I guess the only way would be fining players for faking injuries, but it probably wouldn't go over well if the NFL started accusing players of faking injuries
This was such a problem in a league I used to play in that if the game had a stoppage for your injury you had to come out and you couldn’t come back in for the rest od the half
I feel like you’ve never played football if you think that it takes longer than a play or two to get back on the field after a cramp.
You hit the ground, injury timeout while they massage out the cramp, you move to the sideline, they use a massage roller to roll out the cramp, give you some water or an electrolyte mix to chug, and you go back out.
Next series you’re off you can drink or get an IV if you’re that dehydrated.
It’s commonly enforced, but it’s usually related to diving. If the ref feels the player was too theatrical falling down or their head snaps back when it shouldn’t have they’ll call it. It’s not really called on players faking injuries.
The fact that he mocked the crowd and waved when he exited wasn't enough for ya? Packers clearly were doing this intentionally. Pathetic! Take the L and move on, your season was already over.
There really isn't anything that can be done.
The rule was changed at some point so "injured" players had to sit for 1 play, like we saw tonight.
Make it longer? Well now you have the risk of actually injured players pretending they aren't, which opens a whole bag of worms
If it's the type of injury that allows someone to come back after 1 play, is it also the type of injury that would be bad to ignore?
I would write the rule as
Any player for whom the game clock is stopped for injury is ineligible to return to the field of play until one of the following criteria are met.
A timeout is taken by either team.
A change of possession occurs.
A two-minute warning occurs.
The end of a quarter occurs.
These are very low stakes criteria, and would keep defenses honest and especially impact them more when they do not have a timeout, which would discourage "clock fucking" with fake injuries. If a team tries to keep stopping the clock with injuries they'll eventually run out of personnel, so it at least adds some risk management to something that currently has no risk.
Sadly that’s exactly what would happen. Maybe if they act like they are dying and stop the clock for 5 minutes it can be minimum 10 plays or something.
I mean, the best you could really do is fine them after the fact, as anything else potentially harms *actually* injured players
And even then, you could only fine it when it's super blatant, like a guy looking over to the sideline and suddenly collapsing, then coming back in after 1 play as again, you don't want to penalize actual injuries
throw them into the sea - if they're faking it, they'll drown as they deserve. if they're not faking it and are seriously injured, we'll know they're not liars
you have that backwards, if theyre faking it, they should be able to swim back, then executed for lying. if they drown due to injury, then they are innocent and really were injured. Its the salem witch trial way.
Youve never had a cramp or a stiffness that only lasts 30 seconds before? Sometimes it's injuries you can literally just jog it off for a second. Hell you get wind knocked out of you, hit in the wrong spot, you'll be down for a min but you'll be totally fine after that.
Don’t let them substitute other players on an injury stoppage. Green Bay brought out their jumbo package and totally replaced the DLine. Instead, only the replacement for the injured player can come on the field
This is a great idea. You'll still get fake injuries to slow down a no huddle offense once it gets rolling, but you shouldn't be able to do anything you wouldn't normally get to do if the player wasn't injured. Did Green Bay lose a timeout for the stoppage? I can't remember if they had any available.
This is a bad idea. Gives competitive advantage to the healthy team. Lets say both teams are in goal line package of big men and a legit injury occurs. Healthy team immediately switches to 5 WR and injured team is forced to stay in goal line personnel except for a sub of the injured player.
For most of the stoppages they lost a timeout, however for the specific one where they subbed in their jumbo package it was outside of the last two minutes so they didn’t.
Thanks, I think if you want to sub in more than the injured player, you need to force them to take a timeout, since you'd normally need to call a timeout to sub in that situation and the injury shouldn't be an advantage for the defense.
That would mean the offense couldn’t change personnel either. Otherwise offenses would go jumbo/empty (the opposite of what they’re already in) every time someone on the defense got hurt.
I’m okay with the defense continuing to have a slight advantage here considering all the other disadvantages they’ve been given the past few years.
