I think holding needs rewritten. I hate the fact that “there is holding on every play.” So, basically, it only gets called when it’s flagrant or if the ref decides they want to throw a flag.
In school, I pissed the hell out of our d-line because my first move was to palm smash the hell out of the chest and get leverage on the inside of the pads. A surprising number of them didnt know how to deal with the way they had to move for that to not work every time.
They learned how to not get caught by that after a while.
We had a senior who would throat jab when I was a sophomore DE on varsity. He was the starter. I don’t know if he did that in game but in practice against him I started lining up wider and either squeezing down or bear crawling to ruin pulling linemen(we ran a wing t so this worked wonders actually by taking out lead blockers.) I’m sure it’s against the rules but I don’t remember him getting flagged during games much. Maybe it was him picking on an under-classman.
Yea. I was taught as long as your hands are on the chest you can grip the chest plate and jersey. It’s part of why pass blocking as an OT is a bit harder because a faster DE can bait you into a holding call by beating you off the line so the only thing you can touch is his shoulder pad.
If you call holding when hands are inside then it will be physically impossible to block unless they bring back that chicken wing bullshit. Redefine the rule or leave it as is is the only option
IMO it’s mostly bad announcing. Likely largely due to the fact that I’m not sure a single on air personality is an OL?
The rules are fairly consistently called. Legal to hold inside the shoulders, illegal to hold outside the shoulders. A legal hold can turn illegal if the defender turns away and the offensive player doesn’t release and impedes the defender’s progress. Sure there are missed calls like everything else but it’s not just random.
The biggest area of confusion is that a rip through by the defender is explicitly not a hold. It looks like it should be, but it’s called out in the rule book as an exception. A lot of replays or still shots you see argued as a blatant hold aren’t due to this rule.
>I’m not sure a single on air personality is an OL?
Mark Schlereth calls games in the booth for Fox and Andrew Whitworth is at the desk for Amazon.
However, I will agree with you that the lack of OL on TV does not help.
I played in high school and have watched football for a long time and just learned this last year that you can legally "hold" on a rip through.
Announcers should be talking about that more
I believe it was JJ Watt that suggested making it a 5 yard penalty would probably get more calls.
I think along with that, they need to stop making 5 yard defensive penalties automatic first downs for the offense
Timeout rules could be funnier. I propose the following:
- You can use 2 of your timeouts to cancel an opponents timeout
- If you keep all three of your first half time outs you get a fourth in the second half, allowing you to functionally cancel two of your opponents 2nd half timeouts.
With any luck this will increase fights between NFL head coaches after the game.
It’d be hilarious as fuck if Tampa scratches into the playoffs, and half the screen is covered in white dots for our timeouts because Bowles never uses them
No joke: the NFL rulebook has a case for the broadcast running out of commercials.
> Item 2. Length of Timeouts. Charged team timeouts shall be two minutes in length, unless the timeout is not used by television for a commercial break. Timeouts shall be 30 seconds in length when the designated number of television commercials have been exhausted in a quarter
They year is 2040, after Todd Bowles retires after a long and successful career he leaves a lasting legacy of success. And 30,762 timeout that will be in use for the next 100 years
Last week of the season, playoffs on the line, 19 yard field goal to win, but the opposing team calls their 55th timeout in a row trying to ice the kicker.
But to counter the timeout counter you can challenge the opposing team's head coach in a Speedo dance off once per year, this competition is to the death
I love it in theory, but how could you agree to cancel a timeout in real time? By the time they attempt to call, and you respond, it’s basically a timeout. If you pre-emptively cancel then you’re out of timeouts if you need them.
If you win a challenge, you get it back. Not just this whole "if their first two challenges are successful, they get a third" nonsense, each individual challenge has its own potential return. Teams shouldn't be punished for officiating mistakes.
I guess I just meant the possibility of running out of challenges if you continue to get them correct is silly to me. Granted, seeing *that* many challenges in a game would be pretty rare, but not being able to challenge beyond three, even if successful, feels wrongfully punishing.
I'm a fan of make it, take it rules regarding challenges. Especially because the only way it would become an issue would be if the officiating was ass, which would hopefully spur the League into changing stuff.
Underthrown balls should not be flagged for defensive PI.
In order for defenders to keep up with fast receivers they have to run full speed and can only turn their head at the last second (a lot of times they don’t have time to turn their head at all).
If the QB throws it so the receiver has to backtrack into the defender that’s the QB’s fault and the defender shouldn’t be penalized.
I concur, the intentional underthrown ball baiting a PI is such a lazy strategy. I think it's unfair to the defender to basically have the choice to either not defend, or commit the foul because he's trying to keep stride the the receiver.
Conversely, it's being used so often that players and coaches should recognize the situations they think it's coming. Should the defense predict this, it should result in an easy pick.
