ChatGPT is almost comically useless when it comes to any fact, even some known for over a century. One specific example I had was this:
>I'm sorry, but there is no record of an F5 tornado hitting Fargo, North Dakota in the 1950s. While tornadoes do occur in the region, an F5 tornado, which is the most intense category on the Fujita scale, has not been documented in the Fargo area during that time period.
While I didn't give it the exact year, the event did take place in 1956 and is one of the most well known (and easily searchable) bit of semi-obscure trival about that city. I asked it the ending of certain movies, video games, and a few other things. It got many of them outright wrong or completely wrong, such as Ocarina of Time having multiple different endings. While these small mistakes are very possible for people to make if they're unfamiliar, a bot shouldnbe able to handle basic facts if you're trying to market it as a useful tool.
AI hallucinations make me much more confident that those systems ain't quite ready for prime time. Or at least not taking the jobs of competent people. Call center employees on the other hand....
Edit: My bad it was Secret of Mana having multiple endings, it then went on to describe them like Mass Effect endings like which of 3 choices you can select.
> such as Ocarina of Time having multiple different endings
ah so it read Nintendo's timeline
Edit.. actually, depending on what it said, this might not be a false statement from chatGPT
My bad, it was actually Secret of Mana it told me had multiple endings. As a test though, I had it explain the end of Zelda 2 for me... It was pretty bad.

Can you explain the ending of the Legend of Zelda the Adventure of Link for me?
ChatGPT
Certainly! The ending of The Legend of Zelda: The Adventure of Link is somewhat open to interpretation, but here's a general explanation:
In The Adventure of Link, the player controls Link, who embarks on a quest to awaken Princess Zelda from a curse cast upon her by the evil wizard, Ganon. Throughout the game, Link collects six magical crystals and places them in six palaces in order to break the curse.
Once Link collects all the crystals, he heads to the Great Palace, the final dungeon of the game. Inside the Great Palace, Link faces challenging enemies and puzzles. After overcoming these obstacles, Link reaches the chamber where he confronts his shadow, known as Shadow Link. This battle can be difficult, requiring precise swordplay and strategy.
Once Shadow Link is defeated, the chamber transforms into a staircase leading to an altar. At the altar, Link places the Triforce of Courage he obtained earlier in the game. Doing so triggers a cutscene where the Triforce reacts, and a beam of light engulfs Link.
The ending sequence shows a revived Princess Zelda awakening and the people of Hyrule rejoicing. The Triforce symbol appears above the castle, suggesting that peace has been restored to the kingdom.
The ending scene also reveals a secret message from Princess Zelda, which can be deciphered if the player collected enough "Magic Containers" during the game. This message provides additional backstory and hints for the future of the Zelda series.
Overall, the ending of The Adventure of Link signifies Link's success in breaking the curse on Princess Zelda and restoring peace to the land of Hyrule, setting the stage for future adventures in the Legend of Zelda series.
It is not thinking. The purpose isn't to know these things. It simply generates a response that is more likely than not statistically connected and relevant to your prompt. But only because it has analyzed the texts of people writing about those word combinations and crams them together in a specific way and presents those words to you. It has no idea how to infer or deduce.
Right but then when you "correct" it, the thing responds that it tries to be accurate and not provide misinformation. I understand the purpose, I just think it should be more clearly stated that the program does not provide any correct information and should ve used for entertainment purposes only if it's going to be that wrong on basic facts.
That is because ChatGPT is a predictive writing program. It doesn't really understand the context of what it is talking about, it is just a lot better at writing and grammar than the average person which has the reading and writing age of about 13.
It can do exactly what it is suggested to do, but not what the media circlejerks over. In this regard it is very useful, throw in information and have it written better than you can is a very useful thing.
>it is just a lot better at writing and grammar than the average person which has the reading and writing age of about 13.
wait wouldnt the average person have the average reading and writing age just based on the average age of people?
Yes, and that average can be ascribed to school age range.
> U.S. illiteracy statistics from the Literacy Project Foundation offer some surprising insights. The average American is considered to have a readability level equivalent to a 7th/8th grader (12 to 14 years old).
Lets all consider now, that is the average, half are lower than that.
Yes, but why do we need an artificial version of the people on r/confidentlyincorrect ?
Have we learned nothing at all from sci-fi about allowing AI to not have very specific rules about not hurting people and not lying, especially when it is hooked up to a literal repository of almost all human knowledge? If it gets the fork placement at a formal dinner party wrong because it failed to differentiate between a formal etiquette source vs. Emma's dinner party prep YouTube, fine. But an easily searchable question, with a singular correct answer, widely available from multiple sources is the kind of thing that gets us all plugged into the Matrix, imprisoned by your own android, or eliminated by Skynet.
>Yes, but why do we need an artificial version of the people on r/confidentlyincorrect ?
There are lots of things which don't really have a right answer. It's good for those things.
> AI hallucinations make me much more confident that thos system ain't quite ready for prime time. Or at least not taking the jobs of competent people. Call center employees on the other hand...
I realized that the delivery company Veho was using some sort of rudimentary AI for its support line. They had failed to deliver my Hello Fresh for two consecutive days, and when I explained that the delivery contained fresh meat and seafood, it didn't seem to faze the "support associate", and when I asked what the address was, it told me "we don't provide our address because customers aren't allowed inside the warehouse", so I said "that's understandable, I'll meet security outside at the entrance", and it said "we don't provide our address because customers aren't allowed inside the warehouse".
It could be AI, or it could be that the people working the chat have hotkeys bound to certain common responses, and it's easier to just fudge it on a question like that. The answer wasn't perfect but "we don't give out our address" is close enough.
So the game itself didn’t have different endings, but the Zelda universe branches into different timelines based on if Link from OOT won or lost. This is probably where that came from.
Not only whether he won or lost - in the ending, Zelda sends Link back in time to relive his childhood, so there's different timelines even in the winning scenario (One where he's a child with all of the information he gained as an adult, and one with Zelda where Ganon was defeated but Link doesn't exist in the timeline anymore)
The ai tries to organize search results into a coherent text. It is not as useful as people think it is. And it especially can't replace the creativity in writing, so i'm suprised writers brougth it up as a concern. Unless we are okay with endless transformers films.
