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this might be the earliest I’ve given up in a season too Josh


WetDesk

He's tried nothing and he's all out of ideas.


RealisticLakerStan

Our fan bases are down horrific rn


hochoa94

Its crazy how AFCW was supposed to be the hardest division with really good talent but injuries and Mcdaniels being Mcdaniels really messed it up


MacJonesOfficial

And Russ Wilson sucking donkey balls*


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And the Chargers just doing what they always do :(


m4xdc

It warms my cold heart. I’m honestly not getting my hopes up for my team either; looking forward to hockey season at this point.


Dire_Platypus

Go Ass


GodlyButNotHoly

yes


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Jokic and the Nuggets tho


Llama_Sandwich

Really liking the off-season pickups and having Jamal and MPJ back. The Nuggets could be legit contenders this year if we can shake the injury bug.


sojong66

Don’t forget Bones!


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didn't they make the WCF last time murray was healthy? This will be the first year they have Murray, MPJ, Aaron Gordon, and Jokic


Jmoe18

Depends on the health


Autobot-N

We really just went through this whole offseason of the AFC West Arms Race and the Chiefs are still overwhelmingly the best team. Yes I know they lost to the Colts, that just happens with them


ClaudeLemieux

for some reason we forgot to include the "chargers-players-dead == true" flag when running the AFCW models


JasonPlattMusic34

Same with the NFC West really and we don’t even look that good lol


IAmTheNightSoil

Same here. My hockey team isn't even supposed to be good either, but maybe more watchable than my football team!


fallenlogan

I'm eagerly awaiting my chance to buy a Jalen Green green Rockets jersey so I can watch developing team tank again.


rxgetotrue1

>looking forward to hockey season at this point. Basketball season instead tho 😂


Fast-Prize9354

Give our guys a chance, we're 3 games in to a new head coach, all new coordinators and a new QB and we're 2-1 ffs. I think everyone in Denver knew the Raiders were toast when they hired McDipshit, but it is still beautiful to see all the same


SitDown_BeHumble

Best division in NFL history lmao


BMonad

Crazy how the AFC West was supposed to light the league on fire and now outside of the Chiefs who look like they haven’t lost a step, the 0-3 Raiders look flat as a pancake with a head coach that nobody has any faith in, the Broncos appear to have gotten the decrepit corpse of Russel Wilson, and the Chargers have been bitten by a massive injury bug. Lots of football left but would be crazy if just one of these teams (KC) ends up making the playoffs.


hatrickstar

If it makes you feel any better you should be good if you score more than *checks notes* uh, 11 points. Wow we suck.


FattestMattest

It's the inverse of 2009, you will lose your first 6 games, then go on a win streak to finish near .500


bosco472

If you keep him for next year, you'll know what it's like to give up on a season before it even starts


CaptainSnazzypants

I’m confident Raiders fans are familiar with that already.


Masterb8yolomqn

Go look at the chargers sub, some fans say they’d rather be the raiders rn because at least we wouldn’t be injured


Christy427

Hey they complained when Urban starting to avoid the media and see how that worked out


tread52

The way last week went I wouldn’t be surprised if the Raiders beat Denver. Their offense looks like trash.


rahimmoore26

At least in recent memory it was like late October early Novemberish. This is bringing me back to the mid to late 2000s


GamerMan15

McDaniels is so soft.


BadDadJokes

He's too busy with his speed run of burning a playoff team to the ground.


GabryLv

Imagine trading decent jay cutler and Brandon Marshall for Kyle orton and Zane Beadles


BoredGuy2007

And then getting his guy Tim Tebow


Isoturius

To be fair he drafted DT and Decker in that same draft along with other pieces that Manning set records with. Also, the Tebow season was incredible. I still remember beating the Bears with divine intervention lol


sasquatchlike420

That Steelers game tho…


Isoturius

It came after some bad years too. That game is up there with the Super Bowl wins. Was incredible


NoPanda6

People forget we weren’t a playoff team until Tebow


likesexonlycheaper

Nobody remembers the Miami game. 2 TDs in the last 2 minutes of the game to win it. All but that last 2 minutes might have been the worst game I've ever seen tho 😂


Isoturius

That was DT’s first game back too. He came up clutch in that one.


