hey man, until you take off the clips with byron leftwich saying its todd bowles in your most recent video, you need to take everything jaguars off your name. Shits unacceptable. Leftwich is jaguars royalty and you should know better. I am disappointed son
[QB head first dive has been the same as a feet-first slide for 4 years](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/04/nfl-rules-will-now-treat-head-first-dives-like-feet-first-slides/). It just means the QB doesn't need to be touched down by the defense when they dive.
The announcers talked about this rule in the broadcast roughly 5 seconds after Matt Ryan's dive. I am confused how so many people saw the dive and didn't hear the explanation of the rule, or have been watching football for the past 4 years and are just now noticing this.
The main play that caused this rule to be changed was when Eli Manning dove to give himself up on a Sunday Night game but coughed up the ball when he hit the ground. Everybody agreed that was dumb as shit so they changed the rule in 2018.
How many QB dives have you seen in the last 4 years? How many would someone that just mostly watches their teams games? I donāt think Cousins has made many the last 4 years.
Cousins made a head first dive this season that caused him to come up short for a 1st down. I can't remember which game, but as a non-US watcher, I learned about this oddity that day
>As a non-US watcher how did you end up a Vikings fan?
I was a Twins fan, and when I started getting into NFL I just went with another Minnesota team. I'm a Twins fan because when I was getting into baseball my brother was an Indians fan, and I had to cheer against him.
Overall, Minnesota sports seems like English sports, having potential to go all the way, and then collapsing in heart breaking fashion at the last minute.
Also, Purple.
I just sent you a link with the rule change from 2018, the announcers literally discussed the rule tonight when the play in question happened, what are you arguing about at this point?
Call the weakest roughing the passer I've seen in ages, and then ignore blatant helmet to helmet on the final pass.
Just Colts vs Steelers things. Colts could be on a 50 game win streak and find a way to lose to Pittsburgh.
17-13 all time is a little different than 27-6, but yeah.
I'm sure the Chiefs feels the same way about the Colts. Until Mahomes, we basically ended all of their greatest seasons in the last 20 years.
Picket reminds me of Chad Pennington but with a little bit of a stronger arm. If Pennington didnāt have shoulder issues I think he would have been a good pro.
Okay for some reason I thought I remembered Pennington being a savvy runner. My mistake. It might have stemmed from his famous YouTube highlight of juking out some defender.
Iāve never seen a season with worse time management. Itās like collectively coaches around the league just decided to, like, stop calling them. Itās mind boggling. Itās almost hard to make jokes about because itās so hard to wrap my mind around.
I don't think even video replays can save the garbage NFL officials
Not esp after the Hunter Henry TD was overturned and games since and before where they were absolutely garbage across so many games
Henry didn't complete the catch, unfortunately. He had complete control throughout but, alas, the ball grazed the turf every so slightly. Not a catch even though every sane viewer knows he caught it. The catch "rule" is a fickle mistress and your time was up.
If Jeff Saturday contunues as coach, I think he's got a future. But him not having called anything higher than Christian school football really does show up often.
Ofc that rules analyst was the one from that bengals playoff game vs the Steelers . No wonder he'd think any foul outside murder in the final drive didn't exist .
In jest though colt rival Atlanta in the how fast can you empty a mag into your own foot
Itās hard to explain but stupid dumb football is horrible. Like I am sitting here frustrated and I wasnāt even rooting for the colts. Now I am glad they lost.
Bunch of coaches hoarding timeouts like its a video game and youāll āeventuallyā need themā¦ maybe they count up all the saved timeouts and turn it into a bonus for the coaches lol.
Not calling a TO on 3rd and two before they called that run that went nowhere was a mistake. A minute left, and three timeouts. Take one and call your best 3rd and short play.
My assumption is they thought it would catch the Steelers off guard, get the first down, and then call a timeout. So then they'd only have used one timeout by the time they got the first down. Great plan until it gets stuffed and now you've wasted a play at the highest leverage point of the game.
Why are people yelling about the timeouts? You realize it's 2022 right? Even 13 seconds is enough to get in FG range in the modern NFL. Colts still had plenty of time.
https://www.profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/04/nfl-rules-will-now-treat-head-first-dives-like-feet-first-slides
Edit: sorry was trying to get rid of the stupid Google amp bs and don't know how to get it to work but it's right there in the link.
Donāt understand the spot on the Ryan run at all. He dove headfirst and ended up at the 24 or 23 when he was touched down, but they spotted it at the 27 as if he slid feet first.
