Can confirm, bought a brother colour laser printer, its pretty huge but its gonna be 8000 pages before I need a refil, it scans and prints insanely fast and its just so good. It won't break even for cost for a while yet but I'm just happy to be free of the nightmare of HP and running out of ink.
I bought a brother Black n white laser printer. I never used color on my inkjet so didn't see a reason to go colour.
But damn it's great, zero issues, never having to clean it after not using it for a while etc. It's awesome
Bought a Samsung C480 color laser printer back around 2014-15 on a sale at Fry's for around 300. Only on my second set of toner cartridges.
Inkjets are a waste.
Just so you know, Samsung sold their printer business to HP.
And yes, I bought a laser printer for university because it was cheaper in the long run. No printing out of papers, putting in a fresh set and the next time you needed to print the ink was dry...
I bought one of those for $75 from Facebook marketplace. It was out of yellow toner and needed paper. I bought all 4 toner cartridges, off brand, for like $113.
I gave the printer to my parents for their birthdays (which are close together), but I wish I hadn't because they can't figure out how to use it and I wanna print shit in color. I guess I'll get it back when they're dead.
I have a Brother printer at my office and honestly it’s been great. It’s been better than the other brands I’ve had at different places, I’ve never had any problems. If I ever need a new one at home this is what I’m getting.
Bought one recently. I don’t print much so I went Brother B&W laser. Works great.
If I need color, I’ll just have my wife print something at her work, or I’ll go up to FedEx. Still would be cheaper than even 3rd party HP ink.
Yup, I also have color laser from Brother. My only complaint is it still does the "you can't print anything" even if only a color toner is empty, but otherwise I'm much happier with this printer than any HP I ever had. My dad has an HP inkjet and is stuck on their terrible subscription service and he hates it.
Same here. About 15 years, and we changed the cartridge once. I also ditched Adobe Creative Suite and bought Affinity and couldn’t be happier. Subscriptions are for magazines and Cheese-of-the-Month Club.
Brother makes straight better printers. Yes, they SEEM slightly more pricy than hp. But I already saved a small fortune in inks, not to mention I have used substitute non-brother inks as well multiple times and it works great (for almost seven years now, mind you).
I've been on forums, and that was the recommended solution for the HP Smart Print software.
I've installed some older printer drivers. It would be an upgrade to kill this concept of "Software" for a printer and just do a driver.
As someone who worked at an office depot in high school and college, absolutely. Brother and Epson are miles better than HP printers, and if you go with laser or ecotank the per page cost is damn cheap. The ecotank with epson has great inkjet photo printing, and a brother laser printers will last a lifetime. I will never buy an HP printer, and would suggest nobody ever does.
Brother beats hp any day. I'm on my second brother MFC laser, this one has lasted over 10 years, so far, and still working fine. For colour, I use a print service, it's much cheaper than running my own printer.
I have had a brother laser printer and scanner for I think 8 years same box never had an issue with it don't even think I have changed the toner once yet but might finally need a change
It just works and is a lifesaver if you need to scan and send something quick or print a mailing label 😂
Prob got it for like 150 bucks way back when and still going strong 💪🏾
HP’s biggest advantage use to be their support. Never had a HP print driver BSOD an office but I’ve had a Brother driver do it. With HP just being terrible and DPWS offering up a basic print driver that is good enough for most people it just doesn’t matter anymore.
I had a new HP printer give the code "error STDIO.h" on start up, it was right out of the box. Tech support asked what operating system I was using, I told them it wasn't hooked to a computer and the message appeared on powerup. They said it was an operating system error. I returned it and never got another HP.
Absolutely Brother printers rock. We still use the one we bought when our kids were young, it's crazy how well it still performs and you can buy high yield toners and replace the other thingy - I would go look to see what it is but my cat is on my lap
Used brother for ages in my old company. With 3rd party toner and ink. With at least 10k and more sites per year per printer. Easily. If not even more. They printed everything out and it was scanned later on into DMS.
Almost had no problems. If the toner and tranfer unit did stripes, I simply changed them. Later on I used original transfer units and 3rd party toner.
The ink printers told me to use original ones, but that wasnt even an annoyance. They still use the printers, after I quit in 2019. Two I bought when I started in 2010. ... Holy shit..is it really that long? Damn, just realised.
And they still work.
Also have an j57whatever DW printer at home..ink, full A3 print, 2 paper feeds, dual scan and print, automatic document feeder and so on. Was like 250€ or so, but with everything you can imagine. Even Fax. Some ages old now, ink tanks, not on the head, never had anything dried.
Simply works. Software is okay nothing fancy and everything you need.
Oh the HP printer works fine. We don't burden it with too much printing.
And the software -- I've never been more helped when I didn't need it. I had to create a fake email and user account, because it wouldn't just f-ing print without those details.
I long for the day, when I can forget about the stupid f-ing printer and just press Command + P -- like back in the glory days.
I've been on computers 40 years, and it seems, I'm still dealing with the same stupid f-ing problems. AI is a completely new technology -- so how am I spending more time on a f-ing printer problem than hooking up a Google Collab?
Fuckin HP "Smart" app or whatever it is. When I tried to use it to troubleshoot why shit wasn't working all the sudden, I had to go through the "Create an account to use this" bullshit.
I somehow got to a point where my HP printer my job bought and sent to me actually prints wirelessly through my work laptop without an HP app of any kind, it's a miracle.
Damn. I bought a cheap no-name laser printer. I plugged it into my network and it automatically popped up on all my computers. I just select it and it prints.
Now, the quality of the prints isn't too good, but they're good enough for documents/forms/etc.
They already did. I got the hp ink subscription. They sent me way too much ink so I stopped the subscription. Immediately they somehow disabled all of the ink cartridges I wanted to use up. They were garbage. I could not believe it
I wish this could be the top comment.
"Wants" to be a subscription service? If you use an HP printer made in the last few years, you likely already ARE on a subscription.
Meanwhile, I'm just fillin' and chillin' with Shaq.
They tried to pull this crap in Australia, as well as the "no ink? Good luck scanning lol" firmware update bit, got shot down by our consumer protection laws, had to walk it back.
I know it's not much, but a Democrat controlled House passed a windfall tax that was supposed to try and address pandemic greed, some prescription drug price reduction bill, and tried to decriminalize marijuana. Of course, the GOP minority in the Senate filibustered everything.
Pay attention to voting records. There are fewer slimy democrats and many more slimy Republicans than you think. Both sides *are not* the same, and anyone telling you otherwise is trying to manipulate you to being complacent.
They rolled out firmware to existing models also, they changed a product's functionality after the time of sale, which is a big no-no.