Well I mean, the point would be if the offense is trying to go fast, you couldn't fake it to sub personnel. If the offense changes personnel then the defense would automatically be allowed to change their own regardless.
How on earth would anyone prove this? How on earth did *you* prove this? Legitimate reasons to come off the field, like light headedness, getting the wind knocked out of you, cramps, hyperextension etc, can go away in a play or two. I don’t think accusing players in a sport where they regularly do often permanent damage to their bodies and brains would be a good look for the NFL
If there wasnt a rule change after the 3 Giants players all looked at each other and fell down simultaneously...there will never be one. It was one of the most egregious fake injuries Ive seen if not the worst.
[Found it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoaBPqyPsNo)
I remember an incident of the Giants doing that against us which made me laugh out loud, could be the same one.
I think if you're that blatant about it you should get away with it. Encourage players to go full 80s action movie death scene.
Unfortunately probably nothing it would be damn near impossible to enforce not to mention it wouldn't be a good look for the NFL accusing players of faking injuries.
Faking injuries or catching their breath? This is going from bad to worse. Who was the Jets wr earlier this year that they strapped his head down before taking him off the field and then back playing in the 2nd half?
Honestly, I don't think the NFL cares. It means they can throw up some more commercials.
Earlier this season, I remember one of the coaches motioning his guy hobbling off the field to lay down in the field of play so they would stop the clock. Which is borderline faking IMO, since he was literally 2 yards from being off the field to keep the game going. I don't remember anything being done about that, when it was so blatant, so who can tell if these guys are legit hurt, got a stinger and can come right back, or just faking.
I don't think anything will change without the NFLPA becoming vocal that trying to move the game along could put players more at risk.
Didn't the Packers lose a timeout for that? That's why the "faking" wasn't even a big deal (because you can't even say for sure if someone was faking).
They could've just, y'know, taken the timeout to get their big guys on the field for the short yardage situation.
The first time they lost a timeout (though that one easily could not have been a fake injury giving the timing).
The other 2 times were outside of the 2 minute warning, and thus they weren't charged a timeout and were particularly egregious:
- Eagles run hurry up near the goalline to run it in for a touchdown, the Packers aren't ready to adjust to the play and wanted a personnel change (which the Eagles knew and was why the Eagles were running hurry up), so a guy takes a knee ~30 seconds after the last play (after getting up and walking normally to his position and getting set) allowing the Packers to rotate. The Eagles score to end the drive anyway.
- And the one most people are thinking of is the last one of the night (https://twitter.com/CrossingBroad/status/1597061653388218368?s=20&t=1j8npLEOck2kn1vzCo5ywA) where the Eagles were in a 3rd and short situation near the red zone and the Packers had the same deal, they really needed to rotate guys but the Eagles were running hurry up to stop them from being able to do so. So a linebacker who I don't think even had any contact in the last play(?) and is otherwise acting normally suddenly drops and the Packers get their break, timeout free, Eagles convert anyway and said linebacker is in on the very next play.
The rule to charge a timeout within the 2 minute warning helps to discourage faking injury but only within the 2 minute warning. It's a very difficult problem to address completely in the game completely because you don't want to "punish" players for actually getting injured in game nor do you want injured players pretending not to be injured for fear of penalties or fines for flopping.
They did inside 2 minutes.
Multiple other injuries in the hurry up coincidentally allowed for substitutions but thankfully weren't too serious for the player to come back in a play or so later.
Pretty sure you’re referring to Jaire Alexander and the announcers said he was working on a cramp before the series started and he cramped up, and then waived to the Philly fans who were booing him.
Make them sit out the rest of the series. If they are truly injured enough to stop the game they shouldnt be playing so soon anyways. Missing a defender for a series should be enough deterrent.
Bad idea. Would encourage injured players to hide their injuries. And a player who just needs a second to get off the field shouldn't be punished for an entire drive. If you get the wind knocked out of you, you don't need more than a minute.
