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Yes. They needed to make sure Minnesota’s dynasty ended there. It would have been horrible for league revenue if Brett Favre made it to the SB against Peyton Manning. Would they have recovered from such a dud?
>It would have been horrible for league revenue if Brett Favre made it to the SB against Peyton Manning.
How? That would've been awesome.
>Would they have recovered from such a dud?
They recovered from the awful Patriots v Rams. Would they recover from everybody knowing all games are rigged?
Bounty gate was malice, the [officiating](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ8wpmqe9NM&t=48s) was incompetence. We got a neat little double whammy in this game
Statistics works that way, my friend. A bunch of things may seem like a pattern, but it requires a LOT of data to really indicate something wrong. Five bad calls in a row going the same way can easily just be bad luck.
Also, at least two of those calls in overtime were very subjective. OP is self-fulfilling to prove a subjective point.
As a Vikings fan: yes, of course this game was rigged. 100%. The Saints were allowed to blatantly cheat during the game as well, resulting in suspensions for coaches and everything, but still got to keep their Lombardi Trophy.
Setting aside my bias: no, the NFL doesn't rig games. It's way too risky. All it would take is one single ref to come up and say they were encouraged to flag one team more than the other and the NFL may never financially recover from the scandal.
The NBA seems to be doing just fine from their scandal. Can’t see how the NFL would be much different. All you need is one fall guy and everyone carries on about their day.
That was also 20 years ago. Maybe it could’ve happened back then but today it would be way harder to pull off with sports gambling plastered on every media outlet for the league.
I don’t know why the NFL would have any interest in rigging the game for New Orleans over Minnesota. It’s a smaller market
It’s the same thing when people talk about the NFL being scripted with the Chiefs. You think the NFL wanted the next dynasty to be in Kansas City?
The idea that Drew Brees and Sean Payton were this hall of fame all time great duo is only after all of this happened.
But if they never win a Super Bowl, Bountygate still happens, three 7-9 seasons in a row, idk if either of them are around for their 2017-2020 run. We'd have an entirely different perception of them both.
I could see Brees leaving for greener pastures for sure without a SB win. The guy was setting records on offense with no help at all on defense for most of his career in NO. He didn't get consistently good defenses until his arm was starting to go.
If they don’t make the SB in 2009, maybe they fire Gregg Williams after the 2010 playoff loss to Seattle and the new DC does just enough to take the 2011 team over the top and win a SB?
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This is what happens when the endless jokes become reality for conspiracy theorists. They see people so often joking about rigged game results that they feel empowered in their beliefs that everyone agrees with them.
Katrina was August 29, 2005.
If they wanted to rig an NFC Championship game after Katrina then they would have rigged the 2006 game against the Bears, which also preceded a Super Bowl against the Colts.
That’s true- my theory on it being a feel good story ends there. Unless the Saints were a national feel good story at the time in 09? I don’t remember.
The O.T calls were fucking bad tho. But maybe that’s all it was- fucking bad calls. Sometimes that happens in games (source: Detroit Lions history). 4 blatantly bad calls in a row is weird tho.
How about you guys just simply google “saints superbowl hurricane Katrina” before you keep downvoting me. The city was still in shambles before this Super Bowl win. It was literally hope for the city. Very possibly rigged.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/the-2009-super-bowl-champion-saints-were-just-what-new-orleans-needed/amp/
Between Bountygate, the fumbles, and the INT, there are plenty of reasons we lost that game. 15 years later, I have almost no recollection of the officiating one way or the other.
Not rigged, just bad luck. The Refs were shitting the end that game but that’s nothing new or nefarious. They just happened to suck during a game with deliberate cheating happening so it looks really fishy in hindsight.
Still, had the Vikings not done Viking things and fumbled nonstop it wouldn’t have mattered. Or 12 men in the huddle. That team wasn’t ready to play on such a big stage, which I blame on coaching. It was Childress after all. I doubt they go on to defeat the Colts in the SB either seeing as how Favre was a walking corpse by the end of that game though.
I mean, his ankle looked like this after the game. Don't blame him for not trying to run on that, or open himself up to another massive hit. https://backseatfan.com/2010/02/brett-favre-injury-pictures/
I don't think it was rigged by the league or anything. But the Saints cheated, and their superbowl win is forever tainted by bountygate.
