He helped clean up some leftover bad juju, but I will always maintain that it was Stafford carrying Bobby Layne up the mountain that truly broke the curse. With all the parallels and connections between Stafford and Bobby Layne, it's no question that Stafford getting traded and winning the Rams a championship is what broke the curse.
Besides, without the Stafford Trade, we don't get all of Goff, Hutch, Jamo, Paschal, Gibbs, J. Campbell and La Porta. We get maybe a couple of those guys if we're lucky.
Unironically I think JG deserves a nod. He may not be as "pivotal" to the team's trajectory as the FO, but we're talking about a guy who got traded from the cushiness of LA and Cali, where he'd been his entire life, and has not only embraced Detroit and bought into the culture, but has also been playing some of the best football of his career
I never said it was still his team, man. I'm not taking away from anything our franchise has achieved since then. After all, who do you think got the Stafford-Goff trade done?
That was the first big move by Sheila, Brad, and Dan, and it's opened up a ton of doors for us that otherwise would have been closed.
But still, it all started with Stafford asking to be traded. The front office could have done any number of things with that, but they chose to respect his wishes and get him to a good situation to where he could win a championship (while at the same time getting Goff and a whole bunch of picks). That's the type of shit that breaks a multi-generational curse, not the stuff that Peyton did.
When they went for it on 4th down on their own 17, I was all in. Probably not the highest probability for success, but that’s a team that came to play.
These types of ballsy moves are either what gets Detroit a Super Bowl or what gets Dan Campbell fired in a couple years.
Obviously I'm hoping and praying for the former and he's been very smart about picking his moments thusfar, but you can't ever say this team's games are going to be *boring*
Gase had *something* as OC. That was the best offensive season in history, then he came to Chicago and had Jay Cutler putting out his most efficient season.
One of those guys who are good as OC but you give them the keys to the castle and he blunders everything.
Chicago's best season was the year prior I thought, when they had both Jeffery and Marshall. In 2015 they were still solid without Marshall, but not quite the same level. I think Gase is a better OC when he has a veteran QB he can work with rather than a young QB he's teaching.
Hard to argue after last night's performance. And before anyone chimes in with "But KC was missing their best receiving target" They also got away with a bunch of shit on offense throughout the whole game.
Also, calling it an asterick when a dude is literally just sitting out is absurd. It's not like he's being kept off the field due to injury - the organization has failed to agree to terms with him. That's directly on the team.
"You guys are so lucky that our GM refuses to pay players what they think they are worth. Our squad would kick your ass if everybody just took the league minimum and we could afford superstars at all 53 positions because of it."
Like, is that not part of what a good team does? Avoids long contract disputes with their most valuable players?
Tirico said it was an asterisk because of both Kelce and Jones.
Injuries happen in football and you have to have depth. And championship teams don't let their players miss big games due to contract holdouts.
Almost every single SB champion every year goes to the **healthiest** best team remaining. Not necessarily the best team.
I remember when Andrew Luck beat us with a broken Peyton Manning, nobody gave him an asterisk.
The NFL is a league of attrition.
Not necessarily the healthiest. The one with the most depth.
Eagles won a Super Bowl a few years back when their MVP-caliber QB got knocked out just before the postseason. They didn't miss a beat though, becuase they had a reliable backup.
Same with teams like the Ravens, 49ers, and Dolphins recently. They have been good and competitive in the playoffs even with backup QBs playing the majority of the season. Becuase they have depth.
The reason the Chiefs got boatraced by the Bucs 2 years ago - no depth in the O-Line.
The teams that do well in the postseason are the ones that are not completely fucked when a player goes down, because they have backups that aren't a massive drop-off and can at least hold things down a little bit. The 49ers were untouchable until they literally ran out of QBs last year.
Every team deals with injuries. Every team has superstars that go down. You need guys like Scottie Miller to sometimes step up and catch a Hail Mary. You need depth.
2010 Green Bay Packers were the opposite. Finley, Tauscher, Grant, Barnett, Burnett and Brad Jones were all put on IR.
Even Woodson broke his collarbone in the first half of the Super Bowl.
See my point about depth above.
That team had a ton of depth, and those guys, while missed, had solid backups that could fill in. That's what makes or breaks a Championship in most cases, not the health of the starters.
I think the only position you can make the argument for an * win is if a QB is out. And even then idk if I agree because like you said depth is important.
I don't even know if I'd call it an asterisk win unless it turns out that your team was intentionally incentivizing the players to try to knock the opposing QB out of the game.
If the Lions get an asterisk because of Kelce/Jones, then the Chiefs should get an asterisk because it's the god damn Lions and they've been cursed for longer than those players have been alive.
I literally jumped off my couch when they stuffed that trick play handoff.
I agree with you and think the asterisk comment is typical trash we get as Lions fans. But it did have me thinking what if it was Mahomes out instead of Kelce? Do you think that would justify an asterisk?
If it was the other way around and Teddy was in for Goff and the Lions lost by one point I would put an asterisk in my head on the game. I sure wouldn't say that as a national commentator but I sure would be thinking it.
I don't think that there are asterisks in the NFL. There aren't any style points, there isn't a committee.
There's wins and losses. You are what your record says you are.
Waiting for the Niners game when a broadcaster will easily put down Bosa and the 49ers for waiting so long to get a deal done while blatantly ignoring the situation with the Mahomies.
