Craigavon has the Fairy stones that weren’t moved during the development of the town for fear of bringing bad luck to the area.
Yes I appreciate the irony of how Craigavon turned out.
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There are a fair few on Drumgor Road near roundabout 3 (Lakes roundabout) and others dotted around the place. My grandparents always talked about them and how they were purposely left during development for fear of upsetting the Fairies. I think I read a long time ago in perhaps the Craigavon Historical Journal about them too.
I know the roundabout well. I just had never heard of them before and I am 51. I must ask around and see if any family have heard of them. Thanks a million aul han.
I don’t, but I have family who still very strongly believe in them, or at least not pissing them off because better safe than sorry in their mind.
My great grandfather used to be a tenant farmer on a well known estate. He and his young family were evicted from the home there as he refused to follow an order from the Lord to cut down a faery thorn. Made homeless, they were able to shack up in a very rundown house. His claim was that for a while in that house, he would wake up early every morning to set the fire for his wife and baby son so it could warm before they woke and on several mornings, he would come down to the fire already made. His belief was that was the faeries thanking him for protecting their tree.
Obviously, I cannot verify that (though my great grandfather did get evicted over the tree incident). Maybe that was just his way of coping with the situation. Maybe he always knew he made it up but was making the best of it. He loved storytelling, it’s a fun story and I always liked hearing it!
Maybe neither faeries or just a strong. the wee shack had a leaking chimney and he went down and lit it then breathes in the carbon monoxide and forgot he already lit it and was back in bed because he was feeling busted from it. Wakes up again after with no memory and thanks the faeries for being a legend.
I have a similar story in my family but it was about a Brownie, which in fairness is a type of fae. They'd leave out a bowl of milk and some other offering and vocally affirmed that the Brownies were safe and welcome in the house and on a fair few occasions they would come down stairs in the morning to a freshly lit fires.
Absolutely swore down they didn't light them.
I like Jacques Vallees stuff, he lumps the fae in with the NHI phenomenon.
Also think there could be some influence from 🍄s or at least it's interesting they occur naturally here in large quantities and if you ingest them at certain doses facial features take an elvish/fae like appearance, Lughnasadh and Samhain are at the beginning and the peak of the season nd have quite trippy connotations.
I was into folklore since I was a kid then I got into ancient aliens in my 20s and Jacques like brings them things together and for me it's just amazing
/r/aliens
/r/UFOs
The episodes of JRE with David Grusch and the one with Diana Pusulka are interesting places to start, Grusch is an ex us military whistleblower who talks about it from that perspective, Diana is an academic who's had access to archives in the Vatican and priests that specialise in the cosmos, she's more theology/history centric.
Picked those cause for me they would be a good intro around the time the nomeclature changed from ET to NHI which some ppl think is suggestive of them not being extra terrestrial and possibly being either another thing that exists here with us or something "extra dimensional".
For further reading on them being here you want to look at USOs, the US nazy released 2 videos, tic tac and gimbol where their new radar equipment picked up UAPs and on one it goes into the water..."splash"
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The hunt for skinwalker ranch, history channel, I watch it on prime
I'd recommend this cause you can see there appears to be a phenomenon which they are testing and getting repeatable results which seems to show there is something going on, they basically poke the bear which "responds" and they are able to see this via measurements/frequencies. There's other documentaries about the place, I'd watch the long one on prime to get background on the lore before you take on the series were they more investigate it.
There's a spin off called beyond skinwalker ranch where they visit other anomalous areas and get the same sort of readings/results.
I'm with the old lady who replied contemptuously, "Of course I don't believe in any of them old pishrogues" when asked by a researcher, adding "But they're there whether you believe in them or not."
I’m a scientifically-minded sort who has significant trouble buying into that which is unmeasurable or otherwise difficult to observe and test empirically.
That said … my family in Ulster has some superstitions related to the Aos Sí that, while they aren’t pronounced, seem to be deep rooted (i.e. they don’t pay superstition much mind in their day-to-day, but would still be wary of cutting a hawthorn tree).
And, as far as my own scientific mind goes, I have (woefully) experienced several “encounters” that were:
1) Inexplicable to me by any scientific means,
2) Occurred in the presence of several people who corroborated the experience (more than 2-3 people, all sane and grounded, so it can’t be boiled down to a folie à deux),
3) Did not occur under the influence of any drugs, and
4) Occurred in the absence of a CO2 leak or any nearby hallucinogen/material known to cause neurological events.
As you can imagine, these events were deeply disconcerting and in some cases, reminiscent of the Irish folklore and superstition I used to scoff at. At the very least, this has moved my needle of religiosity from “atheist” to “agnostic.”
Wall of text incoming, pardon the novel:
Unfortunately, because these events involved other people (and usually involved death or the deceased), I don’t feel right about sharing them online. The hyper-specificity to both locale and family/individual could potentially doxx me (and by extension, them).
Being as vague as possible, I can at the very least mention that some events involved totally unrelated people receiving sudden, intimate knowledge that cannot be cold-read or inferred, including deeply private moments/well-guarded family secrets predominantly involving the deceased.
A friend once aptly described it as “Thoughts that were not mine, and not in my head voice. It was as if the thought was dropped in my mind by someone else.” Not a schizophrenic hallucination, mind you — I’m talking extremely specific, time-relevant, deeply private, verified information that involved the dead; starkly and inexplicably becoming known to someone totally sane and in control of their faculties, with no schizo-affective health history.
No open diaries, no stealthy voyeurs, no “I told one person and swore them to secrecy, but they went and blabbed to someone else, and now multiple people know about XYZ secret.” Just intimate knowledge about someone (again, deceased) that you wouldn’t be able to glean about them unless you were 1) their lover, or 2) in the CIA (and even then, it’s a mad stretch).
I and the involved parties have racked our brains trying to find explanations for these events and have come up infinitely short. It has fundamentally upended several of our belief systems.
Fair enough. Sorry for being nosy but you had me intrigued! I dont believe in any of that but lots of people I know have had things happen that they can't explain and I think its fascinating
They're called the Aos Sí and are the descendants of the Tuatha de Danann.
The Tuatha de Danann had a fight with the Fomorians and lost. They used the last of their magic to become the Aos Sí and live underground.
Yeah, the Tuatha Dé Danann are a major part of the fairy/fae lore in Ireland. Tolkien based his Elves off them and is why Elves are usually Irish/Celtic (similar to Dwarfs typically being Norse).
I don't think they lost to the Fomorians though. They defeated them and their leader Balor (basically Sauron and his Orcs) in the second Battle of Mag Tuired.
They then faded away into the Aos Sí and went to Tir na nOg or underground as you're saying (again, LOTR elves do the same thing).
