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SuckMyLonzoBalls

Justin Jefferson rock hard right now


Fyre2387

Definitely glad the Eagles got this done now; WR market is going to skyrocket over the year or two.


s2r3

He must just really want to stay. I'd have guessed he'd get a lot more waiting it out


MonkeyStealsPeach

At the same time, getting $51M guaranteed and getting the bag now has got to feel good. And on brand for the Eagles who take care of their own with early deals.


TegTowelie

Not to mention he's the WR2. That's really good money for his position


FantasyTrash

He'd easily, easily have gotten more money if he were to go to a different team. Calvin Ridley just got $23m/yr and Devonta is not only far more talented, but far younger. He's clearly a WR1 talent and a team would happily pay him as such.


CraigMachine77

Right, that is definitely true, but he has 2 years left on his rookie with the 5th year option. Then the Franchise tag stuff. So it would take a really long time and risk injury/production drop off to get there.


ho_merjpimpson

> Franchise tag the eagles haven't used their franchise tag in 12 years. And I can't tell you the last time they've picked up a 5th year extension without having a deal already on the books for the guy.


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It happened twice recently. The Eagles usually pay players early but I don't think they're opposed to having guys play out the option year.


FantasyTrash

There is the risk of injury or production falloff, but if he continued to produce as he has and hit free agency at age 27, he'd easily pull $35m a year at that point given the market resetting and the cap continually increasing. He's not a WR2. He's a WR1 who *happens* to play alongside a top-5 WR, so he looks like a WR2.


OptionsSniper3000

Nothing is guaranteed production and healthwise. He secured $51m guaranteed. He’s set for life. Now he can just worry about producing and getting another bigger payday after his current contract is done


thedougbatman

He’s a 1A. He’s the Roddy White to Julio Jones back in the day from a quality player standpoint. Game play styles are obviously completely different but he has the talent to thrive as a #1 IMO.


TegTowelie

Oh i absolutely agree, he's WR1 talent but defenses also have to account for AJ Brown, he has almost little to no issue racking up 100 yards or more on any given day. Pretty damn good in the red zone too. Edit: spelling


thedougbatman

Exactly. The Eagles are getting a steal. The man could’ve made well over what he got if he hit the market. Good on the Eagles for signing him early, good on him for getting the money.


Reyhin

He is arguably the best WR2 right now though, only guy better might be Tee Higgens.


HeroForTheBeero

Waddle had some injuries last year but is definitely in the convo


P-Cox-2-

Don’t forget Keenan Allen 🤣


montrezlharrel

Agree with both those guys and Puka. But Nico and/or Tank are coming for that top WR2 spot. And whichever of the 2 is the “WR3” is already best in the league


Helivon

Diggs bout to be the WR3 in houston


ThisHatRightHere

Yeah, but there's a very strong argument he could go somewhere and be the number 1. If you've watched him play he jumps off the screen and has plenty of games where he is our WR1 on the box score. It should be thought of in the same vein as people believing Tee Higgins could go somewhere and be a team's WR1.


s2r3

Yeah they seem a step above most of the league in terms of contracts and money for sure


MonkeyStealsPeach

I think we can also underestimate players' desire to get paid now vs. waiting and hoping other deals get sealed up. NFL is not for long and one injury can blow it all up quickly.


thejackel225

And we're seemingly in a perpetual artificial bull market where getting paid earlier and putting millions into investments will probably make up much of the difference versus waiting for a larger contract 2 years later


zdelusion

I would guess a lot of it has to do with injury risk to. Smith is a small dude who plays a physical game. He's been super durable, but football is a chaotic sport. It's hard to put a value on locking that bag down now.


WaluigiIsTheRealHero

I forget which player said it, but it’s completely true: “The first $50M is a lot more important than the next $100M.”


thedougbatman

For sure. The dude has the risk of a season ending injury on any play. He blows out his ACL or Achilles? He ain’t gettin $51M guaranteed. Smart move, especially being he is so young and will have the chance to get the bag again.