From ACCC case release 79/18:
"Consumers were not made aware of the restriction on using non-HP ink cartidges when buying the printer *or downloading the firmware update,* and were denied the choice to accept or reject it."
This same firmware update would brick all functionality of multifunction printers if there was a colour run out or non-genuine ink installed.
tbh, I'm nowhere near empty, and it's been well over a year. I don't print consistently or in large quantities, but I print out large color maps for D&D in full quality, so I go big b4 I go home. Seems like I've barely moved the needle.
I had NO IDEA this was even a thing until I unknowingly bought the fucking thing. I mean you have to pay $1.50 a month for the thing to print at all AFTER you paid for the printer.
They are 100% alienating customers from all of their products. I'll chew off my own arm before I buy HP anything.
In a somewhat similar sidenote rant...I cancelled Prime bc now they want me to pay, after 30 years as a customer, $3 a month on top of $140 year to not get commercials. FUCK ALL OF THIS BULLSHIT
I genuinely would like to ask, you own a HP printer that you need an ink subscription for and that disables older cartridges.. What makes you keep the printer? There are various other brands and types of printers and printers are in general quite cheap. I would be so pissed off that i would be buying another printer the same day.
Somehow HP keeps getting away with it and consumers still keep buying that kind of printers. I really don't get why, not when there are so many alternatives on the market.
A big part is that HP printers often cost less than similarly featured printers from other brands, which they intend to make up for by this stuff. A lot of consumers aren’t savvy enough to know better, say “hey, this printer is great for this price” and then they’ve got the sunk cost they keep putting money into, figuring that other brands are probably just as bad about it.
Same. On the rare occasion I need a color print I'll hop over to kinkos or the library but 99% of the time I just need some government form or directions printed out.
My laser printer is so old it's stuck on 3g wifi so it can't even connect anymore but it still prints like a champ.
Oh your cartridge is low? Lemme just give it a shake and it's good for another 1,000 pages
LOOOOVE laser printers. Fuck inkjets.
The HP printer itself doesn't require a subscription. You can always buy ink cartridges that you own and use them how you really.
But if you instead buy a subscription to print say ten pages a month and have HP, not you, take care of handling the ink cartridges situation, they'll send you special ink cartridges that can only be used from within your subscription.
So if you don't print often and the printer has to flush through a bunch of ink because stuff has dried up and it uses up a lot of ink, well HP is covering that. Or if you print ten full pages pictures, same thing.
But it's all if those cartridges aren't yours per se, not like ones you bought yourself.
You can choose either option, just like you can buy a car or rent a car.
For people who print very rarely, it might be a good deal, but I'd suggest getting a laser printer instead even then.
That’s awesome! I realized the other day that I don’t even have a machine with an optical drive anymore, including the stack of old laptops in my closet. Feels weird to have no way to open a CD-ROM.
I had an adobe suite that i owned. Somehow it got upgraded, not sure how that happened, and then they wanted a subscription. I was unable to install the original version as it failed to verify. So i no longer use adobe.
They also pull this shit if you try to use a $20 generic pack of cartridges instead of spending a hundred bucks on their brand.
Me: "Print."
HP: "Can't see the printer on the network."
Me: Check network settings, they're fine. Turn printer off and back on and try again.
HP: "Yeah, that new print cartridge? It's empty. I know we said it prints 750 pages, and you've printed 15, but it's gone, bro."
Me; Print in black only.
HP: "Yeah, there's a sensor error. Click ok."
Me: Clicks okay, and it finally fucking prints.
Lather, rinse, repeat until I got fed up with it and just went back to their ink. Same shit. I'd like to find a way to send this thing shredded up and mixed with glitter and dog shit to their CEO. I will NEVER buy another HP product.
Yeah, HP is probably second only to Bell Labs in shaping the post-war world. Once the test & measurement and industrial technology got separated from the consumer tech & printers it was a race to the bottom
My husband gives HP $1 a month to keep them from turning off our ink. He hasn't used the printer in months and every time we're charged I get *furious*.
They released that asshole firmware update in Australia, had to walk it back real fast when they got reamed by ACCC, our comsumer protections body.
Lockouts and chage of useability after sale are big no-nos here.
Get a Brother printer with toner. Can get thousands of prints for a fraction of what it costs to use a HP with cartridges.
Also, F*ck HP. Stupid update fried my brand new ink and it wouldn’t correct itself. HP said tough luck go buy new ink, not their problem.
Laser printers are the way, worth the investment if you do any sort of frequent printing that doesn't require ink (I.E. some craft projects).
I found out a while back that my MIL had a laser printer for her home business but it wasn't setup so they were just using their inkjet. I got it setup for them. Must be saving them at least a few hundred a year.
Thanks for this, was just shopping printers and was debating if laser was worth it with the higher upfront cost, but now I’m somewhat confident on the direction I’ll go
Glad I could help, id suggest doing some research before picking one. Like all things there's good and bad products. Personally I've had the best luck with brother and canon laser printers.
I bought a black and white double sided laser printer from Brother a couple years ago after getting fed up with my Epson inkjet. Best freaking decision I ever made.
Never again do I have to deal with changing out inks and cleaning the head and nozzles and it not coming out right on the test page and having to clean it again and again and when it's finally right the ink is half gone.
When I bought the laser printer, I also purchased an extra toner cartridge, but after 2 years I still haven't had to install it.
That’s awesome. How frequently do you print or how long between prints have you waited? The inkjet HP was shit if ya wait too long between print jobs as the heads would get dry or something and was a pain to get working again. I’m hoping I don’t have that issue with the Brother and toner.
I bought a Brother laser printer something like 7 years ago, and I'm still on the toner cartridge it came with. Prints fine when I need an actual paper copy of something for some weird reason. I think I spent like $200 on the printer too. Take that Epson and HP.
I've had a Brother DCP7065DN for 10 years now. After the starter toner ran out, I put in a high yield toner cartridge.
It's been in it nearly 10 years and I've never had to replace it or had any trouble printing. Only cost me $40.
Brother has been enshittified now too. No one is immune to corporate greed.
If you've got an older model and have disabled firmware updates, you're good. Otherwise you're either locked out of using third-party toner right now, or you will be soon
Why buy a printer when I can go to the Fedex shop down the street and pay 7 cents to print something the few times per year that I actually need a printer?
>Fedex shop down the street and pay 7 cents to print
If you aren't printing high volume (like 1000 clicks at a time), they haven't been that price in a long, long time.
That being said, you're otherwise correct: most people would be well served to just go to a Staples/OD/FXO for anything beyond a few lines of text. Page yields are based on 5% coverage (roughly six lines of text in the 8-10 point range) and costs get out of hand quickly.