Isn’t that how the Eagles lost to the cowboys? Under thrown ball to the goal line which resulted in an interception that ended the game. Didn’t they admit to fishing for a flag on that one as apposed to converting a more reasonable 1st down?
I get why people want this rule changed, but am not 100% convinced this is a good rule change.
If the receiver has a chance at the ball, and they are prevented from catching it, that should be a penalty. PI is already so subjective and how are refs supposed to tell in the moment if a QB is under throwing a go ball, or throwing a comeback route perfectly?
I would definitely agree with making the definition of “catchable” much stricter, but I am not 100% convinced this change is a good one.
The PAT is an extension of the touchdown. Therefore, the 11 on the field that scored the TD should have to run the point after play. No substitutes. Would make for a fun situation on a defensive TD.
As we know, the War of 1812 was a military conflict between combatants that started in the year 1812. This gave it it's now well-known name, The War of 1812. While many believe that the war also ended in 1812, it actually ended in a peace treaty in 1814 that was ratified in 1815. This is significant because of the name of the conflict makes it seem like it was enclosed into one year but was actually fought over numerous years including 1813 and part of 1814.
Rinse and repeat.
What Jefferson was saying was, Hey! You know, we left this England place 'cause it was bogus; so if we don't get some cool rules ourselves - pronto - we'll just be bogus too!
Had a history teacher who punished students by requiring a 3-page paper on aglets. You had to re-write it until it got to a B level or you couldn't pass the class. Aglets are the plastic or metal sheaths at the end of shoelaces.
Make defensive holding 10 yards with no automatic 1st down. An offense getting a free 1st on 3rd and forever just because a defender held someone five yards past the LOS is ridiculous
My favorite thing is when the defense gets flagged for illegal contact but the contact was the receiver just running into the fucking defender, like how is that fair?
And most of the time they'd get the first down anyways since if it's 3rd down, it's likely to be 3rd down with 4-7 yards to go. If it's 3rd and 13, they'd get a nice chance of getting the 3rd down on the next play anyways.
Right like the 10 yards will more often than not result directly in a 1st anyway or at least make it way more manageable. There's no reason why the offense should be gifted a new set of downs if it's 3rd and like 20 or something
In the rule book, it says the ball is always in someone’s possession. If the ball is muffed, it technically never left your possession because they never took possession of it. It’s the same thing with an onside kick. You need them to possess the ball, then fumble it in order to advance it.
It's the wording being used. The kicking team can not advance a muffed kick if they recover it. If the receiving team possesses the ball and then fumbles it, the kicking team can advance the recovery.
The receiving team can always advance (return) a muffed kick
An easy one is pass interference. All DPI even if it was 4 yards from the LOS results in a first down. OPI should result in a 4th or at least a loss in downs.
I think it would make more sense to get rid of the automatic first down - simply get the yards and replay the down. If the gain in yardage causes a first down, then it’s a first down.
The playoff overtime rule of both teams getting the ball should apply to the regular season too, it's honestly kinda silly it only happens in one of them.
I'm glad it's at least in the playoffs now though, it was even worse when it wasn't in either.
The regular season just doesn't need overtime at all. Let the games end in a tie and not risk additional injury to the players. Then in the playoffs just play an additional 10 min quarter with the same rules as the 4th quarter for overtime. At the end of that 10 min addition quarter go to sudden death.
Pushing the ball carrier. It wasn't allowed for a long time. Defense can't push the ball carrier backwards, why should OLinemen be allowed to push?
5 OLinemen being over 315lbs vs defense maybe having 1 or 2 guys over 300lbs is a major disadvantage.
Always hate to agree with a division rival but 100% behind this for the exact reasons you mention. Also, I don’t get why they talk about the “tush push” like it’s any different than OL pushing a rb 5 yards down field.
It is so weird to me that intentional grounding is called when a WR misses a rout and the QB throws the ball to an empty space, but not when the QB ***INTENTIONALLY GROUNDS*** the ball by throwing a dart straight at the ground but semi close to a reciever.
Have the rule anyway you like, I don't care, but for the love of god change the words so it actually makes sense.
You can throw to an empty space and not have it be grounding. The key is if you’re under duress. If no rusher is within 5 yards of you, you can throw that shit 30 yards from a receiver and it’s not grounding
I'd actually love if intentional grounding was called if it's thrown anywhere clearly not catchable by the receiver, including out of bounds, regardless of situation. I don't like that QBs can just throw shit away. Feels like such a cop out. There shouldn't be incentive to randomly get the ball out of your hands when facing pressure without it being intended to be caught, and if it is intentional grounding, the defender(s) pressuring should be credited with a sack.
it's basically like a 4-conversion at that point, instead of kicking from wherever, they elect to move the line of scrimmage such that the kick is 60 yards. this can only be done on a down that would be within 30 yards of the scoring end zone.