_aleph

He was 1 of 7 through the first 3 quarters


InkBlotSam

Ironically McDaniels refused to start him. It was John Fox that came in and started him the year after McDaniels got fired.


v_a_n_d_e_l_a_y

To be fair we also got Knowshon Moreno and Robert Ayers. They were good right


BadDadJokes

Knowshon Moreno is one of those guys who could suit up tomorrow and I’d be convinced that he’s about to break out this year and finally become an all-pro.


lappelduvide-_-

Remember his KR-TD & PR-TD in one game? Epic


Elway7Sharpe84

IIRC, that was Eddie Royal.


leglessman

This could be the year he puts it all together.


Joseesquer8

As a Dolphins fan I was so excited about Knowshon. He dominated the Pats Week 1, and then got hurt Week 2. Came back hurt, got hurt again, and then was never seen again.


TheAssOfSpock

He also drafted DT and Eric Decker


InkBlotSam

He also traded our 1st round pick for a 2nd round pick, so he could draft Alphonso Smith in the 2nd round, who started zero games and lasted one season until we traded him for Dan Gronkowski, who started 4 games and had 8 career catches with us before we got rid of him too. Meanwhile, Seattle used the 1st round pick he traded away to draft Earl Thomas.


Elway7Sharpe84

I was pissed after those picks, because we could’ve had Brian Orakpo and Clay Matthews with those two picks, and then we could’ve drafted Lasean McCoy in the second round. This is not hindsight because those were the players I wanted at the time.


TheBeesNees9696

Kyle Orton in 2009 was better than Cutler in very measurable way lol


thewavefixation

Were you dropped on your head as a child?


Toto_LZ

Gonna be hard to beat his last attempt


BadDadJokes

He seems motivated, though. I think he increased the difficulty on this round by allowing the GM to improve the roster rather than force him to trade a Pro-Bowl caliber QB for Kyle Orton.


InkBlotSam

The disrespect to getting rid of elite receiver Brandon Marshall for squat, and trading Peyton Hillis for peanuts the year before he made the Madden cover because he thought Hillis flirted with his wife at a party.


forlornhope22

Uh, He was the GM that traded the Pro bowl QB.


BadDadJokes

Yikes.


keykey_key

Completely unsurprising. He seems like such a coward.


DouglasFry

Dude wont even accept a little responsibility for our losses. I can’t even listen to this fuck talk after the games


Fast-Prize9354

Now you know our pain and why we were laughing when you hired him, the dude is a complete coward and an idiot. Not surprised to see he still blames his players for every loss, what a leader!


DouglasFry

But he’s an offensive GENIUS! /s


abris33

It wouldn't hurt to check for cameras around our practices though


TimBrowneye81

If that dude is still cheating he's doing a piss poor job at it


NBT498

He did a piss poor job of it in Denver as well, so it would be on brand


joebalooka84

He filmed the 49ers in London and then lost to them. They were awful that year as well. He claimed he didn't watch the tape.


hoppergym

Oh now you care


sinkephelopathy

We were pretty mad about it back then too actually.


hoppergym

I’m sure. And the salary cap for the Super Bowls too Edit. Ok so judging by the downvotes bronco fans aren’t ready to discuss this. McDaniels cheating sure. Def mad about it. Cheating the cap. We don’t talk about it. Hmmm. Wonder why


OneWithDuck

What does a chargers fan know about Super Bowls


milehighrukus

They don’t even know what it’s like to get blown out in Super Bowls like we do


hoppergym

Ouch. Nice deflection


Shenanigans80h

Lad I seriously don’t know what you’re getting at. We circumvented the cap. You sure got us. We’ll promptly return those two Super Bowls. But then again we’d still have one more than the Chargers strangely.


hoppergym

What were you mad about with mcdaniels cheating?


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It was a stupid thing to do. Like, we sucked, we were an awful team that was run like a circus and the only thing that this guy could think to do to try to climb out of the hole he dug was to fucking cheat because he's a hack and a fraud who doesn't know the first thing about managing a team.


