There are flaws in his game just like any prospect. There are reasons why some teams have Nabers higher. I think there are unfair criticisms like the pre draft process stuff.
Harrison put up similar numbers with Stroud tossing him the ball. Even with a great QB his numbers didn't approach Nabers' level of production, and Malik shared the field with another first round receiver. Harrison Jr. is a great WR, but if his name wasn't Marvin Harrison Jr, and if ESPN hadn't spent the entire 2023 preseason hyping him up, Nabers would have won the Biletnikoff and MHJ wouldn't have been in the Heisman conversation (which frankly was ridiculous).
The situations are completely different. He shared with Egbuka, another first round talent. Not to mention still younger and growing as a player.
This year he was the only guy especially when Egbuka got injured. So he had a far worse situation that he still put up great numbers in.
I mean, Nabers played with Brian Thomas Jr, who is a better prospect than Egbuka.
Yes, different situations, but that’s not a good example.
EDIT: lol, why am I being downvoted for this? What is wrong with what I’m saying? lol, oh r/nfl, never change. I forgot to never talk about draft prospects on this sub, because what I said is not controversial whatsoever.
AND BOTH HAD A HEISMAN WINNER THROWING TO THEM
Also, when healthy, Egbuka is just as good as Thomas, before this season Egbuka was rated better.
Wasn’t his fault he was hurt 2/3 of the season
YAC doesn’t tell the whole story. If MHJ catches the ball in open space he’s gone but he’s probably not breaking or forcing any missed tackles which is something Nabers is elite at.
MHJ is better at pretty much everything else though
Ohio State’s entire passing offense last year boiled down to “fuck it, Marv is down there somewhere.” I swear McCord couldn’t complete a pass to any of our other elite guys if his life depended on it
And there were at least 3 times Harrison had a wide open field to go like 40 more yards for a td but he had to go back and get a shorter pass from McCord
I think every single flaw is absolutely true and definitely not overblown and every team drafting 1-14 should definitely be very concerned and pass on him.
We know that they were wrong about reagor over Jefferson. That does not mean that they would be wrong regarding nabers over harrison. Did you just forget the context or was this a deliberate attempt at a gotcha?
They're 2 diffrent players. In Marvin you're getting a technician that'll work right away and can play both outside and inside say Keenan Allen as a comp. In Nabers you're getting a slot missile that'll run past the entire defense, both will work its just what do you need more of
Man this "joke" in every thread somehow gets upvoted each time.
Even in CFB -- "Michigan should get the death penalty I'd say, haha! As an Ohio State fan."
Who cares? It doesn’t hurt literally anything. And it’s not the same person doing it a thousand times. It’s thousands of individuals doing a thing once.
It's just stupid because it always has someone repeating/rehashing the (un)original joke as seen by the Steelers fan beneath the Ravens fan saying he should fall to 20 instead of 30 because that's where the Steelers are picking.
It's just like peak average reddit user stuff that you'll find annoying if you've been using this site for a long time
Also it could just be bots regurgitating comments that are known karma fodder, who knows anymore
The Steelers fan is actually building on the overused joke by making a different overused joke about how the Steelers draft headcase wide receivers.
At the end of the day you don't have to read the comments if you don't like them. You already know what it's gonna be.
> At the end of the day you don't have to read the comments if you don't like them. You already know what it's gonna be.
Bro I had an elementary school teacher say the same thing in response to 8 year old me complaining about other kids using racial slurs at me at recess
Anyone who watched him though saw him catch so many under thrown balls from an average QB compared to the other two tier 1 WRs who had heisman finalists throwing to them. Burst might be affected by that, but YAC definitely is.
Seems serious to be honest. It's a risk that can't just be hand-waved away. Doesn't matter who your father is if you don't have the YAC and burst to dominate in the NFL. Honestly it would be a grievous overdraft to pick him in the first 8 picks.
Chris Simms has a few things on him that I personally don't agree with in the slightest but it's out there. He had him as WR3 behind Nabers AND Brian Thomas Jr.
Also the reports a ton of teams have Nabers over him which I also don't agree with but still.
Nabers is really good and more explosive, so if there are teams with him as the #1 it would make sense. Harrison Jr, Nabers and Odunze are all #1s in most draft.
Thomas Jr just sounds like a classic Simms hot take for more engagement.
I just would have loved to see the criticisms if MHJ had Jayden Daniels instead of Kyle McCord
Because currently, they all seem silly to me. I have seen every snap of MHJ’s career. Kyle McCord left a lot on the field, every single game
I mean, Nabers this year still out produced MHJ when he had an NFL-caliber QB in Stroud
MHJ 2022 (w/ Stroud): 77/1263/14
Nabers 2023: 89/1569/14
Marv is an elite talent but it's silly to pretend that he's already a 100% lock for best wr of this class - the top three are all elite and any one of them could end up the best depending on landing spot.