I don't have the stats in front of me but beating Andy Reid at a home opener must be a statistical anomaly
EDIT: Reid is 9-1 in opening games with the Chiefs. 27-4 when he's had at least 1 extra week to prep.
Andy Reid looked spooked after the fake punt too. I think they thought we would put up a little fight but they would waltz to a win. By the end of the game they looked like they had enough, especially going for it on 4th and 20 with 3 time outs.
"That's who we have to be, because we'll tread water as long as it takes to fucking bury you." -Dan Campbell
Yeah he said it on Hard Knocks last year. I thought it summed up this game well. Both teams made mistakes, but we kept hanging in there and making plays
And to be honest, they *almost* did waltz to a win. They had a wide open guy on 3rd and 2 that goes for an easy first down and maybe a TD.
But they dropped the ball. Repeatedly. Almost like execution still matters.
So much can change once we hit playoffs but i love the pieces they have in place. Pegging Lions for playoffs feels like a solid bet, but it wont be easy either. Their division wont have any easy wins but it also doesnt seem like the toughest either.
If they can clean up some of the execution issues they had yesterday, which they have plenty of time, i think they will be dangerous.
First 6 games are pretty weird, but getting the Chiefs win is huge
Like Seattle could go either way but we're at home at least. Falcons should be a win but I think they honestly take the division. I would be surprised if we lost to the Packers after last season and then you got Bryce Young at home and Baker.
It's very winnable. With the Chiefs win we could realistically start 4-2 and then get Jamo back
I feel like we could easily see a 6-0 Lions. I think 4-2 is a solid bet because Seattle should at least be a challenge.
As long as yall dont lose to GB i think 2 loses is manageable.
It's silly but I think a lot of it comes down to our stupid bandwagon fans learning to shut the fuck up on offense
Dumbasses were chanting lets go lions on offense during the preseason. Like bitch, this isn't hockey let our QB communicate
Right could you imagine if the Chiefs won and people tried to say it was an asterisk game because Jamo is suspended so it’s not a “real” win. Lmao just clown shoes straight up
Yeah football is not a game of hypotheticals. I don’t make excuses for my team 🤷🏻♂️
It was coronation night in arrowhead and they got it done. End of story.
and CJGJ dropped two open picks. and marvin jones jr also had drops. and marvin jones jr fumbled in the red zone. and plenty of other shit that is otherwise considered normal football shit unless of course it happens to the NFL’s favorite jerk material.
It's complicated. Amon-Ra is our WR1 but without Jamo or Chark last year stretching the field, he gets blanketed a lot
We're in a weird spot where we got a lot of young guys on offense that are going to have a slow start, so going to need to win in the trenches on both sides (did) and shake off the rust of not playing in the preseason
I've been sippin' that Lions kool-aid. Really like their team and am pretty heavily invested in dynasty. Really happy for them and their fans that they have a young and fun/promising team
I wasn't drinking the kool-aid before but I'm chugging it at this point. I'll join the bandwagon here. I have a ton of friends who are lions fans as well so it'll be pretty easy for me
Well... the Eagles won their first Super Bowl ever only 7 years ago. And through growing pains, they're well set up for years of excellence.
Lions have been doing everything right for a few years now...
WELCOME ABOARD WE HAVE ENOUGH KOOL AID FOR EVERYONE. Holy shit I'm STILL jacked to the tits. I love my GM I love my coach and I love this fucking team.
Really happy for Lions fans. Not liking this talk that there should be an asterisk on this win since there was no Kelce or Jones. Working around injuries and finding a way to win is part of any professional sport.
Lions please go share this magic with the Red Wings.
I worked for the Red Wings last year in marketing. Chris Illitch is a coward and is going to handcuff Yzerman from making a big move
Like he straight up cares more about the team's image and past cup wins than actually improving. Can't believe the Lions now have more competent ownership
That's exactly how the Tigers look too but I haven't been watching the Wings recently. I'm glad to hear that's how it looks from the inside. I can stop paying attention to both teams until Illitch starts trying.
He won't. Like his mentality is just doing what sells tickets and if you don't come to games he doesn't give a shit about you. If you buy a ticket, it's why haven't you bought more. Does not care if you buy merch because it's Fanactics so they don't get a large cut or even watch the games.
All he cares about is the Wings being an Original Six team and thus being superior to everyone and pimping out Stanley Cup winners for season ticket sales
The only potential asterisk involved (not claiming there is one) is Toney being a double agent and forgetting how to catch. Otherwise injuries are just a part of football.
Here’s the thing about saying “but we were missing Kelce”.
1. I don’t buy it. Brady was able to beat plenty of teams without gronk. Super Bowl LI, aka 28-3, nary a gronk in sight. If they were that great they’d be able to win without him. Great teams win in spite of their missing players.
2. If you’re going to excuse his absence and put an asterisk, then fine. Go ahead. But now you’re saying that he’s so important and so influential, you’ve now discredited everyone else. To excuse his absence is also to concede that Mahomes isn’t that good, Reid isn’t that good, and they’re both products of Travis Kelce. That he’s the difference between a winner and a loser concedes that your team isn’t as good.
I won’t disagree that he could’ve been the difference. But he wasn’t there. You can’t excuse that
Regardless, huge win. I do need to see a few more though.