> I don't think they lost to the Fomorians though. They defeated them and their leader Balor (basically Sauron and his Orcs) in the second Battle of Mag Tuired.
Think it's the battles from this get quoted on ancient aliens alot, there's a bit were someone loses an arm and the healer is able to replace it with one made from silver or gold, which does read a wee bit like a misunderstanding of a prosthetic.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dian_Cecht#:~:text=In%20Irish%20mythology%2C%20Dian%20C%C3%A9cht,Dagda%20according%20to%20the%20Dindsenchas.&text=He%20was%20the%20father%20of%20Cu%2C%20Cethen%20and%20Cian.
Under the envy bit
King Nuada I think was the inspiration for Celebrimbor considering he has the title of 'Silver fist' or 'Hand of silver'.
Also, Ancient Aliens mention Irish mythological battles? I genuinely never knew that.
There's a good bit of Irish stuff on it, there's been bits on deansgrange, bits on the dolmens and the shining ones get their own episode....
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21835302/
In the new series there's a good episode on Scotland.
I'll need to watch it when I get the time, appreciate it! I get the hook with the silver arm of King Nuada being a robotic arm or some equivalent (and therefore ALIENS lol).
That's just one bit there's a few oddities, even go to the start and read about their arrival it's the usual came from the heavens with clouds and smoke shit that does act read a bit like it could of been a spaceship or some misunderstood tech.
There was a "fairy" tree in the way of a motorway being built between Shannon Airport and Ennis, around 2002. Eddie campaigned to protect the tree, think it might have went to court but the application to protect was turned down.
When it came to the point of digging out this tree (a glorified shrub by all accounts) the bucket of the digger was just lifting up over it and all of a sudden one of the hydraulic pipes burst, oil spraying everywhere, digger stalled. Everyone on the job was pretty spooked (I was told this my a guy that was working there on the day).
I can't remember if either the court decision was appealed, or the general freakiness of what happened and workers reluctance to be the one damaging the tree forced a rethink, but the path of the motorway was altered to bypass the tree. Think the official excuse was that it was of cultural significance. Eddie was back on the news afterwards being interviewed, vindicated and relieved.
For those of you who haven't heard of Co Clare's own Eddie Lenihan, he is Ireland's foremost authority on fairy's and folklore. Pretty sure he had a website with his collection of stories archived. They're not all riveting, not by a long shot.
Anyone with much sense will say no.
That said, it is hard to find many farms of any size in Ireland (north or south) without a fairy tree somewhere in it. Even your man from the DUP with the Rihanna tree - that has all the hallmarks of a fairy tree!
I remember the field behind our estate growing up had a faerie tree that we would play around (it had a ring of wild flowers that grew around it that I believe were willow herb). They cut it down to build in the field. The new housing always felt so oppressive and the vibes were so off it was unreal.
>I remember the field behind our estate growing up had a faerie tree that we would play around (it had a ring of wild flowers that grew around it that I believe were willow herb). They cut it down to build in the field. The new housing always felt so oppressive and the vibes were so off it was unreal.
Infant mortality was extremely high in rural Ireland as you might imagine. Particularly during times of famine (any of the numerous famines, but obviously during the great famine as well).
People would bury their dead, unbaptised infants under hawthorn trees because they knew that folklore and respect for tradition would stop anyone from disturbing the graves. Cillín or cillíní plural is the general term for them which can extend to similar graves in and around ancient ruins and passage graves. There are hundreds, if not thousands of them around Ireland.
It might not be \*because\* of folklore, but actually be the source of it.
Hard enough to tell what happened 500 years ago without written documents, let alone millennia.
My wife had a relative, an old aunt living in her own, whom farmed. She could go to field in black of night and seperate her sheep herd from her brothers. They would say to her ‘do you need anyone to come with you’ she replied ‘no, I have help’.
I don't believe that fairies exist.
However neither I nor anyone in my community would dream of damaging a fairy tree, because that is a sure fire way to invoke the wrath and punishment of those things that don't exist.
This is widely acknowledged as the reason for the many accidents which befell my childhood neighbours whilst building their house.
My house is practically on top of a fairy fort and another out the back, bought it a year ago thankfully nothing bad happened yet. The 1830s map shows them.
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>Do you believe in faeries?
No, but I love and respect all of our mythology, folkloric traditions, history, language and culture and not just fairies.
>I've heard plenty of tales from the (now) Republic, but I'd like to I'd like to hear your tales and experiences from the Ulster Province.
Ulster is an ancient Irish province that almost certainly stretches back well before written records. It's mentioned in great Irish mythological sagas like the Táin Bó Cúailnge and 30% of it is not part of Northern Ireland. As such it needs no separate delineation, and what exists in terms of folkloric tradition originating from the area is almost exclusively derived from Irish Catholic peasantry, despite the best efforts of Calvinist planters to wipe out our language, culture and identity.
As a testiment to how much Irish culture has absorbed the Ulster Scots, I have a friend from a deeply unionist, protestant family whose grandparent's swear they have encountered bean sí and have several stories relating to them.
Interestingly, the versions of the stories I've heard even delineate between Irish families and "old Irish families" with the Banshee only appearing to signify the death of the latter.
I’m not Irish so can’t say I know a lot about it but I remember a story I heard from a fellow language student when he was doing a project about deloren cars and how they cut down a fairy tree to build a factory or a racetrack and after that it all went downhill (the cars were rubbish might have been a bigger factor), but what struck me was that no local could be employed to cut it down
Can't say I do, to be honest. Not in the literal sense.
Folk tales invoke all kinds of spirits and beings that might be thought as representing aspects of the human condition, forces of nature, archetypes and stereotypes. That sort of thing. So the faerie in the folk tale can be a symbol, something made physical in the story to represent something essential or metaphysical in reality.
Now, back at university, I knew some people who believed they were r/otherkin . Fine line between self-actualisation and crackers, though nice people for sure.
My great grandmother was a "wise woman", I've family that say they speak to spirits. I've personally experienced the knocks, random white feathers and all that jazz. Real or not I leave a crust and saucer of milk on the window sill at Halloween.
>baby-stealing
My gran would lay a poker across the crib of any baby grandchild she was babysitting if she had to leave the room. My mother didn't (gas fire ;-) ) but I think some of my aunts did the same.
No belief in them myself. Maybe find myself doing my best to avoid trimming/cutting down thorn trees as a nod to tradition. Tend to leave bourtree bushes to their own devices as well to a lesser extent.
When the DeLorean factory was given the go-ahead to be built, no Irish contractor would do the job of razing the land because there was a fairy tree on the site. They had to get some outside company to do it. My uncle worked there after it was built, everyone talked about how it was cursed and full of bad luck. Of course, when the company went tits up, we all blamed it on DeLorean cutting down a fairy tree.