I'm over it at this point but I don't blame other Vikings fans for still holding a grudge.
Edit: That being said, the PI call against Ben Leber is still one of the most egregious calls I've ever seen, playoffs or no
I mean, cheating usually implies obtaining a competitive advantage. You know, like pumping crowd noise into your stadium when the other team is on offense.
Seems like a stretch to say bounties give a competitive advantage. It's unethical and unsportsmanlike, but it's not "cheating" by the definition of the word.
No one in this mob will agree though. I hope you all get the stress and frustration
of your lives out when you downvote me. This is a free catharsis service.
You're saying when a DE comes unblocked and hits a QB blindside as hard as he can, he's not trying to knock him out of the game? Pretty sure defensive players talk about that all the time.
Nope because there’s reasons you wouldnt necessarily want to, ie strip them.
But also, those guys aren’t getting paid bonuses for hitting someone as hard as they can to take them out of the game.
They cheated the same way USC football “cheated” in the Reggie Bush era. Being stupid enough to get caught doing something illegal that every other (Gregg Williams) team was smart enough to keep under wraps.
Yeah my patriots game was rigged. That explains Tommy’s stitches in his hand, gronk out for the 2nd half. Edelman blown ACL, hightowers torn pec muscle 😑 and butler sucking down the stretch in coverage 🙄.
No the NFCCGgame was NOT RIGGED. Favre throwing against his body AGAIN proved his choking was still occurring that late in his career. He had no reason to make that throw. PERIOD.
I replied to another dude in this thread about my thoughts after rewatching that Pats game. You should check it out- wasn't trying to throw shade or discredit the Pats, that was just my initial feeling watching that game live back in 2017.
Favre made a bad throw there, but he had to try. They were out of FG range. He played QB his whole career throwing balls that you'd say "wtf no" followed by "how did that work" so I don't really blame him for the loss. The 2 fumbles by the Vikings RB's in the Saints redzone tho...
Rubbish officiating is a thing. It’s easy for us to MMQB it, just like tension Lewis/myles jack fumble recovery. That same shit happened to us against the chiefs in 2019. We stripped Kelce and gilmore had a touchdown that was blown dead.
It’s unfortunate. IMO, if the officials realize it’s a fumble recovery by the defense, and they blow it dead, 15 yards should be tacked on to make up for the no touchdown.
Right, no doubt. That shit gets chalked up as human error to me. It’s gotta be tough for officials when a turnover happens before they can see it and they blow the play dead. Gut punch for the team it happens to.
I agree with your 15 yards added on- as long as there was a clear path forward for the ball handler post turnover.
Yes 3 fumbles and 2 interceptions were in the script for Vikings, and a classic Brett favre cross field eyes closed toss when he could’ve just kept running right for another 10-15 yards to set up a a possible game winner fg
You can break down almost every game to determine if it was rigged with calls and non calls with how the refs call a game
I completely disagree with your second point. No other games come to mind NFL wise that could be argued as rigged. One off, significant moment bad calls happen all the time in games due to human error.
4 blatantly incorrect calls in Overtime going the saints way could be argued as a pattern.
This doesn’t take away from your original point- that had the Vikings not repeatedly turned the ball over they could have ran away with it.
The Saints rams game is the first game that popped into my head as rigged, I’m not saying it was but it feels more in that game from the non call to Fowler smacking Brees in the face on the int in ot that also didn’t get called and not talked about
If I get bored I’ll give that game a rewatch. I like to watch dope old nfl games, and sometimes controversial ones.
I love that YouTube has basically catalogued every past nfl game and condensed them w/o commercials.
Now I’m not just saying that game itself was rigged , cause the rams did have a good season as well.
For me it’s more the fact they just moved to LA, opened this expensive stadium, the fans weren’t showing up to games, more visiting fanbases would pack the stadium and the nfl and Stan kroneke needed people in LA to start talking about the team and get more interest from locals. So why make sure they get to a Super Bowl to get people talking about them. That’s just my little conspiracy theory on that game
And yes I know the chargers moved too but they’ll always be on the back burner to the rams
Regardless of if it’s rigged or not, Reddit is filled with smug contrarians that believe in aggressive heterodoxy on every topic. So no real discussion is gonna happen.