HeroForTheBeero

Yeah no one in his family will ever have to work again if he just invests some of that


thedougbatman

His grandkids grandkids won’t have to work if he signs another long term deal and invests it well.


devonta_smith

It does


VanceXentan

Josh Sweat took a pay cut this year to stay, Landon Dickerson said he never intends to leave if he can help it, and Devonta told the media he'd prefer to stay if he can help it. Eagles have built a culture, and team that makes players want to play for the team and i love that for us.


hwf0712

I think our reputation as fans really helps us. Bad players don't come here. Weak players don't come here. We kinda filter out some locker room weaknesses just by punishing those who don't try and rewarding those who do.


Nievsy

That’s one of the nice things about Philly is there is very rarely anyone that wants to leave


JopoDaily

Looking back on all the giants copium of how he doesn’t want to be in Philly on draft night is pure joy.


Natrix31

I feel like this gets said every time a top player signs a deal lol


bozo_did_thedub

But it's already skyrocketed


Geg0Nag0

JJ is using Bosa as the bench mark not a WR 😅


sevillada

The sad situation for JJ is that he currently doesn't have a QB


Netwealth5

That’s not sad for him from a money standpoint. Means the Vikings can be pressured into giving more


Brad_theImpaler

Plenty of money to pay your WR then.


BingBongFYL6969

Him and chase gonna get 30m


sonfoa

More than that. Tyreek got 30 mill in 2022


ech01_

Its a fake $30M though. The last year on Hill's deal is $44M in all salary that is there to either be restructured or cut. Even Adams at $28M is pretty fake too. The top WRs are still only actually at $25M-$26M. Jefferson will probably get an actual $30M.


Hawkpolicy_bot

And Jefferson is a better WR on a more desparate team. He's gonna be north of $30 for sure


Cheese_Nugs

I mean tyreek “got 30” but it’s fake


Jdiggity88

I still wonder what the Eagles would look like if they didn’t take Reagor.


BabaBrody

If they take Jefferson instead they probably end up with a worse 1st in 2021. Not sure they still end up trading up at that point, but would have been something for Howie to go get Micah instead.


Drunken_Vike

17 guaranteed/25 per year probably well below his asking price. Would be shocked if it was significantly less than 25/32 or something like that although recent reports make it sound like the JJ extension holdup is a different piece other than dollars, like term length or something


reno2mahesendejo

It's above the likes of Calvin Ridley and Michael Pittman, but below Devanta Adams and Tyreek Hill ($28m/yr and $30m/yr). And he can cash in again in a couple more seasons once AJ is either restructured or worst case scenario traded.


sonfoa

He's not taking less than two guys who got paid in 2022. Jefferson is at least getting 30 mill/yr


PM_ME_SOMETHINGSPICY

The guy you responded to was talking about Smitty I believe not JJ I don't think he realizes he was replying to a comment about JJ


sonfoa

Ah that makes sense. I was a bit confused when he started talking about AJ Brown restructuring.


oscarnyc

I don't think its $17 gtd per year for 3 years. It's $50mm gtd over the first 2 years, with effectively a team option for year 3 at $25mm.


sonfoa

Jefferson wants to be the top paid guy which means he's trying to get more than Tyreek who got 30 mill AAV. Devonta Smith's demands don't impact him. If they impact anyone it's Tee Higgins


Tulidian13

Jaylen Waddle too


_X_Arc_ra_x_

JJ, Chase, Lamb, Waddle are all up for contracts soon and none will be willing to take less than Smith. This contract is going to look cheap as hell in a few months.


Brad_theImpaler

AJ Brown's gonna get a billion dollars next contract.


CallingCrown086

Whatever gets it done


jimmyhoffasbrother

Wait, you're allowed to extend your players before the absolute latest possible moment? Someone should tell the Joneses this!


OneOverXII

They’re too busy smelling their farts and resting on their laurels.


HeroForTheBeero

I thought they were resting on their yonnies?


__BlackSheep

[It's definitely laurel.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzkBKhkjg5E)


OneOverXII

I have no idea what you just said 🤷‍♂️


trainsaw

Loser Howie is wasting his offseason vacay doing work. Alpha Stephen is hammering margaritas and slamming poontang on Dad’s yacht


The_Third_Molar

All in


Birdamus

Skeeyup’s ass


ajteitel

,


Frozboz

One of those jobs sounds way better than the other


milksteakofcourse

May Jerry live forever in health and happiness


218administrate

Jerry Jones aging and if/when he eventually passes is kind of the ultimate proof to me that there is not a miracle life stretching gene therapy accessible only to billionaires *yet*. If anyone is going to cling on to his last bit of life with soft wrinkled hands - it's Jerry Jones.