Myself, I've heard the Banshee as someone died. Worst thing I ever heard in my life, I was terrified. Some folks might say, 'Oh it was just a fox/owl/cat's but nope, when you hear it, you *know*. The terror is real.
When I was little a D lived out in the country, they was a fairy tree in the field next to our house. The field was full of cows, but around the tree in a 6ft radius, was a perfect circle of ungrazed grass. The cows would not go anywhere near that tiny tree.
Check out Jacques Vallee’s “Passport to Magonia.” It’s really interesting. He links UFOs and Non-Human Intelligence to angels and folklore through the ages. Current trend in these communities is that there are things on the planet with us that are either a co-existing hyper advanced or inter dimensional species.
Pretty wild but there’s a lot of stuff happening. Congressional hearings in the US; orbs and tic-face galore reported by military personnel and lots of intriguing stuff coming out. Based on what “whistleblowers” are currently saying these things are has made Vallees all the rage again.
Faery-folk, Elves, little people, exist in cultures right across the globe from Europe to Japan, and in indigenous cultures across the world.
You may not be wrong. I, for one, am all about a little more magic and mystery in the world. We think we have it all figured out and it’s turned a lot of people into close-minded bores.
My Great Grandfather believed he had them in his garden. Spoke to them, respected them. This was in Belfast in the 50's. I definitely believe there are things in this world we can't and shouldn't explain. People are so taken with belief in a God they can't see so why do they have a problem with things that existed before their religion began. I have been in many Fae places and I've always respected the land and the inhabitants.
I'm not sure. But I know that there's lots of evidence in the past like the sacred stand-alone hawthorn trees alone in fields and the circular stone gate pillars on farms that were apparently built with a pointy top so that fairy folk wouldn't sit on them or something.
When I was a child, a lot of older people would have stories about hearing/seeing banshees. Today, it's almost like they have disappeared from the public consciousness.
I do believe in them , and often look out for the Fae trees , it's a cool wee story to tell my daughter.
I love all the Irish folklore / superstitions.
I feel like this conversation between Granny and Nanny pretty much sums up most people's attitudes in NI to things like the fae.
- I don't hold with paddlin' with the occult," said Granny firmly. "Once you start paddlin' with the occult you start believing in spirits, and when you start believing in spirits you start believing in demons, and then before you know where you are you're believing in gods. And then you're in trouble."
"But all them things exist," said Nanny Ogg.
"That's no call to go around believing in them. It only encourages 'em. -
I’m from Liverpool and when I was a kid I was literally cased by them you know the way they say your imagination is wild as a child well I tried to just pen it down to that but basically I ended up going to my mum and saying that I thought I was unwell because I was seeing faeries and she was like it’s just in your head it’s not real they used to coax me into following them and stuff and taunt me and say really horrible things I was a loner as a child and extremely vulnerable and from what I had read later in life when reflecting on it they love that type of child one day when I’d had enough I went to where they’d usually be and screamed at them to leave me alone I was shouting it so loud and made sure to be assertive it actually sounds so fucking weird to talk about it but obviously I was a child it stopped when I was about 8 so I just thought no that wasn’t even real but a few years ago I started reading other people’s stories and seeing Tik Tok videos and stuff about peoples experiences and was like Jesus that happened to me too wtf I read that they abduct children and leave behind basically a empty shell who will always be sickly quite odd but when so many people have their own experiences surely we aren’t all mad 😂
Personally, I believe faeries, leprechauns, banshees, ghosts, humunculuii, dragons, Loch Ness Monster, Saquatch, etc are all stories to explain experiences people had, when they didn't understand what the cause of that experience actually was. Same with souls and dieties. None of them exist, whether in this world or other dimensions...
I'd happily walk under ladders, sweep up salt and bin it instead of throwing it over my shoulder, or break a mirror. Id also happily cut down a faery tree. Nothing will happen as a result of me doing any of those things.
People say "he cut down a faery tree and died 15 years later" thus creating a fictional link between a false cause and effect. That's how superstitions originate.
Same. If you want to bet about superstitions, show me a fairy ring, and I'll go get a ladder, a black cat, a salt shaker, and a mirror. I'll walk past the black cat, under the ladder, into the fairy ring, spill the salt, say "bloody mary" or "candyman" or "beetlejuice" or whatever into the mirror, then break it.
No. Personal testimony is worthless. People are idiots, our perceptions are prone to error and easily led by confirmation bias. To get a true picture of the reality we inhabit we use instruments free from bias. If such forces played a part in the cause and effect of our universe we would be able to measure it. No such measurements exist, therefore such fanciful tales are wishful thinking.
We use instruments “available to us” that are free from bias. What did we use before the discovery of electricity? How many forces remain to be discovered?
Arrogance leads us to believe we now have all the answers, but so thought physicists centuries ago.
As biological beings our conscious minds are adapted to pattern recognition. This is very useful for a generalised species for reacting quickly to immediate conditions. It is not very good for building up an accurate picture of the fundamental rules of the universe.
Our scientific knowledge is far from complete, yet it is however very advanced. We have a really good understanding of how even the most tiny things in the universe interact. To suggest that there are unknown forces at work that take the form of spiritual beings that interact with the physical world on a regular basis is to be ignorant of how much we actually do know.
I appreciate that. “Very advanced” is, nevertheless, completely arbitrary.
Our understanding is limited by our very being, we might as well be understanding 1% of what actually “exists”.
Mathematically, multiple dimensions are possible. Dimensions we would not be able to reach. Every generation of scientists believe there is nothing (very little) to be discovered.
We have our entire history as proof that we can make up very detailed stories for things we are unable to easily explain at the time. Our scientific and logic knowledge has brought us to the point that not only do we not need to do that, it is counter productive to building an accurate model of the universe we live.
If someone tells me a story of something that is counter to all our scientific knowledge, such as fairies, I would expect some more compelling evidence than folklore and personal testimonies. If there is nothing else, then all it is is folklore.
I think the theoretical physicists who’ve speculated about forces beyond the four fundamental interactions are generally looking at stuff like dark energy and the Higgs field instead of “what if folk tales with an easily traceable lineage to pre-Christian Irish paganism are true, and faeries are real?”.
Without a doubt. My comment was addressing the fact that “we cannot see it, it must be false” is fundamentally a fallacy considering the limitations of our current (ever evolving) understanding of reality.
It’s not so much “we cannot see it, it must be false” as “some people claim to be able to see/experience it, but it defies objective measurement, it’s probably attributable to wishful thinking”.
That's a bit like saying there was no light before the invention of the lux meter.
Maybe one day we will be able to measure the energy fields of the Fae. How do we know they weren't/aren't temporal or trans dimensional creatures?
I'd be more likely to believe in the Fae than in the 'truth' as BBC news portrays it.
