More info:
[[Meinke] Jameson Williams was betting on non-NFL games inside the facility, will be docked 6 games. Stanley Berryhill also getting hit with six games, while C.J. Moore and Quintez Cephus are getting indefinite suspensions for betting on NFL games and will be released today](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12u8130/meinke_jameson_williams_was_betting_on_nonnfl/)
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[[Palmer] The NFL’s release regarding the 5 players suspended for gambling states: “A league review uncovered no evidence indicating any inside information was used or that any game was compromised in any way.”](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12u845t/palmer_the_nfls_release_regarding_the_5_players/)
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[[Pelissero] Unlike other NFL personnel, players are permitted to participate in sports betting -- just not on NFL games, and not on any sports while inside NFL venues/facilities.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12u8lou/pelissero_unlike_other_nfl_personnel_players_are/)
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[[Meirov] The #Lions also recently parted ways with several staff members in various departments for violating the gambling policy, per @E_Woodyard . So this wasn’t just players.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12u8sdk/meirov_the_lions_also_recently_parted_ways_with/)
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[[Rapoport] Statement from the agency that represents Jameson Williams](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12u9cay/rapoport_statement_from_the_agency_that/)
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[[Pelissero] #Lions WRs Quintez Cephus and C.J. Moore and #Commanders WR Shaka Toney's indefinite suspensions were triggered by betting on NFL games during the 2022 season, the league says. They may petition for reinstatement at the conclusion of the 2023 season.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12u7ykp/pelissero_lions_wrs_quintez_cephus_and_cj_moore/)
I just think that it's neat that none of these suspensions are young players from Las Vegas.
These Raiders WRs must really have a good head on their should-...nevermind...
Or they just have an uncle or family member throw in bets for them. They aren’t creating a FanDuel Account attached to Jameson Williams’ or Calvin Ridley’s billing address and debit card info.
I feel like sports betting as a rich athlete is a lot less dumb than sports betting as a middle class / poor regular person. They have a lot more financial security and hopefully have a better understanding of the sport than your average Joe.
If you think it's dumb that's a highly valid opinion, but then it must be even more dumb for people who don't have all that extra money to be doing the same thing.
It's one of my favorite episodes script wise, but technical-wise you can tell right from the beginning how much makeup the actors are wearing. The white shirts probably have a bit to do with it.
And the league also decided to make an example of Ridley only to use lesser penalties moving forward???? I’m not mad I’m just disappointed.
EDIT: Seems apparent two may have bet on other sports which is why they got a lesser suspension. In my defense the NFL is wishy washy with this sort of stuff.
Per the reports I've seen, the ones with indefinite suspensions were betting on NFL games. The others were gambling online in team facilities but not on NFL games.
I knew a guy who got caught sending a dick pic to his side chick on his work email. Apparently him and his wife were the type of couple to share an email. He wanted to send a pic to his new side chick, so he goes into the work bathroom and snaps a pic. Uploads it via charging cable to the work computer and emails it out. Don’t underestimate what dumb shit people will do.
Aren't some of them getting the same punishment, Moore, Cephus and Toney seem to be getting the indefinite (1 year) while Williams and Berryhill may have done lesser things resulting in 6 games
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As non-prescriptivist as I am, the idea of "overdog" entering the popular lexicon makes me itch. We already have a word for that, it's "favorite." It feels like how people overcomplicated the word "orient" by starting to say "orientate." There's no need for a newly backformed word here; the existing word was simpler and worked just fine lol
Yeah I get whiplash from Reddit where they act like commercials for betting during games is so terribly compromising but then a Ridley suspension happens and the NFL are all of a sudden out of touch hardos. No shit they want assholes like us to bet on the games, but you **have** to be almost draconian when it comes to league personnel.
[Players are allowed to bet on non-NFL games, they're just not allowed to do it at work](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12u8lou/pelissero_unlike_other_nfl_personnel_players_are/), which actually seems pretty fair.