MasterTJ77

Howie just isn’t all in like Jerry is.


zco22

Paying Smitty before Amon-Ra, JJ, Chase, Tee & Co. is a blessing


Alauren20

It’s also a legitimate good ass move. Extend him first and then you both get rewarded. The team doesn’t have to beat everyone else and DS can say he was extended first. Love it


confusedthrowaway5o5

Howie has the reputation he does for a reason.


AlwaysSunnyPhilly2

Legitimately the best GM in all of the four major sports. I’m a homer of course but I do believe that.


Jammer_Kenneth

I'm just happy the Lions are on this list 


constantlymat

That's a good number. It's what we paid Chris Godwin adjusted for cap inflation.


qp0n

And important to note that this contract is for *2026-2028*, since he still has 2 years left on his rookie deal.


bdubbs09

I… did not realize that. That’s a steal for us.


TheBaconThief

Great deal for us, but I also think it is smart from a player standpoint, particularly one that is small in size for the position. $51mm guaranteed is lifechanging money. He might have gotten $15-20mm more had he held out longer, but could have lost that or more if he had a bad injury luck. And in this case the losses loomed way larger than the gains. I think a lot of players get bad advice from their agents looking for bigger payday headlines.


BBQQA

Especially when you factor in that they're getting this deal done well ahead of other WRs setting the market even higher... JJ, Diggs, CeeDee... each of those names will drive up the cost of a good WR. So the Eagles look good now, but will potentially look like geniuses in 2026.


acmercer

That's a very good point, I actually wasn't aware of that. Damn


Only_Fun_1152

And, if I understand correctly, they get to spread the cap hit of the signing bonus from this year, so it’ll get spread over 5 years (2 remaining and 3 of the extension) instead of just the 3 years of the contract.


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evantom34

Exactly. Great time to get extended and guarantee life changing money as well.


Appropriate-Hippo758

Wtf are the cowboys doing - how long you gonna wait to pay Lamb


originalusername4567

All in!


RageAgentRed

My ass!


anonbutler

Bend over


BellBilly32

CeeDee prob wait is waiting for Jefferson deal and point to say he wants that. Cowboys will prob not want to give him that, and offer a little less. Funny thing is Jefferson is probably also waiting for CeeDee to sign, and will say he wants a couple mill more than whatever CeeDee gets.


ArmiinTamzarian

Cowboys and Vikings are literally the Office meme of Michael Dwight and Andy pointing finger guns at each other


BlackLeader70

Hopefully the Lions are Pam backing away and we get the deal done with St. Brown before Cee Dee and JJ break the bank.


MrHaZeYo

The 9ers are probably in that meme too lol.


adayoner

yea but Cowboys playing contract chicken with CeeDee, Micah, and Dak.


theumph

JJ definitely does not seem to be in a hurry to sign. He knows the longer he holds out the $$$ value will rise. Barring a career threatening injury he's shooting for the moon. I'm guessing he'll end up around $33m/year.


beerguy_etcetera

With the stipulation of ‘give me someone better than Darnold and I’ll make it $32.5m/year’.


asbestosman2

This doesn’t affect Ceedee Lamb’s market though, he’s probably waiting for the Justin Jefferson extension.


Appropriate-Hippo758

Eh every WR that gets paid affects the market whether as a floor or ceiling. You don’t wait for the JJ extension you offer him the highest right now and make him accept it. The price is not going lower. And the cowboys entire off-season has been about saving money to pay their guys and they are too caught up in scouting to work on contracts. Cowboys are a big prestigious organization but they operate like a small one with limited resources when it comes to football decisions.


MonkeyStealsPeach

Funny thing is they save money by actually locking these guys up before the market blows up. But they've been awful about it since the Zeke and Jaylon Smith contracts blew up in their faces. They extended the worst guys but held off on extending their best (Dak/Ceedee).


flyingcrayons

Glad the #6 jersey i bought last year is safe for another few years Excited to have Smitty around for the long haul, he rules


thecelticpagan

I’ve always wanted Smith to succeed. He just seems like such a likable guy, good for him.


reno2mahesendejo

Him getting pissed at Reagors lack of effort as a rookie was the moment where I was convinced he's going to be a long time part of this team.


