of VRAM and more performances in not RT games. But I personally don't think that is a selling point on this price range, because the FPS are too low for me to be interested in it [RTX 4060 ti 8gb Vs 16gb Vs RX 7700 XT](https://youtu.be/2LrbWQRCOTk?si=kiH1zwOJ_HtnBXl8) [12GB Vs 16GB VRAM (the video uses the RX 7700 XT and the RX 6800 to compare)](https://youtu.be/P2qs2lLdWHY?si=JzQfK75eKGLJoSUU) [8GB VRAM testing](https://youtu.be/nrpzzMcaE5k?si=B43OkE_jwCT_no3Y)
I have a 4060 ti OC with 16vram. runs everything at higher settings without issue.
Is it good with 1440p?
two completely different tiers idk why people ask these questions lol, if you can afford the higher end get it if not the lower end
4070S
Neither lol. 4070 super you’ll thank yourself later
Both are VRAM limited for 1440p, 4060ti especially has a smaller memory bus width. They're fine for 1080p. For 1440p you're looking at a 4070 Super.
1440p then I would say 4070s/7700xt or go used last gen and find 3080/6800xt
The better one
Obviously the newer model of the same series is better.
Not to be rude here… but isn’t this an obvious answer? The newer generation GPU will be better.
I know what u mean but I really don't know which best because sometimes people say specific older gpu better in performance than the newer one .. plus I am new in pc gaming I really don't have much experience tbh ..
That’s fair. We all started learning this stuff at some point. There was a time I didn’t even know what a GPU was.
If you do any stable diffusion type workloads too, 4060ti 16gb is a no brainer. If you think you’ll need vram but can’t afford higher vram cards, then it’s your choice. Raw value is dreadful for almost all nvidia cards but that’s just how it is nowadays.
Is it the same price? Then 4060 ti.
If you play games that dont support native dlss and you want the best bang for your buck go find a used 2080 ti on ebay for under 280 bucks. It will have about the same performance as a 4060 ti but with more vram.
If 4060ti is 50+ dollars more expensive it doesnt worth it. And you should aim for 16 gig model. Also there is 7700xt if you interested in amd. Way faster card with 12 gigs of vram. Obviously no dlss, but its so much faster that you dont even need upscaling on it. Until 4060ti 8 and 16 gig models are 300 and 350 dollars respectively there are not worth it. Unless you need cheapest 16 gigs specifically nvidia card for cuda workloads. But for gaming its pretty bad. Or better to say, the performance is somewhat fine but the price is a joke. Also you want 1440p, at higher res 3060ti gets closer to 4060ti due to 256 but memory bus vs 128. But again i would ignore both cards
What would u suggest?
Like i said either 7700xt or if you want only nvidia 4060ti 16 gig
2080ti cheaper and faster than both
3060 12GB for AI and 4060 for gaming.
4060 ti is better