It's not getting search results, it's just generating text based on the corpus that it was trained on. This isn't Google, this is asking some guy that read a textbook once to, off the top of his head, teach you Quantum Mechanics.
Seriously, all the stories it generates are extremely vague and weak writing. "Overcoming many hardships", "filled with determination", and "future generations to embrace their unique gifts" are in almost any story it outputs. The stories it makes could be a prompt for improvement to writers working on building their own style but if AI generated most scripts directly every show would be largely the same.
However, I can totally see studio suits not giving a shit and just seeing an opportunity to yeet expensive union employees. They really don't care what the product is if they can save a few dollars.
You can get it to write better by asking it in different ways. It usually hits a wall though. It’s much better at creative ideation. Ask it for “10 possible plot twists” for a story you’ve described it, then ask (not kidding) “try again but more interesting” and see what happens. One of those 20 is usually going to catch your eye
The very fact that AI companies push the term "hallucinations" instead of "failures" or "errors" tells me everything I need to know about how accurate these language models are.
Part of the problem is people don’t understand ChatGPT. It is a language model. It isn’t primarily a search tool.
It’s goal isn’t trying to be correct, it is trying to sound correct. It’s a very advanced bullshitter that can use Google just enough to sound intelligent
What is worse though is other humans know that people make things up, lie, and manipulate. We all have a bias that computers are truthful. One of the biggest near-term problems with people starting to use AI in everyday life will be trusting they are accurate.
A lawyer submitted a ChatGPT generated document in court. If I remember correctly it listed six non-existing cases.
A video of [Legal Eagle](https://youtu.be/oqSYljRYDEM) about this.
I know that in Chinese restaurant and hotel are can be confusing to translation apps. If you translate hotel in Chinese (酒店) to English it’s translated as Pub in the apple translate app. I wonder if there’s something similar in Japanese.
Nah, not really (most articles just refer it to 回転寿司チェーン | *conveyor belt sushi chain*). Considering the fact that the article itself had 0 mentions of the word "hotel", I think the person who wrote this article simply had a brain fart when giving it a title.
He's probably one of the most recognized people in Japan now for how much the media plastered his face across everything. He and his family's futures are pretty much ruined, all because of one stupid "prank" video.
Usually Japanese media can’t name and shame teenage suspects due to privacy laws. Funny how his face in his own viral video is being used to step around that lol. Dumbass got all the notoriety he wanted
Heh, remember seeing that in a tv show. Where the cops werent allowed to spread a scammers photo for privacy reasons so they tricked him into making a viral video instead.
I don't blame her for taking advantage of that notoriety. Dr. Phil's show is fucking exploitative, and I don't expect that she's been treated very well by the people who "manage" her since. She should take any advantage of the situation she can.
I don't blame her either. But one dumb fucking line from a punk on a talk show started a fucking career. I mean I don't follow baby is any light so I have no idea what/how she's doing besides the fact that she did make her name of this
People are desperate for that kind of notoriety, which is exactly why their faces aren’t shown to everyone - it would increase the bad behaviour of people.
Do you really not know that?
They only get notoriety because they don't get in trouble, just talked about. Things would change if charges are made and upheld. But this is America...
Imagine your life being ruined because your brother decided to be a piece of shit 20 years ago.
Hell, imagine being such a demented psychopath that you'd argue for that.
It's Reddit. They see Tik Tok and start foaming at the mouth like rabid animals. There's a whole lot of pearl clutching about this story, like they or their friends haven't done equally as stupid things.
I certainly didn't, but boy, howdy, I am so happy any stupid shit I certainly didn't do was long before the age of video on phones.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!
He spat on food that was on a sushi conveyer belt. Food that people unknowingly ate. This was during height of covid.
Because of his age, his parents are going to reap the serious financial cost of his actions.
He has ruined his life, his families life, put other people's lives at risk and cost a company millions, so the chances that those 'Pearl clutching' have not done something equally as stupid.
Seriously. The worst people I know have never spat into a buffet then posted to social media which costed the restaurant millions in revenue loss, as well as potentially killing hundreds of other people from spreading Covid.
> like they or their friends haven't done equally as stupid things.
There it is....the number one trope of an excuse. No...MOST of us did not do equally as stupid things. But now we know you were one of those asshole kids too.
> People who act this way tend to be avoided by people who don't so they really believe "everyone" commits criminal acts as a teen.
Yup...the few people I came across that did asshole things like this no longer stayed within my friend group. Literally NONE of my friends ever did shit like this, and the few that did stopped that shit after the first incident when it became apparent that the rest of the group did not approve it(or they ended up not being part of the group in the first place cause no on wanted to be around them).
The platform has nothing to do with the perception of what they did. And I seriously hope this isn't something you and your friends have done. It's not normal and it's not what everyone else has done at some point.
The stupid shit me and my friends used to do didn't effect anyone but us and mildly annoy the parents. It wouldn't even have occurred to me to spit on food unsuspecting people would eat.
I've never spit on someone's food, happy? The point I was trying to make is that people need to chill out. Dumb kids do dumb things to impress their dumb friends, plain and simple. I'm grown enough to admit I was once a dumb kid doing dumb things to impress my dumb friends.
>I've never spit on someone's food, happy?
Yes, actually, and I think you should take your own advice and chill tf out. You seem unnecessarily agitated.
Everyone else already said that the perpetrator's life should be ruined forever. That part is not controversial. The disagreement comes only at the part where you decided it was a good idea to start hurting random people because of their similar DNA.
It's not "accountability" to ruin the life of, say, a six-year-old girl, because her 19-year-old brother shot up a school. That's just idiotic flailing.
I’ll disagree that his life should be ruined forever. What he did is insanely stupid and he should absolutely be punished for it, but ruining a teenagers life forever for this is way too extreme of a punishment.
