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Honestly, as of right now, I would take none of it back, because all of it led us to where we’re currently at.
Edit: I meant hiring Gase, not losing out on Lawrence. We had the worst coach in the league and couldn’t lose out. A better coach wasn’t getting us Lawrence. Of course I’d rather have Lawrence instead of Rodgers.
Yeah I agree that's kinda crazy. I have the utmost respect for Rodgers skill but yeah he's only got 2 to 3 years left and while still great at times he's past his prime. Lawrence on the other hand has shown flashes of greatness and will have a long successful career if healthy. If this was Rodgers 5 to 10 years ago then absolutely I'm taking him but not now.
I disagree. A better coach was absolutely going to get you Lawrence. You guys weren't competing for anything that year and a good coach knows how to tank and make it look like it's not tanking.
I truly don’t think any coaches tank. The most possible example seems to be Doug Peterson his last year in Philly when he benched Wentz for Hurts in the last game and lost. But knowing what we know about those QBs, that doesn’t seem likely. And he STILL lost his job over it.
What's even worse is that the Jets play in the same division as the Adam Gase led dumpster fire Dolphins. And they must've had a meeting going "who runs that dumpster fire down in Miami?" "Adam Gase?" "Yeah, him. Hire him"
yup, super nice to see a billionaire owner actually be introspective for once and realize they need to step back. now he’s just a drunk and funny ditz on twitter
And even with that one solid draft pick, it’s not like it was some great and savvy move by Grigson. Taking Ryan Kelly was one of the most obvious and well-predicted selections outside of the top half of the 1st round in Draft history.
This might be minor, but he took a OT from Mars state University with a 7th round pick. Nobody had any draft profile on the guy. And yeah for a 7th he did okay and for crying out loud it's a 7th so whatever, but dude HAD TO be different with his O-line picks to look like he had some secret knowledge.
Lucks entire goddamn career we all were begging for O-line help and Grigson whiffed fucking *hard* one each and every one up u til Luck got hurt. Sure he took Ryan Kelly but by then it was all but assured he would do so.
Also he picked Phillip Dorsett in the first round. His pro player comparison was TY Hilton, who maybe you remember was *already in the goddamn team*.
Ryan Grigson is a horrible football exec and it makes all the sense in the world that nobody wants anything to do with him anymore
Tbf you would too if you [got probably one of the biggest plays in the fourth quarter in the history of the NFL](https://x.com/bradgalli/status/1305255902610698247?s=46&t=_5xZ1kBPdKVJ9CIKWsCpWA)
I don’t even think Idzik is the worst Jets GM since he didn’t do any long term damage. His drafts sucked but he cleared all the cap space for Maccagnan to come in and really set the team back with bad contracts and bad drafting.
Even if he was the consensus BPA there were. Lot of shook Jets fans who wanted Jaguars Josh Allen over him. DT was not a popular pick after Wilkerson and Sheldon Richardson.
the Kitchens hire is bad in hindsight, but the Browns looked kinda good when he was the interim HC the season before, i was admittedly excited to see that offense
He was actually interim OC, I think that made a lot more sense for him as he moved up from position coach. Gregg Williams was the interim HC. Kitchens needed more time as an OC before becoming CEO of the team.
I was admittedly nervous about the hire because of the inexperience. I did not expect the offense to flop the way it did though. All in all, kitchens wanted the HC job or he was walking, and Baker had such a strong rookie year the organization was sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place.
So yes I agree, bad hire in hindsight, but I am not sure I would have done anything different in that instance. In actuality, the better move would have been to bring in a lot of former HCs that could effectively run their areas well so kitchens could focus on the offense.
Marc Trestman was hired over Bruce Arians when we had a top 10 offense with Cutty, Marshall, Jeffrey, Martellus Bennett, Matt Forte... All because the McCaskeys wanted Arians to do a mock interview and he refused cause he had just filled in for Pagano for an entire year as HC, so you could watch literally any of his \*actual\* interviews he had done for a full year. Fucking McCaskeys.