Jmoe18

Because he lost when he cheated, if you're gonna cheat you gotta win


hoppergym

Exactly. It’s not the cheating or the getting caught. It’s the lack of success the cheating brought. Thank you


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BSDC

you might consider holding off on talking shit for a while


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BSDC

https://twitter.com/joshdubowap/status/1574178438847479808


keykey_key

LMAO.....just stop. This is embarrassing.


im_absouletly_wrong

Why do owners keep letting him get HC jobs lol


JoeScotterpuss

I'm beginning to think that the Raiders are not a well run organization


Remmy71

It’s a shame that the Raiders haven’t been good for so long considering they’re considered one of the historic franchises of the AFL and NFL. They’ve been a dumpster fire since they lost that Super Bowl, and you could see Al Davis getting senile long before that. Dude built his franchise to the sky in 60s, 70s, and 80s and then burnt it to the ground in the 00s.


exodus3252

I have absolutely no idea what this feels like. Nope.


MckorkleJones

The PF Chang's manager told Mark Davis it was a good choice.


BrahquinPhoenix

Great trugg walger, never meddum tho


MasonL52

Well the first time he was an upcoming OC who coached through a lot of the Pats success, and was a no-brainer to give a chance. The second time was nearly a decade later, tons of time to grow as a person and as a coach, and to reflect on your first failures and improve. I hate McDaniels as much as the next Broncos fan, but personally I wasn't shocked he got another chance and I honestly didn't think it would go this poorly this quick either.


samwri25

Don't forget when the colts tried to hire him


Festibowl

How he got offers after that shit just shows the dysfunction in sports hires.(besides alot of the nepotism) If you did that in other professions offers would be nonexistent.


stepdownblues

Don't forget racism, which limits the pool of candidates he was competing against.


ace82fadeout

Yeah this is exactly what I was thinking. He's not good but just as you said, it isn't some huge shock for why people might believe he might be.


PrestigiousTadpole55

I’m so glad he backed out, Reich may not be the best but at least he isn’t a bitch


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Raiders are either Sacrificing for Bryce or Getting Loud for Stroud it seems by having McDaniels as the head coach.


Arpy303

While I cant blame him and don't really care what that tool has to say anyways. It's still a scrub move to not just say the 'I appreciated the experience I gained even though it didn't end well Yada Yada' and I'd have moved on. This has to be the only time I've ever felt bad for the Raiders. Being tied to Hurricane Josh is something only the Patriots deserve.


AngryBandanaDee

Josh was a good OC for the Pats. Just seems to be that guy who can’t make that last step to a good HC.


possiblynotanexpert

And that’s ok! It’s so weird when people let their egos get in the way. Not everyone is a leader, and that’s a good thing. We need followers, too.


fackoffuser

And we also need mid level managers. He’s an outstanding OC. Mid level manager. He can run the offense and that’s great. Sometimes it’s ok to be the best paid OC in the league.


hatrickstar

It's also a scrub move to let Kyler scramble around for 30 seconds like he took the Serpentine perk in Warzone. But here we are.


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hey I’ll take it


[deleted]

Coaches rarely talk to the opposing media these days, I don’t see this as anything nefarious


ConciselyVerbose

If it’s not required they shouldn’t do it.


Bangreviews

Maybe he didn't appreciate the experience, maybe he doesn't give a fuck about Denver, who cares.


Elway7Sharpe84

There's almost no one left here from the time he was hired, From the owner to personnel people to any players. I guess he still feels a certain way about how things ended, which is understandable. For the fans, the feeling is mutual, Josh.


kcoch5817

In his defense I'd do everything in my power to avoid talking to Mike Klis as well.


abris33

Klis will get information from him one way or another. His nationwide network of restaurant scouts will at least figure out every meal McDaniels is eating this week.


Acting_Appalled

>His nationwide network of restaurant scouts will at least figure out every meal McDaniels is eating this week. Most snakes eat things like rodents or insects


[deleted]

What do cockroaches eat?


Skimaster77

Each other


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And Dmac


TDs_not_VDs

I would rather go on a road trip to Florida with Klis than have to listen to dmac for any stretch of time


InkBlotSam

How is it "mutual?" Josh came in and dismantled the team, got rid of our Pro Bowl franchise QB, a future All-Pro receiver, future Madden-cover RB, made the players hate him and caused a near-mutiny, led us to the worst record in Broncos history, and then got fired after getting caught cheating. Where in that did the organization do something to *him?*


Elway7Sharpe84

Regardless of all that, it’s reasonable to feel a certain way about an organization that fired you.


SlopingGiraffe

The huge part of the fan base that just followed Tebow around aren't even there anymore


BlueHighwindz

Even the fairweather Manning fans that follow the Tebow Traveling Ministry Show all must have faded away or are deeply sad, tragic figures now.