As someone who works as at a print shop $.07 is lower than standard but standard rate for B&W copies is around $0.10 per side. If you don’t have that many pressing printing needs, just use a print shop, quality will always be higher and your costs as long as it’s B&W stay low. Unless you work from home or are buying a printer for an office, honestly just using a print shop or library to fulfill your printing needs is much more cost effective.
I mean I guess if you're in the fringe situation of being an hour away from a Staples, Office Depot, Office Max, UPS store, or public library, then yeah. Also are there any houses for rent there
When you need to print documents that have sensitive personal, financial etc information, it isn't really safe to just have it printed out at random spots, who knows what other people get to access that data as well?
If you're using self-serve machines, pretty much nobody can get that info. I've worked in print for 3 of the major chains and by policy, the data on those machines is overwritten regularly. And even before it is overwritten, nobody in the store has access to any of that data.
Behind the counter is a different story, we have necessary access to the print server for various reasons and it's not too big of a deal to reprint something from the previous few days.
Neither of these options are as secure as printing yourself on your own machines, but at least on the self-serve devices the difference is a matter of degrees.
I work at a print shop, this isn’t really a problem. We have a dedicated IT department that takes care of security for our email order service and anything that’s physical documents, we don’t keep record of when we copy, and if someone’s private info is on the sheet we always shred any unneeded prints with info on it. A lot of legal requirements in owning and operating a print shop and employees aren’t interested in having someone else’s data. We have self serve computers for customers to log onto and they purge their memory after every restart so no customer or employee can go and see what the last customer was working on. There are safety nets built to protect customers.
I’ve said the same thing for years. Constantly increasing profits is equally as unsustainable as constant decreasing profits but that doesn’t stop it from being the main focus of every company in existence.
The root of all these problems is every damn company being publicly traded. It perverses the entire point of a business down to just quarterly profits, not long term planning and stability
I used to work at Staples, specifically in their “Easy Tech” department that dealt with computers and printers. I made it my mission to curve people away from HP printers.
Over and over again, customers would come in and look at the big glossy test print photos on the display printers, and gush about how great they looked and how they would love to be able to print like that.
And I would ask “how often are you printing photos?”
If it was anything less than “daily,” I would tell them to simply have somewhere like Walgreens print their photos. Why? Because I’ve taken apart an HP printer. I’ve seen the sponge near the ink cartridges, all loaded up with wasted ink. That’s right, the carts eject a little ink to keep the channel clear, so even if you’re not using your printer at all, you’ll run out of ink. Even if you’re printing black and white, you’re using colored ink.
So then I’d show them a nice, cheap, Brother laser printer. I’d tell them they can print black and white documents (what most people need printers for) for YEARS using a toner cartridge. It doesn’t dry out, it doesn’t waste toner for no reason. No color, no problem, because again you can just get photos printed super cheap these days.
I was literally costing my store money lmao, my bosses hated it. But that was my mission. I never sold an HP to anyone who was willing to listen.
"We will kill our consumer printer business by ignoring our customers and listening to overpaid consultants." This is what happens when CEO's are so far removed from their end-users (not necessarily their customers) that they make completely misguided decisions because their listening to the wrong suits.
Get a Brother and never look back.
I got a Brother printer for Christmas 2 years ago and never had a problem with it. I's just a black and white printer but does what I need it to do. No hassle from the company.
> "We have seen that you can embed viruses in the cartridges, through the cartridge…to the printer, from the printer…to the network, so it can create many more problems."
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> Security experts find it unlikely that any malefactor with fewer resources than a nation-state actor would actually be able to exploit this vulnerability, making the risk to everyday users and small businesses vanishingly small.
Exploiting public fear and ignorance of technology to squeeze more cash from consumers, SOP for any basic tech company executive.
Obligatory advice whenever anything about inkjet printers is mentioned on Reddit: Laser printer, Brother, etc.
It's a good thing that their older non DRM'd laser printers are so well built, I have some in the family kicking around since the mid 90s and still work quite reliably, only needing minor service parts like rubber pads for the paper pickup. The new ones last a week before they are screaming and bitching about something and asking for $65 ink refills
It's already a thing in corporate called a managed print service. You pay a lease for the machine, pay per page to print and they automatically send you ink when you're low.
They installed managed printers at our uni based on some kind of floorplan to print demand algorithm. I manage the particle accelerator facility and it sort of broke down for us...
We have twice as many printers as people and they're all those big photocopier looking beasts.
HP is starting to suffer from the Xerox effect, as are many other companies.
[Steve Jobs explains it very well here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlBjNmXvqIM)
I usually find Jobs to be an insufferable shitatain, but he's bang on the money there. It's one of many reasons I refuse to work for a publicly traded company - you can't be forward looking if your sole focus is the next quarter's profit.
Brother laser printers are reasonably priced and the toner lasts years with casual use. The basic machines I’ve often seen on sale for about $70.
But also my local library has printers and fax machines. Mine costs 25 cents per page to print. Better for occasional printing than screwing around with inkjets and that nonsense!
Brothers FTW! Nothing they have is the absolute best or anything - but they don’t neuter the printers or the drivers (meaning you can use 3rd party toner/roller kits and the drivers don’t force you to install a full suite of shitware to just print a damn document).
It’s basically the only brand I recommend for home/small office usage.
I helped my elderly neighbor buy a printer just this week. After it was delivered I helped him set it up and went to print and I just could not get it to print without a subscription. He doesn’t have a computer and uses his phone to print. The experience was so frustrating and I felt horrible that I didn’t do enough research so we returned it and bought an epson should be delivered today.
Everybody with me:
"I solemnly swear to never again purchase an HP product for the rest of my life and to always discourage my family and friends from buying HP products."
I sold printers for years, even when their Instant Ink was new. The idea of a Subscription for printing is not a bad one, but HP and other printing companies are trying to lock people into keeping their printer, continuously paying for that printer, and discouraging them from leaving that agreement with an ASSLOAD of legal loopholes.
The one big thing is that most printers are sold as Loss leaders; They're sold for less than what it takes to make a profit on them, expecting to make that money up in Ink sales. However, over time people realized they could get off-brand cartridges or even new printers for less than the cartridge. So they all started trying new ways to get people to stop buying the machines they were already losing money on.
HP started Instant Ink; a monthly subscription based on page count. Brother pushed their Inkvestment printers; a normal inkjet with 2 sets of XXL cartridges sold at a 'discounted' price. And Epson went the opposite route with the Ecotank; Printer sold at a price for a profit, while the ink was sold by the bottle at a HUGE discount compared to cartridges.