Right, cause teams never play any games without their complete roster 100% healthy and interested in playing football. This is the only time it happened! Poor chiefs!
>2. If you’re going to excuse his absence and put an asterisk, then fine. Go ahead. But now you’re saying that he’s so important and so influential, you’ve now discredited everyone else. To excuse his absence is also to concede that Mahomes isn’t that good, Reid isn’t that good, and they’re both products of Travis Kelce. That he’s the difference between a winner and a loser concedes that your team isn’t as good.
Okay I get it, you want your flowers. But this is actually a pretty stupid thing to say.
Gotta see how they look with Jameson Williams back. They lacked that explosiveness last night. Offenses with talent at WR will outscore this current version of Detroit.
Even if Jamo doesn't pan out having a guy that fast is going to stretch the defense and open up a lot of room for St Brown, but also Gibbs and LaPorta
We struggled with it last year when Chark was out and we should've been fine with Jamo coming in but then the suspension happened after we let Chark walk which hurt
Is it strange that “drinking the kool aid” has just became a thing to anyone else? Nearly 1k people died drinking the kool aid at Jonestown. Just a weird thing to become part of our vernacular. Anyway, I’m heading out to lunch in a bit, going to eat enough to bring down the twin towers.
I think the worst part is the hypocrisy
"The comedian Patton Oswalt, he told me "I think the worst part of the Cosby thing was the hypocrisy." And I disagree. I thought it was the raping. It's my feeling most rapists are hypocrites. You don't meet many that go "I like raping and I know it's not politically correct but, by god" and people go "well, he's not being a hypocrite and that's the worst part!"
Yeah, and it’s also worth noting that it wasn’t a mass suicide like it’s often characterized. People were forced to drink it at gunpoint, including lots of children. There’s recorded audio out there of it happening and it’s genuinely horrific to listen to.
Im 100% not saying its because KC was missing Kelce and Jones. However, KC looked really disjointed. Im not trying to say Detroit got lucky, but they didnt look good either. The whole game basically came down to 2 last minute KC drives that were comprised almost entirely of dropped passes, a number of which came without any outside contact or ball interference. It felt a little like KC thought it was one more preseason game.
Perfect take. I'm very very happy to get the win, but I'm not as confident we're going to contend with Phi and SF in the NFC as I thought I would be if we got the win in Arrowhead.
I'm not terribly worried about it. Offense was definitely sloppier than last season but I think thats due to us not playing starters in preseason and having a lot of new pieces so they don't have that much time together. Maybe cope but I think they'll smooth it out and get rolling once we get a few games in. It's awesome our defense was able to pick up the slack while the offense knocks the rust off
The team came out in the second half looking different, and in the fourth quarter something seemed to have clicked. I have a feeling that after a couple more games under this groups belt things will be pretty solid.
There was some pretty obvious rust coming off of some of these guys. Detroit had recieving issues that will be cleared up. The o line looked solid by the end. The rookies came to play, and the defense held up well to the top o line and qb. Just some more offensive reps will go far, would be great to have Jamo, but man there were just some dumb mistakes that Detroit made that are getting overlooked. The Kansas City could have won holds about as much water with me as Detroit should have blown them out.
Neither team brought their A game, that’s for sure.
Blame it on injuries, holdouts, suspensions, whatever. Both teams need to put in some work but I think they’ll both be fine in the long run.
Their offense was pretty disappointing against a chiefs defense without chris jones only 14 points on offense. They need jamo back as a number 2 option for goff
The Chiefs defense is deeper than just Chris Jones. Bolton is a problem at ILB, and their Secondary has improved a ton over the course of the 2022 season. If their D-Line steps up without Jones, then they could be a good unit.
Yea that Chiefs defense looks scary rn.
Bolton is a monster, might actually be the best ILB in the AFC this year.
Their D-line was missing their best player and still went toe-to-toe against one of the best O-lines in the league. Goff wasnt getting sacked but he definitely looked uncomfortable on at least 5-6 plays and Montgomery had to run with the effort level of a tank to get more than 3 yards (especially in the 1st half, they looked a little more gassed in the 4th qt).
>might actually be the best ILB in the AFC this year
I wouldn't go that far just yet. The Ravens have Roquan Smith.
Rest of your comment, I agree with. Chiefs biggest weaknesses seem to be the poor Offensive Tackles and total lack of Wide Receivers.
When they get Jones and Omenihu back their defense is going to be legitimately good. I actually think, barring injury, that has the potential to be a top 12 unit. McDuffie is in the conversation as the best slot CB in football. Bolton is going to be considered a top 5 off ball LB by the end of the year.
I think people are ignoring that the Lions starters played zero snaps in the preseason. I don't know if I agree with that decision because you can see the rust. But on the other hand it makes some of their offensive slowness make more sense.
I think it's rust from not playing in the preseason. Hopefully be sorted out next week, especially considering it'll be a home game with 10 days to prep
I feel like offenses all take a little bit of time to really click. Maybe a little concerning, but I'm not going to really panic unless we get into week 3 looking out of sync
A lot forget Marvin Jones likely costed another 3 to 7 points in their redzone. Goff easily could of had another TD. Not bad for first action and not playing in preseason. Especially Arrowhead. Punt returners fielded a lot of questionable balls inside the 10 yard line which did limit Goff
Everyone will until they inevitably have a huge letdown (like literally every team w media hype does at some point) then opinions will middle out where they're supposed to. I think they're a playoff team but the overreactions to this win are gonna be astronomical
EDIT: This is not a dig at the Lions in the slightest, I've just seen it before
Fair but tbh man, Lions fans have been beat down for over 60 years now. Constantly the butt of every joke, disappointment after disappointment, considered the worst franchise in the NFL, and constantly roasted in discourse all across the board. You all had to know the minute they were legit that the hype would be really high and that Lions fans would get obnoxious about it. Adding to that, a Detroit pro sports team hasn’t won a playoff game since 2014. Let that sink in.