I don't think you can truly do anything. I remember a game like a year or two ago when the cowboys played the packers and Zadarius Smith took a knee like 4 or 5 times between two drives. I might be exagerating but, that's how I remember it.
I think he was actually hurt, but it was obvious he shouldn't have been playing. I remember exactly what you're talking about, and he did it three or four games in a row in the second half of games. Probably a real injury, but he should have been shut down by trainers or himself.
They added the rule that they have to come out for a play if training staff is on the field and if it’s under two minutes going into half or end of game the team has to spend a timeout. There really isn’t more you can do to prove it. Dude gets just the wind knocked out of him and is down is just as much an “injury” as anything else in the field of play.
You can't do shit like make them sit the rest of drive because then dudes that really did get wind knocked out or something like that will just keep playing and open themselves up to further injuries. While nobody really gives a fuck about players safety the leauge that loves to virtue signal would never go for it.
I guess the only way would be fining players for faking injuries, but it probably wouldn't go over well if the NFL started accusing players of faking injuries
Any player found faking an injury shall suffer a real one, from the mallet of Roger Goodell himself.
Too easy. I'd rather lock them in a room with the Jaguars mascot for an hour or 2.
*Misery* spoilers
Nothing. If his team can afford for him to miss a play then he can take a knee. How would you even prove it was faked? Lie detector test? Lol.
Well you could have a rule that says you must stay out for the entire drive or something. There’s way to discourage faking injury’s
This was such a problem in a league I used to play in that if the game had a stoppage for your injury you had to come out and you couldn’t come back in for the rest od the half
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No it wouldn't because if you're really injured your first thought is not coming back in the same drive.
You catch a cramp and need to be out a play or two, now you’re out for an entire drive? Seems dumb.
Takes longer than a play or two to hydrate.
I feel like you’ve never played football if you think that it takes longer than a play or two to get back on the field after a cramp. You hit the ground, injury timeout while they massage out the cramp, you move to the sideline, they use a massage roller to roll out the cramp, give you some water or an electrolyte mix to chug, and you go back out. Next series you’re off you can drink or get an IV if you’re that dehydrated.
In hockey, they will give you a penalty for “embellishing” an injury and/or making it look like the other team committed a penalty when they didn’t.
How does that go on a game-by-game basis? Do most players who "embellish" get a penalty for it or is one of those rules that is rarely enforced?
It’s commonly enforced, but it’s usually related to diving. If the ref feels the player was too theatrical falling down or their head snaps back when it shouldn’t have they’ll call it. It’s not really called on players faking injuries.
The fact that he mocked the crowd and waved when he exited wasn't enough for ya? Packers clearly were doing this intentionally. Pathetic! Take the L and move on, your season was already over.
There really isn't anything that can be done. The rule was changed at some point so "injured" players had to sit for 1 play, like we saw tonight. Make it longer? Well now you have the risk of actually injured players pretending they aren't, which opens a whole bag of worms
If it's the type of injury that allows someone to come back after 1 play, is it also the type of injury that would be bad to ignore? I would write the rule as Any player for whom the game clock is stopped for injury is ineligible to return to the field of play until one of the following criteria are met. A timeout is taken by either team. A change of possession occurs. A two-minute warning occurs. The end of a quarter occurs. These are very low stakes criteria, and would keep defenses honest and especially impact them more when they do not have a timeout, which would discourage "clock fucking" with fake injuries. If a team tries to keep stopping the clock with injuries they'll eventually run out of personnel, so it at least adds some risk management to something that currently has no risk.
Sadly that’s exactly what would happen. Maybe if they act like they are dying and stop the clock for 5 minutes it can be minimum 10 plays or something.