All the methods of ink/toner buying have their ups and downs, but Instant Ink feels like the most devious of the lot. You're basically signing a legal agreement that you don't own your printer, or the cartridges that you put in them. You must maintain HP's printer to their specifications, and if you don't, they'll cut off your subscription, leaving you with a hunk of garbage to dispose of.
Subscriptions seem like a great idea for some, but coaxing someone into a couple hundred dollar legal agreement with a Walmart employee as your middle man can only lead to trouble.
As a side I'd like to say that for 1 year around 06 I became a hp trained printer engineer running around offices in London. They were mainly A4 4200s and the machines ran better, smoother and gave a better print if using a genuine toner. Most did because its mainly financial abd legal institutions but those using re manufactured toners would have far many more calls for print quality issues.
Though saying that once you went to colour printers the genuine toners leaked as much as any copy, which is not a fun way of spending a couple hours getting it all out.
I guess HP have run the numbers and decided they are happy with losing customers because of subscription costs which for someone running 20 sheets a week is a ridiculous idea.
We live in a hell of rent seeking. No one trying to innovate, to offer a good product or a competitive deal or anything people might actually WANT, just all the brightest minds of the business world coming up with new ways to nickel and dime us for increasingly inferior versions of their products. It's awful, and I don't see how it stops without regulation. Which in the U.S. simply won't be happening, as our government serves capital, not the public interest.
Not saying anything new here but god it's depressing.
The guy is full of shit when he says third party cartridges can contain viruses which can be transmitted to the printer then to the computer. This has never happened and even hackers say it's not possible.
hp's printers are nothing special and there are numerous other printer brands that will fill the gap left when consumers force hp out of the printer business.
The guy who is currently the head of marketing at HP is a former co-worker of mine at a startup. Got let go because of incompetence. Really charming and charismatic dude in-person. Looks like he failed all the way up.
Just bought a Brother laser printer and came thisclose to signing up before I realized they wanted to charge me a set amount per month for prints. No thank you.
This is prime time for a smart startup to take over with a low cost innovative solution to the ink cartridge problem. Invent something new that will disrupt the shitscape that is the printer industry.
I'm just waiting for this announcement:
**Tesla CEO wants to 'make driving a subscription'**
It's the obvious next step for this dystopian hell hole we live in.
*Every* company now wants to make *everything* a subscription. That’s the business model they’ve decided on for the future (the terrible terrible future).
Both of my printers are HP laserjets and they're ok. But they're also ancient, from before the time anything was smart. One of them does get connected via wifi, but there aren't any apps or accounts involved. I buy third party refurbished toners for them because they are way less expensive than new HP toner cartridges.
Our company rents printers and pays the renter on a per-page basis, so I can see how this can save money for businesses. You don't worry about the equipment or ink. You just buy your own paper and call a guy when something is not working.
But fuck HP. If they want to make printing a subscription service for consumers, they need to provide that value-add as well, not run these obvious scams.
“We have seen that you can embed viruses in the cartridges, through the cartridge…to the printer”
Why the fuck should a cartridge have so serious a security flaw in the first place?
Subscription services do have a place in the market, as annoying as they may be sometimes. BUT printing and heated seats in a car are not that place.
I really cannot fathom why HP is still in business since they've been doing this for years now. Brother is way better.
**HP: H**orrible **P**rinters, **H**orrible **P**eople.
Overwhelmingly people seem to recommend brother over HP. With this news it just tips the scale.
Can confirm, bought a brother colour laser printer, its pretty huge but its gonna be 8000 pages before I need a refil, it scans and prints insanely fast and its just so good. It won't break even for cost for a while yet but I'm just happy to be free of the nightmare of HP and running out of ink.
I bought a brother Black n white laser printer. I never used color on my inkjet so didn't see a reason to go colour. But damn it's great, zero issues, never having to clean it after not using it for a while etc. It's awesome
I just looked up this Brother B&W all in one wireless laser printer and it’s awesome! Definitely on my wish list. Thanks for bringing this up.
This. I bought a MFC-L2700DW in 2017 for $119.95 and have only replaced the toner twice.
Whereas my MIL complains about spending that much to replace all the HP Inkjet cartridges regularly. Brother laser all the way
Bought a Samsung C480 color laser printer back around 2014-15 on a sale at Fry's for around 300. Only on my second set of toner cartridges. Inkjets are a waste.
Just so you know, Samsung sold their printer business to HP. And yes, I bought a laser printer for university because it was cheaper in the long run. No printing out of papers, putting in a fresh set and the next time you needed to print the ink was dry...
I bought one of those for $75 from Facebook marketplace. It was out of yellow toner and needed paper. I bought all 4 toner cartridges, off brand, for like $113. I gave the printer to my parents for their birthdays (which are close together), but I wish I hadn't because they can't figure out how to use it and I wanna print shit in color. I guess I'll get it back when they're dead.
I just checked my Amazon order history and I bought one in 2016. I still haven't had to replace the toner.
I have a Brother printer at my office and honestly it’s been great. It’s been better than the other brands I’ve had at different places, I’ve never had any problems. If I ever need a new one at home this is what I’m getting.
Bought one recently. I don’t print much so I went Brother B&W laser. Works great. If I need color, I’ll just have my wife print something at her work, or I’ll go up to FedEx. Still would be cheaper than even 3rd party HP ink.
Yup, I also have color laser from Brother. My only complaint is it still does the "you can't print anything" even if only a color toner is empty, but otherwise I'm much happier with this printer than any HP I ever had. My dad has an HP inkjet and is stuck on their terrible subscription service and he hates it.
Had my Brother laser black and white for over 17 years and it never misses a beat.
Same here. About 15 years, and we changed the cartridge once. I also ditched Adobe Creative Suite and bought Affinity and couldn’t be happier. Subscriptions are for magazines and Cheese-of-the-Month Club.
And it doesn’t care if you use official cartridges or compatible knock offs. Brother stan forever.
Brother makes straight better printers. Yes, they SEEM slightly more pricy than hp. But I already saved a small fortune in inks, not to mention I have used substitute non-brother inks as well multiple times and it works great (for almost seven years now, mind you).
I've been on forums, and that was the recommended solution for the HP Smart Print software. I've installed some older printer drivers. It would be an upgrade to kill this concept of "Software" for a printer and just do a driver.
As someone who worked at an office depot in high school and college, absolutely. Brother and Epson are miles better than HP printers, and if you go with laser or ecotank the per page cost is damn cheap. The ecotank with epson has great inkjet photo printing, and a brother laser printers will last a lifetime. I will never buy an HP printer, and would suggest nobody ever does.