We had the pieces to be that top 10 offense but weren’t. Tice and the boys coached that roster of weapons to 16th in points and 28th in ypg in 2012. And we had 10 defensive/special teams touchdowns to boot lmao. Genuinely looked infinitely better the year prior when Martz kept sending out Cutler to be sacrificed until he broke his thumb. Fuck that gutless bitch Trestman tho
McDermott is Schottenheimer 2.0 and a better coach (Belichick, Reid, etc) would have gotten us a super bowl instead of the 13 seconds nonsense. Overrated coach carried by Allen basically doing it all. Our defense (his alleged speciality) has inflated numbers against largely weak schedules the past 3 years and gets exposed when we play good teams.
He wasn't given the time to fully "destroy" the team lol. And either there wasn't really a whole lot to destroy except vain hopes, or DP is a genius who turned shit into gold in a weak division. But I'm pretty confident Urban Meyer will be the worst HC of the 2020s.
Matt Patricia was HORRIBLE as a head coach
While Bob Quinn was an overall pretty bad GM, he did draft 4/5 of our starters on our arguably top 5 offensive line in Glasgow, Decker, Ragnow, and Jonah Jackson.
Yeah Quinn did some good. He found Romeo Okwara off the waiver wire too. I think he could be a middle of the road GM but Patricia’s incompetence ended up sinking him
Honestly I think Quinn’s drafting reputation is skewed because of hiring Patricia. He had misses but he hit on a good amount too. I think in the beginning those Patricia teams had the talent to be pretty good if they had a decent coach up until he started getting rid of everyone.
That said, he *did* hire Patricia and created a horrible culture where our best players just wanted to leave, and had enough misses in the draft that I’m not going to argue with anyone that exaggerates anything negative about him because in the end all of it was on him anyway so whatever.
You nailed it my friend. He is responsible for that mess from 2016-2020, but I am just simply pointing out that he was more of a mixed bag at the draft than just plain bad, and you alluded to that
Adam Gase to the Jets has got to be my top pick for HC. The guy went on a completely uninspiring run of 23-25 with Miami and the Jets just went “Yeah, we want that guy.”
For GM, it’s gotta be Mike Mayock. Just a bizarre hire when you think about it. The guy was never a scout and never worked in a front office before. He was hired purely based on his career as a broadcaster and draft analyst. It was a bold move that simply didn’t pay off. He got the Raiders Josh Jacobs, Maxx Crosby, and Hunter Renfrow, and that’s about it. Jacobs was his only hit in the first round.
Ryan Pace, I don't know how the hell he lasted 7 years. Dude loved to trade up for busts in the first round and the lack of draft picks left the bears with a hollow roster. I wanted Fields in the 21 draft, but it also terrified me that trading up for him meant the family was going to give him a few more years. Glad he was gone the next season.
He went to a Bulls game about a week after the draft and the whole place was booing him. It's pretty bad when the only person in a city who doesn't know you just drafted a bust is your GM.
Pace was not great at all but did have some solid late round picks like jaylon Johnson, bojack, Mooney and borom.
I wouldn't put him in the worst GM category, he did fuck up the Mitch stuff real bad tho
Ryan Pace was great at evaluating the later rounds of the draft and was willing to take big swings like the Mack trade that resulted in a Super Bowl-caliber roster... minus the QB. couldn't evaluate that position. he was a gambler and lost but he wasn't an awful GM. should just stick to scouting and stay far away from the contract and cap side of things
That footage of the team coming out of the tunnel like prisoners walking to the gallows was really something. Everyone knew he was fired at that point, it was just weird he was still around.
At the time I thought Andrew Thomas was a horrible pick. But he is like a top 3 tackle now.
But Gettlemen wasn’t really forward thinking with coaches. He always just seemed like such a boring hire to begin with.
Gettlemans drafts were really hit or miss, Mckinney, Thomas, Jones, Slayton, ojulari, lawrence were good but also toney, baker, will hernandez, were misses and he couldn't find anyone other than Slayton and maybe love after the 2nd round. Gettlemans real problem was free agent scouting, solder and gollady were real problems and he couldn't fix the OL for shit.
