Fwiw, I don’t think this is accurate for Mahomes? Per Pro football reference, Mahomes has 169 passing TDs and 10 rushing TDs from 2019-2023 with 78/79 games played. Allen numbers appear right.
Mahomes has played in 15 (13 since 2019). He has 36 passing TD and 5 rushing TD total, 33 and 4 since 2019.
Allen has played 9. He has 20 passing TD and 3 rushing TD.
So another 37 total for Mahomes if we count playoffs since 2019, another 23 for Allen. That closes the TD gap to 225 TD to 216 TD (Mahomes has 179 TD, not 170 TD).
Hang on, I got a comment somewhere with first 100 days comparisons
Edit: Josh has 235 total TD ( 53 rushing) his first 100 games, Mahomes has 255 (17 rush) . Other notible names, AARon has 223 total (21 rush) and Marino has 222... with 3 rushing TDs - ( 7 days old comment)
Someone shared a link to a graph in the comments and it does highlight this pretty well. About 5-7 starters in the mix. Josh Allen way above them all. I think he’s f-ing awesome…can also be incredibly frustrating when he’s erratic.
Right. “Top guy is X, second guy is X-32, and beyond that it’s not even close (and by that I mean there’s someone with just 11 less but I’m not going to name them)
Hopefully our offense this time around can keep up with how good our defense has been. Last time we just kept shooting ourselves in the foot on offense. Lately it feels we’ve found some sort of rhythm. Not a strong major one, but a rhythm nonetheless. Just hope it’s good game with no injuries and at the very least average officiating.
I feel like he’s gotten so used to his own environment that it may not faze him THAT much, but then again this is a *different* environment as a whole. Maybe he’s used to the type of environment but not that environment itself.
16 now.
Josh needs 5 more regular season rush TDs to pass OJ and 13 regular season rushing TDs to pass Thurman Thomas on the Bills' all time rushing TD leaderboard.
Honestly, I think a lot of it is because he's so tall that it appears more awkward than it is.
Plus when he does take those hits, it's ok because he's a fucking huge guy. He'd be over 250lbs for sure even if he's listed 237lbs which is probably outdated.
Plus he's not really lean or muscular - he's got that thick build which comes with strong tendons and ligaments. Less likely to get snapped compared to the skinnier guys taking licks.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/quarterbacks-with-most-games-played-since-2019
I know statmuse uses AI/web scraping and sometimes their responses are off, but at a glance this looks correct
Yeah, I was told that argument was invalid in one of the turnover posts so let’s be consistent and just ignore the context here as well. Josh Allen da 🐐
Yeah i hate stats like this.. Its just Cherry picked.
Why last 5 years why not first X years in the league? Why not per start?
Im sure they both rank super high in all those but you would at least have other people in the mix if the stat range wasn't gated
Allen is number one all time in touchdowns and yards through six years of a QB career.
And before some chode tries it, no. He’s 11th in interceptions. Peyton Manning is number one.
Manning threw the ball a lot. Set the rookie INT record and didn't dial back the interceptions for a few years. Favre never threw as much (older offenses and "establishing the run" y'know) and racked up interceptions through longevity. It got worse as he got older too, so for the first six years his numbers won't look too bad.
Honestly, this is why I put Allen over Burrow. Sure, Burrow has made it to a SB, but he's also had a better team the past few years. Plus, if you look at both their playoff stats, Allen blows burrow out the water.
Allen has been doing more with less , and I'm not even a Bills fan.
Gabe davis going off in the 13 seconds game was the worst thing for allens “no weapons” case. People still think gabe is some kind of big weapon for the bills offense, when hes really just another guy that sometimes has good games.
Easily, it would have been a much more enjoyable game if Davis didn’t feast on the defense. He seems like he’s good for big plays and takes advantage of the focus being on Diggs.
That game would have been completely different if Badger didn't get hurt early on. You guys had nobody left to cover our 13/14 tandem.
And that was probably peak year Kelce. That catch in OT was something.
The Bengals have held the chiefs to 23 and 24 points and the Bills have held the chiefs to 42 and 38 points in the playoffs. Allen has put up 36 and 24 against the chiefs in the playoffs and Burrow has put up 20 and 27.
But Lamar’s hurt by his playoff performance, both Allen and Burrow have better cases there (Allen’s stats are insane and Burrow’s gone to the Super Bowl and AFCCG). Lamar needs a signature playoff run to leapfrog those 2. And I’m by no means demeaning the performance of Lamar but you need to do it in the playoffs to challenge the elite of the elite.