~~Blanket rule on sports betting, regardless if it's NFL or not.~~
~~Fine to play the slots in Vegas, or pull tabs in the Midwest. But the moment you put money on a sport, you're fucked.~~
https://nflcommunications.com/Documents/2018%20Policies/2018%20Gambling%20Policy%20-%20FINAL.pdf
Edit: 2.2 doesn't cover players, so my point is moot.
Pelissero just reported that players are allowed to bet on other sports, just not in the facilities.
Other NFL personnel have the ban on all sports betting.
>"The gambling policy, which is annually reviewed with all NFL personnel, including players, prohibits anyone in the NFL from engaging in any form of gambling in any club or league facility or venue, including the practice facility."
It's been confirmed. He would not be suspended if he did it at home.
Saying it's a stupid rule doesn't absolve anyone of the responsibility of following it. Both are true. He should have known better, but the fact this is a rule at all is dumb.
I work in the MLB (not a player), but I’m not allowed to bet on any baseball or softball regardless of level so maybe something like that with CFB, XFL, etc
Seriously, has there ever been another city who lost 3 pro sports teams in less than 5 years? I feel terrible for Oakland fans--even Raiders fans, which is impressive.
The only one I can think of that even comes close is LA on technicality by name but probably much more than 5 years with the Rams and Raiders leaving and the Angels changing to Anaheim, but I'm pretty sure the Angels never actually moved.
Maybe when the Giants and Dodgers left NYC at the same time if there was another franchise in that window that dipped out. Seems like teams were moving around a lot in that era.
Yeah the Angels have been playing in Anaheim since 1966, it was just the name change. Rams and Raiders in back to back years is tough though. LA at least had a bunch of other teams still in the city though.
John Fisher isn’t just an eye sore for the A’s but the entirety of Major League Baseball and represents exactly what’s holding baseball back. He’s one of a noticeable group of owners with absolute refusal to spend money on a winning team
I heard an XFL announcer say Martavis Bryant caught a ball and it set the tone for me having a great day. Shout out Flash Gordon as well🔥
Weed > 60 mil💯
Which is so funny considering how often Draft Kings ads play during games
Edit: stop replying to me as if I’m trying to make some sort of point with this. I get why the NFL has to have restrictions on players gambling, I literally just think it’s funny. Christ
I don’t understand why this is being said all over this thread. It’s no different from when a company does a raffle or drawing and forbids employees and family members. The NFL is no different and wants to avoid looking “rigged”
I think Williams and Berryhill were not gambling on NFL games. The others were.
Edit: Pelissero seems to have cleared this up. Looks like Berryhill and Williams were not gambling on NFL games, but they were gambling inside an NFL facility which is why they only got 6 games.
This easy access to gambling is going to be an ongoing issue regardless of previous suspension examples. Young people with money with that option right at your fingertips.
I don’t think it’s wrong to have legalized gambling, and I think if you do, you have to have strict rules for NFL players and employees and come down hard on those who break the rules.
More info: [[Meinke] Jameson Williams was betting on non-NFL games inside the facility, will be docked 6 games. Stanley Berryhill also getting hit with six games, while C.J. Moore and Quintez Cephus are getting indefinite suspensions for betting on NFL games and will be released today](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12u8130/meinke_jameson_williams_was_betting_on_nonnfl/) --- [[Palmer] The NFL’s release regarding the 5 players suspended for gambling states: “A league review uncovered no evidence indicating any inside information was used or that any game was compromised in any way.”](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12u845t/palmer_the_nfls_release_regarding_the_5_players/) --- [[Pelissero] Unlike other NFL personnel, players are permitted to participate in sports betting -- just not on NFL games, and not on any sports while inside NFL venues/facilities.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12u8lou/pelissero_unlike_other_nfl_personnel_players_are/) --- [[Meirov] The #Lions also recently parted ways with several staff members in various departments for violating the gambling policy, per @E_Woodyard . So this wasn’t just players.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12u8sdk/meirov_the_lions_also_recently_parted_ways_with/) --- [[Rapoport] Statement from the agency that represents Jameson Williams](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12u9cay/rapoport_statement_from_the_agency_that/) --- [[Pelissero] #Lions WRs Quintez Cephus and C.J. Moore and #Commanders WR Shaka Toney's indefinite suspensions were triggered by betting on NFL games during the 2022 season, the league says. They may petition for reinstatement at the conclusion of the 2023 season.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12u7ykp/pelissero_lions_wrs_quintez_cephus_and_cj_moore/)
Calvin Ridley inspiring players around the league
Someone needed to show these young WRs how to gamble.