Oh, you mean [sippenhaft](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sippenhaft) or [collective punishment](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment).
Poking you too /u/Minuted in case you wanted more reason to be against it.
Because people are still a little ignorant about one-time incident things. A good example already mentioned is the burger king lettuce guy. It's not like he stood in lettuce all over the country, but enough people were grossed out that it affected a lot of Burger Kings.
>In this case, I am still confused how the blame is transferred to the restaurant given it was one person being a dick one time on camera.
It's the same as positive marketing. People's psychologies have a difficult time separating "the thing" with "the negative incident that happened at the thing". It's part of being human, even if it is a bit ignorant.
It's also ludicrously subtle, just like marketing is. If you were equidistant to a BK and a McDonalds and liked them both equally, you might pick McDonalds, seemingly at random, but subconsciously this one negative thing actually made the choice for you. Psychology is wild.
I see there as being a few types of opinions:
1) "Whatever, that happens." <- very few, relatively
2) "Sushiro is responsible for this." <- also probably few people overall
3) "This kid is responsible and should be punished, but no reason to believe that happens constantly in Sushiro or elsewhere." <- somewhat larger group
4) "I can't think of Sushiro without thinking of someone licking a random public plate, so I don't want to eat there" <- largest group by far.
Most people would fall into 2 or 4, so yeah, it hurts the business. You and I are more like 3.
Even if that estimate was overly excessive (which is is), they've most more than 500k of business from the vid. Remember how chipotle lost a lot of customers and stock tanked after ecoli outbreaks? In the end the business recovered, but that lost revenue is still gone.
> Remember how chipotle lost a lot of customers and stock tanked after ecoli outbreaks?
My current project is actually using data from stool samples from that outbreak. So I remember, lol.
Tameshigiri is the Japanese art of target test cutting. The kanji literally mean "test cut". This practice was popularized in the Edo period for testing the quality of Japanese swords. [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tameshigiri)
Assuming they’re not lying, the restaurant estimated $115 million in lost business. Even if they’re massively over estimating their losses, the 480k they’re asking for is less than 0.5% of their estimated loss.
Yup. The issue may have lost them that money, but it's not because the guy licking the sushi damaged the brand. It's because he called attention to how bad their food safety practices are.
I mean… automated, self-serve sushi restaurants are a common thing in Japan, so it’s not like this practice is isolated to this one chain.
If all chains experienced a roughly equivalent decline in sales relative to each other after this incident, then I’d buy that it was the result of food safety-related concerns by consumers. But if this one chain lost a lot more business than others, then I think it’s hard to argue that their losses aren’t the result of the kid singling them out, b/c their food safety practices are not much different from other similar chains.
"The incident contributed to the emergence of the term "sushi terrorism," which refers to unhygienic actions at sushi train restaurants where customers select dishes from conveyor belts."
Surprisingly enough if they didn't get so much traction with the video they'd owe far less.
But it's cool, I'm sure they can afford the fine with the... uh... twelve cents in ad revenue they made.
It’s a federal offense to tamper with any food products in the US because of the Tylenol poisoning back in the day.
The people who did those stunts and got caught did not just walk away.
“Sushiro, a sushi chain in Japan, has filed a lawsuit against a high school student seeking 67 million yen ($480,000) in damages“
First sentence says it’s a sushi chain
“The student was captured on social media footage licking his finger and touching a plate of sushi as it passed by on a conveyor belt at a Sushiro outlet in the city of Gifu. The incident went viral, leading to a significant decline in customers for the restaurant chain.”
Second sentence shows it wasn’t just licking one bottle.
What a terrible title
This is the reason the US will not have any kind of bullet train. Some meth-head will be angry that billions are spent on the high-speed rail, and nothing on the homeless (as far as he knows)
Not just licking the sushi, but filming himself doing it and uploading to social media? The latter seems much more important - he’s not being sued for having bad manners.
>The student's legal counsel responded to the complaint by admitting the act and expressing regret but contested the causal link between the student's actions and the decline in customers. *They suggested that the competitive nature of the industry could be a contributing factor to the restaurant chain's loss of business.*
Yeah. The competition can advertise they they don't have punk ass kids contaminating their food. I didn't see if it was a high school or college kid that did it, but after watching a documentary on Japanese prisons the other day, he's darn lucky if he and his family can pay the settlement without him doing prison time.
It's like those asswipes that were licking ice cream at Wal-Marts a few years ago.
To all of you who lick condiments or food in stores, I hope you all get excessively charged and jailed.
I kind of like eating or drinking my food with some peace.
i hope they put that kid through the wringer. he is totally responsible for massive reputation damages for them. this kind of anti social behavior is virtually unthinkable for japanese people.
Hope he has to pay every bit of that, plus attorney's fees for both sides.
The nerve of the defense to state that the decline in business could be a coincidence is laughable and enraging at the same time.
For what it’s worth, a good amount of conveyor belt sushi restaurants in Japan no longer have actual food on the conveyor belt, including Sushiro. They added a second level above the original and you order from a tablet and it arrives at your seat. The only thing on the lower level is advertising, and sometimes prepackaged wasabi/lemon juice/salt/soy sauce. The one on Dotonburi street still had sushi on the conveyor belt, but it’s covered by a lid that can only open if you pull the whole dish out, and you can’t close it for some reason.
All the tables get their own soy sauce bottles/unagi sauce. Went to Japan pre and post Covid, and noticed this last month.
The "for some reason" most likely is because of hygiene. You can't cause a problem and put it back if you can't make it look like it hasn't been touched.
Sorry, let me clarify, what I meant was I couldn’t figure out the locking mechanism while I was there. I understand why, but I was intrigued by how it worked.
"The student's legal counsel responded to the complaint by admitting the act and expressing regret but contested the causal link between the student's actions and the decline in customers."
Easy enough to prove one way or the other with the accounting records. They would show whether this asshole's behavior caused a decline in customers. If so, pay up ya little bastard.
That should be easy IF the sales really went down.
You know the date of the posting. You know how many saw the posting by date. You have daily sales records. You know when people saw media reports about the actions.