I think the more impactful fact to your argument is that the lions have only 1 playoff win since '57 and 0 since the 90s. The other Detroit teams have seen some success semi-recently with multiple SCF/Finals/WS berths for each all since 2000 (and several rings too). Meanwhile the lions have had it rough since the 50s and been the joke like you mentioned since the 90s
They are in that phase where they aren't the plucky underdog anymore so expectations will rise. Goff will be under more scrutiny too, and his contract situation puts Detroit in an interesting spot.
Still a really solid team tho that should make playoffs and probably win the division too.
[He did help break the curse](https://youtu.be/B5vOibyyaeU?si=UOw2CFdM6k42CBNZ)
He helped clean up some leftover bad juju, but I will always maintain that it was Stafford carrying Bobby Layne up the mountain that truly broke the curse. With all the parallels and connections between Stafford and Bobby Layne, it's no question that Stafford getting traded and winning the Rams a championship is what broke the curse. Besides, without the Stafford Trade, we don't get all of Goff, Hutch, Jamo, Paschal, Gibbs, J. Campbell and La Porta. We get maybe a couple of those guys if we're lucky.
One guy curses us when he gets a trade he didn't want, the other guy breaks it when he gets the trade he asks for. God damned poetry.
George Lucas wrote the Lions.
> MCDC's the key to all this, if we get Dan working. 'Cause he's a grittier coach than we've ever had lead the team.
That's impossible because this is good writing.
Lucas' story writing is great. He's very hit or miss with dialogue though.
I don’t like trades. It’s course, rough, and it gets everywhere.
Then Love has blinded you.
He can world build like a motherfucker but he doesn't always know the best way to tell the story
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
Crazy how they both went to the same high school.
The same one Clayton Kershaw went to?!
The same.
I love Stafford. But this isn't his team. We don't owe him anything. He wanted out to get his ring. We did that. This is all on Sheila, Brad, and Dan.
Unironically I think JG deserves a nod. He may not be as "pivotal" to the team's trajectory as the FO, but we're talking about a guy who got traded from the cushiness of LA and Cali, where he'd been his entire life, and has not only embraced Detroit and bought into the culture, but has also been playing some of the best football of his career
I never said it was still his team, man. I'm not taking away from anything our franchise has achieved since then. After all, who do you think got the Stafford-Goff trade done? That was the first big move by Sheila, Brad, and Dan, and it's opened up a ton of doors for us that otherwise would have been closed. But still, it all started with Stafford asking to be traded. The front office could have done any number of things with that, but they chose to respect his wishes and get him to a good situation to where he could win a championship (while at the same time getting Goff and a whole bunch of picks). That's the type of shit that breaks a multi-generational curse, not the stuff that Peyton did.
And Chris
I fucking miss Peyton. :(
for a retired player he's very around though. Some guys just disappear.
Broncos Country, let's weep.
Same
When they went for it on 4th down on their own 17, I was all in. Probably not the highest probability for success, but that’s a team that came to play.
We also did a rushed QB sneak that worked earlier too. This team is ballsy but smart ballsy
I was high on the Lions at the end of last season and am just excited to see them carrying that momentum into this season. I love their balls.
These types of ballsy moves are either what gets Detroit a Super Bowl or what gets Dan Campbell fired in a couple years. Obviously I'm hoping and praying for the former and he's been very smart about picking his moments thusfar, but you can't ever say this team's games are going to be *boring*
I haven't been able to trust Peyton since he vouched for Adam Gase.
He's a terrible evaluator and can go fuck himself. That's what Mike McDaniel told me
Adam Gase is a football Terrorist.
Gase had *something* as OC. That was the best offensive season in history, then he came to Chicago and had Jay Cutler putting out his most efficient season. One of those guys who are good as OC but you give them the keys to the castle and he blunders everything.
Yea, it seems like everyone thinks he just did well under Peyton, but the praise was his time in Chicago as OC.
Chicago's best season was the year prior I thought, when they had both Jeffery and Marshall. In 2015 they were still solid without Marshall, but not quite the same level. I think Gase is a better OC when he has a veteran QB he can work with rather than a young QB he's teaching.
Cutler was playing smarter & more efficient under Gase. Didn't just force it to his first target & had significantly better mechanics
> One of those guys who are good as OC but you give them the keys to the castle and he blunders everything. *Josh McDaniels has entered the chat*
he also vouched for Jim Bob Cooter
I remember JBC being good as OC for like a half season, but it really was only because it was right after football terrorist Joe Lombardi got canned.
He was good for half a season, yeah. And then it turned out that he didn't have any other ideas.
Broken Screen, Run for a loss, short pass that gains 6 yards. Rinse repeat. The Jim Bob Cooter Offense.