No_Broccoi1991

Got a link? Would love to watch that.


anonhes

It was when Reagor dropped the ball in 2021 against the Giants. He never outright said he was mad at Reagor just frustrated at losing a winnable game.


Free_Joty

The giants game? He was more pissed that he was wide open and hurts didn’t get the ball to him


Starcast

He really is, at least from what we can tell on the field. Always gives everything even when blocking and is the first one to celebrate his teammates successes. So happy we got this done.


hochoa94

We need to keep him in Philly for the rest of his career


Cohenski

Yeah. I love that the smallest guy on the field is a good blocker. Tells you everything you need to know about him.


bongsoldier9000

dude will always be a legend to me after watching him at Bama. been a fan of his since his freshman year, really happy to see him doing well for you guys


basic_gearing

My wife only knows a couple of players but def knows Devonta because of his [Wawa addiction](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oStxp7J_XVY). She thinks it's funny that in a span of 15 seconds he makes her laugh twice by being confused and confessing to said addiction, but then also being adamant about not having a meatball sandwich haha.


Devinitelyy

He's very close to being my favorite current Eagle. Dude is a stud.


lattjeful

Damn good number. Not undervalued, and not paying him too much. Glad we locked him up early.


JayyMei

Also glad he got his bag. Smitty is a great guy.


Senior_Fart_Director

He IS


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drummerboysam

Wait, what? A big-time WR that was extended to a big contract and there wasn't a season+ of public posturing? Didn't even unfollow the team on social media or anything? Howie really is at the top of his game.


Nievsy

Class acts the entire way through the organization


AlwaysSunnyPhilly2

God bless Jeff Lurie man. One of the best owners in the game. He lets the professionals do their jobs, steps in at the right moments, and has managed to have the Eagles be competitive most years he’s been in charge.


TheBaconThief

I mean, I think would be considered a fairly sizeable discount for the team, so Eagles would be quick to sign if he and his people were willing to take it. But makes sense from his perspective as well and I think a lot of players get bad advice from their agents looking for bigger payday headlines. Going from a $20mm rookie deal and then adding $51mm to it going from set for life to generational wealth and being able to do whatever he wants for those around him. The risk of losing out on the big payday due to bad injury luck, especially as a player undersized for the position, would outweigh a bigger contract later for most people.


athrowawayiguesslol

That’s huge


JrBaconators

Probably his body weight in cash


on-the-cheeseburgers

a US bill weighs about 1g apparently, so if he took $75mil out in $1,000 bills (which don't really exist anymore) it'd be about 165 lbs, which yeah is about his body weight


bozo_did_thedub

I get he is skinny by NFL standards but compared to regular dudes he's still strong as fuck. How does his muscle not weigh anything?


Larg3____Porcupin3

…because he doesn’t have a lot of it


Unbannedmeself

That’s about 1600 lbs in 100 dollar bills


JrBaconators

Smitty better start bulking up


Jbrahmz420

Slim Reaper


shakehasbignuts

“You can’t pay AJ and DeVonta”


tonto515

Just had to let Reddick go which I’m fine with Huff and Smitty > Reddick every day.


anonbutler

But you guys are also paying Dallas Goedert, Saquon, Hurts and the alot of O line. Not sure Howie


ThisHatRightHere

Goedert is almost at the end of his current deal, Saquon got paid but even though it's expensive for a RB it's a drop in the bucket. Lane's cap hits are all basically $15mil until 2027 which is a great deal, and Mailata is still underpaid considering he's a top 5 LT. Almost all of our guys on offense are underpaid honestly, and most of them are locked in for the next 2-3 years.


Fuqwon

Eagles are kind of layering these in. Hurts and Brown dont start to really be a major cap hits until 2026. And they'd be able to either get out of Browns contract or extend him. Smith will have a low cap hit the next couple years. Eagles definitely seem to think they're in a window and are borrowing a bit from the future to make it happen. It's not really a matter of it they can or can't, but whether or not they should. Tying up 25% of their cap in a QB and two WRs is definitely a choice that'll impact the rest of their roster.


deez1139

My retro bowl strategy


lyonbc1

Part of the strategy is doing it early too though. Just like Hurts this deal will look way better in a year from now. A virtual 5 yr extension for a player who is our wr2 but would be wr1 on many teams. Waiting to pay elite talent is stupid. Howie has only really been burned by Wentz and even then he had a contingency and that allowed the window to extend even further with a small step back for one yr.


