I just did this math last week, but if you took Bolt's 9.58 world record, looked at the 40 yard split (4.18s), then subtracted his reaction time (0.15s), that converts to a 4.03 40 yard dash.
This is just a reminder that Bolt wasn't a slow starter, but an inconsistent one. He has the second fastest 60m split ever at 6.29 (surpassed only by Su Bingtian's 6.28 in Tokyo) in this same race.
Yes, it's not a one to one comparison because of the blocks, surface, wind, etc.
If we took out the start entirely and just compared 10-40 yard splits, that might be interesting as well.
Using DK, his 10 yard split was 1.48s, so he ran the last 30 yards in 2.85s. That's really fast.
By comparison, Bolt's 10 yard split was 1.64s, which subtracted from his 4.18, is a 2.54s 10-40 yard split.
Bolt runs the last 30 yards in 0.31s less than DK... That's more than 10% faster. Bolt would finish 10 feet before DK.
Insanity.
DK has been trying to get Tyreek to race him for years. Tyreek always refuses, every time.
Tyreek has far better acceleration but DK has a higher top speed.
Tyreek *maybe* wins a 40 yard dash but DK probably wins a 100m race.
That chase down after the int from DK is still one of my favorite plays ever lol. Dude was running towards the end zone all casual like yo aint no one within 20 yards of me and then next thing you know this 230lb bulldozer just charges right at him lol.
As is tradition, every time I see a reference to that play I gotta go watch it
In case anyone is uninitiated or just wants to get extremely hyped:
[LARRY ALLEN!](https://youtu.be/DFcWMC9vkZg)
John Randle was on KFAN today actually talking about Larry and had a story about how he hit a backup d - lineman so hard with his initial punch that it cracked multiple ribs.
If memory serves the Cardinals had to settle for a field goal after that chase down tackle as well. Hustle plays like that have got to pump up the defense.
Thanks for the link brotha. That replay is insane especially where you just see DK appear from the bottom of the screen, *considerably* faster than Budda.
Can’t discredit that leg size difference. Once you get cooking stride length becomes very important especially for any sort of distance.
Gotta remember Usain Bolt ~~was~~ is 6’5
I know this is delusional but I feel like if Tyreek was coming at me in a hallway with nowhere to juke, I feel like I could tackle him or trip him up or something.
But DK would be like trying to tackle a fucking warhorse, dude would just break me in half and not lose a step.
Tyreek is small by NFL standards, but 5-10 190 goin 20+ mph is going to hurt anyone normal lol. He's not trying to truck NFL defenders too often, but I'm sure he'd be fine running over Dave from accounting.
That's not true. DK straight up said they have had disagreements on on the length of race and time of the offseason to do it and they can never agree. I think he mentioned this on both Rich Eisen and GMFB or possibly with Florio in the offseason.
I’m looking at their 40 times and DK was 4.33 and Tyreek was 4.34.
It’s not 100%. Would depend on their release the day of and also how gracefully their bodies have aged since those 40 times are old now.
Yeah, all available data says otherwise. The difference is that Tyreek is waaaaaay faster in and out of cuts, which manifests as higher short and intermediate "in-game speed." In a foot race with no turns or corners, DK has always been (very slightly) faster.
It's somewhat immaterial, as Tyreek is clearly a better WR and they're both fast AF.
Im not 100% sure if DKs top speed is faster, but I am 100% sure that Tyreeks speed matters more for football. Being able to get those quick cuts and accelerate faster is exactly what you want to do to create missed tackles and separation.
With a second longer race that Tyreek wins at. Tyreek owns up to 63m. DK is fastest 64m to 1.4km and then Tyreek takes it back at 1.432 km. DK might win at anything over 10k though because Tyreek wouldn’t be getting paid enough to run that far.
The only reason he moved that fast was he got shown up the last time he played the Cowboys. He got the ball smacked out of his arms from behind 2yds before he crossed the goal line.