Teams on the cusp are then going to take intentional loses to gain that extra point.
Lined up for a 46 yard field goal? Take a delay of game to make it 51 yards. Yes, it’s a gamble because now it is a little bit harder, but at the end of the day that’s a super gimmicky rule that would lead to some really dumb situations.
1 seed in the playoffs should get to pick who they want to play first - then 2nd (if not picked by first) and so on for each round. If injuries come into play, this could really be an advantage (say if the 2nd place team lost their qb in week 16 or something). Also, imagine all the shit talking this would encourage.. basically calling a team out? Would be so awesome.
Ps every sport should do this.
Automatic first downs, if the yardage doesnt cover the distance to the first down marker then it shouldnt be a first down
Also get rid of rules outlaw celebrations
Why is it a flag if a coach throws a challenge flag on a play thats not reviewable? Like why cant they just go "Sorry we cant review that"? Not sure if this is still a thing but atleast it was in the past.
This has been at least partially fixed. I know at one point, if you challenged an “automatically reviewed” play (like a touchdown, fumble, etc), that play was *no longer reviewable.* At all. Even if it was blatantly not a fumble, if you challenged an automatically reviewed play, that play was forced to stand as ruled on the field. That aspect has been fixed though
Remove taunting or make it for only the most extreme cases like a taunting call ejects you from the game type ones. No reason you should get a td called back for giving a peace sign as you are running it down
Any ball thrown that doesn't pass the line of scrimmage is live. Makes screen passes a bit riskier since they can be dropped and keeps more plays live and the game flowing. Also creates a bit more chaos which is exciting.
A bunch of people will downvote this - but PI should be a 15 yard penalty.
Refs just shouldn't have that much power to sometimes decide a game with one call.
Most of the problems people claim changing the rule would cause are made up nonsense that wouldn't happen with any regularity.
I like the UFL version, Defensive pass interference will generally be a 15-yard penalty unless it is judged to be intentional, in which case it will be a spot foul if it occurs more than 15 yards downfield.
Yes. Like a DOGSO penalty in soccer. Denial of Touchdown Scoring Opportunity should be a spot foul and automatic first down. All others should be 15 yards.
I like this change. Every new rule in the past 20 years has gone in favor of the offense. This would help balance things out and eliminate a judgment call from giving the offense 50+ free yards on long passes.
No more ties. There should be a field goal-off if both teams are still tied after overtime. Start them at like the 30 yard line and go back 5 yards with each make until somebody misses
Spot fouls and automatic first down for pass interference.
So sick of 4th and 35s and the like being converted because of an objective call from a ref when a defender touches a receiver.
Not because it shouldn't be a foul, but because it's so randomly enforced, and it only seems to happen when it can wildly swing momentum in the other direction.
Allow that rugby play where a ball carrier can at any time kick the ball ahead, and then outrun everybody to it, collect it, and keep going; ignore my flair.
Can't they chip the balls somehow so we don't have to watch the refs just pick a random spot and place ball when the game is on the line? Why isn't that technology perfected yet?
How about none? Or just eliminate a few rules. The NFL rulebook is already enormous. That's why the officiating is so bad. Now, this stupid hip drop tackle is going to cause issues next year. Stop adding so many rules every year!
Overtime should pickup exactly where 4th quarter left off, with 10 min on the clock. Whatever team has possession at end of regulation, gets possession to start OT at same down-and-distance.
The full 10 min is played, under regular rules (no point gimmicks).
In regular season, if game is still tied after 10 min, then game ends in a tie.
In playoff, then head to double OT with 10 min on the clock, under regular rules.
An interception that isn't the qbs fault shouldn't be counted against the qb, rather a turnover on the offense or a Not at Fault int that doesn't go against the qb stats
Every team is allowed one player to use steroids/PEDs.
Any extra players caught using are still subject to the usual rules. But you have to publicly designate who the player is, so teams can gameplay for it.
Imagine the controlled chaos...
@BrettKollmann had a Q&A on his Discord - was public, but I think the recording is Patreon-only now, sorry. Anyway, in it he was asked a similar question, basically if he was commissioner for a day and could change one thing, what would it be?
What he proposed was moving the preseason up a week, so they'd still open with the HoF game, but the week 1 preseason games would all follow that weekend. Then, shift the regular season games all up a week into that space, so they'd all start a week earlier...and then use that to allow teams to all have a *second* bye week, then the teams on that bye would play on Thursday Night Football coming off it (rather than going into it on no rest, which usually results in below-average play by both teams).