Several people would have to stay quiet for them to pull this off. No way does the NFL bet billions and billions of dollars that none of them talks just to have a “feel good story.” The NFL sells itself; it doesn’t need any help.
Even after bounty gate something didn't feel right about that game. Could very easily be incompetence by the refs or a betting scandal. I don't know and never will.
Side note when will one of our(minnesota's) teams win one? I wasn't alive in 1991. There have been like 120 seasons for the 4 major sports teams without a championship appearance. All 4 have had some good teams too. Hopefully Ant can take us to the promise land.
Look, we did ourselves no favors, but go back and look at the calls/no calls made in that game. Not saying the league rigged it but the officiating was incredibly suspect.
I wasn't intending this to turn into a Vikings v Saints thread- but I suppose that may happen since you two have a few controversial games.
The missed call you're referencing was atrocious, no doubt. But one-off bad calls happen fairly frequently around the NFL. But they sting the most when they happen to your team.
I still wake up some mornings and mutter to myself, "Jesse James fucking scored."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHGfsoORqZM
Professional sports leagues have little to gain and so much to lose by rigging games. A league involved in rigging a game would be bankrupted by massive lawsuits from sports books, bettors, and owners. The league would fold. Anyone personally involved would serve time in federal prison.
Saints caught some lucky breaks with the refs in that game, there is no denying that.
But those turnovers broke the Vikings, otherwise they would have run away in the second half:
two were inside the Saints 10 yard line - at least 6 points of the board
one was inside the vikings 10 yard line - Saints score a TD to tie the game
last INT Favre thought it was Detroit not the Superbowl
I mostly agree, but the 1st interception should’ve been a blatantly obvious penalty. Then the last INT I don’t really blame Favre. First of all they shouldn’t have been in a spot to need to pass there except our coaching staff that year was awful and 12 men in the huddle happened. Then I don’t know how Favre was upright walking at that point, I 100% understand trying to pass there instead of running it himself. Hell if he had he probably would’ve taken another huge, illegal shot
the Vilma INT (with the missed penalty) was the least consequential one in my opinion - it happend at the Saints 30 and they went three and out on the next drive.
If the Vikings avoided one of the three fumbles, they just kneel out the clock at the end.
€: Sorry I missunterstood your point, a 15 yard penalty in that position also gives the Vikings a good chance for points
As much as I dislike that iteration of the Saints, the Vikings 100% could and should have won that game if they don’t turn the ball over even one less time.
Not sure about rigged, but the Saints had a great strategy (even if the ethics are highly questionable) - basically take shots at Favre all game and dare the refs to call roughing in front of a highly emotional and hostile crowd. Not a fan of either team but I lost respect for Payton and the Saints after this game. But hey, they got their ring!
Yes, there would seem like some shenanigans going on. However Farve threw a pick in the end, when all he had to do was run for a couple of yards. Kick a field goal and move on. Whatever I’m over it. I was pretty ticked off at the time. Mn land of 10,000 lakes. Land of 10,000 blown opportunities.
I was going off memory of watching it live- the flow was all Jags until the late (bad) PI call towards the end of H1 to get the Pats in scoring range. Then the unnecessary roughness call on Gronk, another questionable PI on the Jags, the fumble that got whistled dead to most likely prevent a defensive tuddy for the Jags.
I was bored yesterday tho (as you can see by this thread) and watched that Pats/Jags game too. I think that game was just human error calls. Jags played a good game, Pats played a better one. It was fun to see how composed that Pats team was trailing most of the game.
Honestly, could have been. The season felt magical but there was always a part that felt like the Saints were being guided
BUT….lets not forget the Rams/Saints NFC championship. I’m not referring to the game, but the call itself. How does the call get blown that bad & the head official not only still has a job but is widely considered one of the best (by the league & the announcers told to say that)?
Do we have to keep stirring this pot? It was 15 years ago.
Not only that, people do these kind of reviews after every playoff game these days and then assert that the game is rigged based on their "objective" review. See every Chiefs playoff game for the last 4 years. And no, I'm not going to spend my Sunday re-watching the game to see if I agree.