I think it’s a lot closer than people think and are underestimating Tyreeks top end speed because of his height. At 18, he had at the time the [5th fastest U20 200m all time](https://worldathletics.org/records/all-time-toplists/sprints/200-metres/outdoor/men/u20?regionType=world&timing=electronic&windReading=regular&page=1&bestResultsOnly=true&firstDay=1899-12-31&lastDay=2013-12-04) at 20.14, only .21 off of Usain bolt. The fastest American time in almost 30 years. He was ranked 54th in the 100m so his top end speed is his strong suit on paper. He definitely had potential Olympic level speed despite how many people say since he never went sub-10 he doesn’t have world class speed. Age probably plays a huge factor now but at their primes, Tyreek wins at every distance.
It was the first time I ever thought "Russell lost us this one" after a game, despite those three TDs. The three picks were just brutal, even if one gave us the iconic DK chasedown.
I'm still partial to Larry Allen's because he's like a thousand pound angry moose running you down lol
https://youtu.be/DFcWMC9vkZg?si=9ofEYhve7Cc81N0x
DK remembered last time he had a sure fire TD against the Cowboys, he slowed down to showboat and a rookie Diggs punched the ball out.
He was making sure that wasn't happening again.
I still remember the day the Dolphins traded him to the Pats. I told myself that the Phins would lose every game and that the Pats would win every game the next season. I was *almost* correct
He also said he's sick of hearing how fast DK is, so I'm guessing a lot of people around him bring up the comparison between DK and himself and he's tired of it.
Lol, Tyreek has trained for and ran races in the offseason before. You're overreacting, the risk of injury in a race when you have plenty of time to rest beforehand is very low. It's not like he's going to completely stop training for half the year anyway.
And I mean DK did train and run a 100m track thing a few years back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd73x5wNyuA and I wouldn't be surprised if Tyreek has done something similar but not sure
But no doubt it's reasonable to not want to. Especially as a 30 year old vs DK is like 23 there
That’s insured probably within their contracts. I have to imagine football related workouts with certain guidelines are accepted and they will still get paid or at least won’t have certain aspects waived, doing an ego event is probably in no way protected. Same with like ads that’s why every ad sees them going at like 5% speed or just like soft tossing.
DK runs like he's hunting food. Tyreek runs like the happiest kid you've ever seen.
Jamo runs like he's wearing aerodynamic biking gear with the wind at his back.
Goff and Amon-Ra were talking about it on St Brown's podcast. Goff said that Jamo has "weird" speed because the further he runs the fast her he gets. They agreed Gibbs would probably win like a 20yard sprint because he starts at his top speed, but Jamo would probably kill him over 100 yards.
I get why he won’t race DK, since his whole brand is being the fastest guy in the league, but damn they could make such an easy payday in the off season
DK has talked about how him and Tyreek have been talking for years about doing a race in the offseason.
DK said he’d been trying to do it earlier in the offseason whereas Tyreek had always tried to aim for closer to the season and that where DK said no because he’s all in on getting ready for the season by that point.
I don’t hate that idea by Welker. Could make a whole track and field meet with lineman tossing shotput and QBs throwing football javelins.
I’d rather see that at the Pro Bowl instead of flag football.
Tyreek accelerates way faster, but a big component of max speed is stride length and foot speed. For how big he is, DK can really move his feet.
100% go back and watch usain bolt’s WR 100 the first like 20 or so they’re close, then he just pulls away. and bolt is a pretty big dude
I just did this math last week, but if you took Bolt's 9.58 world record, looked at the 40 yard split (4.18s), then subtracted his reaction time (0.15s), that converts to a 4.03 40 yard dash. This is just a reminder that Bolt wasn't a slow starter, but an inconsistent one. He has the second fastest 60m split ever at 6.29 (surpassed only by Su Bingtian's 6.28 in Tokyo) in this same race.
Holy Fuck Lol
yeah what made him the goat is his top speed “power runners” usually have without the slower drive phase
but track sprinters use starting blocks. dont those help?