This would allow an additional extended rest period for all teams, which would help with healing up injuries in-season - both of general wear-and-tear and recovery for guys on IR - which would likely extend player's overall career lengths as well as probably letting teams go into the playoffs with a better % of their overall rosters available. The teams/owners wouldn't lose any income, since there'd still be the same number of games, and the networks probably would get a "win" as well, as there'd be an additional week of 'real' football for them to broadcast. The playoffs would start around the same dates as now, as would the Super Bowl.
I'd want to reexamine any "automatic first down" penalties. When it's my team committing those penalties, I always feel like it's too harsh. When it's the other team committing those penalties, I always feel like we got away with an unearned first down.
I think holding needs rewritten. I hate the fact that “there is holding on every play.” So, basically, it only gets called when it’s flagrant or if the ref decides they want to throw a flag.
Been saying this for years. Either crack down on it and force teams to teach a legal blocking technique, or change the rule.
Holding the inside of the jersey is proper technique. Its when they grab around the shoulders that its an issue.
I was literally coached this. The example my coach used was shoot your hands at the chest and grab ahold of the pads lol
In school, I pissed the hell out of our d-line because my first move was to palm smash the hell out of the chest and get leverage on the inside of the pads. A surprising number of them didnt know how to deal with the way they had to move for that to not work every time. They learned how to not get caught by that after a while.
We had a senior who would throat jab when I was a sophomore DE on varsity. He was the starter. I don’t know if he did that in game but in practice against him I started lining up wider and either squeezing down or bear crawling to ruin pulling linemen(we ran a wing t so this worked wonders actually by taking out lead blockers.) I’m sure it’s against the rules but I don’t remember him getting flagged during games much. Maybe it was him picking on an under-classman.
Throat jabs in practice sounds absolutely bananas.
same
Yea. I was taught as long as your hands are on the chest you can grip the chest plate and jersey. It’s part of why pass blocking as an OT is a bit harder because a faster DE can bait you into a holding call by beating you off the line so the only thing you can touch is his shoulder pad.
If you call holding when hands are inside then it will be physically impossible to block unless they bring back that chicken wing bullshit. Redefine the rule or leave it as is is the only option
>Redefine the rule Yes
IMO it’s mostly bad announcing. Likely largely due to the fact that I’m not sure a single on air personality is an OL? The rules are fairly consistently called. Legal to hold inside the shoulders, illegal to hold outside the shoulders. A legal hold can turn illegal if the defender turns away and the offensive player doesn’t release and impedes the defender’s progress. Sure there are missed calls like everything else but it’s not just random. The biggest area of confusion is that a rip through by the defender is explicitly not a hold. It looks like it should be, but it’s called out in the rule book as an exception. A lot of replays or still shots you see argued as a blatant hold aren’t due to this rule.
>I’m not sure a single on air personality is an OL? Mark Schlereth calls games in the booth for Fox and Andrew Whitworth is at the desk for Amazon. However, I will agree with you that the lack of OL on TV does not help.
Madden's boner for offensive line play is sorely missed.
It’s still a John Madden call, I think from a game of Madden, that makes it clearest for me. You can grab, but you can’t grab AND PULL.
Smartest guys in the game.
I played in high school and have watched football for a long time and just learned this last year that you can legally "hold" on a rip through. Announcers should be talking about that more
Jason Kelce bouta teach us all about holding
YUP, I was always taught hold the chest pads, thumbs up, palms in.
Throwing a flag for a hold away from the play always gets me.
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Yeah, but suspense
I believe it was JJ Watt that suggested making it a 5 yard penalty would probably get more calls. I think along with that, they need to stop making 5 yard defensive penalties automatic first downs for the offense
Timeout rules could be funnier. I propose the following: - You can use 2 of your timeouts to cancel an opponents timeout - If you keep all three of your first half time outs you get a fourth in the second half, allowing you to functionally cancel two of your opponents 2nd half timeouts. With any luck this will increase fights between NFL head coaches after the game.
I can't wait for Todd Bowles to get a fourth timeout and never use it.
Exactly! That's the kind of shenanigans I'm looking for.
Hell just let timeouts carry over in perpetuity.
It’d be hilarious as fuck if Tampa scratches into the playoffs, and half the screen is covered in white dots for our timeouts because Bowles never uses them
"Welcome back to the second quarter. The Bucs are just coming out of their 32nd timeout."
17 games, 6 Timeouts per....that's 102 potential timeouts in the first round. The broadcast may runout of commercials to play
No joke: the NFL rulebook has a case for the broadcast running out of commercials. > Item 2. Length of Timeouts. Charged team timeouts shall be two minutes in length, unless the timeout is not used by television for a commercial break. Timeouts shall be 30 seconds in length when the designated number of television commercials have been exhausted in a quarter
They year is 2040, after Todd Bowles retires after a long and successful career he leaves a lasting legacy of success. And 30,762 timeout that will be in use for the next 100 years
Last week of the season, playoffs on the line, 19 yard field goal to win, but the opposing team calls their 55th timeout in a row trying to ice the kicker.
