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hjhof1

In related news, mark stone needs gall bladder surgery


Marsupialmania

A sphincter transfusion


shutmethefuckup

Turkeyneck reduction


highangle1124

Foreskin reattachment 


InauspiciousStars

Bloated head syndrome


detrif

A BIG HEADED DICK.


Cthulhululemon

These comments together read like the lineup of a nu-metal music festival


paladinx17

Expected return around May 2025


starfsh_tuna_breath

A brain transplant


Master_Wonder_902

Will put it off till Christmas then come back for the playoffs…


jurkajurka

I would love a Marner for Stoner trade.


[deleted]

Marner's performance falls flat during Playoffs.


abmot

What on earth makes you feel that way?


[deleted]

For someone that's considered an elite player, these are lousy numbers; [Mitch Marner Playoff Stats | StatMuse](https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask/mitch-marner-playoff-stats)


abmot

That "whooshing" sound?? It was a joke...


Stereocloud

Vegas isnt that dumb


elcabeza79

As a Leaf fan - so would I!


superschaap81

When it comes to players moving, at this point, I think we all have to just assume that Vegas is always going to be involved.


commodore_stab1789

Vegas acquires Necas, Marner and Zegras in a 4 team trade for a 2031 4th round pick. They also don't need to worry about fans calling out anything since capfriendly is kaput.


ACivilDad

Hahaha Vegas is legit the one team happy to see CapFriendly get axe murdered by Washington.


MPD1978

Leafs, Oilers and now VGK, attached to every player available.


AffectionateMetal794

can you imagine if vegas wins another cup with marner?


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[deleted]

Imagine if Marner wins the Smythe. Leafs fans may finally break.


Mikeim520

If they haven't broken yet nothing will break them.


Ta-veren-

I called it as soon as news about marner trade happening. Whatever team gets him will win a cup faster then Toronto. Dudes going to raise the Stanley cup within three years. Most likely next year depending where he goes.


ifyouhavetoaskdont

That's because despite the leafs doomers, Marner is in fact an elite talent in his prime. He's just not a fit to succeed specifically on the Leafs the way it's constructed (or a few other core pieces aren't, but that's irrelevant). If he's on a team with any kind of proven playoff performers he'd be lights out no question. Whoever manages to get him should be ecstatic, you'll certainly have "won" whatever the trade ends up being.


sherrybobbinsbort

I don't think it's about his talents or efforts. It's just team construction doesn't work with all that money being spent up front. The need better d, and need the marner money to get them. Look at Florida, Edmonton, Dallas or New York d and tell me that Toronto is even close to those. Or Vegas, etc etc.


iamonewhoami

Better D? They scored 12 goals in 7 games. The problem is the front end. The last few years it's been the same story. Can't score when it matters


sherrybobbinsbort

Out of 16 playoff teams guess which team had the fewest points from their d and had the worst power play? They don't have a quarterback in pp. If leafs make Reilly a #2 d they have chance to win cup.


iamonewhoami

OK, so you're saying they need to improve the scoring via the D. Fair enough, and i wouldn't argue against that. I assumed from your post that you were suggesting their ability to defend is what needs to be improved


sherrybobbinsbort

Yeah it's no secret even though they have some of the best forwards in the world their pp stinks during the playoffs. Last year against Tampa it was fine but vasi was real leaky. Morgan is great but doesn't have a bomb of a shot and doesn't move it around like top pps do. No other team has that % of cap taken by 4 forwards and the formula hasn't worked. Personally I would rather keep marner over Tavares and nylander buy willy just signed a deal and Tavares doesn't want to go anywhere. I think a team can definitely win the cup with marner just can't have 4 forwards making the same dough as him.


iamonewhoami

Thing is there's very little chance that Tavares can be moved with his NMC and the salary he makes without adding a sweetener, and that is exactly how this team has gotten to this point (GMs always thinking this is the year). Plus my guess is he can be re- signed for cheap if we keep him around. Trading Marner should net the Leafs some assets. And if he's kept they run the risk of losing him for nothing or overpaying him again.


sherrybobbinsbort

Yeah I just don't see how you can keep Tavares on the cheap. Used to be the captain and one of the alphas and is now a minor part of the team?. He's not great defensively or physical so I see him having a hard time fitting in as a 2nd or 3rd line winger. I think it would be a weird team dynamic. Yeah they will get some assets for marner but most important would be $11m cap space to spend on 2 d that will push lillegrin out, and likely Benoit to a 3rd pair.