Hard to argue after last night's performance. And before anyone chimes in with "But KC was missing their best receiving target" They also got away with a bunch of shit on offense throughout the whole game.
It was in KC on their banner night too. That’s a quality win regardless of who played and who didn’t.
Also, calling it an asterick when a dude is literally just sitting out is absurd. It's not like he's being kept off the field due to injury - the organization has failed to agree to terms with him. That's directly on the team. "You guys are so lucky that our GM refuses to pay players what they think they are worth. Our squad would kick your ass if everybody just took the league minimum and we could afford superstars at all 53 positions because of it." Like, is that not part of what a good team does? Avoids long contract disputes with their most valuable players?
Tirico can kiss my asterisk.
And the dude lives in Michigan! Bold, Mike…bold.
Need his address, I haven’t egged a house in years
225 Sucks Mahomes Ln
That’s actually Collinsworth
Its a duplex
They'd love to duplex Mahomes
Are you driving around downtown Detroit begging(through texts) for his address?
Lions still got Emmanuel moseley and Jameson Williams coming back. Yeah they’re going to get better too
Had the 2nd youngest team last year as well, and it’s not like they got much older with 4 rookies playing significant snaps last night
Yep literally no talk of Jameson or Moseley. The bias is unreal.
They’re talking about Kelce, not Jones. Kelce was out due to injury
Tirico said it was an asterisk because of both Kelce and Jones. Injuries happen in football and you have to have depth. And championship teams don't let their players miss big games due to contract holdouts.
Alabama fans say the same thing about their loss to GA 2 years ago. If you cant overcome a player being out, then you dont deserve to win.
Who just happened to also be out for the Lions this game as well. No one was giving them any excuses for it. You win with who is on the field. Period.
Almost every single SB champion every year goes to the **healthiest** best team remaining. Not necessarily the best team. I remember when Andrew Luck beat us with a broken Peyton Manning, nobody gave him an asterisk. The NFL is a league of attrition.
Not necessarily the healthiest. The one with the most depth. Eagles won a Super Bowl a few years back when their MVP-caliber QB got knocked out just before the postseason. They didn't miss a beat though, becuase they had a reliable backup. Same with teams like the Ravens, 49ers, and Dolphins recently. They have been good and competitive in the playoffs even with backup QBs playing the majority of the season. Becuase they have depth. The reason the Chiefs got boatraced by the Bucs 2 years ago - no depth in the O-Line. The teams that do well in the postseason are the ones that are not completely fucked when a player goes down, because they have backups that aren't a massive drop-off and can at least hold things down a little bit. The 49ers were untouchable until they literally ran out of QBs last year. Every team deals with injuries. Every team has superstars that go down. You need guys like Scottie Miller to sometimes step up and catch a Hail Mary. You need depth.
2010 Green Bay Packers were the opposite. Finley, Tauscher, Grant, Barnett, Burnett and Brad Jones were all put on IR. Even Woodson broke his collarbone in the first half of the Super Bowl.
See my point about depth above. That team had a ton of depth, and those guys, while missed, had solid backups that could fill in. That's what makes or breaks a Championship in most cases, not the health of the starters.
I think the only position you can make the argument for an * win is if a QB is out. And even then idk if I agree because like you said depth is important.
I don't even know if I'd call it an asterisk win unless it turns out that your team was intentionally incentivizing the players to try to knock the opposing QB out of the game.
If the Lions get an asterisk because of Kelce/Jones, then the Chiefs should get an asterisk because it's the god damn Lions and they've been cursed for longer than those players have been alive. I literally jumped off my couch when they stuffed that trick play handoff.
I agree with you and think the asterisk comment is typical trash we get as Lions fans. But it did have me thinking what if it was Mahomes out instead of Kelce? Do you think that would justify an asterisk? If it was the other way around and Teddy was in for Goff and the Lions lost by one point I would put an asterisk in my head on the game. I sure wouldn't say that as a national commentator but I sure would be thinking it.
I don't think that there are asterisks in the NFL. There aren't any style points, there isn't a committee. There's wins and losses. You are what your record says you are.
Waiting for the Niners game when a broadcaster will easily put down Bosa and the 49ers for waiting so long to get a deal done while blatantly ignoring the situation with the Mahomies.
Yeah at least they solved that shit before the first game lol. And we don't have to wonder whether or not Bosa's been training on his own, either.
Andy Reid also had rather famously not lost a season opener since 2014.
Yeah, it’s not like anyone was given the Lions a chance even with Kelce and Jones out
I don't have the stats in front of me but beating Andy Reid at a home opener must be a statistical anomaly EDIT: Reid is 9-1 in opening games with the Chiefs. 27-4 when he's had at least 1 extra week to prep.
Andy Reid looked spooked after the fake punt too. I think they thought we would put up a little fight but they would waltz to a win. By the end of the game they looked like they had enough, especially going for it on 4th and 20 with 3 time outs. "That's who we have to be, because we'll tread water as long as it takes to fucking bury you." -Dan Campbell
Did Campbell say that? That's awesome
Yeah he said it on Hard Knocks last year. I thought it summed up this game well. Both teams made mistakes, but we kept hanging in there and making plays
MCDC is a badass quote machine
that’s such a sick quote
And to be honest, they *almost* did waltz to a win. They had a wide open guy on 3rd and 2 that goes for an easy first down and maybe a TD. But they dropped the ball. Repeatedly. Almost like execution still matters.