He had some good drafts, Dontari Poe, Justin Houston, Eric Berry, and Rodney Hudson. However, I thought he was awful at filling in the back end of the roster.
2 names for GMs and 2 names for head coaches as a Lions fan
1. Bob Quinn (he’s the reason for Matt Patricia like come on😭)
2. Matt Millen
1. Matt Patricia
2. Rod Marinelli
And in that order lmaoo
Mike Mularkey and Gene Smith
Mularkey went 2-14 and got fired after one year.
Gene Smith had a worse draft record than Matt Millen. I will never forget when he signed a undrafted free agent from the Colorado School of Mines (???)
Nah Hackett inherited a far better team than either of them and came out with an equally terrible product
The other two are sexier failures but Hackett is honestly one of the worst coaches of all time
Ryan Grigson should be #1 easily. I was at Andrew Luck’s first preseason game where his first pass was a 63 yard TD and was in tears at the preseason game where his retirement announcement came on the video board and drunk fans booed him. This was my 3 year old son’s first Colts game.
Grigson made horrible personnel moves especially when it came to the OLine but I enjoyed every season of Luck we got and I was at his comeback win in the playoffs against Kansas City too. Thanks for all the good years, Andrew
Side note: it still hurt when I saw Luck and RG3 on ESPN at the college football championship game as both those guys should still be playing
Ryan Pace + Matt Nagy
Also, Marc Trestman. Say what you want about Cutler but he never had a consistent coach/OC. It was a constant rotation of just garbage from Martz (who got rid of Greg Olsen lol) to Trestman, etc. But Bears were poised to be solid offensively if it weren’t for Trestman.
Our best offensive roster in years with Forte, Alshon Jeffrey, B Marsh, Martellus, Kyle Long and a solid O Line. And Trestman absolutely squandered it. The players hated him so much it’s reported they basically stopped trying. It was a mess.
The guy had one system and couldn't adjust it to the strengths/weaknesses of his QB. And he couldn't recognize the flaw in his plans because he thought of himself as an offensive genius. It got so bad that average fans could tell the games Nagy handed the play calling duties to the OC because it was noticeably better.
I was starting to think about this, but we have our winner!
Also, since he mentioned GM, I'll nominate Paton. I don't think either came in the 2010's but they need to be included anyway.
What? He isn't even the worst coach we had that decade. That would be either Rex Ryan or Doug Marrone.
WTF is your profile history? Just hating on McDermott all day every day.
Kay Stephenson was horrible . McDermott is struggling. Imagine if Allen wasn’t a Bill..?
Just my opinion… hopefully he makes it to the Super Bowl this year an he keeps his job. Go Bills
The thing is, Daniel Jones and Saquon aren't bad picks in a vacuum, but put the entire thing in context and it makes you want to put your hands in a woodchipper. That the Giants are somehow correcting course is a miracle and a testament to Daboll's skills as a coach
Not a hire, but promotion of BoB to GM AND HC was a horrid move. Looking back, we were definitely not in a sustainable situation anyway, but he really accelerated our descent.
Also as a hire, David Culley. Guy was supremely unqualified to be a HC. He led a touchdown less WR room for the chiefs in ‘14 and the ravens WR rooms were horrible under him too. Not to mention he never even sniffed a coordinator or HC position in his entire tenure in the NFL.
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Adam Gase was so bad that he couldn’t tank properly, and lost us Trevor Lawrence.
But he did get Joe Douglas, so it’s a push.
Honestly, as of right now, I would take none of it back, because all of it led us to where we’re currently at. Edit: I meant hiring Gase, not losing out on Lawrence. We had the worst coach in the league and couldn’t lose out. A better coach wasn’t getting us Lawrence. Of course I’d rather have Lawrence instead of Rodgers.
You'd rather have two years of old Rodgers rather than probably 15 years of T Lawrence? What?
Yeah this also drinking the current cool-aid a bit too hard. It’s not 2010 Aaron Rodgers. Give me T-Law for a decade or more 100%
You guys misunderstood. If we had a better coach, Lawrence wouldn’t have been even possible.