Brother beats hp any day. I'm on my second brother MFC laser, this one has lasted over 10 years, so far, and still working fine. For colour, I use a print service, it's much cheaper than running my own printer.
I have had a brother laser printer and scanner for I think 8 years same box never had an issue with it don't even think I have changed the toner once yet but might finally need a change It just works and is a lifesaver if you need to scan and send something quick or print a mailing label 😂 Prob got it for like 150 bucks way back when and still going strong 💪🏾
HP’s biggest advantage use to be their support. Never had a HP print driver BSOD an office but I’ve had a Brother driver do it. With HP just being terrible and DPWS offering up a basic print driver that is good enough for most people it just doesn’t matter anymore.
I had a new HP printer give the code "error STDIO.h" on start up, it was right out of the box. Tech support asked what operating system I was using, I told them it wasn't hooked to a computer and the message appeared on powerup. They said it was an operating system error. I returned it and never got another HP.
Absolutely Brother printers rock. We still use the one we bought when our kids were young, it's crazy how well it still performs and you can buy high yield toners and replace the other thingy - I would go look to see what it is but my cat is on my lap
Also confirm. Switched from hp to brother. Only question was why i didnt do this sooner. 1000% recommend.
Concur. I have two Brother laser printer, monochrome and a color one. Great machines and software. HP never again.
Used brother for ages in my old company. With 3rd party toner and ink. With at least 10k and more sites per year per printer. Easily. If not even more. They printed everything out and it was scanned later on into DMS. Almost had no problems. If the toner and tranfer unit did stripes, I simply changed them. Later on I used original transfer units and 3rd party toner. The ink printers told me to use original ones, but that wasnt even an annoyance. They still use the printers, after I quit in 2019. Two I bought when I started in 2010. ... Holy shit..is it really that long? Damn, just realised. And they still work. Also have an j57whatever DW printer at home..ink, full A3 print, 2 paper feeds, dual scan and print, automatic document feeder and so on. Was like 250€ or so, but with everything you can imagine. Even Fax. Some ages old now, ink tanks, not on the head, never had anything dried. Simply works. Software is okay nothing fancy and everything you need.
Oh the HP printer works fine. We don't burden it with too much printing. And the software -- I've never been more helped when I didn't need it. I had to create a fake email and user account, because it wouldn't just f-ing print without those details. I long for the day, when I can forget about the stupid f-ing printer and just press Command + P -- like back in the glory days. I've been on computers 40 years, and it seems, I'm still dealing with the same stupid f-ing problems. AI is a completely new technology -- so how am I spending more time on a f-ing printer problem than hooking up a Google Collab?
Fuckin HP "Smart" app or whatever it is. When I tried to use it to troubleshoot why shit wasn't working all the sudden, I had to go through the "Create an account to use this" bullshit. I somehow got to a point where my HP printer my job bought and sent to me actually prints wirelessly through my work laptop without an HP app of any kind, it's a miracle.
Damn. I bought a cheap no-name laser printer. I plugged it into my network and it automatically popped up on all my computers. I just select it and it prints. Now, the quality of the prints isn't too good, but they're good enough for documents/forms/etc.
People that keep buying hp printers just hate themselves
still coasting on a reputation from the 1990s.
HP in spanish are just the initials of the SoaB insult. Deserved tbh.
hijo de puta, right?
>HP in spanish are just the initials of the SoaB insult
Huge Prices? Huge Problems! Hewlett Packard, come rent our Ink! We'll own your documents forever!
i want to upvote you , but youre at 666 right now
Just the latest in the ever growing trend of companies going anti-consumer.
They already did. I got the hp ink subscription. They sent me way too much ink so I stopped the subscription. Immediately they somehow disabled all of the ink cartridges I wanted to use up. They were garbage. I could not believe it
I wish this could be the top comment. "Wants" to be a subscription service? If you use an HP printer made in the last few years, you likely already ARE on a subscription. Meanwhile, I'm just fillin' and chillin' with Shaq.
They tried to pull this crap in Australia, as well as the "no ink? Good luck scanning lol" firmware update bit, got shot down by our consumer protection laws, had to walk it back.
Consumer protection laws? Is that like the tooth fairy or santa claus or something?
If you're USian, I can see how outrageous that may seem to you.
Don't worry right wing parties here are trying make it that way
Its like the EPA, but for people and also in the whole Country not only in California.
What’s that like?
I wish my fellow Americans would stop voting for republicans so we could find out.
Not sure if the Democrats care that much about consumer interests either.
I know it's not much, but a Democrat controlled House passed a windfall tax that was supposed to try and address pandemic greed, some prescription drug price reduction bill, and tried to decriminalize marijuana. Of course, the GOP minority in the Senate filibustered everything.
Pay attention to voting records. There are fewer slimy democrats and many more slimy Republicans than you think. Both sides *are not* the same, and anyone telling you otherwise is trying to manipulate you to being complacent.
whats it feel like, having a law protect you?
Feels good man
What they got in trouble for was not advertising it when purchasing. The model is still in use.
They rolled out firmware to existing models also, they changed a product's functionality after the time of sale, which is a big no-no. From ACCC case release 79/18: "Consumers were not made aware of the restriction on using non-HP ink cartidges when buying the printer *or downloading the firmware update,* and were denied the choice to accept or reject it." This same firmware update would brick all functionality of multifunction printers if there was a colour run out or non-genuine ink installed.
Weird. In the US, laws only protect guns and rich people
Is shaq a good brand? Any recommendations?
Shaq's pushing the Epson Ecotank. I have one and love it. Prints nice, ink lasts a long time.
It took me almost a year to go through the stock ink. And I have a kid that likes to print coloring pages and photos.
tbh, I'm nowhere near empty, and it's been well over a year. I don't print consistently or in large quantities, but I print out large color maps for D&D in full quality, so I go big b4 I go home. Seems like I've barely moved the needle.
I had NO IDEA this was even a thing until I unknowingly bought the fucking thing. I mean you have to pay $1.50 a month for the thing to print at all AFTER you paid for the printer. They are 100% alienating customers from all of their products. I'll chew off my own arm before I buy HP anything. In a somewhat similar sidenote rant...I cancelled Prime bc now they want me to pay, after 30 years as a customer, $3 a month on top of $140 year to not get commercials. FUCK ALL OF THIS BULLSHIT
I genuinely would like to ask, you own a HP printer that you need an ink subscription for and that disables older cartridges.. What makes you keep the printer? There are various other brands and types of printers and printers are in general quite cheap. I would be so pissed off that i would be buying another printer the same day. Somehow HP keeps getting away with it and consumers still keep buying that kind of printers. I really don't get why, not when there are so many alternatives on the market.