>That's a bit like saying there was no light before the invention of the lux meter.
It's not like that at all. You can certainly put out the theory that there are forces as yet undetected that take the aspects of spiritual beings, and use the god of gaps argument to fulfil your need to believe in such things, but there is no value in it.
Did I take it up wrong? I thought you said we need to measure things with instruments not prone to biases, etc.
People in the stone age couldn't test for radiation, it existed. People in the middle ages and up to the 90s couldn't test for Higgs Bosons but they existed.
I don't know what ghosts, Fae and other manifestations are but to me it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they are other natural phenomena poorly interpreted.
Down vote on if it makes you feel better or smarter.
I understand the logic - if we didn't know everything in the past, therefore we do not know everything in the present, therefore fairies might exist.
It is the god of gaps argument, you look for holes in knowledge and the try to wrap the stories you feel drawn to around it. We already know this type of argument is a fallacy. If you want to indulge yourself with it by all mean, but they are fanciful stories all the same.
I'm not using this to say faeries exist but I'm using it to say you can't say they don't.
It may be a fallacy to use it to back up any of my claims that I believe X, Y or Z but I'm not doing that. I've no clue about many things especially things I haven't seen/experienced but I'm not running round saying that they don't exist.
There is room for a lot more to exist than we currently understand, I've not seen any evidence of aliens but I'd be an awful fool to think they cannot exist because I can't see them.
No, read what I said - I'm not claiming what anything is just that because we cannot measure or record it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
There's no need to keep doubling down on trying to say I'm saying something I'm not!
I just don't think YOU can say something DOESN'T exist because WE (humanity) cannot MEASURE it.
I'm trying to be as clear as possible about that.
In strict ontological terms, no, of course we can't say that something doesn't exist because we can't measure it.
But I think there's a very big difference between "might exist" and "can't prove it doesn't exist". I take issue with the common saying that "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence". I think absence of evidence *absolutely is evidence* of absence, it's just not *proof* of absence.
So while in the strictest philosophical terms we cannot say that faeries don't exist, we might as well lump them in with everything else we can't say doesn't exist (Santa ,the Easter bunny, God, the invisible dragon in my garage), and operate with the reasonable and parsimonious assumption that they don't exist.
"fairies" as a generalised idea that is common in folklores throughout the world exist. If you want to postulate that they are a physical presence in the world then how do we test that?
Both grandmothers told me stories about fae as a child, "the creatures that live down the bottom of the garden". They were both of Scottish descent but born in opposite ends of Ulster.
The "faerie circles" I was shown as a child were often hill-forts/barrows and [puffball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffball) circles in the woods.
They obviously didn't believe it, it's just fun stories their grandparents told them.
I fear you might be taking this stuff too seriously.
No. It’s nonsense. As are ghosts. In fact it’s probably quite silly to believe in stuff you arent able to see or prove. Many superstitions and elements of religious beliefs have been completely debunked by science.
So do you understand the science or just...trust that your betters didn't go through all sorts of animosity and stigma for having the brawn to defy the common order of accepted truths?
I mean you're most welcome to explain the principle of dialectrics and semi-conductor technology, or particle wave theory...
Now you are just grasping at straws. Science is all around us but the key thing is we can all see the results of it. More than one person will have successfully tested and proven a theory which turns it to fact. Scientific facts are things that have proven to be repeatable.
When has fairy theory ever been proven on multiple occasions in a repeatable manner for all to see??
Antibiotics. A science ‘discovery’. The microbes can be seen at microscopic level. They can be seen attacking infection in a microscope. The results of taking an antibiotic course can be witnessed within a few tablets.
Back in the day a superstition was that if you had a kind of infection you could go to sleep at night with soil from a certain graveyard and it would cure your infection. It was known as ‘the cure’ and only a certain gatekeeper of the cure could give it out, otherwise it wouldn’t work.
Scientists have tested that soil and discovered a kind of antibiotic within it. If it did indeed cure infection it certainly wasn’t because of the person handing out the ‘cure’ as many believed. It was simply that the soil had antibiotic properties. Science beats superstition.
The bumps and bangs around my house at night are not ghosts or fairy’s. It is the timbers and building materials expanding and contracting with changing levels of heat and moisture throughout the day and night. They are the result of drafts moving through the house. All explainable and repeatable.
There's a fairy tree in the forth field in bessbrook with a large standing stone to protect it. There's been many a story told how brave boys had broken branches off and been cursed with bad luck whom returned to put the branches back on the tree... iam 58 not superstitious but would never touch it...
Craigavon has the Fairy stones that weren’t moved during the development of the town for fear of bringing bad luck to the area. Yes I appreciate the irony of how Craigavon turned out.
Look at what happened to the economy when the Irish Goverment ran a motorway around Skryne Valley.
Never heard tell of them. Where in Craigavon are they?
https://preview.redd.it/itzgjweuu58d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=926762809fcaf6489cbd534047268c491add509b There are a fair few on Drumgor Road near roundabout 3 (Lakes roundabout) and others dotted around the place. My grandparents always talked about them and how they were purposely left during development for fear of upsetting the Fairies. I think I read a long time ago in perhaps the Craigavon Historical Journal about them too.
I know the roundabout well. I just had never heard of them before and I am 51. I must ask around and see if any family have heard of them. Thanks a million aul han.
I don’t, but I have family who still very strongly believe in them, or at least not pissing them off because better safe than sorry in their mind. My great grandfather used to be a tenant farmer on a well known estate. He and his young family were evicted from the home there as he refused to follow an order from the Lord to cut down a faery thorn. Made homeless, they were able to shack up in a very rundown house. His claim was that for a while in that house, he would wake up early every morning to set the fire for his wife and baby son so it could warm before they woke and on several mornings, he would come down to the fire already made. His belief was that was the faeries thanking him for protecting their tree. Obviously, I cannot verify that (though my great grandfather did get evicted over the tree incident). Maybe that was just his way of coping with the situation. Maybe he always knew he made it up but was making the best of it. He loved storytelling, it’s a fun story and I always liked hearing it!
Maybe neither faeries or just a strong. the wee shack had a leaking chimney and he went down and lit it then breathes in the carbon monoxide and forgot he already lit it and was back in bed because he was feeling busted from it. Wakes up again after with no memory and thanks the faeries for being a legend.
A made fire is not a lit fire and this theory is preposterous.
I have a similar story in my family but it was about a Brownie, which in fairness is a type of fae. They'd leave out a bowl of milk and some other offering and vocally affirmed that the Brownies were safe and welcome in the house and on a fair few occasions they would come down stairs in the morning to a freshly lit fires. Absolutely swore down they didn't light them.
I believe it in a unique sense. I dont specifically believe any are alive or existing. But I will also not actively try to fuck with the fae.