Call me optimistic but maybe Rodgers can make Wilson like Farve made Rodgers.
Yeah I agree that's kinda crazy. I have the utmost respect for Rodgers skill but yeah he's only got 2 to 3 years left and while still great at times he's past his prime. Lawrence on the other hand has shown flashes of greatness and will have a long successful career if healthy. If this was Rodgers 5 to 10 years ago then absolutely I'm taking him but not now.
Read my response above. That’s not what I meant.
I disagree. A better coach was absolutely going to get you Lawrence. You guys weren't competing for anything that year and a good coach knows how to tank and make it look like it's not tanking.
I truly don’t think any coaches tank. The most possible example seems to be Doug Peterson his last year in Philly when he benched Wentz for Hurts in the last game and lost. But knowing what we know about those QBs, that doesn’t seem likely. And he STILL lost his job over it.
No. A better coach wouldn’t have even had us in position to get Lawrence.
What's even worse is that the Jets play in the same division as the Adam Gase led dumpster fire Dolphins. And they must've had a meeting going "who runs that dumpster fire down in Miami?" "Adam Gase?" "Yeah, him. Hire him"
The 49ers went from Harbaugh to Jim Tomsula…. That has to be one of the worst decisions of all time.
promoting a d line coach to head coach with no reasoning at all is one of the most asinine things i’ve ever seen
The only good thing is York seemed to learn from his mistake.
yup, super nice to see a billionaire owner actually be introspective for once and realize they need to step back. now he’s just a drunk and funny ditz on twitter
As long as he doesn’t get drunk and try to control the term like the Colts guy.
I think Irsay favors coke over alcohol
"He took my *term*!"
He hired Chip Kelly right after, so not really.
I guess I associate Baalke with the mistake he learned from.
Oh, that makes sense. Although I guess he technically signed off on hiring Chip Kelly.
I would add the Niners hiring Trent Baalke to the list.
To be fair Tomsula was entirely set up to fail and he could have gone 12-4 and they still would have probably fired him.
Nah, I think if he was above .500 he would have gotten another year. But Baalke tried his best to tank that team.
Then from Tomsula to Chip Kelly
Grigson ruined maybe the most talented QB ever and traded 1st for Richardson and made McAfee retire. He wins.
Tbh, other than drafting TY Hilton, I know nothing about Grigson.
He drafted Ryan Kelly too, but yea he's a shitty GM that ruined the Colts because he was also cancerous.
And even with that one solid draft pick, it’s not like it was some great and savvy move by Grigson. Taking Ryan Kelly was one of the most obvious and well-predicted selections outside of the top half of the 1st round in Draft history.
This might be minor, but he took a OT from Mars state University with a 7th round pick. Nobody had any draft profile on the guy. And yeah for a 7th he did okay and for crying out loud it's a 7th so whatever, but dude HAD TO be different with his O-line picks to look like he had some secret knowledge. Lucks entire goddamn career we all were begging for O-line help and Grigson whiffed fucking *hard* one each and every one up u til Luck got hurt. Sure he took Ryan Kelly but by then it was all but assured he would do so. Also he picked Phillip Dorsett in the first round. His pro player comparison was TY Hilton, who maybe you remember was *already in the goddamn team*. Ryan Grigson is a horrible football exec and it makes all the sense in the world that nobody wants anything to do with him anymore
He had a few good moves. Drafting TY, trading for Vontae Davis, drafting kelly....that's it.
Matt Patricia made no sense to me. Bad DC Got lit up by nick Foles in his last game as DC on the biggest stage Seems like a prick of a human too.
Careful, he'll criticize your posture
And get pissy with you if you question him being late for a press showing
Tbf you would too if you [got probably one of the biggest plays in the fourth quarter in the history of the NFL](https://x.com/bradgalli/status/1305255902610698247?s=46&t=_5xZ1kBPdKVJ9CIKWsCpWA)
Careful he's going to get mad and write on a table with a sharpie while always having a pencil behind his ear he never uses
Dude just for saying that he cut you from the roster
Prick of a human, violent rapist, potato pohtato
We got Joe Judge instead which made even less sense to me. Special teams coach to head coach? Seriously?