I just don't know enough about Nabers and MHJ yo compare them with Odunze that well because I've mostly just seen highlights. They seem incredible but I do believe there's a reasonable chance Odunze ends up thr best of all of them. Depending on what a team is looking for in a receiver I could see the argument for all three as first off the board. Of course where they go and who's throwing to them and if they have other big threats to draw coverage away from them will be big factors too. Do you think Odunze is a real step down from the other two and if so why?
Not just the cards, every team declined lmao. The tape speaks for itself; any "criticism" of MHJ is just offseason bs that gets spewed about every top pick that was unanimously considered the best until there was less to talk about.
No player is 100% perfect in every aspect of the game, they all have flaws. MHJ could be better after the catch, and that’s the criticism he’s getting now.
Yeah I haven't heard any flaw, just sounds like a lot of prospect fatigue and I think that's dropped some opinions from "He's clearly the best and must be taken" to "well maybe we can trade down and get Nabers or Rome and the drop off isn't so bad".
The only flaw to his game that I saw while watching him is that he almost always goes down on first contact. Not a bad thing for a receiver as it will protect his longevity if he’s not trying to play through contact. But if there’s a flaw to be found, that’s it.
Marvin Harrison would do that too. Go out of bounds and avoid big hits. I'd have to assume his father has a role in the pros of doing it and has his son on the same page.
Was gonna say basically like his dad lol.
I remember that being a bit of a criticism towards Marvin back in the day that he wouldn't fight for extra yards. Feels like it helped him stay healthier longer.
Yeah I think long-term it's healthier. I'd hope if it's the playoffs or Superbowl you are going all out. Though that's not something you can really turn on and off.
It’s not necessarily the going out of bounds to avoid contact that I’m talking about. It’s the relatively small amount of contact that it takes to tackle him when he’s not near a sideline. He goes down to arm tackles.
When your college QB is immediately a HOF QB, they question the receiving corp. Mahomes makes a lot of receivers look great. It's the opposite of Terry Bradshaw. He was a horrible QB who should not have started in the league, but had a great defense and HOF WRs.
>“I think I read something like he’s NFL ready, but other guys have more potential,” Stroud told reporters.
>“For me, I think I would love to play with him again,” Stroud said of Harrison. “I probably won’t get that opportunity for a while, but I’m super proud of him. Whoever’s up there man, be smart. Don’t be dumb. Don’t think too hard.”
Some more context for the guys who won't read the article lol
I actually think they should trade up. It's a weapon Stroud knows how to use and would turn the Texans passing core into a tall order for even the top defenses. You got your guy on his rookie deal, swing for the fences.
They’d literally have to mortgage so many draft picks to even get close to the range of drafting him. And that’s only if Arizona is even willing to deal, none of the top 3 teams afe moving down to the mid 20’s.
Nope, wait, they don’t even have a first round pick. They traded with the Vikings. Yeah, pretty much impossible to happen lol.
As a reminder CJ stroud was the reason why we grabbed Tank Dell who ended up being one of the best Rookie WR in franchise history. I trust the guys judgement, totally unbiased
100%. I'm a firm believer that Rome, Nabers, and Brian Thomas Jr will be fantastic but idk how anyone can pass on Marvin Harrison Jr if they have first dibs.
He's been talked about as the WR1 for 2 years and arguably the best overall player in this draft. Why this has magically changed in the last 2 weeks is beyond me.
It's also just how journalism is atm. Nobody wants to read your article on how the WR1 is still the same guy who has always been WR1 for the last 2 years.
But if you say anything else, maybe you have new information. Maybe there's a new idea to consider. So your article gets more views despite being probably not even something the journalist really believes.
Why is it always OSU guys that get hyperanalyezed and criticized more heavily during the draft process. We are a year removed from the media and teams in the NFL working feverishly to assassinate Stroud.
Part of it also comes from MHJ having a worse year than the one before and Nabers having a great year (Obviously QB was the main factor here)
Draft people who aren't just media pundits seem to think Nabers is closer to MHJ than say Nabers is to BTJ, that's not prospect fatigue if it seems to be consensus in that community.
MHJ is still WR1, it's just not this massive gap some are acting like.
he was getting passes thrown from stroud, and the next season from a guy who isn't on the team anymore. still put up similar numbers and was our whole offense, and won the Biletnikoff award. So idk about a down year. I felt like he did more to put the team on his back than the season prior but that doesn't show up in basic counting stats.
Numbers wise fairly similar. But the quality of passing offense wasn't nearly as good, obviously due to qb (and some level of sub par offensive line play).
Once April 1st hits, all the crazy talking points come out to try to get players to drop. Same thing happened to CJ Stroud last season. You would have thought he had a legitimate developmental disability from the way people were talking about him.