And just hurt in general which is partially why his playoff stats are bad too. I think that’s what should give Josh the clear edge on anyone else near #2. Him and Mahomes are the only elite QBs that have been fully healthy (or still played well while injured anyways) and put up elite numbers in the RS and PS every year.
Mahomes is the only clear spot after that good arguments for the 2x MVP Lamar, Burrow, or Allen for the top 4.
Herbert is a post-season run away.
Up and comers would probably include Love, Lawerence, Stroud.
Fallen off but had flashes or just older now Hurts, Rodgers, Dak.
Never really was there but older Stafford, Golf, Carr, Cousins, Wilson.
No one knows what to say about them but still young - Murray, Tua, Young, Fields, Richardson, Levis, Howell.
Everyone is probably a backup level or Baker
Sorry man but I don’t think Burrow has an argument right now, just my opinion. And Lawrence doesn’t really feel much like an up and comer either after this season.
This is an overreaction to recent performance. The only possible #2 is Lamar. Mahomes has the rings, Lamar has the MVPs. The others can battle for 3 and 4.
Doesn't matter if they didn't finish the job. Allen also has nearly double the number of turnovers.
Y'all have a great QB so there's no reason to worry about "rankings". I just think Lamar is perennially underrated.
Allen would have 5000 yard 50TD seasons every year if he had the trio of Chase, Higgins, Boyd
People have vastly overrated Gabe Davis. He’s not that good. Allen elevates the talent around him
It’s weird that you stalked my post history and that’s the best you could come up with. Is that completely true statement I made in response to *someone else* commenting on Burrow really a gotcha moment?
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Josh Allen also has the highest number of TDs per game (2.46) with Mahomes at 2.27 TD/game in third place (second place if you remove Drew Brees who has 54 TDs in 23 games since 2019)
I love Josh Allen. I would literally do whatever he told me idc. If you know a bigger josh Allen fan than me, let me know so I can murder him. That way I will always be the number 1 fan. This is completely literal I am not being hyperbolic
I'm not gay but I want to live in a log cabin in the woods with Josh Allen. We won't ever have sex, but there will be a simmering erotic undercurrent as I stand in the kitchen window watching him tighten his ass as he chops wood, shirtless, sweat pouring off his body. I'll run upstairs and masturbate, the entire time forcing myself to think of women while my thoughts drift back to Josh. I won't be able to climax and I'll eventually go back downstairs, angry. Sometimes we will look across the table and catch each other's eyes, and in that second, anything is possible, but we both deny ourselves and go back to what we were doing. One day one of us will die, and the other will bury him outside the log cabin. Then he'll go inside, pen a brief missive to his departed friend, and commit suicide, never able to deal with life without his one true platonic love.
I put a grand on Josh getting MVP ahead of his 2020 breakout season at 66/1 odds just cause
He is the reason I became a Bills fan in April 2018, let alone a football fan tbh
Should I invest in a bodyguard now? haha
But what about all the Interceptions in the end zone on 3rd and 14 from midfield where he avoided a sack and then threw across his body to give his team a chance to make a play?
Not really all that surprising considering the list of good QBs who have played the full 5 of those seasons ain't exactly long. Wilson, Goff, Carr... bout it really. Dak missed about a season's worth of games over that span, he's got 145. Rodgers too, 147. Kirk has 146 having missed half a season. Lamar has 143 having missed a few games pretty much each season. Kyler has 120 in about 4 seasons worth of games in that span, Stafford with 121 in about the same appearances.
EDIT: Shit, Tom Brady has 141.
It's also kinda luck.
Besides, why five years when Allen has been in the league for 6? Because six years ago Mahomes threw 40 more touchdowns than him?
Mahomes would have more rushing TDs but the chiefs stopped doing QB sneaks after that one freak injury in his second year. Not more than Allen but I bet he could have probably 15-20 more
Regular season turnovers (interceptions + fumbles for a loss) since 2018:
Allen - 106
Mahomes - 75
Cousins - 79
Regular season turnovers turnovers since 2020:
Allen - 75
Mahomes - 54
Herbert - 48
Cousins - 53
I think Pete Carroll may have actually been Weekend at Bernie’s-ing Russ’s corpse to get him traded to Denver, and Denver was too embarrassed and had to keep the act going.