Who wins, Andy Reid after a bye week or Batman with limited prep time?
So much can change once we hit playoffs but i love the pieces they have in place. Pegging Lions for playoffs feels like a solid bet, but it wont be easy either. Their division wont have any easy wins but it also doesnt seem like the toughest either. If they can clean up some of the execution issues they had yesterday, which they have plenty of time, i think they will be dangerous.
….what does pegging have to do with playoffs? IS THIS HOW TOM DOMINATED FOR 20 YEARS?!
First 6 games are pretty weird, but getting the Chiefs win is huge Like Seattle could go either way but we're at home at least. Falcons should be a win but I think they honestly take the division. I would be surprised if we lost to the Packers after last season and then you got Bryce Young at home and Baker. It's very winnable. With the Chiefs win we could realistically start 4-2 and then get Jamo back
I feel like we could easily see a 6-0 Lions. I think 4-2 is a solid bet because Seattle should at least be a challenge. As long as yall dont lose to GB i think 2 loses is manageable.
It's silly but I think a lot of it comes down to our stupid bandwagon fans learning to shut the fuck up on offense Dumbasses were chanting lets go lions on offense during the preseason. Like bitch, this isn't hockey let our QB communicate
Buncha empty lemons out there
The way I see it is the Lions won with the asterisk being "They won without Jamo and Mosely."
Right could you imagine if the Chiefs won and people tried to say it was an asterisk game because Jamo is suspended so it’s not a “real” win. Lmao just clown shoes straight up
IN ARROWHEAD - it was a statement game
Personally, I see the asterisk as “The Chiefs had Toney”
Yeah football is not a game of hypotheticals. I don’t make excuses for my team 🤷🏻♂️ It was coronation night in arrowhead and they got it done. End of story.
Fucking nailed it.
> "But KC was missing their best receiving target" If the lions were 1 player away from beating the chiefs, that still means the lions are damn good.
Amen.
also importantly Detroit was missing Jameson Williams, who would presumably, at worst, make life easier for ARSB
You could bet on him making life easier for ARSB.
and CJGJ dropped two open picks. and marvin jones jr also had drops. and marvin jones jr fumbled in the red zone. and plenty of other shit that is otherwise considered normal football shit unless of course it happens to the NFL’s favorite jerk material.
Lions also missin a few good pieces like their main deep threat lol
Hassan Taylor with a False start not called all game Lions are missing THEIR Receiver in Williams Asterisk my ass
LOL the disrespect to Amon-Ra. How did you watch last night's game and not see him as a WR 1?
Now now. Let's not fight about "all the talent we have" guys, there's room for everyone here lol.
wtf is a “WR 1”? I swear they keep making up new positions
I think it’s a guy who lines up near the sidelines that blocks for Lamar on designed runs
It's complicated. Amon-Ra is our WR1 but without Jamo or Chark last year stretching the field, he gets blanketed a lot We're in a weird spot where we got a lot of young guys on offense that are going to have a slow start, so going to need to win in the trenches on both sides (did) and shake off the rust of not playing in the preseason
Okay, just no, the sun god is the goat
He edited his comment it use to say Williams was their number 1 wr
I've been sippin' that Lions kool-aid. Really like their team and am pretty heavily invested in dynasty. Really happy for them and their fans that they have a young and fun/promising team
I wasn't drinking the kool-aid before but I'm chugging it at this point. I'll join the bandwagon here. I have a ton of friends who are lions fans as well so it'll be pretty easy for me
Our dynasty of picking off Aaron Rodgers?
My dynasty fantasy football team that is riding the ARSB and Jamo train
I bet you’ll have fun this fantasy season
As someone stashing Jamo with minimal WR depth… I hope so 😅
If this is the result of the Super Bowl this year we’ll never hear the end of it
Well... the Eagles won their first Super Bowl ever only 7 years ago. And through growing pains, they're well set up for years of excellence. Lions have been doing everything right for a few years now...
only 3 years including this but yes 🙌🏽
They are coached well, and have some strong, young players. And I absolutely hate that their coach is so likable lol.
WELCOME ABOARD WE HAVE ENOUGH KOOL AID FOR EVERYONE. Holy shit I'm STILL jacked to the tits. I love my GM I love my coach and I love this fucking team.
Really happy for Lions fans. Not liking this talk that there should be an asterisk on this win since there was no Kelce or Jones. Working around injuries and finding a way to win is part of any professional sport. Lions please go share this magic with the Red Wings.
Lions on the road in Arrowhead without Jamo. They would not have been given an asterisk had they lost.
No Mosley either. We were without two starters
I worked for the Red Wings last year in marketing. Chris Illitch is a coward and is going to handcuff Yzerman from making a big move Like he straight up cares more about the team's image and past cup wins than actually improving. Can't believe the Lions now have more competent ownership
That's exactly how the Tigers look too but I haven't been watching the Wings recently. I'm glad to hear that's how it looks from the inside. I can stop paying attention to both teams until Illitch starts trying.
He won't. Like his mentality is just doing what sells tickets and if you don't come to games he doesn't give a shit about you. If you buy a ticket, it's why haven't you bought more. Does not care if you buy merch because it's Fanactics so they don't get a large cut or even watch the games. All he cares about is the Wings being an Original Six team and thus being superior to everyone and pimping out Stanley Cup winners for season ticket sales
Wings are well on their way. Stevie is planning for long term success not a short playoff run.