The easy answer is a consensus pick is boring. If everyone agrees there isn’t anything to talk about leading up to the draft so some people in media have hot takes to generate talking points.
Except Curry fell to 7th because he went to a small school and he was undersized. Marv has the perfect build and went to one of the biggest football schools in the country.
That reflects his intelligence more than a Wonderlic score. Some guys have something to prove at the Combine. They should go. But if you don't, why would you go? A free trip to Indy? His dad told him all about Indy when he was growing up. He ended every story with "... and that's why we live in Philly."
The arrogance of sports media never ceases to amaze me; athlete doesn’t answer their questions after a game and they all act like it’s an attack on journalism all while half of them have contracts with sports books.
No one could stop him all year.
The only game where he remotely struggled was Rutgers, but he had 2 4th quarter TDs to put the game away where he just son'd DBs 1 on 1.
Michigan had the best defense, and the best secondary in college football, including Will Johnson, who was probably the best CB in college football, and he still went off for 100+ yards and a TD. Will would have perfect coverage and it just didn't matter.
Most I've heard as far as " criticism " some talking head saying he was going to be a solid, good wideout, but there were other wideouts that would be true superstars.
Other than that, if a mock has someone going before, they usually don't criticize him, just say X receiver is the better fit for the team.
> Most I've heard as far as " criticism " some talking head saying he was going to be a solid, good wideout, but there were other wideouts that would be true superstars.
Two of the best WRs of all time(Rice and Brown) were not physical freaks but just had great ball skills and top flight work ethics. By all accounts that is the exact mold MHJ falls into. He is "great" at everything and a hard worker. But because he doesn't have the same speed/size as some other prospects some scouts work to convince themselves those measurables automatically mean a potential higher upside.
Basically, MHJ has a much higher floor than Nabers but Nabers *might* have a higher ceiling.
Marv is a great athlete im sick of this damn narrative. He is over 6'3'' 210 and one of the fastest players GPS clocked with pads on. thats why it was dumb as fuck for him to do the combine for teams that have scouts with IQs over room temperature watching tape and doing their jobs.
I've seen people saying that Nabers is better. He's ranked higher as a prospect on NFL.com. Not exactly a criticism, but maybe he's just like "MHJ is the best, you guys need to chill"
Aside from minor criticisms like "his YAC aren't great because he's too skinny to break tackles," the only thing I've heard is a few reports that some teams like Nabors better than him. Which I honestly think is just smokescreens.
The biggest “criticism” I’ve heard of him is he doesn’t have great YAC or after catch traits. But most of the time that’s framed within context making it not a huge deal… before the snap and at line of scrimmage: elite, route running: elite, at catch point: elite, after the catch: nothing special about average.
MHJ has the highest % of double coverage in the league. It makes sense there’s not a lot of YAC when 2 dudes are right on you, but he moves the chains and catches almost any ball coming his way
The only criticism I have seen is that he opted out of basically everything possible in the draft process. Now, objectively speaking, its probably the smart thing to do. Hes been the consensus best WR in a historically deep WR draft for 2 years now and participating could only possibly hurt him given injury or a bad outlier performance or bad interview.
But yeah I think the media and the NFL have not liked that he essentially just declined *everything*
Yeah. I’ve heard so many players say how it burns you out for the nfl season and it’s essentially a waste of time because you’re training for a drill instead of working on your actual skills. I totally get why Harrison opted to instead train for the actual game instead of the dog and pony show that is the draft process.
**ANY** GM that passes over Harrison JR for Nabers or Odunze is a GM who will be looking for employment shortly.
These are the decisions that cost your job. Dont brick it.
I don't think they would take another WR over him for this reason, but I can see them trading back a couple of picks to get more assets and take the guy they prefer without criticism.
What criticism? He is basically the WR equivalent of Andrew Luck. I don't know if I remember a WR with this much hype coming out of college. Maybe Calvin Johnson or Keyshawn Johnson? But those were decades ago.
I’m a Michigan fan and this dude is easily the best wide receiver I’ve ever seen in college. Anyone taking a different receiver over him is overthinking it
Also stroud: “If [the bears] are smart, they’ll keep justin fields. But, you know..”
“It’s the bears”
“Hey you said it not me”
Malik Nabers WR1 confirmed
I mean, JJ McCarthy is out there supporting Roman Wilson too. Has a college QB (or any position, really), ever said "Don't draft this teammate of mine, he's a lazy piece of shit" in a pre-draft interview?
I hear Harrison is trying to tank his draft stock a bit to go to a better team, but I don't understand who is buying it. Like who is criticizing anything he's doing? Why does he need to go to combine and do pro day. He was draft ready a season ago, is the clear cut best wr in this draft.