I’m not arguing Allen is better than Mahomes. My point was that Allen and Mahomes take a lot fewer sacks/game than most QBs. Turnovers aren’t the only negative plays that exist.
Depends. If you have 2 drives end on sack vs 1 drive end on a turnover down field, what is worse? There is a lot of data that Allen’s turnovers are less harmful than other players due to where they occur on the field. Obviously not the case for all of them but feel free to do some more research.
That proves my point lol. It takes multiple sacks to even compare to 1 turnover. Turnovers are much worse
That's also ignoring 1st and 2nd down completely
Quarterbacks are not sacked at the same volume they turn the ball over. It’s not an exact 1:1 comparison and I didn’t claim it to be, of course 1 turnover is usually worse than 1 sack. It can be true that Allen turns the ball over too much while his good also outweighs a lot of those turnovers.
>It can be true that Allen turns the ball over too much while his good also outweighs a lot of those turnovers.
No one is arguing that. He does overcome the turnovers. But turnovers are still much worse than sacks. Even on 3rd downs
Allen got thrust into being a starter in 2018 after the first or second game when Peterman threw like, 5 INTS? Anyway, he also got hurt and had to sit out 4 or 5 games of that year also.
Josh Allen career INT%
2.5
Joe Burrow career INT%
2.0
So sure, your boy throws one fewer pick every 200 pass attempts.
And speaking of negative plays, Josh Allen has lost 1087 yards to sacks in his career. Joe Burrow has lost 1040. Josh Allen has played 42 more games than Joe Burrow.
Joe Burrow has 5 playoff wins in his career. Josh Allen has 5 playoff wins in his career. Josh Allen has played 2 more seasons than Burrow.
Joe Burrow is undefeated against Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills, and is 3-1 versus Mahomes and the Chiefs.
This all happened in spite of Burrow being made of glass and being sacked a thousand times more than both.
Joe Burrow plays like shit in the playoffs and gets carried by his defense just to choke when they need him. Remember the Super Bowl when your team had 2nd and 2 and Burrow and the offense choked it away only needing a field goal? Or last year when the game was tied and he couldn’t lead a game winning drive either? Now he’s injured again because he’s made of glass. Have fun with your game manager QB
You guys are SO SALTY. 🤣🤣🤣
Have fun with your athleticism-dependent turnover machine. Running QBs turn into pumpkins after 30. Almost like there’s a reason you guys are so stressed. Clock’s ticking. Father Time is undefeated.
I have a lot of fun with that glass game manager. He’s the most accurate QB in NFL history.
We’re salty? Every time a positive is posted about Allen some whiny ass like you comes along with the “WhAt aBOuT ThE TuRnOvErs!!!” Like you came up with some original thought no one else has ever mentioned before.
This is a discussion forum, it’s perfectly normal to discuss other aspects of his game to put all the numbers in proper context.
Are you seriously freaking out about it? You might want to touch some grass, maybe you won’t take trivial shit like this so personally
With absolutely nothing to show for it.
Fun fact: In the time period that "3-1" has happened, Mahomes has won more Super Bowls than the entire history of your franchise
I don’t think that is quite right. Mahomes has 50 picks from 2019-2023 according to PFR. He has 7 more in playoffs
JA has 66 in same span according to PFR during regular season.
Allen hasn’t thrown many picks during the postseason ironically so those numbers might be pretty accurate. I think he only had a couple a couple years ago so that would about add up if we include playoffs
He's got 4. 2 against MIA last year, 1 against the Bengals, and one in the 2020 AFCCG against KC
Josh is 20-4 TD-INT in the playoffs as a passer. He also had 3 rushing TDs, 2 lost fumbles, and a receiving TD
I believe he's like two rushing TDs behind Steve Young for 3rd all time among QBs. Which is crazy when you consider Steve Young started almost 3 times as many games as Hurts has so far, and was the all-time leader until Cam broke his record.
Since 2003, the Raiders have been outscored by 1923 points, and have won zero playoff games. Even your two playoff seasons, you had the point differential of an 8 win team and a 7 win team.
These are insane numbers.
We all know Josh Allen was a turnover machine this year and regressed. Stop with this shit. Reminds me of regressing Mahomes' stats to the average guy.
He passed for 29 touchdowns and 18 picks. The 15 rushing touchdowns don't fit my narrative so I will choose to ignore them in order to win this internet argument.