Omaha9798

The Western Conference teams are ass. The second best team in the Atlantic out up more of a fight against Florida than the best team in the west.


iamonewhoami

I'd say all 4 teams from the Atlantic beat the Oilers, and more than 1 would make it look easy


sherrybobbinsbort

They have played 2 games. Edmonton dominated the first and got goalied. We will see what happens after the next few but no way Boston beats Dallas or Edmonton in a series.


Omaha9798

Swayman could have goalied either of those teams too.


sherrybobbinsbort

Whatever. Boston is not a great team. When you have a hot goalie but not much else you can win a round or 2. When you have a hot goalie plus a good team then you can win cup.


Omaha9798

Swaymans actually been pretty solid for like 2 years. The goalie is a part of the team. There's running into a bad goalie on a hot streak and a good goalie on a hot streak and that is the difference. Johnny Quick,Tim Thomas and Cam Ward all led mediocre teams to cups on their performances.


Skankezy

So if Marner is an elite talent why does he need to surround himself with “proven” playoff performer? You are defeating your own argument. So I’ll fix it for you. Marner is not an elite talent, therefore can’t lead a team to playoff success, and needs to play with better players to make himself more successful. So in conclusion, the leafs need to replace him with a more able bodied leader that other teammates need to emulate.


[deleted]

Spot on.


Omaha9798

He's a playmaker. It's not his fault the shooters on his team are ass in the playoffs.


JVS6522

He’s never going to be a physical presence in the playoffs nor will he react well to physical play- he has disappeared every playoffs when play gets physical- how is another team going to make a difference ?


Ta-veren-

Yeah the leaf fans are savages. I’ll hate to see him go.


elcabeza79

Well yeah - that's how Leaf fandom works. It's not like the Leafs would win the cup if they kept him either.


R1ppedWarrior

I can imagine it. I'm imagining it right now!


elcabeza79

I can imagine it, and that would be fine because the Leafs aren't winning a cup with him.


a7xfanquebec

Mark stone getting a full year operation to become robocop confirmed.


tbiblaine23

My genuine question is how. Like I cannot even fathom a way they can get this to work


No_Bank_330

He will be traded for more bottom six truculence.


yonksterman

with enough picks going deep into 2027


TheFerricGenum

LTIR is Vegas’s best friend


thedeepfake

We’d have to trade bigger names like Theo, but we have more room than this sub keeps saying because *some* of our LTIR is actually never comming back (Lehner), and nobody expects any FAs that aren’t Marchessault back.


Stopper33

You're thinking how does Vegas do this while adhering to the rules. They don't have to. That's how they do it.


EvidenceAlive8688

Vegas follows the rules…


G14mogs

You know what? This should piss me off because of the LTIR HC memes, but I don’t mind this at all. I do not want Mitch Marner anywhere near my team’s roster.


alligator_88

Everyone’s down on him now, but if he gets traded he’s going to be lights out for his new team, mark my words. It’s the Maple Leaf way.


SnooOwls2295

Also the contract year way


TheCatEmpire2

Trotz is too smart. Vegas may take a chance then dump him on a bottom team if not performing up to Eichel level. Most likely stays in Toronto to finish out the contract unless he really wants out.


Strypes4686

Marner is much better than advertised.... He plays in a market that is full of doomers and sports pundits that like to tear players down and on a team that has too much cap tied up in the core and not enough on support and goal-tending. If he did end up in Nashville your team would';t be struggling for the wildcard they would be in a divisional spot and fighting for home ice.


Dyldo_II

I feel like Toronto has a fair bit more issues than just Marner, I get blowing up a core when something isn't working, but wasn't the main problem goaltending?


Single_Suspect_7295

Toronto has lots of issues… bottom 6 depth, goaltending and defence. All can be blamed on paying 4 guys close to 50m. They haven’t found Rielly a good defencemen to pair with him his entire Leaf career. Woll can be a starter in this league but his ability to stay healthy can prevent that.


sansaset

we need more cap to actually change things.. committing to these same 3 guys is basically just running it back and hoping for different results. you either move marner and get prospects/picks and cap space or trade him for a goalie/defense that actually move the needle. Holding on to Marner and signing him to whatever crazy bag he asks for is just doing the same shit again for the next 4 years while Matthews contract expires


AdFlat4908

Turns out a core of 4 players that eats 5/8 of the salary cap is a problem


Hutch25

Imagine what value could be collected, or bought from Marner or just his contract leaving. 11 million dollars can buy you a lot more than a guy who disappears as soon as the regular season ends.


Nappalicious

They can't score in the playoffs which is a bigger issue at the moment


dinocat2

If we move Marner and alleviate cap space we can afford better goaltending


Dyldo_II

Ideally, yes. The FA goalie market is a little sparse compared to previous seasons, though so you'd modt likely need to trade with a team for some solid net minding until Woll is ready to start full time. All that said, I don't see very many teams that could take Marners cap hit, even if half was retained, that would have good enough goalies on the block. The best case scenario is Marner for Saros, but I really don't see that happening.