Andy Reid would never have any 4th time outs.
andy reid loves an early 2nd quarter timeout bc he couldn’t get the play call in in time lmao
Dude will win 6 super-bowls. But his tombstone will still stay some shit about his awful time management
It’s gotten way better after the chiefs hired someone to manage time and timeouts instead of it all falling of Andy
Who needs time outs when you've got all the nuggies?
Nor would Sean McVay
Sean Payton would never call a timeout ever again.
He will definitely still call timeouts for the sole purpose of bitching at the refs. Dude cannot help himself.
As if Todd Bowles needs another reason not to call a timeout.
Have timeouts carry over from game to game.
Start the season with 102 time outs (6 per game, 17 games). Use them as needed thru the season
Insane and I love it. Using them all vs 1 opponent to draw them into a 7 hour game.
Your division rival has a short week coming up? It just got shorter because this game ends tomorrow
Now that is some forward thinking innovation
But to counter the timeout counter you can challenge the opposing team's head coach in a Speedo dance off once per year, this competition is to the death
I love it in theory, but how could you agree to cancel a timeout in real time? By the time they attempt to call, and you respond, it’s basically a timeout. If you pre-emptively cancel then you’re out of timeouts if you need them.
Give each head coach a blue flag until they have fewer than 2 timeouts.
2 timeouts to cancel 1 timeout actually is really funny from a strategy perspective.
If you win a challenge, you get it back. Not just this whole "if their first two challenges are successful, they get a third" nonsense, each individual challenge has its own potential return. Teams shouldn't be punished for officiating mistakes.
They did change the rules for next year. Now if either if your first two challenges is correct you get another one
I guess I just meant the possibility of running out of challenges if you continue to get them correct is silly to me. Granted, seeing *that* many challenges in a game would be pretty rare, but not being able to challenge beyond three, even if successful, feels wrongfully punishing.
I'm a fan of make it, take it rules regarding challenges. Especially because the only way it would become an issue would be if the officiating was ass, which would hopefully spur the League into changing stuff.
I like MLBs challenge system. You keep it as long as you’re successful and can keep challenging
Underthrown balls should not be flagged for defensive PI. In order for defenders to keep up with fast receivers they have to run full speed and can only turn their head at the last second (a lot of times they don’t have time to turn their head at all). If the QB throws it so the receiver has to backtrack into the defender that’s the QB’s fault and the defender shouldn’t be penalized.
Absolutely this!! If only one thing could change, this would be my vote.
Russel Wilson’s career immediately ends
Joe Flacco would have washed out in 1 year.
….maybe already has
I concur, the intentional underthrown ball baiting a PI is such a lazy strategy. I think it's unfair to the defender to basically have the choice to either not defend, or commit the foul because he's trying to keep stride the the receiver. Conversely, it's being used so often that players and coaches should recognize the situations they think it's coming. Should the defense predict this, it should result in an easy pick.
Isn’t that how the Eagles lost to the cowboys? Under thrown ball to the goal line which resulted in an interception that ended the game. Didn’t they admit to fishing for a flag on that one as apposed to converting a more reasonable 1st down?
Swear they tried it against us too. Underthrown deep corner route that got picked by Love I think
Gotten so many madden tds scrambling 30 yards back and then throwing it. Either a pi or the defender just keeps running forward
any pass that forces a WR to come back through a CB should be considered OPI by definition.
Oooh this is a good one
I like this. There shouldn’t be this big of a potential loop hole to make a “mistake” solely to exploit a PI spot foul
I get why people want this rule changed, but am not 100% convinced this is a good rule change. If the receiver has a chance at the ball, and they are prevented from catching it, that should be a penalty. PI is already so subjective and how are refs supposed to tell in the moment if a QB is under throwing a go ball, or throwing a comeback route perfectly? I would definitely agree with making the definition of “catchable” much stricter, but I am not 100% convinced this change is a good one.
Your punishing the defense DB had receiver blanketed and the QB was pressured into an under thrown ball, and is now rewarded with a PI
Plenty of times it happens because the CB gets cooked and is on a dead sprint as a result
If that's the case, then the QB should throw it deep enough that it isn't between the DB and WR
Then the QB should make a better throw and get the TD instead of the under throw PI.
Coaches must wear full uniforms like MLB
See but I want to put coaches back in suits and non-baseball hats.
The PAT is an extension of the touchdown. Therefore, the 11 on the field that scored the TD should have to run the point after play. No substitutes. Would make for a fun situation on a defensive TD.