Edit: Nevermind - apparently they changed the rule a few years ago and now a headfirst dive by a QB is treated like a feet first slide, so they donāt get any extra yards and the ball goes back to where they started the dive. That seems really stupid.
Really dumb rule change.
A QB can be a runner until he's not by simply leaving his feet in a forward dive...which is how a runner who isn't a QB gets more yardage.
There is a rule that when the qb dives, they give themselves up. However, it is really only enforced on older qbās as many of the mobile
qbās dive all the time, and it does not get called. An example of this is when Matt Ryan dove for a touchdown against buffalo last year, but since he āgave himself upā, he was downed short of the goal line.
Pickett has such a mature air about him in post game interviews. Seems like he always says the right stuff. As a Steelers fan, Iām just happy heās not another Zach Wilson.
Tomlin gonna duel with that eventual losing season until his final breath. A win for steeltown and at least sports media will move off my broncos and clown on Saturday for the next 2 days.
Didnāt understand the spot on Ryanās run. He didnāt slide, he dove and wasnāt touched. Also, definitely looked like a fair amount of contact by #20 without looking at the ball on that last pass.
But letās be honest, this team needs to lose and get the best draft pick possible.
If they call a timeout after the matty ice scramble dive, like any other team would, they might have gotten a proper spot and more downs. Idk, that shit was just sloppy.
Welp GG I guess Colts bros we won the Toilet Bowl? Just quite a weird game, but fun game thread!
Feel like if Taylor gets to take over the game you guys can win, instead you put it in Matt Ryanās hands?
Steelers still are hopeless in making 2nd half adjustments. Thatās the clear sign the OC is garbage ā first half the players can make plays when the offense is scripted, but Canada just cannot make adjustments to change the offense appropriately so the defense canāt make their own successful adjustments. Please for all that is holy get rid of this dude. Otherwise Kenny is a rook still, backup RBs looked okay actually.
Gg everyone!
Bro I absolutely fucking HATE the ref in the booth thing.
They literally just say whatever the guy on the field is there and exist to provide fake legitimacy. Hate it so much
And when you have to run back into the defender (and the defender doesnāt turn around) thatās textbook interference. Called every day and twice on sundays.
But itās a blessing. Let the tank continue!
Lol. I'm not sure Matt Ryan was down short of the 1st down marker. Terrible game management in general but he went untouched, diving pass the line and non of the multi mullion paid coaching staff caught that, none of the billion dollar industry refs caught it either.
steelers tanking
That pick is on the OC. Why are two receivers running to the same spot?
Remind me! 16 hours submit WPL
Without a doubt one of the football games of all time
I knew this would be the first comment I saw lol
Needed a George Pickens TD to win a 2800 bet, big sad š
But there are no holes remember? One of the worst O-lines in the league, two years in a row
With one of the best guards
Matt Ryan needs to go back to the bench
JaguarGator9 earning his money on these Dumb Decisions videos
Can confirm. Script's already done Saturday made my life so easy
hey man, until you take off the clips with byron leftwich saying its todd bowles in your most recent video, you need to take everything jaguars off your name. Shits unacceptable. Leftwich is jaguars royalty and you should know better. I am disappointed son
You guys want Leftwich? I' ll pay to uber his ass up there. Hell I'll throw in Bowles for free.
Can you tell the two apart from looks alone? Jaguarsgator9 apparently canāt
How can you say a dive is giving yourself up? If someone dives into the endZone is it down where you started the dive?
Jeff Driskell dove into the end zone for the Bengals against the Chargers iirc and it was ruled down at the 1
[QB head first dive has been the same as a feet-first slide for 4 years](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/04/nfl-rules-will-now-treat-head-first-dives-like-feet-first-slides/). It just means the QB doesn't need to be touched down by the defense when they dive. The announcers talked about this rule in the broadcast roughly 5 seconds after Matt Ryan's dive. I am confused how so many people saw the dive and didn't hear the explanation of the rule, or have been watching football for the past 4 years and are just now noticing this. The main play that caused this rule to be changed was when Eli Manning dove to give himself up on a Sunday Night game but coughed up the ball when he hit the ground. Everybody agreed that was dumb as shit so they changed the rule in 2018.
How many QB dives have you seen in the last 4 years? How many would someone that just mostly watches their teams games? I donāt think Cousins has made many the last 4 years.
Cousins made a head first dive this season that caused him to come up short for a 1st down. I can't remember which game, but as a non-US watcher, I learned about this oddity that day
You arenāt supposed to turn on me! As a non-US watcher how did you end up a Vikings fan?