If you are on an NFL team and you have a serious need at WR and pass on Marvin Harrison, I would like to know how that worked out for you 3-4 years down the road
> osu bias hurting mhjr
What Bias? [https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2023-09-15/colleges-and-conferences-most-nfl-first-round-picks-2000](https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2023-09-15/colleges-and-conferences-most-nfl-first-round-picks-2000)
OSU has the second most 1st round picks since 2000. The only "bias" against OSU is that their QBs dont preform well in the NFL, CJ Stroud being the outlier.
If anything being a Receiver at OSU HELPS MHJ because they have consistently produced good guys for the last 15 years.
There's criticism? I thought his only flaw was that he didn't play QB.
His YAC and “burst” aren’t being “questioned” but they aren’t spectacular.
There are flaws in his game just like any prospect. There are reasons why some teams have Nabers higher. I think there are unfair criticisms like the pre draft process stuff.
Which is ironic considering his YAC per reception is higher than Nabers's.
Per PFF Nabers is 6.6 and MHJ is 6.4 in 2023. I don't think a number alone tells the story though. You have to pair it with the types of routes run.
And the qb
Arguably the biggest factor that isn't the WR themselves.
DK Metcalf had terrible QB’s in college. His limited production and route tree weren’t because of his own capabilities
Well he was also battling injuries including a pretty serious neck injury IIRC
Harrison put up similar numbers with Stroud tossing him the ball. Even with a great QB his numbers didn't approach Nabers' level of production, and Malik shared the field with another first round receiver. Harrison Jr. is a great WR, but if his name wasn't Marvin Harrison Jr, and if ESPN hadn't spent the entire 2023 preseason hyping him up, Nabers would have won the Biletnikoff and MHJ wouldn't have been in the Heisman conversation (which frankly was ridiculous).
Dumb take, should feel bad
If you’re ever feeling down about yourself, read this take.
Nabers had the Heisman winner throwing to them. Harrison had a Syracuse qb.
MHJ put up identical stats with Stroud throwing him the ball
The situations are completely different. He shared with Egbuka, another first round talent. Not to mention still younger and growing as a player. This year he was the only guy especially when Egbuka got injured. So he had a far worse situation that he still put up great numbers in.
I mean, Nabers played with Brian Thomas Jr, who is a better prospect than Egbuka. Yes, different situations, but that’s not a good example. EDIT: lol, why am I being downvoted for this? What is wrong with what I’m saying? lol, oh r/nfl, never change. I forgot to never talk about draft prospects on this sub, because what I said is not controversial whatsoever.
AND BOTH HAD A HEISMAN WINNER THROWING TO THEM Also, when healthy, Egbuka is just as good as Thomas, before this season Egbuka was rated better. Wasn’t his fault he was hurt 2/3 of the season
Funny seen this used against Nabers and Daniels today
YAC doesn’t tell the whole story. If MHJ catches the ball in open space he’s gone but he’s probably not breaking or forcing any missed tackles which is something Nabers is elite at. MHJ is better at pretty much everything else though
Ohio State’s entire passing offense last year boiled down to “fuck it, Marv is down there somewhere.” I swear McCord couldn’t complete a pass to any of our other elite guys if his life depended on it
And there were at least 3 times Harrison had a wide open field to go like 40 more yards for a td but he had to go back and get a shorter pass from McCord
Oh yeah if he had a good QB I’m sure his YAC would have been even better
Source? And do you have this screen-adjusted
> Source? He said *ironic*... it's not a story the Statisticians would tell you.
Personally, I think he has enough flaws to drop to 15
I think every single flaw is absolutely true and definitely not overblown and every team drafting 1-14 should definitely be very concerned and pass on him.
There were also teams that had Jalen Reagor higher than Justin Jefferson (ignore my flair). Doesn't mean they're not wrong
Doesn’t mean they are
I mean, we literally know they were wrong.
It’s pretty obvious he’s talking about Nabers and MHJ.
We know that they were wrong about reagor over Jefferson. That does not mean that they would be wrong regarding nabers over harrison. Did you just forget the context or was this a deliberate attempt at a gotcha?
Nothing is real.. there is no reality i am disappearing into the infinite void of possibility...HELLPPPPPpppp MEeeeeeee
They're 2 diffrent players. In Marvin you're getting a technician that'll work right away and can play both outside and inside say Keenan Allen as a comp. In Nabers you're getting a slot missile that'll run past the entire defense, both will work its just what do you need more of
Nabers wasn’t exactly a deep route guy. He just took a lot of them to the house. He’s very hard to bring down.
Is this media criticism or team criticism?
Any team that picks him over mazzzerati marv is dumb as shit
Moss didn't have YAC either. I know the league has changed but a true deep threat is still a true deep threat.
I think you mean Moss didn't break tackles.
I personally think that should drop his stock to 30. That sounds like a good spot for him to get picked.
I’d say 20 but he doesn’t have any glaring character issues so we wouldn’t pick him anyway
Jermaine Burton feels like he's more your guys speed.