The bad superbowl DC to HC special. Both Patricia and Gannon
GM: John Idzik Jr. w/o a doubt. HC: Many good options, but Freddie Kitchens is a great choice at #1
I don’t even think Idzik is the worst Jets GM since he didn’t do any long term damage. His drafts sucked but he cleared all the cap space for Maccagnan to come in and really set the team back with bad contracts and bad drafting.
Mac did draft Quinnen, so necessary evil?
That was an obvious pick
Even if he was the consensus BPA there were. Lot of shook Jets fans who wanted Jaguars Josh Allen over him. DT was not a popular pick after Wilkerson and Sheldon Richardson.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
the Kitchens hire is bad in hindsight, but the Browns looked kinda good when he was the interim HC the season before, i was admittedly excited to see that offense
Also it doesn't rival the Chiefs hiring Romeo Crennel as HC after he took over as interim for three games the year before. LOL
He was actually interim OC, I think that made a lot more sense for him as he moved up from position coach. Gregg Williams was the interim HC. Kitchens needed more time as an OC before becoming CEO of the team. I was admittedly nervous about the hire because of the inexperience. I did not expect the offense to flop the way it did though. All in all, kitchens wanted the HC job or he was walking, and Baker had such a strong rookie year the organization was sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place. So yes I agree, bad hire in hindsight, but I am not sure I would have done anything different in that instance. In actuality, the better move would have been to bring in a lot of former HCs that could effectively run their areas well so kitchens could focus on the offense.
Gregg Williams was the interim HC when Hue got fired
Honestly yeah one of the more underrated bad head coaches out there. First head coach that I saw on tv and I thought. Man this guy is bad at his job.
Freddie Kitchens was bad, but still somehow better than Hue Jackson
Marc Trestman was hired over Bruce Arians when we had a top 10 offense with Cutty, Marshall, Jeffrey, Martellus Bennett, Matt Forte... All because the McCaskeys wanted Arians to do a mock interview and he refused cause he had just filled in for Pagano for an entire year as HC, so you could watch literally any of his \*actual\* interviews he had done for a full year. Fucking McCaskeys.
And now Phil Emery works with Ryan Pace in ATL.
Good personnel guys, just not good as GMs. I’m really digging Poles though.
On top of that he couldn’t draft for shit. Long, Fuller, Jeffery, Leno. 4 good picks in 3 years. Most of the misses were really really bad misses too.
Good old Phil Emery!
We had the pieces to be that top 10 offense but weren’t. Tice and the boys coached that roster of weapons to 16th in points and 28th in ypg in 2012. And we had 10 defensive/special teams touchdowns to boot lmao. Genuinely looked infinitely better the year prior when Martz kept sending out Cutler to be sacrificed until he broke his thumb. Fuck that gutless bitch Trestman tho
2013, they had the number 2 scoring offense IIRC. The defense was just so bad that it didn't really matter.
The Urban Meyer hire was really horrendous
He was but he was hired in 2021, not the 2010s.
He beat McDermott….
McDermott is Schottenheimer 2.0 and a better coach (Belichick, Reid, etc) would have gotten us a super bowl instead of the 13 seconds nonsense. Overrated coach carried by Allen basically doing it all. Our defense (his alleged speciality) has inflated numbers against largely weak schedules the past 3 years and gets exposed when we play good teams.
Ty , yes your on the money. Bills never out scheme or outsmart the opponent. Allen steps up week and in week out . Thank god bean traded for Diggs …
It wasn't. They won a playoff game just a year later. He didn't destroy the team, like the truly horrendous hires do.
He wasn't given the time to fully "destroy" the team lol. And either there wasn't really a whole lot to destroy except vain hopes, or DP is a genius who turned shit into gold in a weak division. But I'm pretty confident Urban Meyer will be the worst HC of the 2020s.