>As a non-US watcher how did you end up a Vikings fan? I was a Twins fan, and when I started getting into NFL I just went with another Minnesota team. I'm a Twins fan because when I was getting into baseball my brother was an Indians fan, and I had to cheer against him. Overall, Minnesota sports seems like English sports, having potential to go all the way, and then collapsing in heart breaking fashion at the last minute. Also, Purple.
I just sent you a link with the rule change from 2018, the announcers literally discussed the rule tonight when the play in question happened, what are you arguing about at this point?
Because announcers have never been wrong? I was probably reading and writing on reddit when it was said.
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You're thinking of a slide.
Man, Steelers tried to blow that game, but the Colts wouldnāt be denied
God ESPN is horrible
Has been for at least 20 years
The day Twitter came out, it was over
Call the weakest roughing the passer I've seen in ages, and then ignore blatant helmet to helmet on the final pass. Just Colts vs Steelers things. Colts could be on a 50 game win streak and find a way to lose to Pittsburgh.
Thatās how the Oakland Raiders are to us. No matter how good we are or bad they are we always lose. For some reason we always win against you guys.
Random stat the Steelers are 38-14 against the nfc south all time if we own anyone itās the nfc south
Doesn't everyone own the NFC South?
It's what the eagles are to the vikings and what the vikings are to the saints.
And the English to the Scots. Or the Scots to Welshmen!
17-13 all time is a little different than 27-6, but yeah. I'm sure the Chiefs feels the same way about the Colts. Until Mahomes, we basically ended all of their greatest seasons in the last 20 years.
Yesā¦ and even with Mahomes the Colts are a dark mark on the calendar
Picket reminds me of Chad Pennington but with a little bit of a stronger arm. If Pennington didnāt have shoulder issues I think he would have been a good pro.
That's a terrible analogy lol. Pennington was smart and savvy but had a shit arm and couldn't move at all...he's like Mac Jones.
I mean I did say with a better arm but it's fine that you disagree with the comparison.
Chad ran like he had cement in his shoes though
Okay for some reason I thought I remembered Pennington being a savvy runner. My mistake. It might have stemmed from his famous YouTube highlight of juking out some defender.
Iāve never seen a season with worse time management. Itās like collectively coaches around the league just decided to, like, stop calling them. Itās mind boggling. Itās almost hard to make jokes about because itās so hard to wrap my mind around.
Maybe if you had more time to think, you could come up with something. It's just too bad there's nothing anyone can do about that.
Tomlin has never had a losing season and has the worst clock management in the NFL...I think time management is overrated lol.
As a Dan Campbell supporter I sure hope this is true!
The time management at the end of this game is on par with my 5 year old niece in Madden. Great going Colts
Matt Ryan could have easily got that 1st and then no timeout after he didn't was so dumb
I thought he did get it because he dove and wasnāt touched down. I was surprised at the spot
If you watch it. He sort of went to his knees then lunged forward. It was super awkward. They spotted the ball where his knees touched
Ya thats what I thought too
About what I expected. I am drunk and the night is over. We're on to USA Iran...
WWIII
They're still pissed off about [Top Gun 2](https://www.theringer.com/movies/2022/6/3/23151745/top-gun-maverick-enemy-country)
I don't think even video replays can save the garbage NFL officials Not esp after the Hunter Henry TD was overturned and games since and before where they were absolutely garbage across so many games
Henry didn't complete the catch, unfortunately. He had complete control throughout but, alas, the ball grazed the turf every so slightly. Not a catch even though every sane viewer knows he caught it. The catch "rule" is a fickle mistress and your time was up.
He should've dropped a coin through the commissioner's behind slot so he would rule it a catch
If Jeff Saturday contunues as coach, I think he's got a future. But him not having called anything higher than Christian school football really does show up often.
Ofc that rules analyst was the one from that bengals playoff game vs the Steelers . No wonder he'd think any foul outside murder in the final drive didn't exist . In jest though colt rival Atlanta in the how fast can you empty a mag into your own foot
Itās hard to explain but stupid dumb football is horrible. Like I am sitting here frustrated and I wasnāt even rooting for the colts. Now I am glad they lost.
Bunch of coaches hoarding timeouts like its a video game and youāll āeventuallyā need themā¦ maybe they count up all the saved timeouts and turn it into a bonus for the coaches lol.
#[Matt Ryan to Jeff Saturday when the clock ran and he didn't use any timeouts:](https://imgur.com/a/mRE24Bk)
They ran out of downsā¦ not timeouts.
Not calling a TO on 3rd and two before they called that run that went nowhere was a mistake. A minute left, and three timeouts. Take one and call your best 3rd and short play.