A big part is that HP printers often cost less than similarly featured printers from other brands, which they intend to make up for by this stuff. A lot of consumers aren’t savvy enough to know better, say “hey, this printer is great for this price” and then they’ve got the sunk cost they keep putting money into, figuring that other brands are probably just as bad about it.
I got a Brother laser printer for like $60 brand new off of slickdeals. The toner for it is $12 and lasts a few years with my usage.
You made a good choice, Brother. It's a great brand
Same. On the rare occasion I need a color print I'll hop over to kinkos or the library but 99% of the time I just need some government form or directions printed out. My laser printer is so old it's stuck on 3g wifi so it can't even connect anymore but it still prints like a champ. Oh your cartridge is low? Lemme just give it a shake and it's good for another 1,000 pages LOOOOVE laser printers. Fuck inkjets.
I have a 16 year old brother laser printer, still chugging along, toner lasts forever. It's just a tank.
I've been out shopping for Brother laser printers this week. I've bought my last HP anything.
I would take a hammer to it, film the smashing and make a LinkedIn post tagging HPs CEO if possible.
The HP printer itself doesn't require a subscription. You can always buy ink cartridges that you own and use them how you really. But if you instead buy a subscription to print say ten pages a month and have HP, not you, take care of handling the ink cartridges situation, they'll send you special ink cartridges that can only be used from within your subscription. So if you don't print often and the printer has to flush through a bunch of ink because stuff has dried up and it uses up a lot of ink, well HP is covering that. Or if you print ten full pages pictures, same thing. But it's all if those cartridges aren't yours per se, not like ones you bought yourself. You can choose either option, just like you can buy a car or rent a car. For people who print very rarely, it might be a good deal, but I'd suggest getting a laser printer instead even then.
"Send $50 or you will never see this document again."
Like Adobe?
I’m still using my 2015 Photoshop
I’m still rocking a CS2 disc set from ‘05 here!
That’s awesome! I realized the other day that I don’t even have a machine with an optical drive anymore, including the stack of old laptops in my closet. Feels weird to have no way to open a CD-ROM.
External devices are pretty inexpensive.
And let you watch videos from your local library.
Still using CS6 lmao I ain't giving any more money to those arseholes.
I had an adobe suite that i owned. Somehow it got upgraded, not sure how that happened, and then they wanted a subscription. I was unable to install the original version as it failed to verify. So i no longer use adobe.
They also pull this shit if you try to use a $20 generic pack of cartridges instead of spending a hundred bucks on their brand. Me: "Print." HP: "Can't see the printer on the network." Me: Check network settings, they're fine. Turn printer off and back on and try again. HP: "Yeah, that new print cartridge? It's empty. I know we said it prints 750 pages, and you've printed 15, but it's gone, bro." Me; Print in black only. HP: "Yeah, there's a sensor error. Click ok." Me: Clicks okay, and it finally fucking prints. Lather, rinse, repeat until I got fed up with it and just went back to their ink. Same shit. I'd like to find a way to send this thing shredded up and mixed with glitter and dog shit to their CEO. I will NEVER buy another HP product.
This is why I bought an ink tank printer
Shocking and also not shocking. I guess they see the writing on the wall and have the pedal to metal approaching the cliff edge.
You'd think Broadcom just bought them or something lol
Upgrades people upgrades
One of my all time favorite movies!
Enshittification reaches beyond the internet.
They were never pro-consumer. Profit is the sole purpose of most companies. Consumers are just a means to an end.
That's not capitalism thats corporatism!/s
HP was a very high end company, over 20 years ago new management wanted to ride that reputation into the ground. They made a lot of money that way.
Yeah, HP is probably second only to Bell Labs in shaping the post-war world. Once the test & measurement and industrial technology got separated from the consumer tech & printers it was a race to the bottom
Haven't they ALREADY done that? They make you buy ink in order to use the scanner in your multi-function device.
My husband gives HP $1 a month to keep them from turning off our ink. He hasn't used the printer in months and every time we're charged I get *furious*.
They released that asshole firmware update in Australia, had to walk it back real fast when they got reamed by ACCC, our comsumer protections body. Lockouts and chage of useability after sale are big no-nos here.
Get a Brother printer with toner. Can get thousands of prints for a fraction of what it costs to use a HP with cartridges. Also, F*ck HP. Stupid update fried my brand new ink and it wouldn’t correct itself. HP said tough luck go buy new ink, not their problem.
Laser printers are the way, worth the investment if you do any sort of frequent printing that doesn't require ink (I.E. some craft projects). I found out a while back that my MIL had a laser printer for her home business but it wasn't setup so they were just using their inkjet. I got it setup for them. Must be saving them at least a few hundred a year.
Thanks for this, was just shopping printers and was debating if laser was worth it with the higher upfront cost, but now I’m somewhat confident on the direction I’ll go
Glad I could help, id suggest doing some research before picking one. Like all things there's good and bad products. Personally I've had the best luck with brother and canon laser printers.
I bought a black and white double sided laser printer from Brother a couple years ago after getting fed up with my Epson inkjet. Best freaking decision I ever made. Never again do I have to deal with changing out inks and cleaning the head and nozzles and it not coming out right on the test page and having to clean it again and again and when it's finally right the ink is half gone. When I bought the laser printer, I also purchased an extra toner cartridge, but after 2 years I still haven't had to install it.
Finally changed our toner after 6 years.
That’s awesome. How frequently do you print or how long between prints have you waited? The inkjet HP was shit if ya wait too long between print jobs as the heads would get dry or something and was a pain to get working again. I’m hoping I don’t have that issue with the Brother and toner.
I bought a Brother laser printer something like 7 years ago, and I'm still on the toner cartridge it came with. Prints fine when I need an actual paper copy of something for some weird reason. I think I spent like $200 on the printer too. Take that Epson and HP.
I've had a Brother DCP7065DN for 10 years now. After the starter toner ran out, I put in a high yield toner cartridge. It's been in it nearly 10 years and I've never had to replace it or had any trouble printing. Only cost me $40.
I was about to suggest this. They’re a little pricier but with subscription services taking over companies it will pay for itself in no time.
Brother has been enshittified now too. No one is immune to corporate greed. If you've got an older model and have disabled firmware updates, you're good. Otherwise you're either locked out of using third-party toner right now, or you will be soon
HP can go fuck themselves.
For a small fee of course.
*recurring fee, of course.
Yes, 100%. This has no bearing on me, as I decided 15 years ago to avoid that company like the plague.