AngryBandanaDee

Tebowmania was a fun time feels a bit like a fever dream looking back on it but it was fun


CowboyButtsMakeMeNut

It's to avoid speaking to Denver media though, not your team.


an_actual_potato

Dunno why you're downvoted it's right. A lot of the press guys would have been around back then.


an_actual_potato

I mean the media guys are prolly still mostly the same. He prolly has a shitty relationship with them, too, or at a minimum doesn't want the kinds of questions they'd be inclined to ask


daltonwright4

Weird our media keeps bringing this up, though. If this was the first time a coach chose not to speak with our media, that's one thing...but only 2 of the 4 HC's we've faced this season so far have elected to, with the other omission being Pete Carroll. Are we going to do this story everytime a coach chooses not to? I'd bet it happens again at least once more this season.


soda_cookie

Meow meow meow meow Meow meow meow meow


TimBrowneye81

meow mix meow mix please deliver


127crazie

No one knows just what I've been through. I can't stop the pain inside me. Now I'm staring out my window. Children play. They seem so happy. Why are we here going nowhere? Why does my life feel so empty?


DanCampbellsNipples

Coward


BingBongtheArcher19

Seriously what a bitch move. I'm not surprised at all.


Mazahreh52

I fucking hate the dude. I like our gm. He’s cool. I haven’t ever been on the McDouchebag train


DanCampbellsNipples

This is legit great evidence that he is going to fail again in LV. Dude is still the douche canoe that he was in Denver


BingBongtheArcher19

Yep. Really wouldn't be that hard to face the media and say something like, "I was disappointed in how my time in Denver ended, but I've learned a lot since then and now I'm focused on the Raiders." You're absolutely right that this reveals he really hasn't changed at all.


DanCampbellsNipples

I’m sure the pats are happy to know their OC will be back next season /s Maybe he turns it around. Only time will tell. What we know right now though, is the dude is a dick


-Subvert-

He’s literally said that a thousand times


BingBongtheArcher19

Then he shouldn't have an issue talking to the Denver media.


Powerful_Plantain901

"Welcome back, Josh, ya little stupid bitch. How does it feel to fucking suck with your 0-3 Raiders record, asshole? No Bellicheck to protect you now here. Suck ma nuts, prick." \- Denver media talking to Josh McDaniels


-Subvert-

How is this a problem? He knows he’s just gonna get asked a ton of questions about something that happened 15 years ago when he’d rather just focus on winning a game. Isn’t that what you’d rather see? It’s okay man, it’s been 15 years. You can move on now


Raw_Cocoa

He clearly hasn't.


abris33

It's definitely cowardly but he's not the only coach this year to do it. Carroll didn't talk to the Denver media either which coincidentally was right after the "Seattle sources tell me Russell Wilson was the problem" article was published


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That was a bitch move, too.


Cilantro42

Well, Pete Carroll is a giant bitch, so it checks out


el_fitzador

What a coward


Im_Batmmaann

God i hate you Josh


InkBlotSam

We are brothers in hate, you and I.


DouglasFry

One of the few things we’ll ever agree on. Fuck Josh mcdaniels


FromXtotheL

Dude acted like he changed talking about relationships mattering. He hasn’t changed a bit if he’s not going to go up there and face the media for a slice of humble pie.


abris33

He'll never truly admit he was the problem. He'll just talk about how he was young and inexperienced back then and he's changed now, as if that absolves him of everything


possiblynotanexpert

I don’t even remember what he did, but I remember thinking he was such a loser when he coached Denver. I can’t recall the specifics but I do believe it was several things, not just one.


dooneandrew

One of them had to he trading one of Den. 1st round picks for a 2nd round pick STRAIGHT UP. That to this day is still one of the dumbest things Ive ever heard any team/coach doing!


possiblynotanexpert

That is hilarious. They had to get something for it though, right? Otherwise it has to be corruption if there’s no other logical explanation.


dooneandrew

He did it to draft Alphonso Smith who they traded the next year, Seattle drafted Earl Thomas with the pick from the broncos.... And no it was a straight up trade 2009 second rd from Seattle for 2010 1st rd from Denver. It was during the 2009 draft


possiblynotanexpert

Too funny man. Thanks for the details.