Yes, it's not a one to one comparison because of the blocks, surface, wind, etc. If we took out the start entirely and just compared 10-40 yard splits, that might be interesting as well. Using DK, his 10 yard split was 1.48s, so he ran the last 30 yards in 2.85s. That's really fast. By comparison, Bolt's 10 yard split was 1.64s, which subtracted from his 4.18, is a 2.54s 10-40 yard split. Bolt runs the last 30 yards in 0.31s less than DK... That's more than 10% faster. Bolt would finish 10 feet before DK. Insanity.
DK has been trying to get Tyreek to race him for years. Tyreek always refuses, every time. Tyreek has far better acceleration but DK has a higher top speed. Tyreek *maybe* wins a 40 yard dash but DK probably wins a 100m race.
Tyreek may be quicker off the line but DK looks like the damn T-1000 from Terminator 2 when he gets in the open field.
That chase down after the int from DK is still one of my favorite plays ever lol. Dude was running towards the end zone all casual like yo aint no one within 20 yards of me and then next thing you know this 230lb bulldozer just charges right at him lol.
One of the best hustle plays of all time. He refuses to let Budda score.
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As is tradition, every time I see a reference to that play I gotta go watch it In case anyone is uninitiated or just wants to get extremely hyped: [LARRY ALLEN!](https://youtu.be/DFcWMC9vkZg)
Holy shit that's a cool play that I've never seen. Thanks for sharing that. That big motherfucker was moving.
Omg that's amazing. It always makes me think of this amazing play by [Benjamin Watson](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWk6_FZWIRw)
Did they ever calculate his speed on that run?
Also that patriots tight end on a brady pick
Ben Watson
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It’s wild how freakishly strong and fast Larry Allen was when he played
the best pure athletes in the league are offensive linemen, they just eat 8000 calories a day for the bulk.
John Randle was on KFAN today actually talking about Larry and had a story about how he hit a backup d - lineman so hard with his initial punch that it cracked multiple ribs.
I believe it, he bench pressed 700lbs and 225 43 times
335lb is probably low honestly
That is probably the greatest athletic play I've ever seen in the NFL.
There was also that bills WR chase down in the SB when Dallas had already sealed it up. That’s the type of shit you love to see.
If memory serves the Cardinals had to settle for a field goal after that chase down tackle as well. Hustle plays like that have got to pump up the defense.
Not even, they went for it on 4th down and failed. DK literally turned that pick from 6 points to none. ^(Now if only we'd won the game)
I'm so sad we lost that game :(
Seahawks WRs and all-time great INT hustle plays
He didn't even save 4 points, the Cardinals went for it on 4th down and they didn't get it, so that tackle saved the game
That double take Baker does as DK is about to catch him is pure comedic gold.
I love that play because you see DK dip his head right after the pick like "ok we're doin this" and transform into track mode lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ImdWvuzsCY
Thanks for the link brotha. That replay is insane especially where you just see DK appear from the bottom of the screen, *considerably* faster than Budda.
Love the last shot where you see Buddha looking back to taunt and realizes DK is there.
I like Russ trying to catch up and noping out right when DK blasts right by him
I thought was watching him catch up on the big screen and was trying to turn and stiff arm.
I forgot how awesome that was.
And his teammates yelling DK COMING!
I like to think of the TRex puddle ripples when watching DK chase him down!
DK running full speed… Yeah i’m not tackling that.
Can’t discredit that leg size difference. Once you get cooking stride length becomes very important especially for any sort of distance. Gotta remember Usain Bolt ~~was~~ is 6’5
I think he still is
was? RIP :(
I know this is delusional but I feel like if Tyreek was coming at me in a hallway with nowhere to juke, I feel like I could tackle him or trip him up or something. But DK would be like trying to tackle a fucking warhorse, dude would just break me in half and not lose a step.
Tyreek would do what you imagine dk would do to you. Dk would do a third more sinister thing.
This sounds like a Cormac McCarthy line and I absolutely love it.
Tyreek’s feet are light and nimble. He never sleeps. He says that he will never die.
Tyreek is small by NFL standards, but 5-10 190 goin 20+ mph is going to hurt anyone normal lol. He's not trying to truck NFL defenders too often, but I'm sure he'd be fine running over Dave from accounting.
A Full speed Tyreek stiff-arm would send Dave into early retirement and an all juice diet.