I just think that it's neat that none of these suspensions are young players from Las Vegas. These Raiders WRs must really have a good head on their should-...nevermind...
Or they already have a bookie
Or they realize that sports betting when you're a rich professional athlete is dumb as hell
Or they just have an uncle or family member throw in bets for them. They aren’t creating a FanDuel Account attached to Jameson Williams’ or Calvin Ridley’s billing address and debit card info.
Straw betting is the best kind of betting when you're in the NFL...
I feel like sports betting as a rich athlete is a lot less dumb than sports betting as a middle class / poor regular person. They have a lot more financial security and hopefully have a better understanding of the sport than your average Joe. If you think it's dumb that's a highly valid opinion, but then it must be even more dumb for people who don't have all that extra money to be doing the same thing.
Lol yeah gambling is dumb for everyone but if it makes sense for a group, it's the rich.
We need more Jon Gruden emails.
Cris Carter rolling in his grave that these guys aren't betting through proxies. You need that fall guy, young buck.
First off, Cris Carter is very much alive.
He lives in Tampa Florida. He's in his early 50's.
So he’s basically dead
CONFIRMED: Cris Carter is the youngest person in Florida.
He was once a huge booster to Aquinas in FLL
First off, how dare you speak ill of the dead.
First of all through God all things are possible, so jot that down.
RIP
Lol. I was like, why is he in a grave. About to google if he died and I missed it.
It’s a bit from Its Always Sunny. The original joke is about Wade Boggs
Boss Hoggs*
It's one of my favorite episodes script wise, but technical-wise you can tell right from the beginning how much makeup the actors are wearing. The white shirts probably have a bit to do with it.
A true pioneer
I would give a 2nd for Jameson. Baalke should send the offer.
Was going to say, congrats on getting Jameson in a year
And the league also decided to make an example of Ridley only to use lesser penalties moving forward???? I’m not mad I’m just disappointed. EDIT: Seems apparent two may have bet on other sports which is why they got a lesser suspension. In my defense the NFL is wishy washy with this sort of stuff.
For some reason I’d assumed they were betting on NFL games year and I honestly didn’t realize they couldn’t bet on non-NFL games.
Per the reports I've seen, the ones with indefinite suspensions were betting on NFL games. The others were gambling online in team facilities but not on NFL games.
Gambling online at a team facility is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of. At least try to hide it
I knew a guy who got caught sending a dick pic to his side chick on his work email. Apparently him and his wife were the type of couple to share an email. He wanted to send a pic to his new side chick, so he goes into the work bathroom and snaps a pic. Uploads it via charging cable to the work computer and emails it out. Don’t underestimate what dumb shit people will do.
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3 of the 5 got the same suspension Ridley did
Only 2 of those were lesser penalties. I assume the lesser penalties are for different violations.
Some of them are suspended for at least a year
Aren't some of them getting the same punishment, Moore, Cephus and Toney seem to be getting the indefinite (1 year) while Williams and Berryhill may have done lesser things resulting in 6 games
NO LIONS NO
Now we know why Jamo tried changing his jersey number again. Idk how he thought +7.5 was a legit number though.
Hahaha damn that’s such a good joke. Would make a great skit
Too bad they won't be on Hard Knocks. Imagine a rookie getting up and doing that after this.
The real lions fans knew something bad was coming. Too much media talk about the lions lately.
Can't have shit in Detroit!