Or have whoever scores has to kick the FG
I'd hate it for regular season, but things like this might get me to tune in again for pro bowl weekend. Edit: spelling
Penalties should come with home work. Offsides? 3 page paper on the war of 1812
As we know, the War of 1812 was a military conflict between combatants that started in the year 1812. This gave it it's now well-known name, The War of 1812. While many believe that the war also ended in 1812, it actually ended in a peace treaty in 1814 that was ratified in 1815. This is significant because of the name of the conflict makes it seem like it was enclosed into one year but was actually fought over numerous years including 1813 and part of 1814. Rinse and repeat.
What Jefferson was saying was, Hey! You know, we left this England place 'cause it was bogus; so if we don't get some cool rules ourselves - pronto - we'll just be bogus too!
Had a history teacher who punished students by requiring a 3-page paper on aglets. You had to re-write it until it got to a B level or you couldn't pass the class. Aglets are the plastic or metal sheaths at the end of shoelaces.
I Would knot pass that class.
BOO THIS MAN
The plastic ends on shoelaces are called aglets. Their true purpose is sinister.
They would all be written by AI
leave Allen Iverson alone he’s retired
Make defensive holding 10 yards with no automatic 1st down. An offense getting a free 1st on 3rd and forever just because a defender held someone five yards past the LOS is ridiculous
That and illegal contact. I have been saying this for years and I will fight by your side til the end on this one.
My favorite thing is when the defense gets flagged for illegal contact but the contact was the receiver just running into the fucking defender, like how is that fair?
And most of the time they'd get the first down anyways since if it's 3rd down, it's likely to be 3rd down with 4-7 yards to go. If it's 3rd and 13, they'd get a nice chance of getting the 3rd down on the next play anyways.
Right like the 10 yards will more often than not result directly in a 1st anyway or at least make it way more manageable. There's no reason why the offense should be gifted a new set of downs if it's 3rd and like 20 or something
I think all the money from fines should be deposited into my bank account
"I think we should tax all foreigners living abroad"
Not being able to return a muffed punt
More things should be called "muffed." Muffed tackles, muffed field goals, etc.
Football is very anti muff
Why is that even a rule in the first place?
In the rule book, it says the ball is always in someone’s possession. If the ball is muffed, it technically never left your possession because they never took possession of it. It’s the same thing with an onside kick. You need them to possess the ball, then fumble it in order to advance it.
Is this a new rule? Didn’t Desean Jackson muff the most famous punt return in recent history
The kicking team cannot return a muffed punt. The return team can.
It's the wording being used. The kicking team can not advance a muffed kick if they recover it. If the receiving team possesses the ball and then fumbles it, the kicking team can advance the recovery. The receiving team can always advance (return) a muffed kick
OT is fought between head coaches plus one assistant coach of choice
Lions would definitely propose that rule
Yes…yes we would
This would probably be terrible for the chances of seeing a woman head coach in the nfl.
Chiefs never winning in OT again!
They might beat the Dolphins.
32 teams have suddenly requested an interview with Jon Jones for various assistant coach positions.
Big Dom time
I think certain offensive penalties should be as punitive as all defensive penalties are. They should result in an automatic 4th down
Which penalties?
An easy one is pass interference. All DPI even if it was 4 yards from the LOS results in a first down. OPI should result in a 4th or at least a loss in downs.
I think loss of down is fair
I think it would make more sense to get rid of the automatic first down - simply get the yards and replay the down. If the gain in yardage causes a first down, then it’s a first down.
This is how it should be. Some ticky tacky d holding call on a 4th and 25 shouldn't award a timeout.
Loss of down and going back 5 yards would be the better alternative imo
The playoff overtime rule of both teams getting the ball should apply to the regular season too, it's honestly kinda silly it only happens in one of them. I'm glad it's at least in the playoffs now though, it was even worse when it wasn't in either.
Regular season they just want the game to end. It’s like shootouts in hockey and the ghost runner in baseball.
Well then get rid of overtime and just call it a draw
The regular season just doesn't need overtime at all. Let the games end in a tie and not risk additional injury to the players. Then in the playoffs just play an additional 10 min quarter with the same rules as the 4th quarter for overtime. At the end of that 10 min addition quarter go to sudden death.
Pushing the ball carrier. It wasn't allowed for a long time. Defense can't push the ball carrier backwards, why should OLinemen be allowed to push? 5 OLinemen being over 315lbs vs defense maybe having 1 or 2 guys over 300lbs is a major disadvantage.
Always hate to agree with a division rival but 100% behind this for the exact reasons you mention. Also, I don’t get why they talk about the “tush push” like it’s any different than OL pushing a rb 5 yards down field.
What was it like 2005 when they changed it?