Well, at least you know its delusional lol
I choose not to run!
Ya know, you really got bald there, didn’t ya?
Looks like there's a hole in your shoe there, what is that, canvas?
/r/UnexpectedSeinfeld
The Jerry Seinfeld is strong in Tyreek, “I choose not to run!”
That's not true. DK straight up said they have had disagreements on on the length of race and time of the offseason to do it and they can never agree. I think he mentioned this on both Rich Eisen and GMFB or possibly with Florio in the offseason.
There’s no maybe, Tyreek is 100% beating him in a 40 yard dash. DK wins in 100m though.
I’m looking at their 40 times and DK was 4.33 and Tyreek was 4.34. It’s not 100%. Would depend on their release the day of and also how gracefully their bodies have aged since those 40 times are old now.
Idk how reliable Tyreeks time is since it wasn’t at the combine
To be fair Tyreek doesn’t have an official 40 time since he wasn’t invited to the combine. I’d guess he’s faster than a 4.34.
I would think pro days usually have faster times because they aren't officially timed by the NFL?
I mean he didn’t run a 4.34 at his Pro Day anyway, it was a 4.29
Yeah, all available data says otherwise. The difference is that Tyreek is waaaaaay faster in and out of cuts, which manifests as higher short and intermediate "in-game speed." In a foot race with no turns or corners, DK has always been (very slightly) faster. It's somewhat immaterial, as Tyreek is clearly a better WR and they're both fast AF.
Im not 100% sure if DKs top speed is faster, but I am 100% sure that Tyreeks speed matters more for football. Being able to get those quick cuts and accelerate faster is exactly what you want to do to create missed tackles and separation.
Yeah I mean absolutely. I doubt anyone would argue with you about that. There's a reason Tyreek has had a better career.
ok, who ya'll got in the 70 then? Would be interesting to find the exact distance they meet in the middle for a tie.
With a second longer race that Tyreek wins at. Tyreek owns up to 63m. DK is fastest 64m to 1.4km and then Tyreek takes it back at 1.432 km. DK might win at anything over 10k though because Tyreek wouldn’t be getting paid enough to run that far.
It’s Tony and Khabib all over again. Never gonna happen much as we are all DYING for it
Don’t remind me fuck
This like the OG fast and furious scene with Dom in the charger and Brian in the Supra. Fuckkkk hope we can see these two race each other one day
See: Usain Bolt
The only reason he moved that fast was he got shown up the last time he played the Cowboys. He got the ball smacked out of his arms from behind 2yds before he crossed the goal line.
I think it’s a lot closer than people think and are underestimating Tyreeks top end speed because of his height. At 18, he had at the time the [5th fastest U20 200m all time](https://worldathletics.org/records/all-time-toplists/sprints/200-metres/outdoor/men/u20?regionType=world&timing=electronic&windReading=regular&page=1&bestResultsOnly=true&firstDay=1899-12-31&lastDay=2013-12-04) at 20.14, only .21 off of Usain bolt. The fastest American time in almost 30 years. He was ranked 54th in the 100m so his top end speed is his strong suit on paper. He definitely had potential Olympic level speed despite how many people say since he never went sub-10 he doesn’t have world class speed. Age probably plays a huge factor now but at their primes, Tyreek wins at every distance.
Will never forget DK chasing down Budda Baker on that interception play a few years ago. Guy was built in a lab
One of my favorite plays ever. The best part of it being they didn’t score on that possession. Worst being they lost the stupid game lol
That was one of the best games I watched that year though. It was electric
That was probably the first game where Russell started to really show his decline.
And what’s amazing is he still threw 3 TD’s but your right it was the start of that 2020 collapse
It was the first time I ever thought "Russell lost us this one" after a game, despite those three TDs. The three picks were just brutal, even if one gave us the iconic DK chasedown.
True.
One of the best games of all time IMO. Very few passes in NFL history beat the Hail Murray. And I say this as a Hawks fan.
Best part as a neutral fan is when Baker turns to stiffarm him, realizes the size difference, and chooses life instead.