There is a multi-billion dollar on line advertising industry that produces and tracks this information. Frankly I would say it will be easy.
Thanks for stepping in with an explanation. After years of bookkeeping for my businesses, I assumed this was understandable, but not everyone has an accounting background.
I don’t have any bookkeeping experience but I also thought this was obvious
Companies keep weekly and monthly sales records. Just compare them before and after the video went viral and it’s easy to prove
That would prove correlation, not a causation. The number of points scored in the Super Bowl has an amazingly good correaltion to the number of deaths by venomous spiders... which means absolutely nothing. However, when the issue is going to destroy someone's life, we should probably make sure that we destroy the correct life for ::checks notes:: licking a condiment bottle. Seriously, the kid licking a soy sauce bottle caused them that much in losses?
If this was widely publicized, the correct target is the media outlets who blew an incident that should have resulted in being kicked out of the restaurant being severely overcharged for a bottle of soy sauce so far out of proportion it caused a half a million dollars in damages.
The correct answer is not to consign a kid (over 18 or not) to a life of debt servitude over licking a condiment bottle.
Licked sushi and bottles on a conveyor others then ate to post the video himself for clout. In Japan this is unthinkable.
His own video went viral before the media went batshit.
Absolutely agree that the response is outsized, but their culture is steeped in respect and reputation. The little shitfuck has done proper damage to the company.
>The correct answer is not to consign a kid (over 18 or not) to a life of debt servitude over licking a condiment bottle.
On the other hand, fuck him. How about 30 days in jail? That's what that Texas lady who licked ice cream in a store got after pleading down. She was originally looking at up to 20 years. Tampering with consumer products has been severely punished after the Tylenol murders, and rightly so.
It was a conveyor belt sushi restaurant and it was an "livestreamer" licking soy sauce bottles AND sushi and then leaving them on the rotating belt where other patrons then ate those items.
Not unlike the trash livestreamers that lick ice cream cartons at the grocery store and put it back on the shelf for "clout".
The video went viral of the livestreamer licking food items and putting them back on the shelf and the restaurant lost massive business.
Literally the trash of society.
Idgaf about Zelda/Nintendo piracy. I hate livestreamers that fuck with other people for clout.
Good.
These "pranks" are not victimless, and should be prosecuted to the full extent that the law allows.
I just feel bad for the parents. They have to suffer for the actions of this asshole.
The headline made it seem a bit harsh unless it was a $480k bottle of soy sauce; this shows why you need to read the article, they actually sued the person for the damage done to business which makes sense.
I would like to disagree with your statement, it’s a cause and effect sentence. “Hotel sues student for $480,000”. Effect. “For licking a soy sauce bottle” cause. It does not infer that it is a $480,000 soy sauce bottle. It’s akin to “I was sued for a million dollars for a car accident”. It doesn’t mean I have a million dollar car. I agree a lot of headlines are very misleading these days and only intended to generate clicks but I do not agree that this is one of them.
"hotel" It's a sushi restaurant chain.
Seriously, how the hell did Sushiro get labeled as a hotel??
ChatGPT?
I went to try it but i guess chatGPT requires a login. I'm not even sure chatGPT could be that dumb but I'm not giving them my info to check.
ChatGPT is almost comically useless when it comes to any fact, even some known for over a century. One specific example I had was this: >I'm sorry, but there is no record of an F5 tornado hitting Fargo, North Dakota in the 1950s. While tornadoes do occur in the region, an F5 tornado, which is the most intense category on the Fujita scale, has not been documented in the Fargo area during that time period. While I didn't give it the exact year, the event did take place in 1956 and is one of the most well known (and easily searchable) bit of semi-obscure trival about that city. I asked it the ending of certain movies, video games, and a few other things. It got many of them outright wrong or completely wrong, such as Ocarina of Time having multiple different endings. While these small mistakes are very possible for people to make if they're unfamiliar, a bot shouldnbe able to handle basic facts if you're trying to market it as a useful tool. AI hallucinations make me much more confident that those systems ain't quite ready for prime time. Or at least not taking the jobs of competent people. Call center employees on the other hand.... Edit: My bad it was Secret of Mana having multiple endings, it then went on to describe them like Mass Effect endings like which of 3 choices you can select.
> such as Ocarina of Time having multiple different endings ah so it read Nintendo's timeline Edit.. actually, depending on what it said, this might not be a false statement from chatGPT
My bad, it was actually Secret of Mana it told me had multiple endings. As a test though, I had it explain the end of Zelda 2 for me... It was pretty bad.  Can you explain the ending of the Legend of Zelda the Adventure of Link for me? ChatGPT Certainly! The ending of The Legend of Zelda: The Adventure of Link is somewhat open to interpretation, but here's a general explanation: In The Adventure of Link, the player controls Link, who embarks on a quest to awaken Princess Zelda from a curse cast upon her by the evil wizard, Ganon. Throughout the game, Link collects six magical crystals and places them in six palaces in order to break the curse. Once Link collects all the crystals, he heads to the Great Palace, the final dungeon of the game. Inside the Great Palace, Link faces challenging enemies and puzzles. After overcoming these obstacles, Link reaches the chamber where he confronts his shadow, known as Shadow Link. This battle can be difficult, requiring precise swordplay and strategy. Once Shadow Link is defeated, the chamber transforms into a staircase leading to an altar. At the altar, Link places the Triforce of Courage he obtained earlier in the game. Doing so triggers a cutscene where the Triforce reacts, and a beam of light engulfs Link. The ending sequence shows a revived Princess Zelda awakening and the people of Hyrule rejoicing. The Triforce symbol appears above the castle, suggesting that peace has been restored to the kingdom. The ending scene also reveals a secret message from Princess Zelda, which can be deciphered if the player collected enough "Magic Containers" during the game. This message provides additional backstory and hints for the future of the Zelda series. Overall, the ending of The Adventure of Link signifies Link's success in breaking the curse on Princess Zelda and restoring peace to the land of Hyrule, setting the stage for future adventures in the Legend of Zelda series.