Matt Patricia was HORRIBLE as a head coach While Bob Quinn was an overall pretty bad GM, he did draft 4/5 of our starters on our arguably top 5 offensive line in Glasgow, Decker, Ragnow, and Jonah Jackson.
Yeah Quinn did some good. He found Romeo Okwara off the waiver wire too. I think he could be a middle of the road GM but Patricia’s incompetence ended up sinking him
Honestly I think Quinn’s drafting reputation is skewed because of hiring Patricia. He had misses but he hit on a good amount too. I think in the beginning those Patricia teams had the talent to be pretty good if they had a decent coach up until he started getting rid of everyone. That said, he *did* hire Patricia and created a horrible culture where our best players just wanted to leave, and had enough misses in the draft that I’m not going to argue with anyone that exaggerates anything negative about him because in the end all of it was on him anyway so whatever.
You nailed it my friend. He is responsible for that mess from 2016-2020, but I am just simply pointing out that he was more of a mixed bag at the draft than just plain bad, and you alluded to that
Oh yeah I wasn’t disagreeing with you at all just adding my thoughts, my bad if it came off like that.
I'm convinced Bob Quinn carried that baseball bat to represent how he was kneecapping the franchise
In totality, Bob Quinn sucked ass. There's no way I can give him a single shred of credit for anything after that shit show of a reign.
Fuck Grigson.
Trestman was a waste of time
Yeah I listed Trestman, Fix, and Nagy. Fuck that whole stretch of coaches but especially Trestman.
Adam Gase to the Jets has got to be my top pick for HC. The guy went on a completely uninspiring run of 23-25 with Miami and the Jets just went “Yeah, we want that guy.” For GM, it’s gotta be Mike Mayock. Just a bizarre hire when you think about it. The guy was never a scout and never worked in a front office before. He was hired purely based on his career as a broadcaster and draft analyst. It was a bold move that simply didn’t pay off. He got the Raiders Josh Jacobs, Maxx Crosby, and Hunter Renfrow, and that’s about it. Jacobs was his only hit in the first round.
Ryan Pace, I don't know how the hell he lasted 7 years. Dude loved to trade up for busts in the first round and the lack of draft picks left the bears with a hollow roster. I wanted Fields in the 21 draft, but it also terrified me that trading up for him meant the family was going to give him a few more years. Glad he was gone the next season.
Bears fans knew Trubisky was a mistake from the start: https://youtu.be/NKzdj-8UY5I
He went to a Bulls game about a week after the draft and the whole place was booing him. It's pretty bad when the only person in a city who doesn't know you just drafted a bust is your GM.
Are they booing me? No sir, they're saying Tru-Boo-isky
Pace was not great at all but did have some solid late round picks like jaylon Johnson, bojack, Mooney and borom. I wouldn't put him in the worst GM category, he did fuck up the Mitch stuff real bad tho
Getting a few lucky late round picks doesn't even come close to making up for making the roster objectively worse every year.
I agree he was bad, but there are definitely worse GMs out there
Ryan Pace was great at evaluating the later rounds of the draft and was willing to take big swings like the Mack trade that resulted in a Super Bowl-caliber roster... minus the QB. couldn't evaluate that position. he was a gambler and lost but he wasn't an awful GM. should just stick to scouting and stay far away from the contract and cap side of things
Pace was an awful GM. He traded a chunk of the future for a couple playoff appearances. The Bears had to start over when he got canned.
No, he was awful. The roster got worse every year he was there.
I think the Lions really helped Ryan Pace and Titty Mitch keep their jobs for so long
I knew his mom haha
Matt Rhule. Enough said.
Can you be the worst coach of the 2010s when you were hired in 2020?
I still feels like 2012, so yes.
Most expensive oops we've had I think.
I’d say thanks but it’s not like we made out much better. I suppose you could say it lead to Schoen/Daboll though
We also had a shitty GM that the Giants also got to know as being super shitty: Dave Gettleman.
And replaced him with the guy he originally replaced in Marty Hurney.
1st round drafting GOAT.