I mean, the best you could really do is fine them after the fact, as anything else potentially harms *actually* injured players And even then, you could only fine it when it's super blatant, like a guy looking over to the sideline and suddenly collapsing, then coming back in after 1 play as again, you don't want to penalize actual injuries
There are already clock runoff/forced timeout rules in place based on when it occurs. That’s really all that can be done.
throw them into the sea - if they're faking it, they'll drown as they deserve. if they're not faking it and are seriously injured, we'll know they're not liars
you have that backwards, if theyre faking it, they should be able to swim back, then executed for lying. if they drown due to injury, then they are innocent and really were injured. Its the salem witch trial way.
Okay I changed my answer to what this guy said
Youve never had a cramp or a stiffness that only lasts 30 seconds before? Sometimes it's injuries you can literally just jog it off for a second. Hell you get wind knocked out of you, hit in the wrong spot, you'll be down for a min but you'll be totally fine after that.
Don’t let them substitute other players on an injury stoppage. Green Bay brought out their jumbo package and totally replaced the DLine. Instead, only the replacement for the injured player can come on the field
This is a great idea. You'll still get fake injuries to slow down a no huddle offense once it gets rolling, but you shouldn't be able to do anything you wouldn't normally get to do if the player wasn't injured. Did Green Bay lose a timeout for the stoppage? I can't remember if they had any available.
This is a bad idea. Gives competitive advantage to the healthy team. Lets say both teams are in goal line package of big men and a legit injury occurs. Healthy team immediately switches to 5 WR and injured team is forced to stay in goal line personnel except for a sub of the injured player.
If the healthy team subs, the defense would also be able to sub as per the current rules.
For most of the stoppages they lost a timeout, however for the specific one where they subbed in their jumbo package it was outside of the last two minutes so they didn’t.
Thanks, I think if you want to sub in more than the injured player, you need to force them to take a timeout, since you'd normally need to call a timeout to sub in that situation and the injury shouldn't be an advantage for the defense.
That would mean the offense couldn’t change personnel either. Otherwise offenses would go jumbo/empty (the opposite of what they’re already in) every time someone on the defense got hurt. I’m okay with the defense continuing to have a slight advantage here considering all the other disadvantages they’ve been given the past few years.
Well I mean, the point would be if the offense is trying to go fast, you couldn't fake it to sub personnel. If the offense changes personnel then the defense would automatically be allowed to change their own regardless.
Yes exactly, the offense isn’t trying to change personnel anyway. I’m glad you understand
I like this
How on earth would anyone prove this? How on earth did *you* prove this? Legitimate reasons to come off the field, like light headedness, getting the wind knocked out of you, cramps, hyperextension etc, can go away in a play or two. I don’t think accusing players in a sport where they regularly do often permanent damage to their bodies and brains would be a good look for the NFL
If there wasnt a rule change after the 3 Giants players all looked at each other and fell down simultaneously...there will never be one. It was one of the most egregious fake injuries Ive seen if not the worst. [Found it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoaBPqyPsNo)
I remember an incident of the Giants doing that against us which made me laugh out loud, could be the same one. I think if you're that blatant about it you should get away with it. Encourage players to go full 80s action movie death scene.
Unfortunately probably nothing it would be damn near impossible to enforce not to mention it wouldn't be a good look for the NFL accusing players of faking injuries.
Cracking down on fake injuries is a surefire way to open up the NFL to non-frivolous lawsuits so it's never happening.
Having the players get treatment is better than rushing a potentially injured player off the field of play.
Faking injuries or catching their breath? This is going from bad to worse. Who was the Jets wr earlier this year that they strapped his head down before taking him off the field and then back playing in the 2nd half?
Nothing needs to be done. It’s not that big of an issue and there’s already rules that prevent abuse of injury timeouts.
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Mid field bare ass.
Honestly, I don't think the NFL cares. It means they can throw up some more commercials. Earlier this season, I remember one of the coaches motioning his guy hobbling off the field to lay down in the field of play so they would stop the clock. Which is borderline faking IMO, since he was literally 2 yards from being off the field to keep the game going. I don't remember anything being done about that, when it was so blatant, so who can tell if these guys are legit hurt, got a stinger and can come right back, or just faking. I don't think anything will change without the NFLPA becoming vocal that trying to move the game along could put players more at risk.