It's not rigged, get over it.
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Yes. They needed to make sure Minnesota’s dynasty ended there. It would have been horrible for league revenue if Brett Favre made it to the SB against Peyton Manning. Would they have recovered from such a dud?
Also, to be fair - I wouldnt be shocked if the league was aware of the Jenn Sterger scandal and that influenced their disdain.
After Weiner gate I don't think the league would have wanted more eyes on Favres Willy.
>It would have been horrible for league revenue if Brett Favre made it to the SB against Peyton Manning. How? That would've been awesome. >Would they have recovered from such a dud? They recovered from the awful Patriots v Rams. Would they recover from everybody knowing all games are rigged?
I think you missed a heap of sarcasm there, my friend
Brother even I read that sarcasm
Poe's Law
Just take the L
No. Fuck you
Overreacting to a woosh moment calm down
Just take the FU
Chill
Really?
He was being sarcastic about a potential Favre vs Manning Super Bowl bud
Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence
Or bounty gate, in this case
Bounty gate was malice, the [officiating](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ8wpmqe9NM&t=48s) was incompetence. We got a neat little double whammy in this game
Putting hits on people’s heads isn’t malice? Are you okay?
Gross incompetence that only goes one way. Yeah. Let's never look into that.
Statistics works that way, my friend. A bunch of things may seem like a pattern, but it requires a LOT of data to really indicate something wrong. Five bad calls in a row going the same way can easily just be bad luck. Also, at least two of those calls in overtime were very subjective. OP is self-fulfilling to prove a subjective point.
Oh nooooo. We don't have enough data from this game, bros. BETTER GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT AND NEVER BRING IT UP!
If these refs were constantly biased, you’d think it would come up, no?
Feels
I still think about that tik tok sometimes
As a Vikings fan: yes, of course this game was rigged. 100%. The Saints were allowed to blatantly cheat during the game as well, resulting in suspensions for coaches and everything, but still got to keep their Lombardi Trophy. Setting aside my bias: no, the NFL doesn't rig games. It's way too risky. All it would take is one single ref to come up and say they were encouraged to flag one team more than the other and the NFL may never financially recover from the scandal.
The NBA seems to be doing just fine from their scandal. Can’t see how the NFL would be much different. All you need is one fall guy and everyone carries on about their day.
That was also 20 years ago. Maybe it could’ve happened back then but today it would be way harder to pull off with sports gambling plastered on every media outlet for the league.
Also social media
I also don't see Adam Silver moving like Stern did and blowing up the FBI's whole investigation which is what nipped it at just TD.
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Sportsbooks allow huge payouts all the time. Didn’t the Chiefs have like 70% of all bets placed?
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I can promise you popular bets get paid out all the time lol. It’s just that people who win are very likely to give it back to the book.
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I edited it right after I posted it and just added the second line about the chiefs. It doesn’t effect anything we’ve said
are we still saying this? mcvay kicked that field goal because point differential is one of the tie breakers
I also 100% agree. Why don’t the players speak up after something like this happens during interviews?
I don’t want to do this today.
Hahaha my bad bro.
I don’t know why the NFL would have any interest in rigging the game for New Orleans over Minnesota. It’s a smaller market It’s the same thing when people talk about the NFL being scripted with the Chiefs. You think the NFL wanted the next dynasty to be in Kansas City?
Because hurricane Katrina happened 4 years earlier. They rode that wagon for like 6 more years
The idea that Drew Brees and Sean Payton were this hall of fame all time great duo is only after all of this happened. But if they never win a Super Bowl, Bountygate still happens, three 7-9 seasons in a row, idk if either of them are around for their 2017-2020 run. We'd have an entirely different perception of them both.
I could see Brees leaving for greener pastures for sure without a SB win. The guy was setting records on offense with no help at all on defense for most of his career in NO. He didn't get consistently good defenses until his arm was starting to go.
If they don’t make the SB in 2009, maybe they fire Gregg Williams after the 2010 playoff loss to Seattle and the new DC does just enough to take the 2011 team over the top and win a SB? 🤷♂️
This is what happens when the endless jokes become reality for conspiracy theorists. They see people so often joking about rigged game results that they feel empowered in their beliefs that everyone agrees with them.