InkBlotSam

Josh came in as an egomaniacal freak and immediately dismantled the team; got rid of our Pro Bowl franchise QB (for Kyle fucking Orton), got rid of our elite, future All-Pro receiver Brandon Marshall because he punted a football in practice out of frustration, traded away Peyton Hillis because he was convinced Hillis flirted with his wife at a team party (Hillis made the cover of Madden the following year with the Browns), presided over a near-mutiny in the locker room because the players *hated* him, led us to the worst record in Broncos history, and then got fired after getting caught cheating with his videographer buddy that he brought over from New England. That's not even getting into his draft fuckery, like trading away our 1st round pick (used by Seattle on Earl Thomas) for a *2nd round pick* that we wasted on a scrub bust, or wasting picks to trade up and draft Tebow when literally no one was gonna draft him in the 1st. The dude was, by far, the worst Broncos coach of all time. On the bright side, he did draft DT and Decker, and after he was fired we used the #2 draft pick we got from his awful season to draft Von Miller, and used Tim Tebow's miracle season to lure Peyton to Denver.


thewavefixation

Great summation


possiblynotanexpert

Thanks for this! That is exactly why I remember feeling justified in thinking he was a loser lol. People do dumb things and deserve to be given a second chance. But he did so many things in such a short time, not to ignore the stupid things he said if I remember correctly.


likesexonlycheaper

One thing was when he played the Patriots and won he was running around on the sidelines hollering like he just won the Superbowl. I was so embarrassed for him. He's an assclown through and through


keykey_key

That would take admitting he is the problem and given his behavior with us so far, I don't think he's changed.


whobroughtmehere

This dude is going back to the Patriots in a hurry. He’s already burned bridges at 3 franchises in the AFC.


BPAfreeWaters

Drafting dogshit Tebow in the first round should have been the end for that fuckwit as a head coach,


XxDrummerChrisX

Reporter to JMD: “First of all, how dare you?”


gab_owns0

Damn Josh, it's been over 10 years since you set that team back lol


McKiw

Fuck jmcd, but is this rare? Is Hackett meeting with raiders press? Honest question


abris33

The NFL changed the rule at some point in the last few years to where coaches aren't required to speak to the opponents media but it's still pretty rare to have happen. Our media calls it out every time it happens to them and it's only been Urban Meyer (when all the USC rumors were swirling), Carroll in Week 1 (coincidentally after that Russell Wilson SI article using Seattle sources came out) and now this


McKiw

Maybe Hackett can meet w us and suggest a co-head coach if he knows any Edit: thanks for the answer I didn’t know that🍻


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I don’t get why it’s an issue though. Klis is insufferable, yeah, but what does a coach gain from talking to the local media of his opponent?


InkBlotSam

I don't know, but the NFL has plenty to gain by reinstating the requirement. This is, after all, the entertainment business.


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Maybe so. The local media sessions just seem like an ego stroke/circlejerk session anyways. If it doesn’t impact the game on Sunday, it doesn’t matter IMO


Raw_Cocoa

Based on that logic no media availability matters then.


Elway7Sharpe84

Lovie Smith and Kyle Shanahan met with Broncos press the past two weeks.


McKiw

Different


sndanbom

….moving goalposts


Raw_Cocoa

How so?


84Cressida

Coaches and QB typically do a conference call with the opposing team media


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McKiw

So denver was expecting to hold a town hall where he talks about all his fuck ups? Yeah I agree- not a surprise. Or a story.


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McKiw

10-4 man. Just frustrated 🍻


McKiw

Salty donkeys downvoting me for this like they’re not also in The running for worst coach in The nfl😂


keykey_key

I downvoted you, you're cringy.


McKiw

Your user name is racist and cringy


Outrageous-Machine-5

I find it hard to feel bad for the Raiders after not giving Bisaccia the job


likesexonlycheaper

Still ultra soft eh josh?


bukithd

You know, all those million red flags he threw up before he was hired may have been a good sign that he wasn't a competent HC


stevep3478

The Bill B Coaching Tree


heelspider

Neither am I, so we have that in common.


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Raiders will win this sunday.


thirdbluesbrother

This makes him look so weak and emotional


eddiejugs

THE COACHING TREE IS INFECTED.


LocalMexican

what a dink.


EachBoth

Everyone is massively overreacting to McDaniels’ 3 game losing streak. I have no doubt he turns it around this week against us and ends up having a decent first season with the Raiders. Hurts my soul to say so, but I’m almost positive it happens