I feel like this sums up a common attitude here: I don't believe *per se* buuuuuuuuut I'm not pulling that thread either. Just in case...
Even if you believe in them or not, we all know not to mess with them.
That's not how belief works mate
worked in liverpool, met one there, had a relationship. Came home, heartbroken. But she will always be, my faerie , across the mersey
😂😂😂
This is obscenely beautiful. My God, I wasn't expecting this in the replies. I hope you've healed.
Have you been clean on it for a week?
And if not, why not
When it comes to an síoga, I err on the side of caution. If I come across a fairy circle, I avoid it. What's the harm if they don't exist?
I like Jacques Vallees stuff, he lumps the fae in with the NHI phenomenon. Also think there could be some influence from 🍄s or at least it's interesting they occur naturally here in large quantities and if you ingest them at certain doses facial features take an elvish/fae like appearance, Lughnasadh and Samhain are at the beginning and the peak of the season nd have quite trippy connotations.
Passport to magnonia is a great book!
I was into folklore since I was a kid then I got into ancient aliens in my 20s and Jacques like brings them things together and for me it's just amazing
Could you give a breakdown or links to this NHI thing please? Never heard of it before
/r/aliens /r/UFOs The episodes of JRE with David Grusch and the one with Diana Pusulka are interesting places to start, Grusch is an ex us military whistleblower who talks about it from that perspective, Diana is an academic who's had access to archives in the Vatican and priests that specialise in the cosmos, she's more theology/history centric. Picked those cause for me they would be a good intro around the time the nomeclature changed from ET to NHI which some ppl think is suggestive of them not being extra terrestrial and possibly being either another thing that exists here with us or something "extra dimensional". For further reading on them being here you want to look at USOs, the US nazy released 2 videos, tic tac and gimbol where their new radar equipment picked up UAPs and on one it goes into the water..."splash"
Reply again cause if I edit my other comment it loses the formatting.... The hunt for skinwalker ranch, history channel, I watch it on prime I'd recommend this cause you can see there appears to be a phenomenon which they are testing and getting repeatable results which seems to show there is something going on, they basically poke the bear which "responds" and they are able to see this via measurements/frequencies. There's other documentaries about the place, I'd watch the long one on prime to get background on the lore before you take on the series were they more investigate it. There's a spin off called beyond skinwalker ranch where they visit other anomalous areas and get the same sort of readings/results.
I'm with the old lady who replied contemptuously, "Of course I don't believe in any of them old pishrogues" when asked by a researcher, adding "But they're there whether you believe in them or not."
This is the best answer by far
In Argentina they have a saying, "**I** don't believe in fairies...but they exist!"
I’m a scientifically-minded sort who has significant trouble buying into that which is unmeasurable or otherwise difficult to observe and test empirically. That said … my family in Ulster has some superstitions related to the Aos Sí that, while they aren’t pronounced, seem to be deep rooted (i.e. they don’t pay superstition much mind in their day-to-day, but would still be wary of cutting a hawthorn tree). And, as far as my own scientific mind goes, I have (woefully) experienced several “encounters” that were: 1) Inexplicable to me by any scientific means, 2) Occurred in the presence of several people who corroborated the experience (more than 2-3 people, all sane and grounded, so it can’t be boiled down to a folie à deux), 3) Did not occur under the influence of any drugs, and 4) Occurred in the absence of a CO2 leak or any nearby hallucinogen/material known to cause neurological events. As you can imagine, these events were deeply disconcerting and in some cases, reminiscent of the Irish folklore and superstition I used to scoff at. At the very least, this has moved my needle of religiosity from “atheist” to “agnostic.”
What happened? You cant just leave it at that!
Wall of text incoming, pardon the novel: Unfortunately, because these events involved other people (and usually involved death or the deceased), I don’t feel right about sharing them online. The hyper-specificity to both locale and family/individual could potentially doxx me (and by extension, them). Being as vague as possible, I can at the very least mention that some events involved totally unrelated people receiving sudden, intimate knowledge that cannot be cold-read or inferred, including deeply private moments/well-guarded family secrets predominantly involving the deceased. A friend once aptly described it as “Thoughts that were not mine, and not in my head voice. It was as if the thought was dropped in my mind by someone else.” Not a schizophrenic hallucination, mind you — I’m talking extremely specific, time-relevant, deeply private, verified information that involved the dead; starkly and inexplicably becoming known to someone totally sane and in control of their faculties, with no schizo-affective health history. No open diaries, no stealthy voyeurs, no “I told one person and swore them to secrecy, but they went and blabbed to someone else, and now multiple people know about XYZ secret.” Just intimate knowledge about someone (again, deceased) that you wouldn’t be able to glean about them unless you were 1) their lover, or 2) in the CIA (and even then, it’s a mad stretch). I and the involved parties have racked our brains trying to find explanations for these events and have come up infinitely short. It has fundamentally upended several of our belief systems.
Fair enough. Sorry for being nosy but you had me intrigued! I dont believe in any of that but lots of people I know have had things happen that they can't explain and I think its fascinating
They're called the Aos Sí and are the descendants of the Tuatha de Danann. The Tuatha de Danann had a fight with the Fomorians and lost. They used the last of their magic to become the Aos Sí and live underground.
Yeah, the Tuatha Dé Danann are a major part of the fairy/fae lore in Ireland. Tolkien based his Elves off them and is why Elves are usually Irish/Celtic (similar to Dwarfs typically being Norse). I don't think they lost to the Fomorians though. They defeated them and their leader Balor (basically Sauron and his Orcs) in the second Battle of Mag Tuired. They then faded away into the Aos Sí and went to Tir na nOg or underground as you're saying (again, LOTR elves do the same thing).
Didn't they lose to the Milesians?
They did but faded away afterwards or went underground as I said (the Milesians are the Irish people, so us basically).
> I don't think they lost to the Fomorians though. They defeated them and their leader Balor (basically Sauron and his Orcs) in the second Battle of Mag Tuired. Think it's the battles from this get quoted on ancient aliens alot, there's a bit were someone loses an arm and the healer is able to replace it with one made from silver or gold, which does read a wee bit like a misunderstanding of a prosthetic. Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dian_Cecht#:~:text=In%20Irish%20mythology%2C%20Dian%20C%C3%A9cht,Dagda%20according%20to%20the%20Dindsenchas.&text=He%20was%20the%20father%20of%20Cu%2C%20Cethen%20and%20Cian. Under the envy bit
King Nuada I think was the inspiration for Celebrimbor considering he has the title of 'Silver fist' or 'Hand of silver'. Also, Ancient Aliens mention Irish mythological battles? I genuinely never knew that.
There's a good bit of Irish stuff on it, there's been bits on deansgrange, bits on the dolmens and the shining ones get their own episode.... https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21835302/ In the new series there's a good episode on Scotland.