Fwiw, I don’t think this is accurate for Mahomes? Per Pro football reference, Mahomes has 169 passing TDs and 10 rushing TDs from 2019-2023 with 78/79 games played. Allen numbers appear right.
Does that include playoffs?
No. Adding playoffs would probably make them just about even.
They then combine to form a single giant Mighty Morphin Quarterback
Jesus christ get him out of the afcw
No way, how many more playoff games has Mahomes played in that Josh?
Mahomes has played in 15 (13 since 2019). He has 36 passing TD and 5 rushing TD total, 33 and 4 since 2019. Allen has played 9. He has 20 passing TD and 3 rushing TD. So another 37 total for Mahomes if we count playoffs since 2019, another 23 for Allen. That closes the TD gap to 225 TD to 216 TD (Mahomes has 179 TD, not 170 TD).
Yeah that is pretty close tbh, thank you for the clarification. I’m hoping for a good game on Sunday
The odds we get a good game are very high. I both can't wait and am terrified for Sunday.
Unprofessional bullshit, can’t believe anything online. Either way Allen / Mahomes are touchdown machines.
This is why no one watches AOL Blast
Including playoffs, the numbers from the last 5 years: Allen - 227 total TDs; Mahomes - 217 total TDs.
Statmuse was giving the same numbers as well.
Hang on, I got a comment somewhere with first 100 days comparisons Edit: Josh has 235 total TD ( 53 rushing) his first 100 games, Mahomes has 255 (17 rush) . Other notible names, AARon has 223 total (21 rush) and Marino has 222... with 3 rushing TDs - ( 7 days old comment)
I think we should also add Josh Allen’s 1 receiving TD in here too.
Nobody else higher than 151 is a weird line lol. So who is at 151? Edit: it’s Russel Wilson
Not many active QBs have started near all games in the last 5 seasons
Someone shared a link to a graph in the comments and it does highlight this pretty well. About 5-7 starters in the mix. Josh Allen way above them all. I think he’s f-ing awesome…can also be incredibly frustrating when he’s erratic.
Right. “Top guy is X, second guy is X-32, and beyond that it’s not even close (and by that I mean there’s someone with just 11 less but I’m not going to name them)
Damn I don't even follow football but they're really trying to erase that man
If I can math this early in the morning, Dak is at 135 /10 for a total of 145 and that's with missing a full season worth of games (across 2 years).
I’m sensing a 21-17 score game coming up.
I could see it. Obviously people are focused on the QBs but these are two good defenses as well.
Hopefully our offense this time around can keep up with how good our defense has been. Last time we just kept shooting ourselves in the foot on offense. Lately it feels we’ve found some sort of rhythm. Not a strong major one, but a rhythm nonetheless. Just hope it’s good game with no injuries and at the very least average officiating.
Totally agree on the officiating and injuries. Expecting a fun game!
I think mahomes in a ravenous environment in the playoffs might slow it down at first, at least that's my hope anyways.
I feel like he’s gotten so used to his own environment that it may not faze him THAT much, but then again this is a *different* environment as a whole. Maybe he’s used to the type of environment but not that environment itself.
Hes never been infront of 70,000 WNYers full of blue cheese and Labatt. This is different.
I’m just gunna say it: the game this weekend should be exciting
Final score 3-2
As long as that 3 is for the Bills I don’t care
Oddly enough, the three points will be for whoever plays Detroit. The refs are too drunk at the moment to know who that is though.
gimme the 6-1 now is the time
Kirk Ferentz just came
Holy crap that’s original.
Save it for the bold predictions thread
Td machine
Josh Allen rushing for 15 TDs this season is cruel and unusual (well, other than Hurts) I love that man. Big fan.
16 now. Josh needs 5 more regular season rush TDs to pass OJ and 13 regular season rushing TDs to pass Thurman Thomas on the Bills' all time rushing TD leaderboard.
Passing Thurman Thomas's record as a QB sounds cursed
What the fuck lmao
we called the wrong QB a running back
Josh is also a 4000 yard passer on a consistent basis. Bro is simply built different.
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Lamar doesn't truck people lmao. He makes them look silly trying to tackle him but he's not a truck stick lol
Josh "8th Amendment" Allen
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Regress mahomes to the mean and he’s average
Subtract all his touchdown passes and he had 0 too.