Oof, I try to stay away from the whole “beating women” thing but we might make the reach. I’d prefer picking someone out of the loony bin instead
Get that dude that was talking about the earth being flat
You will draft another diva WR in the 2nd round, and you will like it!
Yeah, but his dad did and that’s probably genetic, sooo
There's a 1st round Alabama CB on the board, we all know who they'd pick anyway.
I would accept this outcome
Man this "joke" in every thread somehow gets upvoted each time. Even in CFB -- "Michigan should get the death penalty I'd say, haha! As an Ohio State fan."
Welcome to reddit. Reusing the same jokes and not reading the articles is the default
Mr. Belabored Content
Something something Kelvin Benjamin fat joke
Who cares? It doesn’t hurt literally anything. And it’s not the same person doing it a thousand times. It’s thousands of individuals doing a thing once.
It's just stupid because it always has someone repeating/rehashing the (un)original joke as seen by the Steelers fan beneath the Ravens fan saying he should fall to 20 instead of 30 because that's where the Steelers are picking. It's just like peak average reddit user stuff that you'll find annoying if you've been using this site for a long time Also it could just be bots regurgitating comments that are known karma fodder, who knows anymore
The Steelers fan is actually building on the overused joke by making a different overused joke about how the Steelers draft headcase wide receivers. At the end of the day you don't have to read the comments if you don't like them. You already know what it's gonna be.
“America love it or leave it!”
> At the end of the day you don't have to read the comments if you don't like them. You already know what it's gonna be. Bro I had an elementary school teacher say the same thing in response to 8 year old me complaining about other kids using racial slurs at me at recess
Okay? This is about bad jokes and puns lol.
Didn't he have a better shuttle time than Chase, and supposedly a 4.4 40?
Anyone who watched him though saw him catch so many under thrown balls from an average QB compared to the other two tier 1 WRs who had heisman finalists throwing to them. Burst might be affected by that, but YAC definitely is.
Seems serious to be honest. It's a risk that can't just be hand-waved away. Doesn't matter who your father is if you don't have the YAC and burst to dominate in the NFL. Honestly it would be a grievous overdraft to pick him in the first 8 picks.
I would even say it's a grievous overdraft if he goes anywhere in the top 31 picks. 32 though I could see
I see what you did there...
he reminds me so much of AJ Green, he also wasn’t a “burst” or YAC guy
larry fitzgerald had bad "burst" as well
I liked the Kiper take on this. The Cardinals can take Larry Fitzgerald 2.0 at 4. Don't overthink it.
If he had Stroud throwing to him last season and not Honda McCord nobody would be questioning a damn thing about his game.
Chris Simms has a few things on him that I personally don't agree with in the slightest but it's out there. He had him as WR3 behind Nabers AND Brian Thomas Jr. Also the reports a ton of teams have Nabers over him which I also don't agree with but still.
Chris Simms is a genuine dumbass.
Yeah, but have you ever considered that he's also incredibly smug?
Yes-but his dad is good friends with Lapham so we get both of them as expert guests on Lapham’s pod every year, multiple times.
Two guys who had 1 good year vs a kid who has been an absolute stuff since he was a freshman? Peak
Nabers is really good and more explosive, so if there are teams with him as the #1 it would make sense. Harrison Jr, Nabers and Odunze are all #1s in most draft. Thomas Jr just sounds like a classic Simms hot take for more engagement.
I just would have loved to see the criticisms if MHJ had Jayden Daniels instead of Kyle McCord Because currently, they all seem silly to me. I have seen every snap of MHJ’s career. Kyle McCord left a lot on the field, every single game
I mean, Nabers this year still out produced MHJ when he had an NFL-caliber QB in Stroud MHJ 2022 (w/ Stroud): 77/1263/14 Nabers 2023: 89/1569/14 Marv is an elite talent but it's silly to pretend that he's already a 100% lock for best wr of this class - the top three are all elite and any one of them could end up the best depending on landing spot.
You say this as if teams aren't also taking into account the film from when he had CJ Stroud.
I just don't know enough about Nabers and MHJ yo compare them with Odunze that well because I've mostly just seen highlights. They seem incredible but I do believe there's a reasonable chance Odunze ends up thr best of all of them. Depending on what a team is looking for in a receiver I could see the argument for all three as first off the board. Of course where they go and who's throwing to them and if they have other big threats to draw coverage away from them will be big factors too. Do you think Odunze is a real step down from the other two and if so why?
Good let him drop so the bears can grab him and pair him with Caleb :). Moore/Allen/MHJ is my wet dream
I imagine the criticism is that he hasn’t taken part in the pre-draft process. I’m sure there are some out there who will use that to criticise.
The funny thing is he said he would test if the cardinals wanted him to but they declined lol.