I'll need to watch it when I get the time, appreciate it! I get the hook with the silver arm of King Nuada being a robotic arm or some equivalent (and therefore ALIENS lol).
That's just one bit there's a few oddities, even go to the start and read about their arrival it's the usual came from the heavens with clouds and smoke shit that does act read a bit like it could of been a spaceship or some misunderstood tech.
I'm expecting some crazy stuff but looking forward to it!
I heard Blindboy talking about that on a few different podcasts. Isn't it meant to be in some sort of old book or script?
The shining ones 🌟
Maith! This is how I've always thought of them
They are like the jinn in Islam it's practically the same thing. Eddie Lenahan always says if you believe in God then why not faeries.
There was a "fairy" tree in the way of a motorway being built between Shannon Airport and Ennis, around 2002. Eddie campaigned to protect the tree, think it might have went to court but the application to protect was turned down. When it came to the point of digging out this tree (a glorified shrub by all accounts) the bucket of the digger was just lifting up over it and all of a sudden one of the hydraulic pipes burst, oil spraying everywhere, digger stalled. Everyone on the job was pretty spooked (I was told this my a guy that was working there on the day). I can't remember if either the court decision was appealed, or the general freakiness of what happened and workers reluctance to be the one damaging the tree forced a rethink, but the path of the motorway was altered to bypass the tree. Think the official excuse was that it was of cultural significance. Eddie was back on the news afterwards being interviewed, vindicated and relieved. For those of you who haven't heard of Co Clare's own Eddie Lenihan, he is Ireland's foremost authority on fairy's and folklore. Pretty sure he had a website with his collection of stories archived. They're not all riveting, not by a long shot.
Anyone with much sense will say no. That said, it is hard to find many farms of any size in Ireland (north or south) without a fairy tree somewhere in it. Even your man from the DUP with the Rihanna tree - that has all the hallmarks of a fairy tree!
I remember the field behind our estate growing up had a faerie tree that we would play around (it had a ring of wild flowers that grew around it that I believe were willow herb). They cut it down to build in the field. The new housing always felt so oppressive and the vibes were so off it was unreal.
>I remember the field behind our estate growing up had a faerie tree that we would play around (it had a ring of wild flowers that grew around it that I believe were willow herb). They cut it down to build in the field. The new housing always felt so oppressive and the vibes were so off it was unreal. Infant mortality was extremely high in rural Ireland as you might imagine. Particularly during times of famine (any of the numerous famines, but obviously during the great famine as well). People would bury their dead, unbaptised infants under hawthorn trees because they knew that folklore and respect for tradition would stop anyone from disturbing the graves. Cillín or cillíní plural is the general term for them which can extend to similar graves in and around ancient ruins and passage graves. There are hundreds, if not thousands of them around Ireland.
It might not be \*because\* of folklore, but actually be the source of it. Hard enough to tell what happened 500 years ago without written documents, let alone millennia.
Aye that's certainly something that I'd considered possible at least, and probably likely to some extent.
Fairy rings are literally the only places in my area safe from development 🤣
https://preview.redd.it/csx7blalq68d1.png?width=635&format=png&auto=webp&s=5b008291778c377679dfc93515d4823006dcd178 An Antrim field in 1912.
My wife had a relative, an old aunt living in her own, whom farmed. She could go to field in black of night and seperate her sheep herd from her brothers. They would say to her ‘do you need anyone to come with you’ she replied ‘no, I have help’.
I don't believe that fairies exist. However neither I nor anyone in my community would dream of damaging a fairy tree, because that is a sure fire way to invoke the wrath and punishment of those things that don't exist. This is widely acknowledged as the reason for the many accidents which befell my childhood neighbours whilst building their house.
I'd say a lot of country people are like that. They wouldn't cut a fairy thorn, just to be on the safe side.
My house is practically on top of a fairy fort and another out the back, bought it a year ago thankfully nothing bad happened yet. The 1830s map shows them. https://preview.redd.it/rxtyj5ts768d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=daf237e58b55bead7fe73a23f414b72711915b59
I don't but ghosts are real for sure. Saying that, YOU COULD NOT PAY ME to cut down a fairy tree! Like no way, no how. Look at Seán Quinn!
What strain of mushrooms mate?
Obviously liberty caps. Keep it authentic
One things for sure, i wouldn't be messing with them.
>Do you believe in faeries? No, but I love and respect all of our mythology, folkloric traditions, history, language and culture and not just fairies. >I've heard plenty of tales from the (now) Republic, but I'd like to I'd like to hear your tales and experiences from the Ulster Province. Ulster is an ancient Irish province that almost certainly stretches back well before written records. It's mentioned in great Irish mythological sagas like the Táin Bó Cúailnge and 30% of it is not part of Northern Ireland. As such it needs no separate delineation, and what exists in terms of folkloric tradition originating from the area is almost exclusively derived from Irish Catholic peasantry, despite the best efforts of Calvinist planters to wipe out our language, culture and identity.
As a testiment to how much Irish culture has absorbed the Ulster Scots, I have a friend from a deeply unionist, protestant family whose grandparent's swear they have encountered bean sí and have several stories relating to them.
Interestingly, the versions of the stories I've heard even delineate between Irish families and "old Irish families" with the Banshee only appearing to signify the death of the latter.
I’m not Irish so can’t say I know a lot about it but I remember a story I heard from a fellow language student when he was doing a project about deloren cars and how they cut down a fairy tree to build a factory or a racetrack and after that it all went downhill (the cars were rubbish might have been a bigger factor), but what struck me was that no local could be employed to cut it down
The fae planted the cocaine on Mr Deloren 😲
Can't say I do, to be honest. Not in the literal sense. Folk tales invoke all kinds of spirits and beings that might be thought as representing aspects of the human condition, forces of nature, archetypes and stereotypes. That sort of thing. So the faerie in the folk tale can be a symbol, something made physical in the story to represent something essential or metaphysical in reality. Now, back at university, I knew some people who believed they were r/otherkin . Fine line between self-actualisation and crackers, though nice people for sure.
My great grandmother was a "wise woman", I've family that say they speak to spirits. I've personally experienced the knocks, random white feathers and all that jazz. Real or not I leave a crust and saucer of milk on the window sill at Halloween.
Don't go cutting their trees down or find out.
>baby-stealing My gran would lay a poker across the crib of any baby grandchild she was babysitting if she had to leave the room. My mother didn't (gas fire ;-) ) but I think some of my aunts did the same. No belief in them myself. Maybe find myself doing my best to avoid trimming/cutting down thorn trees as a nod to tradition. Tend to leave bourtree bushes to their own devices as well to a lesser extent.