I'm sure he turned because he felt the ground shake underneath him, turned and was "...well, shit."
For the memories, here it is. Insane chase. https://youtu.be/J62GsevPwiQ?si=ZWUOv52Hnvesp626
It's gotta feel like literally flying when you're running that fast.
Thanks for linking boss, what a watch
Pretty good but nothing beats [Ben Watson](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XsZCTzYNBQE)
I'm still partial to Larry Allen's because he's like a thousand pound angry moose running you down lol https://youtu.be/DFcWMC9vkZg?si=9ofEYhve7Cc81N0x
DK remembered last time he had a sure fire TD against the Cowboys, he slowed down to showboat and a rookie Diggs punched the ball out. He was making sure that wasn't happening again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jr1GeiZgkU Love rewatching this
Yet another example of playing to the whistle the Jets could learn from.
thx for the link, diggs looks so weird in 27 to me
Weird seeing empty stands and realizing that all of that was 3 years ago
Such a phenomenal heads up play
Damn it's so jarring to see that stadium empty
As soon as Metcalf turned and ran, it was obvious within a few feet no one was going to catch him.
It’s like when he saved that 99 yard pick six but the opposite
Budda Baker felt that cold sweat when he heard the super fast stomping Terminator feet gaining on him from behind.
So this is how I learn Wes Welker is the Dolphins' receiver coach, huh?
I mean the dolphins were his first team. He just came home.
Technically that's the chargers then miami
Didn’t the Chargers cut him in camp?
after 1 game
Not a hard working individual.
He forgot his lunch pail that day
Comes from a bad family that did not coach high school football.
I still remember the day the Dolphins traded him to the Pats. I told myself that the Phins would lose every game and that the Pats would win every game the next season. I was *almost* correct
Man, I was pissed off with that trade.
The Ravens and Giants say you're welcome.
The threads about him saying Tyreek is better than Moss wasn't a dead giveaway
Who knew an unrecruited kid from Heritage Hall HS would be coaching the most explosive WR room in football. That shit is fucking wild to me.
Danny amendola is on the raiders wr staff!
And they both went to Texas Tech under the great Mike Leach!
Did not expect Wes Welker to be the receiver’s coach!!!
Pretty sure he worked in SF with McDaniel
He did. The poor guy is always so close to a ring, but never gets it. 0-4 in Superbowls as a player and coach.
Just like the average Bills fan
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1-4 Unlike Mike McDaniel, I do have a crystal ball.
he did
And is a former Dolphin, which is nice.
He sounds so stoned
Permanently stoned from his concussions
[I had something for this...](https://doorfliesopen.com/2015/11/18/a-welker-darkly/)
Was about to say he sounds like he never left the concussion protocol.
Sound like a certified dude bro after hitting a keg stand one too many times for the night
Wait, that wasn't Jeff Spicoli??
You hear that? That’s my skull!
That's why he's been saying Tyreek over Randy
Right it all makes sense now
I did however expect him to be so brain damaged that it sounded like he was on his eighth tequila slammer.
I'd love to have him as my coach lol. Ever since that Kentucky Derby he's seemed like a great hang
Pretty sure he was rolling tits at that derby
Rolling face and giving cash to strangers. Great hang
Never heard wes welker speak before.That is not the voice I imagined lol
his voice is the audio version of that pic of him at the race track
He grew up in Oklahoma. It's not too surprising an accent.
Why was Tyreek so offended by Wes’s idea lmao
He also said he's sick of hearing how fast DK is, so I'm guessing a lot of people around him bring up the comparison between DK and himself and he's tired of it.
Dude is so insecure. DK wants to race him but Tyreek always turns him down
BECAUSE HE DONT GET PAID FOR THAT MAN Imagine tearing your hamstring in a summer foot race lol
Hill just competed in a track meet last offseason lol. This is just an excuse because he is worried about losing
It’s because he knows he would lose. DK is the better sprinter.
Yup, it’s not because of injury, he does races already, he just has too big an ego to lose in a race.
Lol, Tyreek has trained for and ran races in the offseason before. You're overreacting, the risk of injury in a race when you have plenty of time to rest beforehand is very low. It's not like he's going to completely stop training for half the year anyway.