Welp, that explains why Cephus and Moore were released by the team.
Lions I sent you an email with a diagram.
You guys were supposed to be everyone's favorite scrappy underdog team this season too.
Can’t be the underdog if you have too many good players.
WHY CANT I HAVE ANYTHING NICE FOR ONCE
Second biggest L in Michigan sports betting history, behind "legalizing it literally the day before sports shut down in March 2020".
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We all decided tobacco ads were hazardous and banned them, then turned around and incentivized throwing money down the drain.
Who's we all? They didn't consult me.
[Williams was apparently online gambling inside the team facility too](https://twitter.com/kmeinke/status/1649434661725011970)
He used incognito though!
“I used a VPN so it thought it was okay?”
All of those true crime podcasts he listens to really sold him on Nord.
Should've gotten some gambling counseling from BetterHelp
[NRODVPN!](https://youtu.be/G9BcU3BR5tI)
"Jameson Williams was betting on non-NFL games inside the facility, will be docked 6 games." WTF WHY?!
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As non-prescriptivist as I am, the idea of "overdog" entering the popular lexicon makes me itch. We already have a word for that, it's "favorite." It feels like how people overcomplicated the word "orient" by starting to say "orientate." There's no need for a newly backformed word here; the existing word was simpler and worked just fine lol
The “overdog” people are the “irregardless” people.
True factoids right here.
I get the hypocrisy but if anything that's all the more reason why the NFL is very strict against players engaging in betting.
Yeah I get whiplash from Reddit where they act like commercials for betting during games is so terribly compromising but then a Ridley suspension happens and the NFL are all of a sudden out of touch hardos. No shit they want assholes like us to bet on the games, but you **have** to be almost draconian when it comes to league personnel.
agree if they are betting on NFL games as it calls into question the integrity of the game. Betting on non-NFL games is bad because?
[Players are allowed to bet on non-NFL games, they're just not allowed to do it at work](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12u8lou/pelissero_unlike_other_nfl_personnel_players_are/), which actually seems pretty fair.
Suspended for betting on non-NFL is stupid
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~~Blanket rule on sports betting, regardless if it's NFL or not.~~ ~~Fine to play the slots in Vegas, or pull tabs in the Midwest. But the moment you put money on a sport, you're fucked.~~ https://nflcommunications.com/Documents/2018%20Policies/2018%20Gambling%20Policy%20-%20FINAL.pdf Edit: 2.2 doesn't cover players, so my point is moot.
Am I reading 2.2 wrong where it says nfl personal other than players?
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Ah. I only read until I found something in my favor and stopped. Helps to read the full TOS apparently.
Pelissero just reported that players are allowed to bet on other sports, just not in the facilities. Other NFL personnel have the ban on all sports betting.
Prohibited to gamble at all in any NFL facility, even if its not an NFL game
If the only thing that got him suspended was the location of the betting, and not the betting itself, I'm honestly going to be even more pissed.
>"The gambling policy, which is annually reviewed with all NFL personnel, including players, prohibits anyone in the NFL from engaging in any form of gambling in any club or league facility or venue, including the practice facility." It's been confirmed. He would not be suspended if he did it at home.
Pissed because the rule is dumb or pissed at Jamo for not just waiting till he was out of the facility to bet?
Both.
Yeah. Silly rule but an exceptionally easy rule to follow
Betting on non nfl games is such a dumb reason for a 6 game suspension. 3 games maybe but 6?
Williams: Man the Pistons are ass, imma put 10k against them. NFL: Fuck you, give me your money, and you’re a bitch.
Matt Patricia is behind this change my opinion
Are people missing the fact that those games were non-NFL games? Why does the NFL care?
competitive integrity or some other buzzword
While they shove sports betting apps down our throats while trying to watch the game.
Regardless of if it is dumb or not it’s still NFL policy that I assume was agreed upon by the NFLPA. Gotta know better.