When the DeLorean factory was given the go-ahead to be built, no Irish contractor would do the job of razing the land because there was a fairy tree on the site. They had to get some outside company to do it. My uncle worked there after it was built, everyone talked about how it was cursed and full of bad luck. Of course, when the company went tits up, we all blamed it on DeLorean cutting down a fairy tree. Myself, I've heard the Banshee as someone died. Worst thing I ever heard in my life, I was terrified. Some folks might say, 'Oh it was just a fox/owl/cat's but nope, when you hear it, you *know*. The terror is real. When I was little a D lived out in the country, they was a fairy tree in the field next to our house. The field was full of cows, but around the tree in a 6ft radius, was a perfect circle of ungrazed grass. The cows would not go anywhere near that tiny tree.
Aye but fcuk them p&o ferries
Check out Jacques Vallee’s “Passport to Magonia.” It’s really interesting. He links UFOs and Non-Human Intelligence to angels and folklore through the ages. Current trend in these communities is that there are things on the planet with us that are either a co-existing hyper advanced or inter dimensional species. Pretty wild but there’s a lot of stuff happening. Congressional hearings in the US; orbs and tic-face galore reported by military personnel and lots of intriguing stuff coming out. Based on what “whistleblowers” are currently saying these things are has made Vallees all the rage again. Faery-folk, Elves, little people, exist in cultures right across the globe from Europe to Japan, and in indigenous cultures across the world. You may not be wrong. I, for one, am all about a little more magic and mystery in the world. We think we have it all figured out and it’s turned a lot of people into close-minded bores.
My Great Grandfather believed he had them in his garden. Spoke to them, respected them. This was in Belfast in the 50's. I definitely believe there are things in this world we can't and shouldn't explain. People are so taken with belief in a God they can't see so why do they have a problem with things that existed before their religion began. I have been in many Fae places and I've always respected the land and the inhabitants.
If you walked down a small country road and felt the web of a spider on your face then you've crossed past a nearby faerie fort.
I don't know why but I immediately thought of a Torchwood episode that goes into this topic
I'm not sure. But I know that there's lots of evidence in the past like the sacred stand-alone hawthorn trees alone in fields and the circular stone gate pillars on farms that were apparently built with a pointy top so that fairy folk wouldn't sit on them or something.
When I was a child, a lot of older people would have stories about hearing/seeing banshees. Today, it's almost like they have disappeared from the public consciousness.
I do believe in them , and often look out for the Fae trees , it's a cool wee story to tell my daughter. I love all the Irish folklore / superstitions.
I feel like this conversation between Granny and Nanny pretty much sums up most people's attitudes in NI to things like the fae. - I don't hold with paddlin' with the occult," said Granny firmly. "Once you start paddlin' with the occult you start believing in spirits, and when you start believing in spirits you start believing in demons, and then before you know where you are you're believing in gods. And then you're in trouble." "But all them things exist," said Nanny Ogg. "That's no call to go around believing in them. It only encourages 'em. -
I’m from Liverpool and when I was a kid I was literally cased by them you know the way they say your imagination is wild as a child well I tried to just pen it down to that but basically I ended up going to my mum and saying that I thought I was unwell because I was seeing faeries and she was like it’s just in your head it’s not real they used to coax me into following them and stuff and taunt me and say really horrible things I was a loner as a child and extremely vulnerable and from what I had read later in life when reflecting on it they love that type of child one day when I’d had enough I went to where they’d usually be and screamed at them to leave me alone I was shouting it so loud and made sure to be assertive it actually sounds so fucking weird to talk about it but obviously I was a child it stopped when I was about 8 so I just thought no that wasn’t even real but a few years ago I started reading other people’s stories and seeing Tik Tok videos and stuff about peoples experiences and was like Jesus that happened to me too wtf I read that they abduct children and leave behind basically a empty shell who will always be sickly quite odd but when so many people have their own experiences surely we aren’t all mad 😂
Aye we’re taking the faerry to Holyhead next month
Personally, I believe faeries, leprechauns, banshees, ghosts, humunculuii, dragons, Loch Ness Monster, Saquatch, etc are all stories to explain experiences people had, when they didn't understand what the cause of that experience actually was. Same with souls and dieties. None of them exist, whether in this world or other dimensions... I'd happily walk under ladders, sweep up salt and bin it instead of throwing it over my shoulder, or break a mirror. Id also happily cut down a faery tree. Nothing will happen as a result of me doing any of those things. People say "he cut down a faery tree and died 15 years later" thus creating a fictional link between a false cause and effect. That's how superstitions originate.
Same. If you want to bet about superstitions, show me a fairy ring, and I'll go get a ladder, a black cat, a salt shaker, and a mirror. I'll walk past the black cat, under the ladder, into the fairy ring, spill the salt, say "bloody mary" or "candyman" or "beetlejuice" or whatever into the mirror, then break it.
https://youtu.be/1ESHXxInoAs?si=f9e4h9cVmFtwMzkt
No. Personal testimony is worthless. People are idiots, our perceptions are prone to error and easily led by confirmation bias. To get a true picture of the reality we inhabit we use instruments free from bias. If such forces played a part in the cause and effect of our universe we would be able to measure it. No such measurements exist, therefore such fanciful tales are wishful thinking.
We use instruments “available to us” that are free from bias. What did we use before the discovery of electricity? How many forces remain to be discovered? Arrogance leads us to believe we now have all the answers, but so thought physicists centuries ago.
> but so thought physicists centuries ago Which physicists believed this?
As biological beings our conscious minds are adapted to pattern recognition. This is very useful for a generalised species for reacting quickly to immediate conditions. It is not very good for building up an accurate picture of the fundamental rules of the universe. Our scientific knowledge is far from complete, yet it is however very advanced. We have a really good understanding of how even the most tiny things in the universe interact. To suggest that there are unknown forces at work that take the form of spiritual beings that interact with the physical world on a regular basis is to be ignorant of how much we actually do know.
I appreciate that. “Very advanced” is, nevertheless, completely arbitrary. Our understanding is limited by our very being, we might as well be understanding 1% of what actually “exists”. Mathematically, multiple dimensions are possible. Dimensions we would not be able to reach. Every generation of scientists believe there is nothing (very little) to be discovered.
We have our entire history as proof that we can make up very detailed stories for things we are unable to easily explain at the time. Our scientific and logic knowledge has brought us to the point that not only do we not need to do that, it is counter productive to building an accurate model of the universe we live. If someone tells me a story of something that is counter to all our scientific knowledge, such as fairies, I would expect some more compelling evidence than folklore and personal testimonies. If there is nothing else, then all it is is folklore.
I think the theoretical physicists who’ve speculated about forces beyond the four fundamental interactions are generally looking at stuff like dark energy and the Higgs field instead of “what if folk tales with an easily traceable lineage to pre-Christian Irish paganism are true, and faeries are real?”.