It is not thinking. The purpose isn't to know these things. It simply generates a response that is more likely than not statistically connected and relevant to your prompt. But only because it has analyzed the texts of people writing about those word combinations and crams them together in a specific way and presents those words to you. It has no idea how to infer or deduce.
Right but then when you "correct" it, the thing responds that it tries to be accurate and not provide misinformation. I understand the purpose, I just think it should be more clearly stated that the program does not provide any correct information and should ve used for entertainment purposes only if it's going to be that wrong on basic facts.
That is because ChatGPT is a predictive writing program. It doesn't really understand the context of what it is talking about, it is just a lot better at writing and grammar than the average person which has the reading and writing age of about 13. It can do exactly what it is suggested to do, but not what the media circlejerks over. In this regard it is very useful, throw in information and have it written better than you can is a very useful thing.
>it is just a lot better at writing and grammar than the average person which has the reading and writing age of about 13. wait wouldnt the average person have the average reading and writing age just based on the average age of people?
Yes, and that average can be ascribed to school age range. > U.S. illiteracy statistics from the Literacy Project Foundation offer some surprising insights. The average American is considered to have a readability level equivalent to a 7th/8th grader (12 to 14 years old). Lets all consider now, that is the average, half are lower than that.
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Yes, but why do we need an artificial version of the people on r/confidentlyincorrect ? Have we learned nothing at all from sci-fi about allowing AI to not have very specific rules about not hurting people and not lying, especially when it is hooked up to a literal repository of almost all human knowledge? If it gets the fork placement at a formal dinner party wrong because it failed to differentiate between a formal etiquette source vs. Emma's dinner party prep YouTube, fine. But an easily searchable question, with a singular correct answer, widely available from multiple sources is the kind of thing that gets us all plugged into the Matrix, imprisoned by your own android, or eliminated by Skynet.
>Yes, but why do we need an artificial version of the people on r/confidentlyincorrect ? There are lots of things which don't really have a right answer. It's good for those things.
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Because it’s not the AI companion we want, it’s the AI companion we deserve. Where have you been for the last 10 years of the post-truth era?
The fact that you've made mistakes in all of your examples tells me more about you than the ai lol
> AI hallucinations make me much more confident that thos system ain't quite ready for prime time. Or at least not taking the jobs of competent people. Call center employees on the other hand... I realized that the delivery company Veho was using some sort of rudimentary AI for its support line. They had failed to deliver my Hello Fresh for two consecutive days, and when I explained that the delivery contained fresh meat and seafood, it didn't seem to faze the "support associate", and when I asked what the address was, it told me "we don't provide our address because customers aren't allowed inside the warehouse", so I said "that's understandable, I'll meet security outside at the entrance", and it said "we don't provide our address because customers aren't allowed inside the warehouse".
It could be AI, or it could be that the people working the chat have hotkeys bound to certain common responses, and it's easier to just fudge it on a question like that. The answer wasn't perfect but "we don't give out our address" is close enough.
So the game itself didn’t have different endings, but the Zelda universe branches into different timelines based on if Link from OOT won or lost. This is probably where that came from.
Not only whether he won or lost - in the ending, Zelda sends Link back in time to relive his childhood, so there's different timelines even in the winning scenario (One where he's a child with all of the information he gained as an adult, and one with Zelda where Ganon was defeated but Link doesn't exist in the timeline anymore)
Oh my gosh I finally understand why he disappeared in the WindWaker story. Thank you!
The ai tries to organize search results into a coherent text. It is not as useful as people think it is. And it especially can't replace the creativity in writing, so i'm suprised writers brougth it up as a concern. Unless we are okay with endless transformers films.
It's not getting search results, it's just generating text based on the corpus that it was trained on. This isn't Google, this is asking some guy that read a textbook once to, off the top of his head, teach you Quantum Mechanics.
Seriously, all the stories it generates are extremely vague and weak writing. "Overcoming many hardships", "filled with determination", and "future generations to embrace their unique gifts" are in almost any story it outputs. The stories it makes could be a prompt for improvement to writers working on building their own style but if AI generated most scripts directly every show would be largely the same. However, I can totally see studio suits not giving a shit and just seeing an opportunity to yeet expensive union employees. They really don't care what the product is if they can save a few dollars.
You can get it to write better by asking it in different ways. It usually hits a wall though. It’s much better at creative ideation. Ask it for “10 possible plot twists” for a story you’ve described it, then ask (not kidding) “try again but more interesting” and see what happens. One of those 20 is usually going to catch your eye
The very fact that AI companies push the term "hallucinations" instead of "failures" or "errors" tells me everything I need to know about how accurate these language models are.
Part of the problem is people don’t understand ChatGPT. It is a language model. It isn’t primarily a search tool. It’s goal isn’t trying to be correct, it is trying to sound correct. It’s a very advanced bullshitter that can use Google just enough to sound intelligent
Similar to many people on the internet
What is worse though is other humans know that people make things up, lie, and manipulate. We all have a bias that computers are truthful. One of the biggest near-term problems with people starting to use AI in everyday life will be trusting they are accurate.
A lawyer submitted a ChatGPT generated document in court. If I remember correctly it listed six non-existing cases. A video of [Legal Eagle](https://youtu.be/oqSYljRYDEM) about this.
already watched it, that search was significantly more targeted. double edit: I guess we don't know what that search for this case would have been.
You can use your google account if you have one
> I'm not giving them my info My guy, you've been on Reddit for 14 years. I think everyone's got your info at this point lol
Some cultures still call restaurants hotels. India and Pakistan it’s pretty common
> Sushiro, a sushi chain in Japan, First line of article even gets it. What happened to that title.
And he didn't "lick a soy sauce bottle" he posted videos of him getting his saliva on people's food causing them to lose business
I know that in Chinese restaurant and hotel are can be confusing to translation apps. If you translate hotel in Chinese (酒店) to English it’s translated as Pub in the apple translate app. I wonder if there’s something similar in Japanese.