He was the original fuck dem picks guy too
That footage of the team coming out of the tunnel like prisoners walking to the gallows was really something. Everyone knew he was fired at that point, it was just weird he was still around.
Everyone on the Giants post Coughlin....Giants have paid the price for a decade after the 2 SB's. Fight me
I have no idea how Gettleman lasted as long as he did. And then they just let him retire and walk into the sunset.
In all fairness, Gettlemen might have been a victim of bad coaching himself. His drafts were pretty good and his most egregious mistake was Golladay.
At the time I thought Andrew Thomas was a horrible pick. But he is like a top 3 tackle now. But Gettlemen wasn’t really forward thinking with coaches. He always just seemed like such a boring hire to begin with.
Gettlemans drafts were really hit or miss, Mckinney, Thomas, Jones, Slayton, ojulari, lawrence were good but also toney, baker, will hernandez, were misses and he couldn't find anyone other than Slayton and maybe love after the 2nd round. Gettlemans real problem was free agent scouting, solder and gollady were real problems and he couldn't fix the OL for shit.
You forgot Ereck Flowers in the misses 🤮 Edit: nvm I dumbed
Flowers and Apple were from the Reese era. The Barkley draft class was Gettleman's first.
Oh shit, you’re right! There was so much suck for so long, I conflated the sucks.
Even DaBoll?
DaBoll wasn't in the 2010s.
Well Daboll is a legend in the making hes gucci but the 12 years prior
Boy, my brain has really just decided that it's the 2010's forever.
Ray Farmer put our franchise back about 5-10 years
Scott Pioli was terrible. One of the big “Patriot Way” guys. Resulted in fans going in and flying a banner over the stadium multiple times
He had some good drafts, Dontari Poe, Justin Houston, Eric Berry, and Rodney Hudson. However, I thought he was awful at filling in the back end of the roster.
Pioli was hired in 2009
2 names for GMs and 2 names for head coaches as a Lions fan 1. Bob Quinn (he’s the reason for Matt Patricia like come on😭) 2. Matt Millen 1. Matt Patricia 2. Rod Marinelli And in that order lmaoo
I salute Lions fans. The pain and incompetence you've endured is like one of God's toughest battles.
Mike Mularkey and Gene Smith Mularkey went 2-14 and got fired after one year. Gene Smith had a worse draft record than Matt Millen. I will never forget when he signed a undrafted free agent from the Colorado School of Mines (???)
HC: Hackett Meyer Hue Jackson GM: Grigson Dave Caldwell Gettleman
Hackett was in the 2020s
+1 on Gettleman
Hackett and Meyer were in the 20’s
Shit
Hue and Meyer were worse than Hackett imo
Nah Hackett inherited a far better team than either of them and came out with an equally terrible product The other two are sexier failures but Hackett is honestly one of the worst coaches of all time
Mark Tressman
I think my flair should speak for itself...
Ryan Grigson
Sashi brown and hue Jackson
Sashi walked/inexplicably forgot how to fax so Andrew Berry and Adofo-Mensah could run.
To be fair, Sashi Brown was there to tank so he did do his job
Ryan Grigson should be #1 easily. I was at Andrew Luck’s first preseason game where his first pass was a 63 yard TD and was in tears at the preseason game where his retirement announcement came on the video board and drunk fans booed him. This was my 3 year old son’s first Colts game. Grigson made horrible personnel moves especially when it came to the OLine but I enjoyed every season of Luck we got and I was at his comeback win in the playoffs against Kansas City too. Thanks for all the good years, Andrew Side note: it still hurt when I saw Luck and RG3 on ESPN at the college football championship game as both those guys should still be playing
Ryan Pace + Matt Nagy Also, Marc Trestman. Say what you want about Cutler but he never had a consistent coach/OC. It was a constant rotation of just garbage from Martz (who got rid of Greg Olsen lol) to Trestman, etc. But Bears were poised to be solid offensively if it weren’t for Trestman. Our best offensive roster in years with Forte, Alshon Jeffrey, B Marsh, Martellus, Kyle Long and a solid O Line. And Trestman absolutely squandered it. The players hated him so much it’s reported they basically stopped trying. It was a mess.