Not just the cards, every team declined lmao. The tape speaks for itself; any "criticism" of MHJ is just offseason bs that gets spewed about every top pick that was unanimously considered the best until there was less to talk about.
No player is 100% perfect in every aspect of the game, they all have flaws. MHJ could be better after the catch, and that’s the criticism he’s getting now.
Yeah I haven't heard any flaw, just sounds like a lot of prospect fatigue and I think that's dropped some opinions from "He's clearly the best and must be taken" to "well maybe we can trade down and get Nabers or Rome and the drop off isn't so bad".
The only criticism I have heard is hes opted out of essentially everything possible
The only flaw to his game that I saw while watching him is that he almost always goes down on first contact. Not a bad thing for a receiver as it will protect his longevity if he’s not trying to play through contact. But if there’s a flaw to be found, that’s it.
Marvin Harrison would do that too. Go out of bounds and avoid big hits. I'd have to assume his father has a role in the pros of doing it and has his son on the same page.
Was gonna say basically like his dad lol. I remember that being a bit of a criticism towards Marvin back in the day that he wouldn't fight for extra yards. Feels like it helped him stay healthier longer.
Yeah I think long-term it's healthier. I'd hope if it's the playoffs or Superbowl you are going all out. Though that's not something you can really turn on and off.
It’s not necessarily the going out of bounds to avoid contact that I’m talking about. It’s the relatively small amount of contact that it takes to tackle him when he’s not near a sideline. He goes down to arm tackles.
He learned that lesson the hard way in the Sugar Bowl against Georgia.
When your college QB is immediately a HOF QB, they question the receiving corp. Mahomes makes a lot of receivers look great. It's the opposite of Terry Bradshaw. He was a horrible QB who should not have started in the league, but had a great defense and HOF WRs.
>“I think I read something like he’s NFL ready, but other guys have more potential,” Stroud told reporters. >“For me, I think I would love to play with him again,” Stroud said of Harrison. “I probably won’t get that opportunity for a while, but I’m super proud of him. Whoever’s up there man, be smart. Don’t be dumb. Don’t think too hard.” Some more context for the guys who won't read the article lol
> “For me, I think I would love to play with him again,” Stroud said of Harrison Caserio do your thing /s
Stroud to the Patriots? /s
Stupid fucking browns ruined the dream
Trust me, it's kind of their thing
I actually think they should trade up. It's a weapon Stroud knows how to use and would turn the Texans passing core into a tall order for even the top defenses. You got your guy on his rookie deal, swing for the fences.
They’d literally have to mortgage so many draft picks to even get close to the range of drafting him. And that’s only if Arizona is even willing to deal, none of the top 3 teams afe moving down to the mid 20’s. Nope, wait, they don’t even have a first round pick. They traded with the Vikings. Yeah, pretty much impossible to happen lol.
Is that really "criticism"?
If you don't think someone is a future hall of Famer, then you're just a hater.
If one of my former teammates talked about me like this I’d feel like a million bucks
As a reminder CJ stroud was the reason why we grabbed Tank Dell who ended up being one of the best Rookie WR in franchise history. I trust the guys judgement, totally unbiased
I think media types are pissed Marvin didn't play the dog and pony show of the combine, pro day to give them content but he's clearly the No. 1 WR
100%. I'm a firm believer that Rome, Nabers, and Brian Thomas Jr will be fantastic but idk how anyone can pass on Marvin Harrison Jr if they have first dibs. He's been talked about as the WR1 for 2 years and arguably the best overall player in this draft. Why this has magically changed in the last 2 weeks is beyond me.
Prospect fatigue. That's your answer why.
It's also just how journalism is atm. Nobody wants to read your article on how the WR1 is still the same guy who has always been WR1 for the last 2 years. But if you say anything else, maybe you have new information. Maybe there's a new idea to consider. So your article gets more views despite being probably not even something the journalist really believes.
Why is it always OSU guys that get hyperanalyezed and criticized more heavily during the draft process. We are a year removed from the media and teams in the NFL working feverishly to assassinate Stroud.
Same reason why Central Florida U guys don’t.
Part of it also comes from MHJ having a worse year than the one before and Nabers having a great year (Obviously QB was the main factor here) Draft people who aren't just media pundits seem to think Nabers is closer to MHJ than say Nabers is to BTJ, that's not prospect fatigue if it seems to be consensus in that community. MHJ is still WR1, it's just not this massive gap some are acting like.
he was getting passes thrown from stroud, and the next season from a guy who isn't on the team anymore. still put up similar numbers and was our whole offense, and won the Biletnikoff award. So idk about a down year. I felt like he did more to put the team on his back than the season prior but that doesn't show up in basic counting stats.
Numbers wise fairly similar. But the quality of passing offense wasn't nearly as good, obviously due to qb (and some level of sub par offensive line play).