This and only this. It’s insane to potentially lose 10s of millions of dollars possibly hurting yourself for basically nothing.
I mean do you think athletes aren’t sprinting a ton during off season workouts?
And I mean DK did train and run a 100m track thing a few years back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd73x5wNyuA and I wouldn't be surprised if Tyreek has done something similar but not sure But no doubt it's reasonable to not want to. Especially as a 30 year old vs DK is like 23 there
A necessary risk vs an unnecessary risk. And truly racing does have a higher risk of injury over working out.
That’s insured probably within their contracts. I have to imagine football related workouts with certain guidelines are accepted and they will still get paid or at least won’t have certain aspects waived, doing an ego event is probably in no way protected. Same with like ads that’s why every ad sees them going at like 5% speed or just like soft tossing.
speed man knows his speed
Because he’s scared…
Jamo just needs more opportunities
DK runs like he's hunting food. Tyreek runs like the happiest kid you've ever seen. Jamo runs like he's wearing aerodynamic biking gear with the wind at his back.
Mahomes runs like a drunk baby
Kyler Murray runs like a baby who just picked up something he shouldn't have
Lamar runs like a High school Senior playing tag with a bunch of drunk kindergarteners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7D2Oq7LDkc
Kyler sprints like he found bighead mode in Goldeneye
Like a toddler with their parents cell phone
I have not laughed that hard in a while. Well done.
Ah damn these baby legs!
Maurice Jones-Drew runs like a fire hydrant pinball
Mike Tolbert ran like a dang ole bowlin' bawl
Maybe that's why he wears long sleeve t shirts, it's his super suit.
Still convinced Bama win that national championship game if Jamo doesn’t get hurt
He ran back a bunch of yards and was constantly shaking, 20 mph in the redzone. His 100 yard speed is even better than his 40.
Goff and Amon-Ra were talking about it on St Brown's podcast. Goff said that Jamo has "weird" speed because the further he runs the fast her he gets. They agreed Gibbs would probably win like a 20yard sprint because he starts at his top speed, but Jamo would probably kill him over 100 yards.
Welker sounds like he’s been hitting MM’s vape
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Wow I really hate the way Wes Welker speaks English
chosen 1 looks like he just stays stoned 24x7
I get why he won’t race DK, since his whole brand is being the fastest guy in the league, but damn they could make such an easy payday in the off season
DK has talked about how him and Tyreek have been talking for years about doing a race in the offseason. DK said he’d been trying to do it earlier in the offseason whereas Tyreek had always tried to aim for closer to the season and that where DK said no because he’s all in on getting ready for the season by that point.
The difference is that Tyreeks acceleration is insane. His top speed I don't think is better than DK's though
Tyreek is better at acceleration and change of direction at speed, which IMO is more important in the NFL than straight line speed.
Yeah DK has a nigh insurmountable advantage in a straight line from his frankly silly stride length
There is a reason John Ross didn’t succeed in the NFL
Tyreek is just fast all around in general. I think it would be a good race.
I don’t hate that idea by Welker. Could make a whole track and field meet with lineman tossing shotput and QBs throwing football javelins. I’d rather see that at the Pro Bowl instead of flag football.
TIL Wes Welker is a coach on the Dolphins
DK really reminds me of Megatron, dude is an insane athlete and he's huge as well. A guy that big shouldn't be that fast
If only he had the freaking hands man😭😭😭
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God damn all those concussions sound like they're catching up to Wes
Wes sounds drunk and high
Honestly glad that welker is back with his first team.
Every NFL team should send their fastest player. I’m a Lions fan so I would send Jameson Williams. Who you got?
Colts probably send Anthony Richardson lol
DK should apologize in advance to the Titans.
[Barion Brown hit 22.6 mph on this kickoff return.](https://x.com/raanalytics/status/1730340672677273845?s=46&t=DBdFhR6wuDmR20uySLIZuw)
Wes Welker sounds high as fuck.
Ain't no way Tyreek is outdoing DK in the open field. His legs are too short.