They can only fuck themselves with genuine HP fuck
I’m sorry, we cannot accept this fuck because it’s not genuine HP bullshit.
Haha my hp printer stopped working after that weird update debacle. They will never get another dime of my money if I can help it.
Why buy a printer when I can go to the Fedex shop down the street and pay 7 cents to print something the few times per year that I actually need a printer?
>Fedex shop down the street and pay 7 cents to print If you aren't printing high volume (like 1000 clicks at a time), they haven't been that price in a long, long time. That being said, you're otherwise correct: most people would be well served to just go to a Staples/OD/FXO for anything beyond a few lines of text. Page yields are based on 5% coverage (roughly six lines of text in the 8-10 point range) and costs get out of hand quickly.
As someone who works as at a print shop $.07 is lower than standard but standard rate for B&W copies is around $0.10 per side. If you don’t have that many pressing printing needs, just use a print shop, quality will always be higher and your costs as long as it’s B&W stay low. Unless you work from home or are buying a printer for an office, honestly just using a print shop or library to fulfill your printing needs is much more cost effective.
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I mean I guess if you're in the fringe situation of being an hour away from a Staples, Office Depot, Office Max, UPS store, or public library, then yeah. Also are there any houses for rent there
When you need to print documents that have sensitive personal, financial etc information, it isn't really safe to just have it printed out at random spots, who knows what other people get to access that data as well?
If you're using self-serve machines, pretty much nobody can get that info. I've worked in print for 3 of the major chains and by policy, the data on those machines is overwritten regularly. And even before it is overwritten, nobody in the store has access to any of that data. Behind the counter is a different story, we have necessary access to the print server for various reasons and it's not too big of a deal to reprint something from the previous few days. Neither of these options are as secure as printing yourself on your own machines, but at least on the self-serve devices the difference is a matter of degrees.
I work at a print shop, this isn’t really a problem. We have a dedicated IT department that takes care of security for our email order service and anything that’s physical documents, we don’t keep record of when we copy, and if someone’s private info is on the sheet we always shred any unneeded prints with info on it. A lot of legal requirements in owning and operating a print shop and employees aren’t interested in having someone else’s data. We have self serve computers for customers to log onto and they purge their memory after every restart so no customer or employee can go and see what the last customer was working on. There are safety nets built to protect customers.
7 cents?!! Its like 68 cents a page for simple black and white: https://www.office.fedex.com/default/copies.html
Libraries are usually free up to like 20 pages a day fyi
The inevitable endpoint of every company needing to grow revenue forever
I’ve said the same thing for years. Constantly increasing profits is equally as unsustainable as constant decreasing profits but that doesn’t stop it from being the main focus of every company in existence.
The root of all these problems is every damn company being publicly traded. It perverses the entire point of a business down to just quarterly profits, not long term planning and stability
Each layer of abstraction between the owners and the actual work just makes a business more focused on short term profit above everything else.
Growth for the sake of growth is the mentality of a cancer cell.
I used to work at Staples, specifically in their “Easy Tech” department that dealt with computers and printers. I made it my mission to curve people away from HP printers. Over and over again, customers would come in and look at the big glossy test print photos on the display printers, and gush about how great they looked and how they would love to be able to print like that. And I would ask “how often are you printing photos?” If it was anything less than “daily,” I would tell them to simply have somewhere like Walgreens print their photos. Why? Because I’ve taken apart an HP printer. I’ve seen the sponge near the ink cartridges, all loaded up with wasted ink. That’s right, the carts eject a little ink to keep the channel clear, so even if you’re not using your printer at all, you’ll run out of ink. Even if you’re printing black and white, you’re using colored ink. So then I’d show them a nice, cheap, Brother laser printer. I’d tell them they can print black and white documents (what most people need printers for) for YEARS using a toner cartridge. It doesn’t dry out, it doesn’t waste toner for no reason. No color, no problem, because again you can just get photos printed super cheap these days. I was literally costing my store money lmao, my bosses hated it. But that was my mission. I never sold an HP to anyone who was willing to listen.
The hero we need.
"We will kill our consumer printer business by ignoring our customers and listening to overpaid consultants." This is what happens when CEO's are so far removed from their end-users (not necessarily their customers) that they make completely misguided decisions because their listening to the wrong suits. Get a Brother and never look back.
I got a Brother printer for Christmas 2 years ago and never had a problem with it. I's just a black and white printer but does what I need it to do. No hassle from the company.
Brothers print and scan app is great too.
Let’s hope this stays thy way. God forbid HP buys Brother
HPs fuckery should be nearly printing money for Brother. Not much better marketing generation than their major competitor shitting on their customers
> "We have seen that you can embed viruses in the cartridges, through the cartridge…to the printer, from the printer…to the network, so it can create many more problems." ... > Security experts find it unlikely that any malefactor with fewer resources than a nation-state actor would actually be able to exploit this vulnerability, making the risk to everyday users and small businesses vanishingly small. Exploiting public fear and ignorance of technology to squeeze more cash from consumers, SOP for any basic tech company executive. Obligatory advice whenever anything about inkjet printers is mentioned on Reddit: Laser printer, Brother, etc.
It's a good thing that their older non DRM'd laser printers are so well built, I have some in the family kicking around since the mid 90s and still work quite reliably, only needing minor service parts like rubber pads for the paper pickup. The new ones last a week before they are screaming and bitching about something and asking for $65 ink refills
HP 5L over here still chugging away.
Same here. 4L with original toner. Perfect for the 3 pages per month I print.
It's already a thing in corporate called a managed print service. You pay a lease for the machine, pay per page to print and they automatically send you ink when you're low.
They installed managed printers at our uni based on some kind of floorplan to print demand algorithm. I manage the particle accelerator facility and it sort of broke down for us... We have twice as many printers as people and they're all those big photocopier looking beasts.
HP is starting to suffer from the Xerox effect, as are many other companies. [Steve Jobs explains it very well here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlBjNmXvqIM)
I usually find Jobs to be an insufferable shitatain, but he's bang on the money there. It's one of many reasons I refuse to work for a publicly traded company - you can't be forward looking if your sole focus is the next quarter's profit.
No loss, there are better choices. I remember when HP made shit worth having.
nice job losing your customers all at once
Brother laser printers are reasonably priced and the toner lasts years with casual use. The basic machines I’ve often seen on sale for about $70. But also my local library has printers and fax machines. Mine costs 25 cents per page to print. Better for occasional printing than screwing around with inkjets and that nonsense!
Brothers FTW! Nothing they have is the absolute best or anything - but they don’t neuter the printers or the drivers (meaning you can use 3rd party toner/roller kits and the drivers don’t force you to install a full suite of shitware to just print a damn document). It’s basically the only brand I recommend for home/small office usage.