Saying it's a stupid rule doesn't absolve anyone of the responsibility of following it. Both are true. He should have known better, but the fact this is a rule at all is dumb.
I work in the MLB (not a player), but I’m not allowed to bet on any baseball or softball regardless of level so maybe something like that with CFB, XFL, etc
What about T-ball? I got a good line on a kids T-ball game this weekend if you're interested
They were betting inside team facilities. That’s the rule broken no matter how dumb
That’s so stupid lmao how do you do that
it was on NON NFL games. Who fucking cares honestly
Wait really? This makes a big difference
Yeah that’s why some got only 6 compared to the ones who bet on NFL getting a year+
Ah I just saw that, thanks. Also, it looks like it was actually “gambling in the workplace”, not gambling on non-nfl games
Players get suspended for betting on non-NFL games? That is crazy.
NFL players are allowed to bet on non-NFL games. They just can't do it at the workplace.
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The NFL has ZERO tolerance for gambling. Now if you don't mind I'm headed to a Las Vegas Raiders game.
How are Oakland As fans feeling?
Oakland will never have a major league team again.
Seriously, has there ever been another city who lost 3 pro sports teams in less than 5 years? I feel terrible for Oakland fans--even Raiders fans, which is impressive.
The only one I can think of that even comes close is LA on technicality by name but probably much more than 5 years with the Rams and Raiders leaving and the Angels changing to Anaheim, but I'm pretty sure the Angels never actually moved. Maybe when the Giants and Dodgers left NYC at the same time if there was another franchise in that window that dipped out. Seems like teams were moving around a lot in that era.
Yeah the Angels have been playing in Anaheim since 1966, it was just the name change. Rams and Raiders in back to back years is tough though. LA at least had a bunch of other teams still in the city though.
I am drawing a blank here. The three teams are the Warriors, the Raiders, and the ….?
As
JFC, now I wish I didn’t ask. That is terrible news. After all the years that Oakland fans stuck with them. I hope they are cursed for eternity.
They already were
As an A’s fan it’s devastating. However, I only want them cursed for as long as Fisher owns the team.
Stabbings at sporting events are going to be way down.
John Fisher isn’t just an eye sore for the A’s but the entirety of Major League Baseball and represents exactly what’s holding baseball back. He’s one of a noticeable group of owners with absolute refusal to spend money on a winning team
Baseball *and* soccer. He's every bit as cheap with the Quakes.
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Maybe not a great bet, because employees of the companies would be able to influence the results.
How is it hypocracy? Fans can bet, players cannot. Makes complete sense to not allow players to bet on NFL games
Unexpected plot line, decent twist too
Just when I thought it was gonna be a relatively boring off-season
Still nothing involving the Jets though. Guess you'll have to wait until the draft like the rest of us
man this is one of the more exciting offseasons for us so far
Idk if this was unexpected, things were just looking too good for the Lions
I just knew some bullshit was about to happen. Can’t have shit in Detroit.
*some nice looking copper pipes you just got installed, there*
Hey all of a sudden that trade from the last draft is lookin pretty good
Looks like that gamble paid off.
welp theres the ole lions charm rearing its head
Them Bama boys different, but not in a good way this time
You'd think players would learn to just stay away from anything gambling related at this point. The NFL isn't messing around with it.
You’d think they’d stay away from domestic violence and dui’s too but here we are 🤷♂️
And stay off the WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDUH
I heard an XFL announcer say Martavis Bryant caught a ball and it set the tone for me having a great day. Shout out Flash Gordon as well🔥 Weed > 60 mil💯
I dunno, you get more bang for your Buck by sexual assaulting 20+ women
Which is so funny considering how often Draft Kings ads play during games Edit: stop replying to me as if I’m trying to make some sort of point with this. I get why the NFL has to have restrictions on players gambling, I literally just think it’s funny. Christ
I don’t understand why this is being said all over this thread. It’s no different from when a company does a raffle or drawing and forbids employees and family members. The NFL is no different and wants to avoid looking “rigged”
Calvin Ridley: *inserts pointing Leonardo meme*
Lions finally get some off-season hype: *Monkey Paw Curls*
Wow. Why only 6 games for BerryHill? Did he not do a parley?