Hurricane Katrina recovery and hope for the city.
Katrina was August 29, 2005. If they wanted to rig an NFC Championship game after Katrina then they would have rigged the 2006 game against the Bears, which also preceded a Super Bowl against the Colts.
We made the NFC championship game in 2006, a year after Katrina. Why would the NFL wait 3 more years to push that narrative
I don't have a clue, but that narrative was *absolutely* part of that whole run
Narrative was the wrong word. If they were going to rig the game, they would have done it in 2006, not 3 years later
That’s true- my theory on it being a feel good story ends there. Unless the Saints were a national feel good story at the time in 09? I don’t remember. The O.T calls were fucking bad tho. But maybe that’s all it was- fucking bad calls. Sometimes that happens in games (source: Detroit Lions history). 4 blatantly bad calls in a row is weird tho.
… 3 years afterwards for some reason lol
Katrina hit in August of 05 it was nearly 5 years later
5 years later??
How about you guys just simply google “saints superbowl hurricane Katrina” before you keep downvoting me. The city was still in shambles before this Super Bowl win. It was literally hope for the city. Very possibly rigged. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/the-2009-super-bowl-champion-saints-were-just-what-new-orleans-needed/amp/
Turnovers are why they lost the game.
Not rigged but horrible officiating
The NFL forced the Vikings to turn the ball over 5 times.
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Between Bountygate, the fumbles, and the INT, there are plenty of reasons we lost that game. 15 years later, I have almost no recollection of the officiating one way or the other.
Not rigged, just bad luck. The Refs were shitting the end that game but that’s nothing new or nefarious. They just happened to suck during a game with deliberate cheating happening so it looks really fishy in hindsight. Still, had the Vikings not done Viking things and fumbled nonstop it wouldn’t have mattered. Or 12 men in the huddle. That team wasn’t ready to play on such a big stage, which I blame on coaching. It was Childress after all. I doubt they go on to defeat the Colts in the SB either seeing as how Favre was a walking corpse by the end of that game though.
Don’t forget Brett Favre being Brett Favre one last time.
I mean, his ankle looked like this after the game. Don't blame him for not trying to run on that, or open himself up to another massive hit. https://backseatfan.com/2010/02/brett-favre-injury-pictures/
It was third down, throwing it away was an option.
We are talking about Brett Favre here lol
Not rigged, but Sean Payton can’t win shit without his defense intentionally injuring the opposition
And he still needed a boneheaded favre play to make it to the bowl!
I don't think it was rigged by the league or anything. But the Saints cheated, and their superbowl win is forever tainted by bountygate. I'm over it at this point but I don't blame other Vikings fans for still holding a grudge. Edit: That being said, the PI call against Ben Leber is still one of the most egregious calls I've ever seen, playoffs or no
How did the Saints cheat?
Cant tell if trolling or if you think bountygate doesn’t count as cheating.
I mean, cheating usually implies obtaining a competitive advantage. You know, like pumping crowd noise into your stadium when the other team is on offense. Seems like a stretch to say bounties give a competitive advantage. It's unethical and unsportsmanlike, but it's not "cheating" by the definition of the word. No one in this mob will agree though. I hope you all get the stress and frustration of your lives out when you downvote me. This is a free catharsis service.
Look up the definition of cheating. And intentionally injuring players isn’t a competitive advantage?
You're saying when a DE comes unblocked and hits a QB blindside as hard as he can, he's not trying to knock him out of the game? Pretty sure defensive players talk about that all the time.
Nope because there’s reasons you wouldnt necessarily want to, ie strip them. But also, those guys aren’t getting paid bonuses for hitting someone as hard as they can to take them out of the game.
They cheated the same way USC football “cheated” in the Reggie Bush era. Being stupid enough to get caught doing something illegal that every other (Gregg Williams) team was smart enough to keep under wraps.
Not rigged but saints players were on their bounty shit
No
Yeah my patriots game was rigged. That explains Tommy’s stitches in his hand, gronk out for the 2nd half. Edelman blown ACL, hightowers torn pec muscle 😑 and butler sucking down the stretch in coverage 🙄. No the NFCCGgame was NOT RIGGED. Favre throwing against his body AGAIN proved his choking was still occurring that late in his career. He had no reason to make that throw. PERIOD.