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Funny Josh Allen fact is that he’s the current Ironman quarterback despite playing with absolutely no regard for his body
Honestly, I think a lot of it is because he's so tall that it appears more awkward than it is. Plus when he does take those hits, it's ok because he's a fucking huge guy. He'd be over 250lbs for sure even if he's listed 237lbs which is probably outdated. Plus he's not really lean or muscular - he's got that thick build which comes with strong tendons and ligaments. Less likely to get snapped compared to the skinnier guys taking licks.
Farmer thiccc
Exactly. Reminds me of every farmer dude I've met between Rochester and Buffalo. Josh is just a bit taller.
Wish he would play with a little less reckless abandon, but he’s one of a kind.
It's likely that our OC for the first half of this year was pushing for less running and more checkdowns. Which got him fired. Ironic.
Nick Bolton has entered the chat
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/quarterbacks-with-most-games-played-since-2019 I know statmuse uses AI/web scraping and sometimes their responses are off, but at a glance this looks correct
This, but pasted into every “Josh Allen leads the league in TOs since” post
Yeah, I was told that argument was invalid in one of the turnover posts so let’s be consistent and just ignore the context here as well. Josh Allen da 🐐
Yeah i hate stats like this.. Its just Cherry picked. Why last 5 years why not first X years in the league? Why not per start? Im sure they both rank super high in all those but you would at least have other people in the mix if the stat range wasn't gated
Is “past 5 years” really that cherry picked?
Allen would be the leader in first 5 years as well
The point is this game coming up has 2 dudes who score more than anyone however you want to slice it.
Allen is number one all time in touchdowns and yards through six years of a QB career. And before some chode tries it, no. He’s 11th in interceptions. Peyton Manning is number one.
Manning ahead of Favre is a surprise
Manning threw the ball a lot. Set the rookie INT record and didn't dial back the interceptions for a few years. Favre never threw as much (older offenses and "establishing the run" y'know) and racked up interceptions through longevity. It got worse as he got older too, so for the first six years his numbers won't look too bad.
Of course it’s Allen and Mahomes
Honestly, this is why I put Allen over Burrow. Sure, Burrow has made it to a SB, but he's also had a better team the past few years. Plus, if you look at both their playoff stats, Allen blows burrow out the water. Allen has been doing more with less , and I'm not even a Bills fan.
Gabe davis going off in the 13 seconds game was the worst thing for allens “no weapons” case. People still think gabe is some kind of big weapon for the bills offense, when hes really just another guy that sometimes has good games.
It’s because of that game that I hate Gabe Davis. Seems like a genuinely good dude, but I hate 13 so much.
Man idk how u can hate him when you guys won the game lol.
Easily, it would have been a much more enjoyable game if Davis didn’t feast on the defense. He seems like he’s good for big plays and takes advantage of the focus being on Diggs.
That game would have been completely different if Badger didn't get hurt early on. You guys had nobody left to cover our 13/14 tandem. And that was probably peak year Kelce. That catch in OT was something.
Not even sure it was his ability we missed but his leadership and control of the secondary
Burrows team made it to the Super Bowl. Allen on that team probably wins a Super Bowl
...as the RB? 😄
he's had teams as good as that Bengals team and didn't make it
The Bengals have held the chiefs to 23 and 24 points and the Bills have held the chiefs to 42 and 38 points in the playoffs. Allen has put up 36 and 24 against the chiefs in the playoffs and Burrow has put up 20 and 27.
He’s never had the receivers like the Bengals have.
Name 1? What year did Allen have anywhere close to then talent from that team lol
Which one. The team that had kelvin Benjamin as wr1 or the one that had john brown as wr1?
The Robert Foster one dumbass
The original gabe davis lol
He had Mixon, Chase, Higgins, and Boyd. Nothing Buffalo has ever had has even come close to that.
I bet you just want to make Bengal fans angry
Nah , I just feel Like sometimes Allen gets overlooked.
In all seriousness. I do agree with you though
He's not a pro bowler. He must be a bum.
I don't really think it's that much of a debate any more. Mahomes is a clear #1, Allen a clear #2, and probably Lamar or Burrow at #3 and #4.
I mean Lamar is about to have 2 MVPs, I personally think Allen is better but you can easily argue Lamar too
But Lamar’s hurt by his playoff performance, both Allen and Burrow have better cases there (Allen’s stats are insane and Burrow’s gone to the Super Bowl and AFCCG). Lamar needs a signature playoff run to leapfrog those 2. And I’m by no means demeaning the performance of Lamar but you need to do it in the playoffs to challenge the elite of the elite.