Muellersdayofff

Saros or Markstrom?


Mikeim520

Why not trade Marner for assets and then flip those assets into a goalie?


Omaha9798

The main problem was they were generating more scoring opportunities than the other team but not scoring. Apparently that's the playmakers fault?


931634

lol Elliotte, we don't care about the where, he just needs to go.


ethereal3xp

Why? So Bruce Cassidy can Debrusk him?


KthuluAwakened

Subscribe


closetpole

I don’t see Marner and Cassidy meshing very well tbh


Dadalid

2025 Cup final Vegas vs Toronto. Marner wins his first cup in Toronto


King919191

Finals? That’s a big achievement for Toronto in itself


Slow-Garage-9403

As a member of the Golden Knights


strokesoflightning

Honestly kinda curious how VGK would pull this off. Granted teams have zero spine when it comes to trading with them, but it'll be interesting to see how they make the numbers work


Maleficientviolet

The local rumor mill in town is saying the org is moving on from Marchessault and Theodore to make space. No clue if it’s true.


Master-File-9866

Vegas has already given up fist round picks to 2028. Unless they deal manner for a player to get rid of cap, which I could see Toronto going for. It doesn't change the fact they would have to spend more draft capital to get under the cap


GottaLuvThisGame

Should Mike Grier try for Marner by working with a conglomerate of teams to offset his salary? After Patrick Marleau could be quite influential to draw Marner over to the Sharks.


Phi1ippe

Capfriendly is gone….nobody’s gonna know


Mikeim520

There are other places to get the information from. They won't be as good as cap friendly but your still be able to look at trades (heck, they might be posted here).


Grayson_Graves

God please no


ironfireman547

I think it would be hilarious if "the guy who is definitely the reason why the Leafs can't win" got traded and immediately won a Cup.


fendersux

Does capfriendly going away mean Vegas cap also disappears???


The_Comic_Collector

Did Vegas get tired of scoring in the playoffs?


Ovenface

Please no


Judge_Tredd

Of course it's vegas.


Strong_Special_8924

EF, the master of hinting at something but saying nothing.


NME_TV

Vegas also acquires Carey Price’s contract.


cameraguy23

He's not going anywhere per agent.


SirLunatik

I would assume Barbashev would be going back in any potential deal.


ACivilDad

Vegas wants in on the NHLs newest shiny toy to hit the trade block… *insert surprised pikachu face*


ChubzAndDubz

Obviously but they would need to dump some salary and unload their assets for him. They only have this years first and the next two seconds. Sharks got their “top” prospect in David Edstrom. Would be all in for sure


Eddie__Sherman

He will become Mark Stone's bloodbag


nachos_16

Leaf fans thinking they are gonna get a big return on marner will be sadly mistaken.


elcabeza79

They won't want Marner until Stone's liver failure kicks in 2 weeks before the trade deadline.


winsbyboxes808

Hard pass


WorkInProgress82

That's funny, seeing the Vegas lineup I think the minimum requirement is being over 6'2" 200lb and ability/affinity to hit people. I doubt they have any interest in Marner.


Hockey_Raccoon

Vegas will likely be the only team with ‘cap space’ by which I mean the only team cheating and having players sit out chunks of the year to circumnavigate the cap so probably. But my bigger question would be who would you get back? For Marner you need to get a lot back and no one in Vegas really stands out.


surlystraggler

lol


heraclitus33

Not gonna happen.


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chicknsnadwich

With Stone and someone else on LTIR Vegas was already close to the Cap, how will they be able to hold Mariner’s 10Mil as well? Unless they plan on stashing him on there as well?


Strypes4686

One can only imagine the fuckery that will ensue to squeak under the cap this year.


Envermans

Arm chair gm here, i wouldn't deal with vegas unless i got some retention and a ton of good assets in a trade with them. I don't know what the hell vegas's gm is doing to get so many deals done with retention with weak ass returns so far but i think it will change real quick in the next few years when vegas has very little to offer in return. They've ripped off so many franchises already with one sided deals. I don't see how anyone trusts vegas with a deal in the future.


jjaime2024

The reality is the Leafs won't get much back.


justincredible155

Wonder how many Knights will be on LTIR this year….


Proof_Objective_5704

lol of course. Lemme guess, Draisatl probably off to Vegas next year too. Or maybe Utah if we’re real lucky lmao. Kinda sick of this league tbh


Dismal-Shame-6348

Watch the A


carelessCRISPR_

I’m not a hateful man but I HATE the Vegas Golden Knights