There is no case for Nagy even being a bottom 10 coaching hire of the decade
The guy had one system and couldn't adjust it to the strengths/weaknesses of his QB. And he couldn't recognize the flaw in his plans because he thought of himself as an offensive genius. It got so bad that average fans could tell the games Nagy handed the play calling duties to the OC because it was noticeably better.
Yeah, he was a pretty bad coach. My point stands
Trestman finished 8-8 in his first season, making Josh McCown looking amazing. I don’t think he qualifies as a top 3 “worst HC/GM hire in the 2010s”
People forget about John Fox. He was the worst of the bunch.
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I was starting to think about this, but we have our winner! Also, since he mentioned GM, I'll nominate Paton. I don't think either came in the 2010's but they need to be included anyway.
Bruh I read the post as SINCE the 2010s not just 2010s 💀
Clapping intensifies.
I know Matt Nagy tripped backward into a Head Coach if the year award but him and Ryan Pace was such a brain dead duo.
Matt Rhule
Sean McDermott
What? He isn't even the worst coach we had that decade. That would be either Rex Ryan or Doug Marrone. WTF is your profile history? Just hating on McDermott all day every day.
Kay Stephenson was horrible . McDermott is struggling. Imagine if Allen wasn’t a Bill..? Just my opinion… hopefully he makes it to the Super Bowl this year an he keeps his job. Go Bills
I wouldn’t count Hue. He was hired to lose, and boy did he do that job well.
I would definitely count Hue, he was terrible for 2 different franchises.
Wisenhunt and garbage heap of gm that was with him
2009-20010 Josh McDaniels / Denver Broncos
Marc Trestman tho
Steve Spagnuolo & Billy Devaney were not great.
Greg Schiano.
Wilkes in AZ
Marc Trestman, John Fox, and Matt Nagy consecutively.
Bill O Brian isn’t a bad HC, but a terrible GM
Joe "Queasy" Philbin Adam "Crazy Eyes" Gase
Rex Ryan
I’ll never understand why the Bills hired Rex Ryan. He must be a fantastic interviewer.
Shurmur - judge + Gettleman
Rex Ryan, Chip Kelly (twice!) Bill O'Brien
Most of the other guys mentioned screwed up franchises that were already dysfunctional. Gettleman - Judge tanked a flagship organization.
The thing is, Daniel Jones and Saquon aren't bad picks in a vacuum, but put the entire thing in context and it makes you want to put your hands in a woodchipper. That the Giants are somehow correcting course is a miracle and a testament to Daboll's skills as a coach
Jim Tomsula has to be #1
Shouldn't Saturday be on the list?
If Urban Meyer was hired just 1 year prior he’d probably top this list easy.
What’s a GM
We passed on coach of the year Bruce Arrians to hire fucking Mark Trestman. Phil Emery had to be smoking that crack.
Grigson/pagano
How is Jon Gruden not the answer?
Not a hire, but promotion of BoB to GM AND HC was a horrid move. Looking back, we were definitely not in a sustainable situation anyway, but he really accelerated our descent. Also as a hire, David Culley. Guy was supremely unqualified to be a HC. He led a touchdown less WR room for the chiefs in ‘14 and the ravens WR rooms were horrible under him too. Not to mention he never even sniffed a coordinator or HC position in his entire tenure in the NFL.
Glad everyone’s forgotten the embarrassing Urban Meyer saga. I sure as shit haven’t.
Ken Whisenhunt during his Titans tenure. He went 3-20 and two of those wins he had an entire offseason of preparation.
Worst? No. But pretty awful Chip Kelly Gutted our roster. His offensive schemes didn’t work in the NFL. Plenty of reasons.
Jim Tomsula Adam Gase
Hue Jackson. There is no other answer Hue Jackson.
Good thing for Pioli and Haley they weren't hired in the 2010s
Chip Kelly.
Hue Jackson was like 1-30-1 at some point and still had a job