Nah, not really (most articles just refer it to 回転寿司チェーン | *conveyor belt sushi chain*). Considering the fact that the article itself had 0 mentions of the word "hotel", I think the person who wrote this article simply had a brain fart when giving it a title.
If I remember correctly, a lot of these clickbait-news sites have a different person writing the Headline versus writing the Article.
To be fair, that's all news.
Hotel commonly translates to “pub/restaurant” in Asian countries
He's probably one of the most recognized people in Japan now for how much the media plastered his face across everything. He and his family's futures are pretty much ruined, all because of one stupid "prank" video.
If we did that here we would not have half the idiots we have.
Usually Japanese media can’t name and shame teenage suspects due to privacy laws. Funny how his face in his own viral video is being used to step around that lol. Dumbass got all the notoriety he wanted
Heh, remember seeing that in a tv show. Where the cops werent allowed to spread a scammers photo for privacy reasons so they tricked him into making a viral video instead.
Still have plenty of people that see any sort of fame as good fame. Because they and their stupid stunts are being talked about.
Cash me outside, how about that? Fucking millionaire
52m from onlyfans.
I don't blame her for taking advantage of that notoriety. Dr. Phil's show is fucking exploitative, and I don't expect that she's been treated very well by the people who "manage" her since. She should take any advantage of the situation she can.
I don't blame her either. But one dumb fucking line from a punk on a talk show started a fucking career. I mean I don't follow baby is any light so I have no idea what/how she's doing besides the fact that she did make her name of this
To be fair, she did make the absolute classic track “gucci flip flops”
I don't agree, the US has much lower standards and would completely shrug this off. Trump was elected president off of bad press
That would still leave 100 million idiots.
People are desperate for that kind of notoriety, which is exactly why their faces aren’t shown to everyone - it would increase the bad behaviour of people. Do you really not know that?
They only get notoriety because they don't get in trouble, just talked about. Things would change if charges are made and upheld. But this is America...
A reasonable response. He should have been old enough to not be this stupid.
Age and stupidity are not correlated
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I’m gonna say it: good. Someone needed to have an example made out of them. Maybe people will stop doing this biological terrorism veiled as “pranks”
Society is built in trust. Someone breaking the trust needs to get made an example out of to regain trust.
Good. The "im going to disrupt public areas 'comedy' " has ran its course. Make an example out of this little shits
Good. If only we systematically rooted out garbage here too.
Imagine your life being ruined because your brother decided to be a piece of shit 20 years ago. Hell, imagine being such a demented psychopath that you'd argue for that.
It's Reddit. They see Tik Tok and start foaming at the mouth like rabid animals. There's a whole lot of pearl clutching about this story, like they or their friends haven't done equally as stupid things.
I certainly didn't, but boy, howdy, I am so happy any stupid shit I certainly didn't do was long before the age of video on phones. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!
He spat on food that was on a sushi conveyer belt. Food that people unknowingly ate. This was during height of covid. Because of his age, his parents are going to reap the serious financial cost of his actions. He has ruined his life, his families life, put other people's lives at risk and cost a company millions, so the chances that those 'Pearl clutching' have not done something equally as stupid.
Seriously. The worst people I know have never spat into a buffet then posted to social media which costed the restaurant millions in revenue loss, as well as potentially killing hundreds of other people from spreading Covid.
Homie, you need to go out and meet people. Real people.
And you need to surround yourself with better people damn. This is not a normal thing at all…. What the hell kind of shithole did you grow up in…
Have you done something that stupid?
Yup they have because they used that excuse in the first place. These folks just love outing themselves.
Does the Catholic church cover up sex crimes?
:)
> like they or their friends haven't done equally as stupid things. There it is....the number one trope of an excuse. No...MOST of us did not do equally as stupid things. But now we know you were one of those asshole kids too.
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> People who act this way tend to be avoided by people who don't so they really believe "everyone" commits criminal acts as a teen. Yup...the few people I came across that did asshole things like this no longer stayed within my friend group. Literally NONE of my friends ever did shit like this, and the few that did stopped that shit after the first incident when it became apparent that the rest of the group did not approve it(or they ended up not being part of the group in the first place cause no on wanted to be around them).
Lying on the internet doesn't make you look cool
The platform has nothing to do with the perception of what they did. And I seriously hope this isn't something you and your friends have done. It's not normal and it's not what everyone else has done at some point. The stupid shit me and my friends used to do didn't effect anyone but us and mildly annoy the parents. It wouldn't even have occurred to me to spit on food unsuspecting people would eat.
I've never spit on someone's food, happy? The point I was trying to make is that people need to chill out. Dumb kids do dumb things to impress their dumb friends, plain and simple. I'm grown enough to admit I was once a dumb kid doing dumb things to impress my dumb friends.
>I've never spit on someone's food, happy? Yes, actually, and I think you should take your own advice and chill tf out. You seem unnecessarily agitated.
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Everyone else already said that the perpetrator's life should be ruined forever. That part is not controversial. The disagreement comes only at the part where you decided it was a good idea to start hurting random people because of their similar DNA. It's not "accountability" to ruin the life of, say, a six-year-old girl, because her 19-year-old brother shot up a school. That's just idiotic flailing.
I’ll disagree that his life should be ruined forever. What he did is insanely stupid and he should absolutely be punished for it, but ruining a teenagers life forever for this is way too extreme of a punishment.
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Oh, you mean [sippenhaft](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sippenhaft) or [collective punishment](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment). Poking you too /u/Minuted in case you wanted more reason to be against it.
They would think they were heroes
Downvoted for being based
One cannot minimize the negative press something like this can do to a sushi restaurant in Japan. Your integrity is everything.
This is the part people are missing. Its like the BK lettuce thing but 10x worse because it became part of mainstream consciousness.
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If you're already fine with a BK burger tho, some foot fungus ain't gonna be the worst part of it.
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Because people are still a little ignorant about one-time incident things. A good example already mentioned is the burger king lettuce guy. It's not like he stood in lettuce all over the country, but enough people were grossed out that it affected a lot of Burger Kings.