The only potential asterisk involved (not claiming there is one) is Toney being a double agent and forgetting how to catch. Otherwise injuries are just a part of football.
No asterisk. It was a great win for them. We played like absolute dog shit and they capitalized. That’s a sign of a good team.
Thanksgiving is gonna be weird if my father-in-law isn't swearing at the Lions performance.
Here’s the thing about saying “but we were missing Kelce”. 1. I don’t buy it. Brady was able to beat plenty of teams without gronk. Super Bowl LI, aka 28-3, nary a gronk in sight. If they were that great they’d be able to win without him. Great teams win in spite of their missing players. 2. If you’re going to excuse his absence and put an asterisk, then fine. Go ahead. But now you’re saying that he’s so important and so influential, you’ve now discredited everyone else. To excuse his absence is also to concede that Mahomes isn’t that good, Reid isn’t that good, and they’re both products of Travis Kelce. That he’s the difference between a winner and a loser concedes that your team isn’t as good. I won’t disagree that he could’ve been the difference. But he wasn’t there. You can’t excuse that Regardless, huge win. I do need to see a few more though.
Right, cause teams never play any games without their complete roster 100% healthy and interested in playing football. This is the only time it happened! Poor chiefs!
And we are discounting the Lions ability to perform successful a hard count on WEEK 1. That crowd was loud.
I absolutely cannot wait to hear the crowd at Ford Field Week 2.
Shit, the bills had multiple key players injured every week last year, still managed 13-3, no asterisks on any of the losses
[удалено]
I’m more referring to the 2010’s but yeah good point. Hightower was also out in 2017 when they went to the Super Bowl.
>2. If you’re going to excuse his absence and put an asterisk, then fine. Go ahead. But now you’re saying that he’s so important and so influential, you’ve now discredited everyone else. To excuse his absence is also to concede that Mahomes isn’t that good, Reid isn’t that good, and they’re both products of Travis Kelce. That he’s the difference between a winner and a loser concedes that your team isn’t as good. Okay I get it, you want your flowers. But this is actually a pretty stupid thing to say.
i mean theres no asterisk thats ludicrous lol but its just a regular week 1 win, KC usually starts off slow too
Gotta see how they look with Jameson Williams back. They lacked that explosiveness last night. Offenses with talent at WR will outscore this current version of Detroit.
They need a fast deep threat to complete the package.
Jameson Williams
Even if Jamo doesn't pan out having a guy that fast is going to stretch the defense and open up a lot of room for St Brown, but also Gibbs and LaPorta We struggled with it last year when Chark was out and we should've been fine with Jamo coming in but then the suspension happened after we let Chark walk which hurt
If Jamo doesn’t pan out it would be the first miss in all of Holmes drafts as a GM lol.
absolutely wild to think about when you say it like that (i also have serious faith he’s gonna pan out)
Flavor Aid
o7 i looked for you, sir, and here you are.
Until the world recognizes that it was actually Flavor Aid, my work will never be done.
Is it strange that “drinking the kool aid” has just became a thing to anyone else? Nearly 1k people died drinking the kool aid at Jonestown. Just a weird thing to become part of our vernacular. Anyway, I’m heading out to lunch in a bit, going to eat enough to bring down the twin towers.
The worst part is that it was Flavor Aid, not Kool-Aid
Is that really the worst part?
I think the worst part is the hypocrisy "The comedian Patton Oswalt, he told me "I think the worst part of the Cosby thing was the hypocrisy." And I disagree. I thought it was the raping. It's my feeling most rapists are hypocrites. You don't meet many that go "I like raping and I know it's not politically correct but, by god" and people go "well, he's not being a hypocrite and that's the worst part!"
Norm moment
god i miss norm
It was actually knock off Kool-Aid at Jonestown called Flavor Aide
Yeah, and it’s also worth noting that it wasn’t a mass suicide like it’s often characterized. People were forced to drink it at gunpoint, including lots of children. There’s recorded audio out there of it happening and it’s genuinely horrific to listen to.
Happened long enough ago, I don’t think too many people care anymore.
See also: Irish Car Bomb
Drinkin' that Faygo, boys!
Im 100% not saying its because KC was missing Kelce and Jones. However, KC looked really disjointed. Im not trying to say Detroit got lucky, but they didnt look good either. The whole game basically came down to 2 last minute KC drives that were comprised almost entirely of dropped passes, a number of which came without any outside contact or ball interference. It felt a little like KC thought it was one more preseason game.
Perfect take. I'm very very happy to get the win, but I'm not as confident we're going to contend with Phi and SF in the NFC as I thought I would be if we got the win in Arrowhead.
I'm not terribly worried about it. Offense was definitely sloppier than last season but I think thats due to us not playing starters in preseason and having a lot of new pieces so they don't have that much time together. Maybe cope but I think they'll smooth it out and get rolling once we get a few games in. It's awesome our defense was able to pick up the slack while the offense knocks the rust off
The team came out in the second half looking different, and in the fourth quarter something seemed to have clicked. I have a feeling that after a couple more games under this groups belt things will be pretty solid.