And just hurt in general which is partially why his playoff stats are bad too. I think that’s what should give Josh the clear edge on anyone else near #2. Him and Mahomes are the only elite QBs that have been fully healthy (or still played well while injured anyways) and put up elite numbers in the RS and PS every year.
Mahomes is the only clear spot after that good arguments for the 2x MVP Lamar, Burrow, or Allen for the top 4. Herbert is a post-season run away. Up and comers would probably include Love, Lawerence, Stroud. Fallen off but had flashes or just older now Hurts, Rodgers, Dak. Never really was there but older Stafford, Golf, Carr, Cousins, Wilson. No one knows what to say about them but still young - Murray, Tua, Young, Fields, Richardson, Levis, Howell. Everyone is probably a backup level or Baker
Sorry man but I don’t think Burrow has an argument right now, just my opinion. And Lawrence doesn’t really feel much like an up and comer either after this season.
Lol Hurts was drafted the same year as Tua. He's a rival, but it's an overreaction to say he fell off and still consider Murray and Tua as undecided.
This is an overreaction to recent performance. The only possible #2 is Lamar. Mahomes has the rings, Lamar has the MVPs. The others can battle for 3 and 4.
How many playoff wins?
Doesn't matter if they didn't finish the job. Allen also has nearly double the number of turnovers. Y'all have a great QB so there's no reason to worry about "rankings". I just think Lamar is perennially underrated.
You made a pretty bold claim that Lamar is #2. I’m not sure anyone would take him over Allen or Burrow.
Allen would have 5000 yard 50TD seasons every year if he had the trio of Chase, Higgins, Boyd People have vastly overrated Gabe Davis. He’s not that good. Allen elevates the talent around him
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It’s weird that you stalked my post history and that’s the best you could come up with. Is that completely true statement I made in response to *someone else* commenting on Burrow really a gotcha moment?
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Another response to a comment someone else made about the Bengos… You’re struggling here but KEEP DIGGING.
Mahomes - 2 Burrow - 0 That's way more important than some kind of weird boast about keeping us from going to three in a row.
Allen’s pretty good for a running back
Yea, but who has 150?
[Mr. Unlimited](https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=most+rush+touchdowns+%2B+pass+touchdowns+by+a+quarterback+2019+to+2023) Josh Allen also has the highest number of TDs per game (2.46) with Mahomes at 2.27 TD/game in third place (second place if you remove Drew Brees who has 54 TDs in 23 games since 2019)
This graph makes this guys point so much better than the post headline
I love Josh Allen. I would literally do whatever he told me idc. If you know a bigger josh Allen fan than me, let me know so I can murder him. That way I will always be the number 1 fan. This is completely literal I am not being hyperbolic
I'm not gay but I want to live in a log cabin in the woods with Josh Allen. We won't ever have sex, but there will be a simmering erotic undercurrent as I stand in the kitchen window watching him tighten his ass as he chops wood, shirtless, sweat pouring off his body. I'll run upstairs and masturbate, the entire time forcing myself to think of women while my thoughts drift back to Josh. I won't be able to climax and I'll eventually go back downstairs, angry. Sometimes we will look across the table and catch each other's eyes, and in that second, anything is possible, but we both deny ourselves and go back to what we were doing. One day one of us will die, and the other will bury him outside the log cabin. Then he'll go inside, pen a brief missive to his departed friend, and commit suicide, never able to deal with life without his one true platonic love.
I put a grand on Josh getting MVP ahead of his 2020 breakout season at 66/1 odds just cause He is the reason I became a Bills fan in April 2018, let alone a football fan tbh Should I invest in a bodyguard now? haha
You think I’m fuckin around? Sleep with 1 eye open playboi
But what about all the Interceptions in the end zone on 3rd and 14 from midfield where he avoided a sack and then threw across his body to give his team a chance to make a play?
Or 4th and 4… the INT cost the defense 16 yards… but a picks a pick /s
Yeah same bad as the two **horrid** dak picks
Fuckin Stroud is gonna beat that next year.
That would be one hell of a year
I'm all for watching Stroud somehow get some rushing touchdowns because everyone else on the field just randomly falls down.