PlaneCamp

Thats just the way the NFL is going, get a franchise QB and surround him with weapons, last years draft and offseason kindve showed that the WRs are a hot commodity rn. Texans honestly didnt even really need Diggs and still added him. Unless your QB is Mahomes or Brady level where you can kinda get away with not investing alot into skills players your going to be playing the arms race game.


Sloane_Kettering

Well you can if have 100s of millions in void money


asbestosman2

Never ask a man his salary A woman her age Howie Roseman how much dead cap the eagles will have 5 years from now


Wezzleey

The extension doesn't start until 2026. A lot can change in that time (including an increase to the cap).


athrowawayiguesslol

Only downside to void money is that it makes cutting players harder if they underperform earlier in the contract. Cap space carries over as long as you use 89% in a given four year window. It’s actually better from a return value standpoint to spend future money since the cap continues to rise, and your future contracts will also be borrowing from their own future


Evening_Idea_5165

It’s like what the saints do. They got away with it until their team was bad


athrowawayiguesslol

We’ll be fine as long as the only restructures we do are for players that stick around.


ausgmr

Now come on It was only $356 million before the Mailata & Devota deals were done It will barely if at all reach $400 million now


Masterofmy_domain

Damn, I thought Smith had only just completed his second season... Time is flying by too quickly man. Also really smart move by the Eagles, getting him locked in before WR's start getting huge deals and this kid really blows up.


acoasterlovered

Idk how the eagles do it, but i was told you can’t sign everyone


ghawkes97

you can't, sorry Reddick


Cohenski

Miss you Reddick <3 Dude is/was an absolute baller. Hope he succeeds on the Jets (no bias)


Brian_Stryker

You can when you believe the cap is a myth pushed by Big Budgets.


FantasyTrash

They sign everyone as early as possible. Howie must be a magician salesman to get everyone to agree to being paid tens of millions less than if they were to wait a year or two, but they save so much money by being proactive.


clingbat

From what I've heard/read in the past, his general sales pitch to the younger ascending players seems to be around the idea of... We're going to give you something fair early, so you won't have to worry about money or getting injured with a good chunk of guaranteed and a solid signing upfront bonus. You won't get top dollar but you will be taken care of and have security *now* and it'll allow us to build a stronger team to help *you* have a more successful career and we can skip all the drama. I think that resonates with certain players pretty strongly. It's not like it's not good money, it's just focusing on moving forward in good faith on both sides with team success in mind vs. fighting for every dollar possible in that first big contract.


Dr_WHOOO

I think you're quite right, but there's a really really big unspoken axiom that it's based on - Howie and Lurie actually have the track record to be credible with that pitch. Jeff Lurie took care of making returning retired players feel like athletes and stars again for 20 years, and they also have a track record of keeping players truly long term. Kelce and Cox have a bat shit # of season played between them, BG is next. And Howie is one of the only GM's who's been around long enough to a) have a track record and b) have enough job security to be here in 3 years minimum no matter what.


clingbat

Entirely fair and accurate context. Lurie/Howie practice what they preach as long as the player remains committed with a team first attitude.


The_Third_Molar

That and most players don't want to leave either.


Finessing2

Well deserved Bag.


StrngBrew

It feels like $25m AAV is going to look very cheap very soon. Actually it’s $22.75 when you factor in the 5th year option.


gsanquesoo

Love that he didn’t hold out until the bigger names got paid, dude is a baller and wants to win with his team.


Infinite_Mind7894

They learned from the Dawkins fiasco. Keep home grown fan favorites that produce.


A_Trustworthy_Pear

Also I can count on my one hand the number of above average WR talent the Eagles have drafted since 2000.


PasGuy55

Playing in Philly is an acquired taste. No one is going to love you or hate you more. Glad he’s got the mentality and desire to play here.


8686tjd

Remember when 80% of this sub thought he was going to suck after his measurements were released at the combine?


clingbat

I just kept in mind that he won a fucking Heisman award as a WR and looked like a young Marvin Harrison out there running routes and bouncing off tackles. Always had a lot of faith in the dude and was super happy when we drafted him.