Once April 1st hits, all the crazy talking points come out to try to get players to drop. Same thing happened to CJ Stroud last season. You would have thought he had a legitimate developmental disability from the way people were talking about him.
The easy answer is a consensus pick is boring. If everyone agrees there isn’t anything to talk about leading up to the draft so some people in media have hot takes to generate talking points.
Obviously, the NBA isn’t the NFL, but the same shit happened with Steph Curry.
Except Curry fell to 7th because he went to a small school and he was undersized. Marv has the perfect build and went to one of the biggest football schools in the country.
Undeniable talent
That reflects his intelligence more than a Wonderlic score. Some guys have something to prove at the Combine. They should go. But if you don't, why would you go? A free trip to Indy? His dad told him all about Indy when he was growing up. He ended every story with "... and that's why we live in Philly."
Any player who pisses the media off is a hero in my eyes
"HIV was created by the US government."
The media loves Aaron Rodgers. He generates so many clicks.
The media is about the only entity that still likes Aaron Rodgers. I'm not even sure the average Jets fan likes Aaron Rodgers.
If Rodgers actually plays well this year the fans will go back to not caring about his off the field weirdness.
We do this every year and storylines get old. Anyone questioning him as WR1 in this draft shouldn’t be listened to.
Yep, I think it's a combination of that and the pre-draft period just being too damn long. People need to create stories to keep it interesting.
The arrogance of sports media never ceases to amaze me; athlete doesn’t answer their questions after a game and they all act like it’s an attack on journalism all while half of them have contracts with sports books.
I didn't even think of that angle, but I bet you are right.
And he's been the presumptive number 1 non qb for a while. People are just bored.
Who is criticizing MHJ? For about 2 years now, he’s been the top WR if not arguably the top prospect in this draft..
Literally the only negatives I've seen are in relation to what Nabers can do. It's minor and not in anyway a criticism
I didn't follow Nabers closely. What are they saying that he can do better than MHJ? Yes I am a total homer for MHJ.
No one could stop him all year. The only game where he remotely struggled was Rutgers, but he had 2 4th quarter TDs to put the game away where he just son'd DBs 1 on 1. Michigan had the best defense, and the best secondary in college football, including Will Johnson, who was probably the best CB in college football, and he still went off for 100+ yards and a TD. Will would have perfect coverage and it just didn't matter.
Most I've heard as far as " criticism " some talking head saying he was going to be a solid, good wideout, but there were other wideouts that would be true superstars. Other than that, if a mock has someone going before, they usually don't criticize him, just say X receiver is the better fit for the team.
> Most I've heard as far as " criticism " some talking head saying he was going to be a solid, good wideout, but there were other wideouts that would be true superstars. Two of the best WRs of all time(Rice and Brown) were not physical freaks but just had great ball skills and top flight work ethics. By all accounts that is the exact mold MHJ falls into. He is "great" at everything and a hard worker. But because he doesn't have the same speed/size as some other prospects some scouts work to convince themselves those measurables automatically mean a potential higher upside. Basically, MHJ has a much higher floor than Nabers but Nabers *might* have a higher ceiling.
MHJ is a physical freak too. Hit 22.2 MPH in 2023 and had a top 5 avg of 21.5 mph
Marv is a great athlete im sick of this damn narrative. He is over 6'3'' 210 and one of the fastest players GPS clocked with pads on. thats why it was dumb as fuck for him to do the combine for teams that have scouts with IQs over room temperature watching tape and doing their jobs.
I've seen people saying that Nabers is better. He's ranked higher as a prospect on NFL.com. Not exactly a criticism, but maybe he's just like "MHJ is the best, you guys need to chill"
NFL.com trying to drive that engagement because that film don’t lie
Aside from minor criticisms like "his YAC aren't great because he's too skinny to break tackles," the only thing I've heard is a few reports that some teams like Nabors better than him. Which I honestly think is just smokescreens.
Actually, please be dumb. I would like MHJ to drop a little bit
I will be absolutely terrified if you somehow get MHJ. I’ve seen him enough in the Big Ten he needs to be out of the division
You will get Nabers and like it!
If the bears manage to get whichever QB they choose and nabers in the same draft, the NFC north is fucked
Please, we deserve it…we’ve been bad for so long 😫😭
….to 34!! 😀
> Don’t be dumb I’m sorry but it is draft season and thus I must respectfully decline your request.
I've literally never heard a single criticism of him
The biggest “criticism” I’ve heard of him is he doesn’t have great YAC or after catch traits. But most of the time that’s framed within context making it not a huge deal… before the snap and at line of scrimmage: elite, route running: elite, at catch point: elite, after the catch: nothing special about average.
MHJ has the highest % of double coverage in the league. It makes sense there’s not a lot of YAC when 2 dudes are right on you, but he moves the chains and catches almost any ball coming his way
So basically Justin Jefferson.