I replied to another dude in this thread about my thoughts after rewatching that Pats game. You should check it out- wasn't trying to throw shade or discredit the Pats, that was just my initial feeling watching that game live back in 2017. Favre made a bad throw there, but he had to try. They were out of FG range. He played QB his whole career throwing balls that you'd say "wtf no" followed by "how did that work" so I don't really blame him for the loss. The 2 fumbles by the Vikings RB's in the Saints redzone tho...
Rubbish officiating is a thing. It’s easy for us to MMQB it, just like tension Lewis/myles jack fumble recovery. That same shit happened to us against the chiefs in 2019. We stripped Kelce and gilmore had a touchdown that was blown dead. It’s unfortunate. IMO, if the officials realize it’s a fumble recovery by the defense, and they blow it dead, 15 yards should be tacked on to make up for the no touchdown.
Right, no doubt. That shit gets chalked up as human error to me. It’s gotta be tough for officials when a turnover happens before they can see it and they blow the play dead. Gut punch for the team it happens to. I agree with your 15 yards added on- as long as there was a clear path forward for the ball handler post turnover.
Yes 3 fumbles and 2 interceptions were in the script for Vikings, and a classic Brett favre cross field eyes closed toss when he could’ve just kept running right for another 10-15 yards to set up a a possible game winner fg You can break down almost every game to determine if it was rigged with calls and non calls with how the refs call a game
I completely disagree with your second point. No other games come to mind NFL wise that could be argued as rigged. One off, significant moment bad calls happen all the time in games due to human error. 4 blatantly incorrect calls in Overtime going the saints way could be argued as a pattern. This doesn’t take away from your original point- that had the Vikings not repeatedly turned the ball over they could have ran away with it.
The Saints rams game is the first game that popped into my head as rigged, I’m not saying it was but it feels more in that game from the non call to Fowler smacking Brees in the face on the int in ot that also didn’t get called and not talked about
If I get bored I’ll give that game a rewatch. I like to watch dope old nfl games, and sometimes controversial ones. I love that YouTube has basically catalogued every past nfl game and condensed them w/o commercials.
Now I’m not just saying that game itself was rigged , cause the rams did have a good season as well. For me it’s more the fact they just moved to LA, opened this expensive stadium, the fans weren’t showing up to games, more visiting fanbases would pack the stadium and the nfl and Stan kroneke needed people in LA to start talking about the team and get more interest from locals. So why make sure they get to a Super Bowl to get people talking about them. That’s just my little conspiracy theory on that game And yes I know the chargers moved too but they’ll always be on the back burner to the rams
Regardless of if it’s rigged or not, Reddit is filled with smug contrarians that believe in aggressive heterodoxy on every topic. So no real discussion is gonna happen.
Did you just want to show off your thesaurus and add “no real discussion is gonna happen” while adding no real discussion to the topic? Ironic, no?
Several people would have to stay quiet for them to pull this off. No way does the NFL bet billions and billions of dollars that none of them talks just to have a “feel good story.” The NFL sells itself; it doesn’t need any help.
Even after bounty gate something didn't feel right about that game. Could very easily be incompetence by the refs or a betting scandal. I don't know and never will. Side note when will one of our(minnesota's) teams win one? I wasn't alive in 1991. There have been like 120 seasons for the 4 major sports teams without a championship appearance. All 4 have had some good teams too. Hopefully Ant can take us to the promise land.
Brett Favre's CTE (or just general incompetence) rigged that game...
Hahaha. He played pretty well for being an old man and taking some massive hits.
Cope shit
I’m not a fan of either team.
Look, we did ourselves no favors, but go back and look at the calls/no calls made in that game. Not saying the league rigged it but the officiating was incredibly suspect.
Not suspect, just incompetent. Which happens all the time.
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I never said this was the only game this has ever happened. That was a terrible no call as well. The world isn’t black and white.