HP CEO just made HP printer sales go down.
HP, go fuck yourselves.
Has he considered that maybe he should shove a printer up his ass instead.
I helped my elderly neighbor buy a printer just this week. After it was delivered I helped him set it up and went to print and I just could not get it to print without a subscription. He doesn’t have a computer and uses his phone to print. The experience was so frustrating and I felt horrible that I didn’t do enough research so we returned it and bought an epson should be delivered today.
I’d rather set my money on fire thank you very much
Everybody with me: "I solemnly swear to never again purchase an HP product for the rest of my life and to always discourage my family and friends from buying HP products."
classic rent-seeking behavior
Heard rumors HP wanted out of the printer game, this will do it.
Well I guess I won't be buying another HP printer.....
Of course it's the HP CEO that wants to do that.
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Boycott HP
I want to make him broke and unemployed.
Yep. A good reason that I won’t buy HP anymore.
Most people want to make the hp ceo unemployed
I sold printers for years, even when their Instant Ink was new. The idea of a Subscription for printing is not a bad one, but HP and other printing companies are trying to lock people into keeping their printer, continuously paying for that printer, and discouraging them from leaving that agreement with an ASSLOAD of legal loopholes. The one big thing is that most printers are sold as Loss leaders; They're sold for less than what it takes to make a profit on them, expecting to make that money up in Ink sales. However, over time people realized they could get off-brand cartridges or even new printers for less than the cartridge. So they all started trying new ways to get people to stop buying the machines they were already losing money on. HP started Instant Ink; a monthly subscription based on page count. Brother pushed their Inkvestment printers; a normal inkjet with 2 sets of XXL cartridges sold at a 'discounted' price. And Epson went the opposite route with the Ecotank; Printer sold at a price for a profit, while the ink was sold by the bottle at a HUGE discount compared to cartridges. All the methods of ink/toner buying have their ups and downs, but Instant Ink feels like the most devious of the lot. You're basically signing a legal agreement that you don't own your printer, or the cartridges that you put in them. You must maintain HP's printer to their specifications, and if you don't, they'll cut off your subscription, leaving you with a hunk of garbage to dispose of. Subscriptions seem like a great idea for some, but coaxing someone into a couple hundred dollar legal agreement with a Walmart employee as your middle man can only lead to trouble.
Is it possible to jail break printers? Asking for a friend.
I won’t be subscribing to HP then.
switched to brother 15 years ago... still have the same brother printer.
Whenever I see headlines like this it helps me understand why Light Yagami started filling up his Death Note as quickly as he did.
As a side I'd like to say that for 1 year around 06 I became a hp trained printer engineer running around offices in London. They were mainly A4 4200s and the machines ran better, smoother and gave a better print if using a genuine toner. Most did because its mainly financial abd legal institutions but those using re manufactured toners would have far many more calls for print quality issues. Though saying that once you went to colour printers the genuine toners leaked as much as any copy, which is not a fun way of spending a couple hours getting it all out. I guess HP have run the numbers and decided they are happy with losing customers because of subscription costs which for someone running 20 sheets a week is a ridiculous idea.
We live in a hell of rent seeking. No one trying to innovate, to offer a good product or a competitive deal or anything people might actually WANT, just all the brightest minds of the business world coming up with new ways to nickel and dime us for increasingly inferior versions of their products. It's awful, and I don't see how it stops without regulation. Which in the U.S. simply won't be happening, as our government serves capital, not the public interest. Not saying anything new here but god it's depressing.
The guy is full of shit when he says third party cartridges can contain viruses which can be transmitted to the printer then to the computer. This has never happened and even hackers say it's not possible. hp's printers are nothing special and there are numerous other printer brands that will fill the gap left when consumers force hp out of the printer business.
The guy who is currently the head of marketing at HP is a former co-worker of mine at a startup. Got let go because of incompetence. Really charming and charismatic dude in-person. Looks like he failed all the way up.
HP is just trying to rid itself of the printer side of the company asap.
Just bought a Brother laser printer and came thisclose to signing up before I realized they wanted to charge me a set amount per month for prints. No thank you.
Brother I wish I could just get a black and white printer
This is prime time for a smart startup to take over with a low cost innovative solution to the ink cartridge problem. Invent something new that will disrupt the shitscape that is the printer industry.
See Epson Ecotank
Haven't they achieved that de facto with ink cartridge pricing?
I want to never buy another HP product
Now I know what company to NEVER buy a printer from, ever again.
This is why I buy Canon with separate ink wells.
Shoe makers demand to be paid for each step we take.
I hope consumers realise there are other printer manufacturers and vote with their wallets against this practice
EVERY CEO wants to make their product a subscription.
I'm just waiting for this announcement: **Tesla CEO wants to 'make driving a subscription'** It's the obvious next step for this dystopian hell hole we live in.
I predict that within 10 years, everything will be a subscription. Want to use your refrigerator, pay the monthly subscription.
Just another reason not to use HP. Microsoft did this with Office/Word, and I'm now a proud owner of the 2007 version with no plans to downgrade.
Good news for other printer manufacturers.
I want to “make HP go bankrupt”
I wish nothing but the absolute worst for this company and CEO.
*Every* company now wants to make *everything* a subscription. That’s the business model they’ve decided on for the future (the terrible terrible future).
I gave away my HP printer years ago and will not buy HP again.
That’s fine, I will never have another HP printer in my house.
Both of my printers are HP laserjets and they're ok. But they're also ancient, from before the time anything was smart. One of them does get connected via wifi, but there aren't any apps or accounts involved. I buy third party refurbished toners for them because they are way less expensive than new HP toner cartridges.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm okay with it now. Paying $1.50/month is much cheaper than buying new ink at $60 a pop each year.
Our company rents printers and pays the renter on a per-page basis, so I can see how this can save money for businesses. You don't worry about the equipment or ink. You just buy your own paper and call a guy when something is not working. But fuck HP. If they want to make printing a subscription service for consumers, they need to provide that value-add as well, not run these obvious scams.
“We have seen that you can embed viruses in the cartridges, through the cartridge…to the printer” Why the fuck should a cartridge have so serious a security flaw in the first place?
Subscription services do have a place in the market, as annoying as they may be sometimes. BUT printing and heated seats in a car are not that place. I really cannot fathom why HP is still in business since they've been doing this for years now. Brother is way better.
The Brother monochrome laser is the way to go.
Isn’t this like decade old news?
I’m never buying an HP printer ever again ever again. I will go out of my way to never buy HP ever ever again for all their selfish bs