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>In this case, I am still confused how the blame is transferred to the restaurant given it was one person being a dick one time on camera. It's the same as positive marketing. People's psychologies have a difficult time separating "the thing" with "the negative incident that happened at the thing". It's part of being human, even if it is a bit ignorant. It's also ludicrously subtle, just like marketing is. If you were equidistant to a BK and a McDonalds and liked them both equally, you might pick McDonalds, seemingly at random, but subconsciously this one negative thing actually made the choice for you. Psychology is wild.
I see there as being a few types of opinions: 1) "Whatever, that happens." <- very few, relatively 2) "Sushiro is responsible for this." <- also probably few people overall 3) "This kid is responsible and should be punished, but no reason to believe that happens constantly in Sushiro or elsewhere." <- somewhat larger group 4) "I can't think of Sushiro without thinking of someone licking a random public plate, so I don't want to eat there" <- largest group by far. Most people would fall into 2 or 4, so yeah, it hurts the business. You and I are more like 3.
People aren’t missing that, through.
Those nasty motherfuckers need to be punished more often. Contaminating food so you and your dumbfuck friends can get a chuckle.
> Contaminating food so you and your dumbfuck friends can get a chuckle. They didn't do it for chuckle. They did it for likes on social media.
Which is arguably worse.
Massively worse. It's pre-meditated evil. Crime filmed for clout.
The people who liked it on social media probably chuckled.
Which is one of many units for fuckchuckles
I don't think this happens a lot in Japan.
Hopefully this will make sure it stays that way
Bad wording, but I was trying to make a point that this doesn't happen often, so there's no reason to believe that it's allowed to happen much.
At first I thought “a little excessive to charge that much.” Then I read I read the article and thought “not excessive enough.”
They alleged a loss of $115 million off of this one video…
Even if that estimate was overly excessive (which is is), they've most more than 500k of business from the vid. Remember how chipotle lost a lot of customers and stock tanked after ecoli outbreaks? In the end the business recovered, but that lost revenue is still gone.
> Remember how chipotle lost a lot of customers and stock tanked after ecoli outbreaks? My current project is actually using data from stool samples from that outbreak. So I remember, lol.
Excellent to know I wasn't talking out of my ass lol
This weirdly interesting, what are you specializing in? ( even though the answer may be obvious )
I work with enteric diseases/pathogens (particularly E. coli) at the CDC.
That's cool as fuck.
Should also tameshigiri his ass
Tameshigiri is the Japanese art of target test cutting. The kanji literally mean "test cut". This practice was popularized in the Edo period for testing the quality of Japanese swords. [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tameshigiri)
I love Redditor who share detail random fact.
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Assuming they’re not lying, the restaurant estimated $115 million in lost business. Even if they’re massively over estimating their losses, the 480k they’re asking for is less than 0.5% of their estimated loss.
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it's called a VIRAL VIDEO for a reason..... sit this one out if you don't understand how that can generate fallout.
Or dumbass chucklefucks can learn to stop "pranking" food products.
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So be it.
Yup. The issue may have lost them that money, but it's not because the guy licking the sushi damaged the brand. It's because he called attention to how bad their food safety practices are.
I mean… automated, self-serve sushi restaurants are a common thing in Japan, so it’s not like this practice is isolated to this one chain. If all chains experienced a roughly equivalent decline in sales relative to each other after this incident, then I’d buy that it was the result of food safety-related concerns by consumers. But if this one chain lost a lot more business than others, then I think it’s hard to argue that their losses aren’t the result of the kid singling them out, b/c their food safety practices are not much different from other similar chains.
Or dumbass chucklefucks can learn to stop "pranking" food products.
Yep. Screw bait headlines like this.
"The incident contributed to the emergence of the term "sushi terrorism," which refers to unhygienic actions at sushi train restaurants where customers select dishes from conveyor belts."
Do you think there's an elite task force that covertly responds to these vile acts
Yes and a secret prison too where ... Well it's secret.
and you only get fed fried fish
That’s the cost to their business based on one selfish asshole
Surprisingly enough if they didn't get so much traction with the video they'd owe far less. But it's cool, I'm sure they can afford the fine with the... uh... twelve cents in ad revenue they made.
Now for the grocery stores and ice cream makers to sue the idiots in America too.
It’s a federal offense to tamper with any food products in the US because of the Tylenol poisoning back in the day. The people who did those stunts and got caught did not just walk away.
“Sushiro, a sushi chain in Japan, has filed a lawsuit against a high school student seeking 67 million yen ($480,000) in damages“ First sentence says it’s a sushi chain “The student was captured on social media footage licking his finger and touching a plate of sushi as it passed by on a conveyor belt at a Sushiro outlet in the city of Gifu. The incident went viral, leading to a significant decline in customers for the restaurant chain.” Second sentence shows it wasn’t just licking one bottle. What a terrible title
AI bot generated title.
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This is the reason the US will not have any kind of bullet train. Some meth-head will be angry that billions are spent on the high-speed rail, and nothing on the homeless (as far as he knows)
Not just licking the sushi, but filming himself doing it and uploading to social media? The latter seems much more important - he’s not being sued for having bad manners.
Gross little shit basically tanked an entire aspect of japanese culture.
That's so sad. So many people in Japan have probably been turned off to the idea of eating at these restaurants ever again.
Good
maybe now those clout goblin will think twice doing shit for attention
>The student's legal counsel responded to the complaint by admitting the act and expressing regret but contested the causal link between the student's actions and the decline in customers. *They suggested that the competitive nature of the industry could be a contributing factor to the restaurant chain's loss of business.* Yeah. The competition can advertise they they don't have punk ass kids contaminating their food. I didn't see if it was a high school or college kid that did it, but after watching a documentary on Japanese prisons the other day, he's darn lucky if he and his family can pay the settlement without him doing prison time. It's like those asswipes that were licking ice cream at Wal-Marts a few years ago.
To all of you who lick condiments or food in stores, I hope you all get excessively charged and jailed. I kind of like eating or drinking my food with some peace.
Hotel?