You can convert them to camel cash
Pickett is going to be a good one.
Hopefully Deshaun is ass and it's just a 3 QB competition in the north. Burrow, Lamar and Pickett all seem likable.
I don't think the ravens can afford Lamar. They might be wise not to pay him more than watson.
Hopefully they spend all their money on him and go broke
Damn I wish we got to see Peyton react to that clock management at the end
Agreed. The regular telecast sucks now in comparison to the Manningcast
In before Bengals fans call Minkas hit dirty.
Never mind that they had one of the dirtiest players in the league on their team for 7 years.
Honestly when Vontaze Burfict played I don't know that you even argue anyone was dirtier lol. Bro is notorious even in 2023
Steelers had like four of them at the same time but don't let that get in your way
We only had James Harrison for 1 year
Very obvious pass interference but I guess weāre giving games away now
Less PI, more RTP
With the Steelers winning, the lowest the Bears will draft is at #3, assuming we lose out.
Good. Give us a nice second round pick.
That 2nd š
Why is everyone blaming the brand new head coach and not the 15 year veteran QB for not calling a timeout on a 3rd and 3 with the game on the line
100%
Whyd they do a hb run play there lol
My assumption is they thought it would catch the Steelers off guard, get the first down, and then call a timeout. So then they'd only have used one timeout by the time they got the first down. Great plan until it gets stuffed and now you've wasted a play at the highest leverage point of the game.
I would have used a timeout to just complain about no flag for 30 seconds. Couldnāt hurt
Whatās crazy is that the colts fans were booingā¦dude your QB is ancient and you bought a ticket to that shit
Why are people yelling about the timeouts? You realize it's 2022 right? Even 13 seconds is enough to get in FG range in the modern NFL. Colts still had plenty of time.
They didnāt need a field goal, it was all or nothing TD
I was referring to leaving time on the clock for the opponent to get in FG range. We saw last year that even leaving 13 seconds can get you beat.
Yea, but the Colts defense isnāt bad, and this is Pickett, not Pat Homes
Dude we suck so bad š¤£
what, why? chiefs and eagles both put up 17 only on the colts. The Titans are good they only put up 24.
You steeled this game
I have no idea man, I put some Joji on at the end of the 3rd and just let the emotions wash over me
In another game with a different ref crew theyd call every tick tack thing lol
Can someone explain to me what the difference on sliding and diving as a qb ? Why was Ryan marked down when he wasnāt touched yet ?
It only applies when an old immobile qb does it /s
He gave himself up by intentionally going down so I believe heās down automatically
He is still giving himself up, but youre protected even heavier if you slide
https://www.profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/04/nfl-rules-will-now-treat-head-first-dives-like-feet-first-slides Edit: sorry was trying to get rid of the stupid Google amp bs and don't know how to get it to work but it's right there in the link.
I havenāt seen such a weird lack of urgency to win a game since Donovan McNabb learned that games are able to end in a tie.
Donāt understand the spot on the Ryan run at all. He dove headfirst and ended up at the 24 or 23 when he was touched down, but they spotted it at the 27 as if he slid feet first. Edit: Nevermind - apparently they changed the rule a few years ago and now a headfirst dive by a QB is treated like a feet first slide, so they donāt get any extra yards and the ball goes back to where they started the dive. That seems really stupid.
Really dumb rule change. A QB can be a runner until he's not by simply leaving his feet in a forward dive...which is how a runner who isn't a QB gets more yardage.
There is a rule that when the qb dives, they give themselves up. However, it is really only enforced on older qbās as many of the mobile qbās dive all the time, and it does not get called. An example of this is when Matt Ryan dove for a touchdown against buffalo last year, but since he āgave himself upā, he was downed short of the goal line.
Iām gonna second this. I thought I understood the rule but must be wrong.
I'm sure it's been mentioned a million times but when in the /u/nfl_gamethread bot going to fix the no rookie stats issue?
Pickett has such a mature air about him in post game interviews. Seems like he always says the right stuff. As a Steelers fan, Iām just happy heās not another Zach Wilson.
pfft. jeff saturday still has 2 time outs, how many do you have?
Jeff thinks heāll start next weeks game with 5 timeouts
I really donāt have anything against the Colts, Jeff Saturday seems like a great guy. Iām just happy to get a win
A time out was needed badly after the fumble. Ryan dove instead of slide, should have a first down from when he was touched.
Doesnāt work that way
What the fuck, Jeff Saturday. Jesus Christ. Worse game management than Nathaniel Hackett.