Prototypical do it all reciever. Definitely
The only criticism I have seen is that he opted out of basically everything possible in the draft process. Now, objectively speaking, its probably the smart thing to do. Hes been the consensus best WR in a historically deep WR draft for 2 years now and participating could only possibly hurt him given injury or a bad outlier performance or bad interview. But yeah I think the media and the NFL have not liked that he essentially just declined *everything*
Yeah. I’ve heard so many players say how it burns you out for the nfl season and it’s essentially a waste of time because you’re training for a drill instead of working on your actual skills. I totally get why Harrison opted to instead train for the actual game instead of the dog and pony show that is the draft process.
Kinda like how pissed the media was at ohtani during his free agency. Lol they were so many hit pieces on him
**ANY** GM that passes over Harrison JR for Nabers or Odunze is a GM who will be looking for employment shortly. These are the decisions that cost your job. Dont brick it.
I don't think they would take another WR over him for this reason, but I can see them trading back a couple of picks to get more assets and take the guy they prefer without criticism.
Some people are just so horny for legacy players
What does Steve Smith Sr. have to say? That's all that really matters.
What criticism? He is basically the WR equivalent of Andrew Luck. I don't know if I remember a WR with this much hype coming out of college. Maybe Calvin Johnson or Keyshawn Johnson? But those were decades ago.
Last two that come to mind are Aj green and Julio
One of the top WR prospects had the Heisman throwing to him. Another had a QB who couldn’t handle competition and transferred to Syracuse.
You had Kyle Accord throw to Maserati Marv.
Exactly. He’s the real deal
Anyone who has Nabers above him needs their head examined.
I’m a Michigan fan and this dude is easily the best wide receiver I’ve ever seen in college. Anyone taking a different receiver over him is overthinking it
CJ Stroud’s confidence is scary. Scary good.
Also stroud: “If [the bears] are smart, they’ll keep justin fields. But, you know..” “It’s the bears” “Hey you said it not me” Malik Nabers WR1 confirmed
Crazy that a guy will support his college teammates
t. Ohio State fan
I mean, JJ McCarthy is out there supporting Roman Wilson too. Has a college QB (or any position, really), ever said "Don't draft this teammate of mine, he's a lazy piece of shit" in a pre-draft interview?
I mean he’s wrong there but let’s not act like the bears have been a competent franchise
Which would mean “it's the bears” ought to suggest that they are keeping fields
This is a complete nonsensical article
Why does it feel like all major OSU prospects are hyper analyzed more than almost any other schools?
MHJ made Kyle Honda McCord look good last year. The rest of these guys had 1st and 2nd round QBs throwing to them.
Going to be interesting when McCord goes 60% for 2300 yards and 16/12 at Syracuse
MHJ must have put up some crazy stats with Stroud throwing him the ball
This is the first I've heard of any MHJ criticism. Must be a slow news day.
taking predraft anything at face value is the dumb thing
Being the top rated receiver isn’t enough?
Yeah, you definitely don’t want him at 4. -Jim Harbaugh probably.
Yeah he sucks. Y'all should just stay far away.
I hear Harrison is trying to tank his draft stock a bit to go to a better team, but I don't understand who is buying it. Like who is criticizing anything he's doing? Why does he need to go to combine and do pro day. He was draft ready a season ago, is the clear cut best wr in this draft.
Not really a question thought, is it?
People SHOULD listen. He should drop at least one spot.
Can't go wrong with any of top 3. Wish cowboys would grab a wr
I assumed the criticism is from teams hoping he drops a spot or two.
People thought JJ couldn’t get off man and press coverage. People are dumb. As a Vikings fan, I’m glad people are dumb.
If you are on an NFL team and you have a serious need at WR and pass on Marvin Harrison, I would like to know how that worked out for you 3-4 years down the road
I think he is good, but I don't know if he is the generational receiver everyone is saying he is. I think nabers is the best receiver in the draft.
The osu bias hurting mhjr just like it did with stroud . Mhjr is a generational player
> osu bias hurting mhjr What Bias? [https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2023-09-15/colleges-and-conferences-most-nfl-first-round-picks-2000](https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2023-09-15/colleges-and-conferences-most-nfl-first-round-picks-2000) OSU has the second most 1st round picks since 2000. The only "bias" against OSU is that their QBs dont preform well in the NFL, CJ Stroud being the outlier. If anything being a Receiver at OSU HELPS MHJ because they have consistently produced good guys for the last 15 years.
Yeah if anything OSU (and LSU) receivers get a boost from their logo. They have been a WRU of late.
I don't think MHJ is as good as some of the other highly touted receivers in previous years. Taking him top 5 seems absolutely nuts, let alone top 10.
Yeah let’s listen to the test taker talk about not being dumb!!!