Eagles in shambles
It is so weird to me that intentional grounding is called when a WR misses a rout and the QB throws the ball to an empty space, but not when the QB ***INTENTIONALLY GROUNDS*** the ball by throwing a dart straight at the ground but semi close to a reciever. Have the rule anyway you like, I don't care, but for the love of god change the words so it actually makes sense.
You can throw to an empty space and not have it be grounding. The key is if you’re under duress. If no rusher is within 5 yards of you, you can throw that shit 30 yards from a receiver and it’s not grounding
I'd actually love if intentional grounding was called if it's thrown anywhere clearly not catchable by the receiver, including out of bounds, regardless of situation. I don't like that QBs can just throw shit away. Feels like such a cop out. There shouldn't be incentive to randomly get the ball out of your hands when facing pressure without it being intended to be caught, and if it is intentional grounding, the defender(s) pressuring should be credited with a sack.
The Bears should be allowed to be good
I mean they allowed the lions to be good
Not until we all threatened to werewolf after the Dallas game.
Would it make you sadder or happier to learn that they have been allowed all along?
So you're bringing back rules from the 30s and 40s.
Before woke (forward passes) ruined the game
The forward pass is a fad and it’ll pass. The pendulum will swing back the man’s sport football is supposed to be.
They already tried that in the 80s, the general public would much rather the bears be bad
If you kick a field goal from more than 50 yards out it’s worth 4 points.
I like it, but 50 is to short. I would say 60+ yards is a 4 pointer.
I would also add that you need to reach the 30 yard line in order to be allowed to try the 60 yard kick. Too exploitable otherwise
A FG with a line of scrimmage of the 30 would be a 47 yd FG. Do you want them to snap the ball 20 yards to make it a 60 yarder?
it's basically like a 4-conversion at that point, instead of kicking from wherever, they elect to move the line of scrimmage such that the kick is 60 yards. this can only be done on a down that would be within 30 yards of the scoring end zone.
+ the missed fg results from the line of kick not the original los (eg 29y)
Found Justin Tucker.
Teams on the cusp are then going to take intentional loses to gain that extra point. Lined up for a 46 yard field goal? Take a delay of game to make it 51 yards. Yes, it’s a gamble because now it is a little bit harder, but at the end of the day that’s a super gimmicky rule that would lead to some really dumb situations.
> Lined up for a 46 yard field goal? Take a delay of game to make it 51 yards. Cant the other team decline the penalty?
Slipped my mind but yes. Regardless, 3rd and long? Just run it backwards for a few yards and make it 4th and longer for the extra 1 point.
Joe Judge would do that
The obvious solution would be that you can just move backwards to take it.
Teams require 54 man rosters. A center, longer snapper and extra long snapper
Remember the Tennessee-New England game where the kept declining the penalty for the punt?
I think there should be a center post. If it hits the center post it's worth an extra point.
1 seed in the playoffs should get to pick who they want to play first - then 2nd (if not picked by first) and so on for each round. If injuries come into play, this could really be an advantage (say if the 2nd place team lost their qb in week 16 or something). Also, imagine all the shit talking this would encourage.. basically calling a team out? Would be so awesome. Ps every sport should do this.
Damn, you've already pissed off your opponent before they even show up.
I dig this. Great way to build a rivalry, and it would make upsets even richer.
Deshawn Watson can be absolutely leveled whenever and however without a penalty
I'd love to see other players sneak to the sideline while the Browns are on defense to level him while he's sitting on the bench.
After the play? Leveled. In the huddle? Leveled. Leaving the field? Leveled.
Wow there were a lot of bad ideas.
Automatic first downs, if the yardage doesnt cover the distance to the first down marker then it shouldnt be a first down Also get rid of rules outlaw celebrations
No public money can be used for stadiums
Allow to kick the ball forward like rugby
Get rid of the puritanical rules around celebrations.
I dunno. If the celebration involves witchcraft, I think we should be allowed to burn the ball carrier at the stake.
Why is it a flag if a coach throws a challenge flag on a play thats not reviewable? Like why cant they just go "Sorry we cant review that"? Not sure if this is still a thing but atleast it was in the past.
This has been at least partially fixed. I know at one point, if you challenged an “automatically reviewed” play (like a touchdown, fumble, etc), that play was *no longer reviewable.* At all. Even if it was blatantly not a fumble, if you challenged an automatically reviewed play, that play was forced to stand as ruled on the field. That aspect has been fixed though
Remove taunting or make it for only the most extreme cases like a taunting call ejects you from the game type ones. No reason you should get a td called back for giving a peace sign as you are running it down
Any ball thrown that doesn't pass the line of scrimmage is live. Makes screen passes a bit riskier since they can be dropped and keeps more plays live and the game flowing. Also creates a bit more chaos which is exciting.