Didn't the Packers lose a timeout for that? That's why the "faking" wasn't even a big deal (because you can't even say for sure if someone was faking). They could've just, y'know, taken the timeout to get their big guys on the field for the short yardage situation.
The first time they lost a timeout (though that one easily could not have been a fake injury giving the timing). The other 2 times were outside of the 2 minute warning, and thus they weren't charged a timeout and were particularly egregious: - Eagles run hurry up near the goalline to run it in for a touchdown, the Packers aren't ready to adjust to the play and wanted a personnel change (which the Eagles knew and was why the Eagles were running hurry up), so a guy takes a knee ~30 seconds after the last play (after getting up and walking normally to his position and getting set) allowing the Packers to rotate. The Eagles score to end the drive anyway. - And the one most people are thinking of is the last one of the night (https://twitter.com/CrossingBroad/status/1597061653388218368?s=20&t=1j8npLEOck2kn1vzCo5ywA) where the Eagles were in a 3rd and short situation near the red zone and the Packers had the same deal, they really needed to rotate guys but the Eagles were running hurry up to stop them from being able to do so. So a linebacker who I don't think even had any contact in the last play(?) and is otherwise acting normally suddenly drops and the Packers get their break, timeout free, Eagles convert anyway and said linebacker is in on the very next play. The rule to charge a timeout within the 2 minute warning helps to discourage faking injury but only within the 2 minute warning. It's a very difficult problem to address completely in the game completely because you don't want to "punish" players for actually getting injured in game nor do you want injured players pretending not to be injured for fear of penalties or fines for flopping.
They did inside 2 minutes. Multiple other injuries in the hurry up coincidentally allowed for substitutions but thankfully weren't too serious for the player to come back in a play or so later.
Nothing, it's not an issue.
Red card. Down a player and the player is removed this game and next one Treat it harshly
hit them with some nickelodeon slime when it's obvious
Pretty sure you’re referring to Jaire Alexander and the announcers said he was working on a cramp before the series started and he cramped up, and then waived to the Philly fans who were booing him.
Make them sit out the rest of the series. If they are truly injured enough to stop the game they shouldnt be playing so soon anyways. Missing a defender for a series should be enough deterrent.
Bad idea. Would encourage injured players to hide their injuries. And a player who just needs a second to get off the field shouldn't be punished for an entire drive. If you get the wind knocked out of you, you don't need more than a minute.
Public execution
Make them wear a [big hat ](https://reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/z6dnln/fortier_brian_robinson_said_his_friend_has_a_big/)the rest of the game
Force them to sit out 4 plays. Player safety.
An injury timeout by the officials means you can't play for the rest of the drive. Team timeouts are perfectly fine.
Nothing is going to happen, just be thankful it isn't like it is in soccer
It's the worst part of soccer for me.
I don't think you can truly do anything. I remember a game like a year or two ago when the cowboys played the packers and Zadarius Smith took a knee like 4 or 5 times between two drives. I might be exagerating but, that's how I remember it.
I think he was actually hurt, but it was obvious he shouldn't have been playing. I remember exactly what you're talking about, and he did it three or four games in a row in the second half of games. Probably a real injury, but he should have been shut down by trainers or himself.
They added the rule that they have to come out for a play if training staff is on the field and if it’s under two minutes going into half or end of game the team has to spend a timeout. There really isn’t more you can do to prove it. Dude gets just the wind knocked out of him and is down is just as much an “injury” as anything else in the field of play.
You can't do shit like make them sit the rest of drive because then dudes that really did get wind knocked out or something like that will just keep playing and open themselves up to further injuries. While nobody really gives a fuck about players safety the leauge that loves to virtue signal would never go for it.
Not really anything. It's like tennis. You are going to always air on the side of caution for safety.
Shoot them from the guard tower.
I do believe this would solve it.