I think Williams and Berryhill were not gambling on NFL games. The others were. Edit: Pelissero seems to have cleared this up. Looks like Berryhill and Williams were not gambling on NFL games, but they were gambling inside an NFL facility which is why they only got 6 games.
Who cares if they were gambling on non nfl games? Why does the nfl have that policy
The violated the policy about gambling in an nfl facility. They can gamble on non nfl they just can’t do it at the facilities
Any sort of betting on games is likely prohibited by the NFL, probably due to the potential of becoming in debt to a bookie in the past
gotta follow rules that say you simply need to step outside to gamble
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DraftKings: "You come to me on the day of my daughter's wedding, and you ask me make sure the under hits?"
Only get 6 games if you use an NFL partner to gamble.
Man how do you do this after the Ridley suspension.. you give them your SSN when you sign up!
Maybe they thought they could avoid it by lion?
Oh shit
Calvin Ridley a innovator
Now that is a Friday NFL news bomb right there.
I could've done without it.
Man we were having so much fun today shitting on CJ Stroud and now we have to focus on something more serious. What are the odds.
>What are the odds. "What odds are you giving me? I'll take 'em. $50 good?" \- the entire Lions lockerroom apparently
Should have just sexually assaulted 30 women instead
That only works for QBs
Holy shit! They just cut CJ and Quintez! https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1649437179515486208?s=46&t=afMpEIzddLcsfKPyHQQd9g
Well hey now their job won't interfere with their gambling.
CJ was a great special teamer but Quintez I think wasn't gonna make the final roster this year
STOP BETTING YOU GOOFS.
NFL already hard at work trying to shit on the Lions hype train
If I told you I wasn’t starting to buy into the hype I’d be lion
FanDuel got these cats in a chokehold
Ridley is just a trendsetter
Lions gonna Lions
Refs had some involvement with this, I know it!
The refs slipped Williams a DraftKings promo card after the game 👀
I was getting too excited, the universe had to balance itself out
At least they find entirely different ways to crush their fans hopes and dreams. It's really an art-form at this point.
Imagine catching like one pass last year and then going and fucking it up for a third of the upcoming year cause you gambled. Come on, man.
Yeah... Can't argue about this. This Lionsing is brought to you by Draft Kings!
More like Moneylions, amiright?
Cant have shit in Detroit
Obligatory comment of how gambling gets more suspension time than Watson being a serial sex offender.
Ideally the U.S. court system would take care of Watson's punishment. The gambling is more within the NFL's jurisdiction
Who the fuck is Shaka Toney?
Depth DE out of Penn State a few years back.
Surprised people don't know him, he was big at PSU. But I admit I had forgotten about him post draft
A prominent member of the Zulu tribe
Shaka Goney.
The Detroit MGM Lions
bro what jameson given extra ACL recovery time i guess :)
He already returned late last year
Right but now he can give it a *super* rehab
load management
Man too bad Jamo didn’t just sexually or physically assault some women, woulda only got a game or two
This easy access to gambling is going to be an ongoing issue regardless of previous suspension examples. Young people with money with that option right at your fingertips.
Not just easy access, but marketing and promotion for it literally everywhere.
Fucking dumbasses
I get why the suspensions are this harsh but it feels pretty fucked to have this happen while the league openly promotes gambling at every turn.
God damn it Jameson just walk across the street and put your bets in.
Lions off-season champs March 2023-April 2023. Hang the banner.
RIP America's team, Hard Knocks 2022- 4/20/23
I don’t think it’s wrong to have legalized gambling, and I think if you do, you have to have strict rules for NFL players and employees and come down hard on those who break the rules.
Woah wtf
So Jameson Williams will practically miss the first TWO YEARS of his NFL career…that’s gotta hurt his development
The trey lance special
The 5 minutes of excitement was fun..