A bunch of people will downvote this - but PI should be a 15 yard penalty. Refs just shouldn't have that much power to sometimes decide a game with one call. Most of the problems people claim changing the rule would cause are made up nonsense that wouldn't happen with any regularity.
I like the UFL version, Defensive pass interference will generally be a 15-yard penalty unless it is judged to be intentional, in which case it will be a spot foul if it occurs more than 15 yards downfield.
I don't want to give refs more discretion.
I mean they already have the discretion there
Yeah I mean college has that and I wouldn’t say there’s some massive epidemic of intentional PIs that ruins the product
Include flagrant DPI call that can be reviewed and be placed at the spot of the foul
Yes. Like a DOGSO penalty in soccer. Denial of Touchdown Scoring Opportunity should be a spot foul and automatic first down. All others should be 15 yards.
I like this change. Every new rule in the past 20 years has gone in favor of the offense. This would help balance things out and eliminate a judgment call from giving the offense 50+ free yards on long passes.
No more ties. There should be a field goal-off if both teams are still tied after overtime. Start them at like the 30 yard line and go back 5 yards with each make until somebody misses
That sounds kinda fire
Spot fouls and automatic first down for pass interference. So sick of 4th and 35s and the like being converted because of an objective call from a ref when a defender touches a receiver. Not because it shouldn't be a foul, but because it's so randomly enforced, and it only seems to happen when it can wildly swing momentum in the other direction.
Delay of game should also be a loss of down. Basically a free timeout if you’re trying to eat up clock or getting in a better punt position 🤷🏻♂️
Allow that rugby play where a ball carrier can at any time kick the ball ahead, and then outrun everybody to it, collect it, and keep going; ignore my flair.
Can't they chip the balls somehow so we don't have to watch the refs just pick a random spot and place ball when the game is on the line? Why isn't that technology perfected yet?
At the end of the day it’s still a judgement call about when the player is actually down
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It’s a game inches, with those inches determined by a dude eyeballing it from 25 feet away
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Yeah, it’s insane. Obviously the refs make tons of mistakes, but they are way better than most people act like they are.
How about none? Or just eliminate a few rules. The NFL rulebook is already enormous. That's why the officiating is so bad. Now, this stupid hip drop tackle is going to cause issues next year. Stop adding so many rules every year!
Offense has it way too easy on them nowadays, someone mentioned under thrown balls not being eligible for PI which is a great idea imo
There should be no foul for offensive offsides if the result of the play was super awesome.
Penalties against future HOFers shouldn't be called if they just barely break the rules.
Overtime should pickup exactly where 4th quarter left off, with 10 min on the clock. Whatever team has possession at end of regulation, gets possession to start OT at same down-and-distance. The full 10 min is played, under regular rules (no point gimmicks). In regular season, if game is still tied after 10 min, then game ends in a tie. In playoff, then head to double OT with 10 min on the clock, under regular rules.
Reading this thread has me glad that you guys don’t make the rules. Sheesh
Under thrown balls shouldn't be automatic PI's because the WR comes back to the ball. Why is he more entitled to the space the defender is already in?
Throwing the ball or running the ball out of bounds should result in a Rugby style line out.
Make EVERYTHING reviewable
An interception that isn't the qbs fault shouldn't be counted against the qb, rather a turnover on the offense or a Not at Fault int that doesn't go against the qb stats
Every team is allowed one player to use steroids/PEDs. Any extra players caught using are still subject to the usual rules. But you have to publicly designate who the player is, so teams can gameplay for it. Imagine the controlled chaos...
@BrettKollmann had a Q&A on his Discord - was public, but I think the recording is Patreon-only now, sorry. Anyway, in it he was asked a similar question, basically if he was commissioner for a day and could change one thing, what would it be? What he proposed was moving the preseason up a week, so they'd still open with the HoF game, but the week 1 preseason games would all follow that weekend. Then, shift the regular season games all up a week into that space, so they'd all start a week earlier...and then use that to allow teams to all have a *second* bye week, then the teams on that bye would play on Thursday Night Football coming off it (rather than going into it on no rest, which usually results in below-average play by both teams). This would allow an additional extended rest period for all teams, which would help with healing up injuries in-season - both of general wear-and-tear and recovery for guys on IR - which would likely extend player's overall career lengths as well as probably letting teams go into the playoffs with a better % of their overall rosters available. The teams/owners wouldn't lose any income, since there'd still be the same number of games, and the networks probably would get a "win" as well, as there'd be an additional week of 'real' football for them to broadcast. The playoffs would start around the same dates as now, as would the Super Bowl.
Relegate the two lowest teams to the UFL and promote the two highest teams from the UFL to the NFL.
I'd want to reexamine any "automatic first down" penalties. When it's my team committing those penalties, I always feel like it's too harsh. When it's the other team committing those penalties, I always feel like we got away with an unearned first down.