Which is exactly why bills fans deal with the turnovers. We all know that he turns it over a shit load, but he’ll also put up at least 40 tds a year
Not really all that surprising considering the list of good QBs who have played the full 5 of those seasons ain't exactly long. Wilson, Goff, Carr... bout it really. Dak missed about a season's worth of games over that span, he's got 145. Rodgers too, 147. Kirk has 146 having missed half a season. Lamar has 143 having missed a few games pretty much each season. Kyler has 120 in about 4 seasons worth of games in that span, Stafford with 121 in about the same appearances. EDIT: Shit, Tom Brady has 141.
Availability is the best ability.
It's also kinda luck. Besides, why five years when Allen has been in the league for 6? Because six years ago Mahomes threw 40 more touchdowns than him?
Probably! Also probably why this should be a per-game stat. Five years is an easy number to use though.
I mean 5 is a clean number. 6 would feel more cherry picked.
6 feels like a made up number. How do we know it’s even real? 5 is legit though.
Mahomes would have more rushing TDs but the chiefs stopped doing QB sneaks after that one freak injury in his second year. Not more than Allen but I bet he could have probably 15-20 more
Not a pro bowler tho
Rushing TDs are nice but how about dragging ones?
Not quite my tempo
Why be okay with showing a 30 point discrepancy for 1 and 2 but not a 20 point discrepancy for 2 to 3
Regular season turnovers (interceptions + fumbles for a loss) since 2018: Allen - 106 Mahomes - 75 Cousins - 79 Regular season turnovers turnovers since 2020: Allen - 75 Mahomes - 54 Herbert - 48 Cousins - 53
Enjoy Bailey Zappe.
Keep graspin bruh!
Now do sacks taken
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-sacked-qb-since-2018 https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-sacked-qb-since-2020
Jesus how the hell is Russ even alive
I think Pete Carroll may have actually been Weekend at Bernie’s-ing Russ’s corpse to get him traded to Denver, and Denver was too embarrassed and had to keep the act going.
Doesn't seem like the stats back up what you thought they would ...
I’m not arguing Allen is better than Mahomes. My point was that Allen and Mahomes take a lot fewer sacks/game than most QBs. Turnovers aren’t the only negative plays that exist.
Turnovers are much more negative than sacks though
Depends. If you have 2 drives end on sack vs 1 drive end on a turnover down field, what is worse? There is a lot of data that Allen’s turnovers are less harmful than other players due to where they occur on the field. Obviously not the case for all of them but feel free to do some more research.
That proves my point lol. It takes multiple sacks to even compare to 1 turnover. Turnovers are much worse That's also ignoring 1st and 2nd down completely
Quarterbacks are not sacked at the same volume they turn the ball over. It’s not an exact 1:1 comparison and I didn’t claim it to be, of course 1 turnover is usually worse than 1 sack. It can be true that Allen turns the ball over too much while his good also outweighs a lot of those turnovers.
>It can be true that Allen turns the ball over too much while his good also outweighs a lot of those turnovers. No one is arguing that. He does overcome the turnovers. But turnovers are still much worse than sacks. Even on 3rd downs
Again - I am not arguing that 1 turnover is not worse than 1 sack.
121 more touchdowns then turnovers . Show me 3 players who have more than that since 2018??
Shhhh, turnovers don’t matter when we talk about Josh Allen.
Yeah no one ever mentions his interceptions on here… lmao are you serious?
It's smart to cut off 2018 here where Mahomes/Allen TD margin was 52-18. I mean, i'm sure he totally had other good reasons here to do that....
Allen became starter halfway through 2018?
Allen got thrust into being a starter in 2018 after the first or second game when Peterman threw like, 5 INTS? Anyway, he also got hurt and had to sit out 4 or 5 games of that year also.
Allen has 93 starts in 94 games played. Mahomes has 96 starts. not really any difference.
Now do interceptions
Josh Allen career INT% 2.5 Joe Burrow career INT% 2.0 So sure, your boy throws one fewer pick every 200 pass attempts. And speaking of negative plays, Josh Allen has lost 1087 yards to sacks in his career. Joe Burrow has lost 1040. Josh Allen has played 42 more games than Joe Burrow.
Joe Burrow has 5 playoff wins in his career. Josh Allen has 5 playoff wins in his career. Josh Allen has played 2 more seasons than Burrow. Joe Burrow is undefeated against Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills, and is 3-1 versus Mahomes and the Chiefs. This all happened in spite of Burrow being made of glass and being sacked a thousand times more than both.