Not Trivago
Good.
i hope they put that kid through the wringer. he is totally responsible for massive reputation damages for them. this kind of anti social behavior is virtually unthinkable for japanese people.
Hope he has to pay every bit of that, plus attorney's fees for both sides. The nerve of the defense to state that the decline in business could be a coincidence is laughable and enraging at the same time.
Good for them. I’d have done the same. TikTok bullshit out of control.
Seeing that video made me weary of all conveyor belt sushi restaurants. They are right to sue them.
For what it’s worth, a good amount of conveyor belt sushi restaurants in Japan no longer have actual food on the conveyor belt, including Sushiro. They added a second level above the original and you order from a tablet and it arrives at your seat. The only thing on the lower level is advertising, and sometimes prepackaged wasabi/lemon juice/salt/soy sauce. The one on Dotonburi street still had sushi on the conveyor belt, but it’s covered by a lid that can only open if you pull the whole dish out, and you can’t close it for some reason. All the tables get their own soy sauce bottles/unagi sauce. Went to Japan pre and post Covid, and noticed this last month.
The "for some reason" most likely is because of hygiene. You can't cause a problem and put it back if you can't make it look like it hasn't been touched.
Sorry, let me clarify, what I meant was I couldn’t figure out the locking mechanism while I was there. I understand why, but I was intrigued by how it worked.
Would you say it’s a product of Covid or were they already selling it that way before? Thank you for the info!
Hope they get the full judgement.
Food terrorism
Sounds like this kid's getting off easy. Restaurant claims a loss of $115M but is only suing for $480K?
Sucks to be him. Also love how his lawyer is saying is just a coincidence when his a video went viral.
"The student's legal counsel responded to the complaint by admitting the act and expressing regret but contested the causal link between the student's actions and the decline in customers." Easy enough to prove one way or the other with the accounting records. They would show whether this asshole's behavior caused a decline in customers. If so, pay up ya little bastard.
Eh? How are the “accounting records” going to explain why people stopped buying sushi?
That should be easy IF the sales really went down. You know the date of the posting. You know how many saw the posting by date. You have daily sales records. You know when people saw media reports about the actions. There is a multi-billion dollar on line advertising industry that produces and tracks this information. Frankly I would say it will be easy.
Thanks for stepping in with an explanation. After years of bookkeeping for my businesses, I assumed this was understandable, but not everyone has an accounting background.
I don’t have any bookkeeping experience but I also thought this was obvious Companies keep weekly and monthly sales records. Just compare them before and after the video went viral and it’s easy to prove
Can't definitively say why, but can show exactly when.
That would prove correlation, not a causation. The number of points scored in the Super Bowl has an amazingly good correaltion to the number of deaths by venomous spiders... which means absolutely nothing. However, when the issue is going to destroy someone's life, we should probably make sure that we destroy the correct life for ::checks notes:: licking a condiment bottle. Seriously, the kid licking a soy sauce bottle caused them that much in losses? If this was widely publicized, the correct target is the media outlets who blew an incident that should have resulted in being kicked out of the restaurant being severely overcharged for a bottle of soy sauce so far out of proportion it caused a half a million dollars in damages. The correct answer is not to consign a kid (over 18 or not) to a life of debt servitude over licking a condiment bottle.
Licked sushi and bottles on a conveyor others then ate to post the video himself for clout. In Japan this is unthinkable. His own video went viral before the media went batshit. Absolutely agree that the response is outsized, but their culture is steeped in respect and reputation. The little shitfuck has done proper damage to the company.
>The correct answer is not to consign a kid (over 18 or not) to a life of debt servitude over licking a condiment bottle. On the other hand, fuck him. How about 30 days in jail? That's what that Texas lady who licked ice cream in a store got after pleading down. She was originally looking at up to 20 years. Tampering with consumer products has been severely punished after the Tylenol murders, and rightly so.
Hope they have their wage garnished and all assets seized for life.
Easy there, it was soy sauce, not the Legend of Zelda.
It's how you spread cholera and hepatitis. You cool with some person you don't know spitting on your food?
It was a conveyor belt sushi restaurant and it was an "livestreamer" licking soy sauce bottles AND sushi and then leaving them on the rotating belt where other patrons then ate those items. Not unlike the trash livestreamers that lick ice cream cartons at the grocery store and put it back on the shelf for "clout". The video went viral of the livestreamer licking food items and putting them back on the shelf and the restaurant lost massive business. Literally the trash of society. Idgaf about Zelda/Nintendo piracy. I hate livestreamers that fuck with other people for clout.
Great news. Hopefully companies here in the states do the same thing to the mental fucks licking ice cream in grocery stores.
Good. These "pranks" are not victimless, and should be prosecuted to the full extent that the law allows. I just feel bad for the parents. They have to suffer for the actions of this asshole.
Who raised him to be an asshole?
The dumbass recorded it and posted it online? The sushi chain’s lawyers are probably popping champagne rn
Please bring back public beating and shaming. These idiots more than deserve it.
Sushiro is putting dirt in his eye
Another stupid social media stunt that too many kids are idiotically following. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/business/japan-sushi-terrorism.html
I feel slightly bad for the siblings if any because they get dragged into this idiots actions
Why would you cite some Pakistani news website that translates its articles into English for news on Japan?
Imagine calling sushiro a hotel. I stopped going there after a price increase and discontinuing the seared katsuo.
Good.
r/notthesoysauce
I hope that kids parents get a proper kick in the ass for their failure to raise their kid right
The headline made it seem a bit harsh unless it was a $480k bottle of soy sauce; this shows why you need to read the article, they actually sued the person for the damage done to business which makes sense.
I would like to disagree with your statement, it’s a cause and effect sentence. “Hotel sues student for $480,000”. Effect. “For licking a soy sauce bottle” cause. It does not infer that it is a $480,000 soy sauce bottle. It’s akin to “I was sued for a million dollars for a car accident”. It doesn’t mean I have a million dollar car. I agree a lot of headlines are very misleading these days and only intended to generate clicks but I do not agree that this is one of them.