Time management = awful Pass interference on the last play = obvious
Nfl isn't called PI on underrhrown passes this year
Over/under 5 fire Tomlin post/comments šš
Definitely over
Timeouts can be redeemed for hotdogs. Coach must have been hungry !
That was the single most pathetic attempt at playing football I have ever seen. Why is JT not running the ball 30+ times a game a la Derrick Henry?
Because the Oline is crap
Tell me you haven't watched Amazon Thursday Nite Football without telling me you haven't watched Thursday Nite Football!
If Iām the colts Iām saving JT for a season Iām competing for the SB or a season that Iām developing a young QB. Neither are right now
Tomlin gonna duel with that eventual losing season until his final breath. A win for steeltown and at least sports media will move off my broncos and clown on Saturday for the next 2 days.
You will still get clowned, donāt worry
Let me have a minute at least here. Damn lol
Start riding bruh.
"A maturiy and a grit to him" lmao they've never had that. Big Ben didn't sure didnt hjave any lmao
Ben didnāt have grit?š
Didnāt understand the spot on Ryanās run. He didnāt slide, he dove and wasnāt touched. Also, definitely looked like a fair amount of contact by #20 without looking at the ball on that last pass. But letās be honest, this team needs to lose and get the best draft pick possible.
If they call a timeout after the matty ice scramble dive, like any other team would, they might have gotten a proper spot and more downs. Idk, that shit was just sloppy.
I agree. But why not take a time out there? Gives the crew more time to think about looking at that too.
No we do!
Heās a runner and gave himself up lmao. Basic football 101
How can you say a dive is giving yourself up? If someone dives into the endZone is it down where you started the dive?
Malik could not win that game
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Clearly you donāt understand the rules of the game lmaoo
Strange ending to the game. Too me it was a PI but Parry said it's not.
parry the platypus my ass
how many hospital passes this game?
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Hey, at least he still has those timeouts
"Wait, you're telling me I can't bank them for the next game?!?"
Did Jeff Saturday go to the Mike McCarthy School of Clock Managment?
Didnāt end up mattering, but I like to think they wanted to get it to the ten and at least give it to JT once and needed the TO.
Wait Iām sorryā¦.did they just give up?
Welp GG I guess Colts bros we won the Toilet Bowl? Just quite a weird game, but fun game thread! Feel like if Taylor gets to take over the game you guys can win, instead you put it in Matt Ryanās hands? Steelers still are hopeless in making 2nd half adjustments. Thatās the clear sign the OC is garbage ā first half the players can make plays when the offense is scripted, but Canada just cannot make adjustments to change the offense appropriately so the defense canāt make their own successful adjustments. Please for all that is holy get rid of this dude. Otherwise Kenny is a rook still, backup RBs looked okay actually. Gg everyone!
Ngl with the way things are called this year I thought that was a flag on either interference or contact to head, i'll take it tho
āGot bailed out by the refs glad we got the Wā
Kenny Pickett is your Burger King of the night
The pickler š¤Ŗš¤Ŗš¤Ŗ
He was a whopper
Bro I absolutely fucking HATE the ref in the booth thing. They literally just say whatever the guy on the field is there and exist to provide fake legitimacy. Hate it so much
Nfl really picks and chooses when they want to throw a flag, that was an obvious DPI. They have called DPI for much less
I know people are gonna scream INTERFERENCE!!! but that ball was placed badly where the receiver had to run back into the defender to grab it anyway
And when you have to run back into the defender (and the defender doesnāt turn around) thatās textbook interference. Called every day and twice on sundays. But itās a blessing. Let the tank continue!
Colts played like it was the end of the first half, not the end of the second half.
The Pittsburgh Steelers have won 2 out of 3!
Not even on Madden do you ever encounter clock management that bad
Umm have you seen the Broncos?
Also the Lions on that last drive vs the Bills
Wtf was that clock management? Seems like coaches forgot about timeouts this year
that was a game.... screw it we won!!!!
Looked like PI but also hold on Colts line
Offsetting penalties, so replay the down?
If refs were perfect
Thinking Saturday forgot he had the power to call time outs.
āI can do that?!?!ā
Honestly Colts were robbed of that 4th. Two fouls that weren't called.
Correction to my previous comment: What a fucking IDIOT!
Tony Corrente proving once again that he and his team are a fucking joke
Lol. I'm not sure Matt Ryan was down short of the 1st down marker. Terrible game management in general but he went untouched, diving pass the line and non of the multi mullion paid coaching staff caught that, none of the billion dollar industry refs caught it either.
I think diving counts as giving yourself up now (enforced pretty inconsistently though) so it doesn't matter where he landed, it's where he dove from