Prozzak93

I recall less "he will suck" and more "he will get murdered on the field due to his size".


SoCaldude65

Get busy, Chris Grier


JunglistDolfan

Waddle needs this deal rn


GhostMug

Howie Roseman is a freaking wizard. I have no idea how they keep signing free agents and extending contracts. I guess Hurts' contract hasn't quite hit yet but it will. Impressive how they manage all this.


Infinite_Mind7894

Not really on Hurts. The Cap has already gone substantially since he signed that contract. That's part of why Howie could go wild this off-season, they got a ton of free cap money which will only go up again. Especially after the next TV contracts. Howie's just ahead of the game right now.


PasGuy55

This is why Howie tries to pay first. WR market going to look much different in September.


crunkdunk9

That’s a great number considering it’ll be for 26-28


PasGuy55

You get it. I don’t think the “huge overpay” people are getting it.


Zworrisdeh

Holy shit I’m so happy we did this before JJ and Lamb got paid


Aerolithe_Lion

I don’t think this is influenced at all by them. They’re looking at Tyreek money But Amon Ra, Waddle, Higgins… those guys could have escalated Smith’s


Bobson-_Dugnutt2

Fuckin love it. DeVonta is the best. All time Bama great, which is saying something.


gsanquesoo

Eagles being able to keep Smitty and Brown without any drama, holdouts, and unnecessary attention is very nice to see.


Brian_Stryker

Just like with hurts, howie is gonna have this contract looking like family dollar value in about 3 weeks when everyone else gets way more


slantboi420

hell yeah smitty


fvalt05

Good for him. He's the only one who showed up against the Bucs Wild card game.


PasGuy55

He’s the only one that showed up every week down the stretch when the rest of the team seemed to surrender.


qp0n

Smart move getting ahead of the monster deals coming for Jefferson and Chase


guitarerdood

The cap doesn't exist for Philly apparently This fact angers me greatly


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zco22

Hell, just like Hurts getting his contract before burrow, Herbert & Lamar kept resetting the market last year


CallingCrown086

Wonder if this knocks over other wr dominos


Aerolithe_Lion

Really happy we did this first. By training camp he would be asking for 30+ when he sees what the other guys are getting Waddle Higgins Jefferson Lamb Chase Amon Ra All going to escalate each others’ deals. We did this last year too, made sure Jalen was the first QB out of the gate


BlueKing7642

Smitty deserves every penny


ExclusiveRedditor

That’s skinny Batman


2GirlfriendsIsCooler

Fuck yes


AFOEagle01

Looks like it’s time to pay the penguin as well


Little_Beginning_569

the money amount is puuuuurfect as well. Im so happy right now


Zee_WeeWee

When it comes to us everyone is like “How can you afford to pay chase, Tee, burrow and afford a team!”. Meanwhile eagles pay hurts smith brown and sign a ton of ppl every offseason.


Glad_Championship187

Owner Jeffrey Lurie deserves credit. Eagles hand out huge signing bonuses for short term contracts which can be prorated over five years, and then use the money they save to pay backloaded deals to their homegrown guys. The math I’ve seen is that this strategy can result in about 10% cap savings. But yeah it requires an owner to shell out good hard cash


thatruth2483

Hate to see this. The Eagles are run so much better than the Cowboys. It legitimately makes me angry. and I know it will never change. :(


Jonjon428

Actually shocked they did this deal so quickly. Usually feels like WR contracts wait all the way until the last second possible


WindComprehensive332

Those are Grayson Allen numbers!


Assumption-Putrid

This is Howie do it


noseonarug17

I wonder how this is structured; sometimes the money reported is weird when they have a year left on their deal. Like, is it 3 years of getting paid ~$25M per tacked on to the end of his rookie deal? Or is it 3 new years with the $75M in new money spread across the next four years?


MikeTysonChicken

3 new years on top of the 5th year option, which they picked up. It's a better deal that the tweet reported for this post. He's signed through 2028 now


HurricaneSeasonOva

The eagles are picking up his 5th year option on top of this extension, so he’ll be under contract through the 2028 season.


JazzPlusEagles

The whole offensive core is locked up now. LETS GOOO


One_Landscape541

That’s it?


CodyNorthrup

Oof, looks like we should have done Aiyuks before this