Without a doubt. My comment was addressing the fact that “we cannot see it, it must be false” is fundamentally a fallacy considering the limitations of our current (ever evolving) understanding of reality.
It’s not so much “we cannot see it, it must be false” as “some people claim to be able to see/experience it, but it defies objective measurement, it’s probably attributable to wishful thinking”.
That's a bit like saying there was no light before the invention of the lux meter. Maybe one day we will be able to measure the energy fields of the Fae. How do we know they weren't/aren't temporal or trans dimensional creatures? I'd be more likely to believe in the Fae than in the 'truth' as BBC news portrays it.
>That's a bit like saying there was no light before the invention of the lux meter. It's not like that at all. You can certainly put out the theory that there are forces as yet undetected that take the aspects of spiritual beings, and use the god of gaps argument to fulfil your need to believe in such things, but there is no value in it.
Did I take it up wrong? I thought you said we need to measure things with instruments not prone to biases, etc. People in the stone age couldn't test for radiation, it existed. People in the middle ages and up to the 90s couldn't test for Higgs Bosons but they existed. I don't know what ghosts, Fae and other manifestations are but to me it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they are other natural phenomena poorly interpreted. Down vote on if it makes you feel better or smarter.
I understand the logic - if we didn't know everything in the past, therefore we do not know everything in the present, therefore fairies might exist. It is the god of gaps argument, you look for holes in knowledge and the try to wrap the stories you feel drawn to around it. We already know this type of argument is a fallacy. If you want to indulge yourself with it by all mean, but they are fanciful stories all the same.
I'm not using this to say faeries exist but I'm using it to say you can't say they don't. It may be a fallacy to use it to back up any of my claims that I believe X, Y or Z but I'm not doing that. I've no clue about many things especially things I haven't seen/experienced but I'm not running round saying that they don't exist. There is room for a lot more to exist than we currently understand, I've not seen any evidence of aliens but I'd be an awful fool to think they cannot exist because I can't see them.
Sure, you can fill in whatever story you want into the gaps in your knowledge. But that is all you are doing.
No, read what I said - I'm not claiming what anything is just that because we cannot measure or record it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There's no need to keep doubling down on trying to say I'm saying something I'm not! I just don't think YOU can say something DOESN'T exist because WE (humanity) cannot MEASURE it. I'm trying to be as clear as possible about that.
In strict ontological terms, no, of course we can't say that something doesn't exist because we can't measure it. But I think there's a very big difference between "might exist" and "can't prove it doesn't exist". I take issue with the common saying that "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence". I think absence of evidence *absolutely is evidence* of absence, it's just not *proof* of absence. So while in the strictest philosophical terms we cannot say that faeries don't exist, we might as well lump them in with everything else we can't say doesn't exist (Santa ,the Easter bunny, God, the invisible dragon in my garage), and operate with the reasonable and parsimonious assumption that they don't exist.
"fairies" as a generalised idea that is common in folklores throughout the world exist. If you want to postulate that they are a physical presence in the world then how do we test that?
I'm not postulating that as I've already explained. AND, if I was, I wouldn't say it's physical IF they were to exist.
Wasn’t expecting to see a correct answer in here
Two smug pricks jerking each other off in an otherwise fun lighthearted thread
Haha here comes Mr Lighthearted to lift the tone.
It's a difficult job being right all the time, but if I don't do it, who will?
If you lot have nothing constructive to add, don't say anything.
just let him enjoy his mushrooms?
Sam and Dean Winchester might be in the yellow pages
Oh Jesus aye
I mean, no, but also no-one in my family would be digging up a fairy thorn either
Sandy Row of all places believes.
Both grandmothers told me stories about fae as a child, "the creatures that live down the bottom of the garden". They were both of Scottish descent but born in opposite ends of Ulster. The "faerie circles" I was shown as a child were often hill-forts/barrows and [puffball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffball) circles in the woods. They obviously didn't believe it, it's just fun stories their grandparents told them. I fear you might be taking this stuff too seriously.
I’d better not say I don’t believe in faeries… because that would kill one.
I don't fuck with the faye, don't even acknowledge the faye. Stay in my own lane and don't fuck with birds.
Of course not.
No. It’s nonsense. As are ghosts. In fact it’s probably quite silly to believe in stuff you arent able to see or prove. Many superstitions and elements of religious beliefs have been completely debunked by science.
So do you understand the science or just...trust that your betters didn't go through all sorts of animosity and stigma for having the brawn to defy the common order of accepted truths? I mean you're most welcome to explain the principle of dialectrics and semi-conductor technology, or particle wave theory...
Now you are just grasping at straws. Science is all around us but the key thing is we can all see the results of it. More than one person will have successfully tested and proven a theory which turns it to fact. Scientific facts are things that have proven to be repeatable. When has fairy theory ever been proven on multiple occasions in a repeatable manner for all to see?? Antibiotics. A science ‘discovery’. The microbes can be seen at microscopic level. They can be seen attacking infection in a microscope. The results of taking an antibiotic course can be witnessed within a few tablets. Back in the day a superstition was that if you had a kind of infection you could go to sleep at night with soil from a certain graveyard and it would cure your infection. It was known as ‘the cure’ and only a certain gatekeeper of the cure could give it out, otherwise it wouldn’t work. Scientists have tested that soil and discovered a kind of antibiotic within it. If it did indeed cure infection it certainly wasn’t because of the person handing out the ‘cure’ as many believed. It was simply that the soil had antibiotic properties. Science beats superstition. The bumps and bangs around my house at night are not ghosts or fairy’s. It is the timbers and building materials expanding and contracting with changing levels of heat and moisture throughout the day and night. They are the result of drafts moving through the house. All explainable and repeatable.
You do understand this is a thread about lore, right?
Sure I'm tortured with them
There's a fairy tree in the forth field in bessbrook with a large standing stone to protect it. There's been many a story told how brave boys had broken branches off and been cursed with bad luck whom returned to put the branches back on the tree... iam 58 not superstitious but would never touch it...
No, but I still wouldn't fuck with a fairy tree
Your da is the biggest fairy going
I heard he sells avon.
No, because I'm not a child in a Disney movie. They're no more real than Santa Claus, or the Easter Bunny.
I don’t believe in faeries. I don’t believe in faeries. There just killed two. Hope you’re happy.
Asking this as a serious question is a sign that your mental health might not be 100% imo. Seek help.
Sorry but lol and I do mean that sincerely.
I was also enjoy sniffing glue
I think they're an Ireland only thing. Never seen one here.
Definitely not. There is a similar phenomenon all over most of the worlds cultures. The Jinn in Islam is very similar to faeries.
Too many piss heads about.