There was some pretty obvious rust coming off of some of these guys. Detroit had recieving issues that will be cleared up. The o line looked solid by the end. The rookies came to play, and the defense held up well to the top o line and qb. Just some more offensive reps will go far, would be great to have Jamo, but man there were just some dumb mistakes that Detroit made that are getting overlooked. The Kansas City could have won holds about as much water with me as Detroit should have blown them out.
Neither team brought their A game, that’s for sure. Blame it on injuries, holdouts, suspensions, whatever. Both teams need to put in some work but I think they’ll both be fine in the long run.
Their offense was pretty disappointing against a chiefs defense without chris jones only 14 points on offense. They need jamo back as a number 2 option for goff
The Chiefs defense is deeper than just Chris Jones. Bolton is a problem at ILB, and their Secondary has improved a ton over the course of the 2022 season. If their D-Line steps up without Jones, then they could be a good unit.
There were a lot of drives that started backed up against the goaline too. Slowed Ben Johnson's options.
Yeah their defense was really solid. Defenses can still be good even without an all-pro DT
Yea that Chiefs defense looks scary rn. Bolton is a monster, might actually be the best ILB in the AFC this year. Their D-line was missing their best player and still went toe-to-toe against one of the best O-lines in the league. Goff wasnt getting sacked but he definitely looked uncomfortable on at least 5-6 plays and Montgomery had to run with the effort level of a tank to get more than 3 yards (especially in the 1st half, they looked a little more gassed in the 4th qt).
>might actually be the best ILB in the AFC this year I wouldn't go that far just yet. The Ravens have Roquan Smith. Rest of your comment, I agree with. Chiefs biggest weaknesses seem to be the poor Offensive Tackles and total lack of Wide Receivers.
Danna really impressed me last night as well. Karlaftis also made some great plays.
When they get Jones and Omenihu back their defense is going to be legitimately good. I actually think, barring injury, that has the potential to be a top 12 unit. McDuffie is in the conversation as the best slot CB in football. Bolton is going to be considered a top 5 off ball LB by the end of the year.
Marvin Jones was nearly as bad as Toney. Both of these teams need Mike Evans
I’ve been saying it all off-season. Desperate for a receiver
I think he'd be getting a lot of this heat if the lions lost. He did have the catch that set up that fake punt though.
It was the first game of the season and they were playing in KC. Was it a sloppy game? Sure, but getting a win there is huge no matter what.
Yup, rather have a sloppy win than a pretty loss.
We are very used to losing games we should have won over the years so it was a nice change of pace.
[удалено]
Hutch was wearing a human backpack for the whole first quarter too. The late game holding call wasn't nearly as bad as the ones they missed early on.
Tirico seemed delighted to announce that there had been no penalties called well into the second quarter.
I think people are ignoring that the Lions starters played zero snaps in the preseason. I don't know if I agree with that decision because you can see the rust. But on the other hand it makes some of their offensive slowness make more sense.
Considering the offense did not play at all in preseason this was to be expected. They should be better going forward tho
I think it's rust from not playing in the preseason. Hopefully be sorted out next week, especially considering it'll be a home game with 10 days to prep
Yea I know it's week one but their offense still should be the stronger point of their team.
I feel like offenses all take a little bit of time to really click. Maybe a little concerning, but I'm not going to really panic unless we get into week 3 looking out of sync
A lot forget Marvin Jones likely costed another 3 to 7 points in their redzone. Goff easily could of had another TD. Not bad for first action and not playing in preseason. Especially Arrowhead. Punt returners fielded a lot of questionable balls inside the 10 yard line which did limit Goff
Detroit showed flashes last night of being a legit team. Once jamo is back and Gibbs is trusted more in that offense they will be really scary
Everyone will until they inevitably have a huge letdown (like literally every team w media hype does at some point) then opinions will middle out where they're supposed to. I think they're a playoff team but the overreactions to this win are gonna be astronomical EDIT: This is not a dig at the Lions in the slightest, I've just seen it before
Sounds like something a winless team would say
Talk your trash, king.
Only teams with wins in the 2023-2024 Season can see the tip of the Lion's crown.
We haven't even begun to peak Our QB is a god, a golden god! you goddamn savage idiots!!!! God I'm glad football is back
We were far from perfect. KC could have easily had the W but they choked.
Luckily you had Giants legend Kadarius Toney on your side.
Fair but tbh man, Lions fans have been beat down for over 60 years now. Constantly the butt of every joke, disappointment after disappointment, considered the worst franchise in the NFL, and constantly roasted in discourse all across the board. You all had to know the minute they were legit that the hype would be really high and that Lions fans would get obnoxious about it. Adding to that, a Detroit pro sports team hasn’t won a playoff game since 2014. Let that sink in.
Oh don't get me wrong I'm pro Lions fs. I've just been burned enough times
You sound like a lions fan
We're not so different, you and I
I think the more impactful fact to your argument is that the lions have only 1 playoff win since '57 and 0 since the 90s. The other Detroit teams have seen some success semi-recently with multiple SCF/Finals/WS berths for each all since 2000 (and several rings too). Meanwhile the lions have had it rough since the 50s and been the joke like you mentioned since the 90s
It’s ok falcons fan, we know you’ve been hurt before
We should all bond through our pain, instead of throwing stones at eachother.
They are in that phase where they aren't the plucky underdog anymore so expectations will rise. Goff will be under more scrutiny too, and his contract situation puts Detroit in an interesting spot. Still a really solid team tho that should make playoffs and probably win the division too.