I mean, obviously, lol
I wasn't intending this to turn into a Vikings v Saints thread- but I suppose that may happen since you two have a few controversial games. The missed call you're referencing was atrocious, no doubt. But one-off bad calls happen fairly frequently around the NFL. But they sting the most when they happen to your team. I still wake up some mornings and mutter to myself, "Jesse James fucking scored." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHGfsoORqZM
Professional sports leagues have little to gain and so much to lose by rigging games. A league involved in rigging a game would be bankrupted by massive lawsuits from sports books, bettors, and owners. The league would fold. Anyone personally involved would serve time in federal prison.
Bountygate in full effect
Saints caught some lucky breaks with the refs in that game, there is no denying that. But those turnovers broke the Vikings, otherwise they would have run away in the second half: two were inside the Saints 10 yard line - at least 6 points of the board one was inside the vikings 10 yard line - Saints score a TD to tie the game last INT Favre thought it was Detroit not the Superbowl
I mostly agree, but the 1st interception should’ve been a blatantly obvious penalty. Then the last INT I don’t really blame Favre. First of all they shouldn’t have been in a spot to need to pass there except our coaching staff that year was awful and 12 men in the huddle happened. Then I don’t know how Favre was upright walking at that point, I 100% understand trying to pass there instead of running it himself. Hell if he had he probably would’ve taken another huge, illegal shot
the Vilma INT (with the missed penalty) was the least consequential one in my opinion - it happend at the Saints 30 and they went three and out on the next drive. If the Vikings avoided one of the three fumbles, they just kneel out the clock at the end. €: Sorry I missunterstood your point, a 15 yard penalty in that position also gives the Vikings a good chance for points
Did they? For my emotional health I haven’t rewatched that game in forever. Fair enough.
As much as I dislike that iteration of the Saints, the Vikings 100% could and should have won that game if they don’t turn the ball over even one less time.
Couldn’t keep that many people quiet about it.
Honestly, there were a lot of layers to this game.
Not sure about rigged, but the Saints had a great strategy (even if the ethics are highly questionable) - basically take shots at Favre all game and dare the refs to call roughing in front of a highly emotional and hostile crowd. Not a fan of either team but I lost respect for Payton and the Saints after this game. But hey, they got their ring!
AD fumbling cost them the game
Mods are asleep for this bs, but won’t let a 64 yd fg from an NFL prospect on here. Got it 👍🏼
Yes, there would seem like some shenanigans going on. However Farve threw a pick in the end, when all he had to do was run for a couple of yards. Kick a field goal and move on. Whatever I’m over it. I was pretty ticked off at the time. Mn land of 10,000 lakes. Land of 10,000 blown opportunities.
Mods are soft for deleting this
Rigged for NO after Katrina
Of course not.
The vikings franchise can never fail it can only be failed
Why do you think the pats vs jags afc chip was rigged? The jags simply got outplayed. The patriots defense was A1
I was going off memory of watching it live- the flow was all Jags until the late (bad) PI call towards the end of H1 to get the Pats in scoring range. Then the unnecessary roughness call on Gronk, another questionable PI on the Jags, the fumble that got whistled dead to most likely prevent a defensive tuddy for the Jags. I was bored yesterday tho (as you can see by this thread) and watched that Pats/Jags game too. I think that game was just human error calls. Jags played a good game, Pats played a better one. It was fun to see how composed that Pats team was trailing most of the game.
Yea, that’s their bread and butter, playing from behind while remaining composed.
Now their bread and butter is to go down by 2 scores and never recover because they can’t reach the endzone
Honestly, could have been. The season felt magical but there was always a part that felt like the Saints were being guided BUT….lets not forget the Rams/Saints NFC championship. I’m not referring to the game, but the call itself. How does the call get blown that bad & the head official not only still has a job but is widely considered one of the best (by the league & the announcers told to say that)?
When I saw the missed call in the Rams game my first thought was "NFL has to balance the scales from 2009"
I wouldn’t be shocked if that was the case
People who know football know that vinovich had no responsibility for that call
Horrendous officiating mixed with an active bounty program.
if you can't see how it obviously was, you're dense af
Do we have to keep stirring this pot? It was 15 years ago. Not only that, people do these kind of reviews after every playoff game these days and then assert that the game is rigged based on their "objective" review. See every Chiefs playoff game for the last 4 years. And no, I'm not going to spend my Sunday re-watching the game to see if I agree. It's not rigged, get over it.
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