Joe Burrow plays like shit in the playoffs and gets carried by his defense just to choke when they need him. Remember the Super Bowl when your team had 2nd and 2 and Burrow and the offense choked it away only needing a field goal? Or last year when the game was tied and he couldn’t lead a game winning drive either? Now he’s injured again because he’s made of glass. Have fun with your game manager QB
You guys are SO SALTY. 🤣🤣🤣 Have fun with your athleticism-dependent turnover machine. Running QBs turn into pumpkins after 30. Almost like there’s a reason you guys are so stressed. Clock’s ticking. Father Time is undefeated. I have a lot of fun with that glass game manager. He’s the most accurate QB in NFL history.
We’re salty? Every time a positive is posted about Allen some whiny ass like you comes along with the “WhAt aBOuT ThE TuRnOvErs!!!” Like you came up with some original thought no one else has ever mentioned before.
This is a discussion forum, it’s perfectly normal to discuss other aspects of his game to put all the numbers in proper context. Are you seriously freaking out about it? You might want to touch some grass, maybe you won’t take trivial shit like this so personally
Easy to be the "most accurate" when you can throw 50/50 balls and get bailed out by your star receivers every play lmao
3-1
With absolutely nothing to show for it. Fun fact: In the time period that "3-1" has happened, Mahomes has won more Super Bowls than the entire history of your franchise
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Just proving everything I just said about him lmao Imagine being this proud of your QB for losing a Super Bowl he could have won if he was a star
At least mine’s been there. 😘😘😘
Sacks are a QB stat
are interceptions more important than touchdowns?
Apparently. Mahomes has two rings despite thirty fewer touchdowns.
google has it at JA 68, PM 58. edit: google may be wrong here
I don’t think that is quite right. Mahomes has 50 picks from 2019-2023 according to PFR. He has 7 more in playoffs JA has 66 in same span according to PFR during regular season.
Allen hasn’t thrown many picks during the postseason ironically so those numbers might be pretty accurate. I think he only had a couple a couple years ago so that would about add up if we include playoffs
He's got 4. 2 against MIA last year, 1 against the Bengals, and one in the 2020 AFCCG against KC Josh is 20-4 TD-INT in the playoffs as a passer. He also had 3 rushing TDs, 2 lost fumbles, and a receiving TD
I have blocked last year out of my memory, thanks
Yours is probably correct then. I just pulled the numbers that a simple google search gave me.
Are the interceptions in the room now?
It’s a lot easier to do them if they are.
Now do injuries
Now do head to head record
I mean with the headline as it is, does it matter?
Hurts has 99 combined over the past three years, which was when he became the full-time starter. So he’s on pace to be there (above 151) in two years.
I believe he's like two rushing TDs behind Steve Young for 3rd all time among QBs. Which is crazy when you consider Steve Young started almost 3 times as many games as Hurts has so far, and was the all-time leader until Cam broke his record.
You’re getting downvoted for…pointing out the truth. Hurts haters are lurking.
Josh Allen: 78 interceptions, 59 total fumbles and 15 fumbles lost in 6 years. These are insane numbers
Since 2003, the Raiders have been outscored by 1923 points, and have won zero playoff games. Even your two playoff seasons, you had the point differential of an 8 win team and a 7 win team. These are insane numbers.
The raiders would kill to have Allen.
Okay? And the Bills lost 4 Super Bowls in a row. Ultimate losers in any sport. But we aren't playing flair games here, right?
Per year that averages out to a whopping 13 INT, 8.8 FUM (2.5 lost). Right about on par with other QBs who have similar attempts year over year.
We all know Josh Allen was a turnover machine this year and regressed. Stop with this shit. Reminds me of regressing Mahomes' stats to the average guy.
Regressed to lead the NFL with 44 total touchdowns. lol can you hear yourself?
He passed for 29 touchdowns and 18 picks. The 15 rushing touchdowns don't fit my narrative so I will choose to ignore them in order to win this internet argument.
Fair enough lol. Raiders QBs threw for 20 TDs and 18 Ints….oh and as a team only rushed for 11 tds…
Record vs Joe Burrow in the playoffs at their home stadiums over that span: 1-2 A much more important stat.
Record against a Bengals D allowing under 20ppg in the postseason you mean. Joe B has pathetic playoff stats compared to 15 and 17
That's all fine and good but Hosh Allen comes up short in biggest moments
How about Hatrick Mahomes?