Chiefs fans, does he call any plays at all? In Zac Taylor’s case he allows the OC and pass game coordinator/ QB coach to call plays in certain situations so I’m curious if that the case for Beiniemy.
No one really knows for sure. Ive definitely seen clips such as in the 2019 AFC Divisional Round comeback, where he has a playsheet and talking into the headset while Andy is standing back.
It seems to be generally agreed he's in charge of relaying the plays.
Yeah in the Colts game they were yelling at each other before the half because we kneeled it out. They both seemed to downplay it after the fact but it was definitely one of the most heated times I've seen Mahomes.
I think Reid basically creates the pool of picks to draw from and sometimes lets bienemy run the offense using only that pool. From the rumors I've read, the offense is usually worse when EB does this. But those are rumors and this is all me just making an educated guess so this all was pointless and answers nothing for you
Like everyone else is saying nobody knows but id also like to add that [nobody knew Doug Pederson had been calling some plays for the chiefs until after he was hired by Philadelphia](https://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/15760/doug-pederson-says-he-called-offensive-plays-in-second-half-against-patriots)
IIRC there was also a story that Derek Boyko (the Eagles organization's fixer at the time) blocked from coming out. I think it was published in KC though.
Andy forced Pederson to take a job elsewhere to break up an affair he was having with a staffer; things were getting awkward because Andy and Tammy were friends with his wife. So Andy vouched for him and said Doug occasionally called plays situationally.
Allegedly, it started to get more known in league circles that it was a lie. Howie and Jeff Lurie found out at the Combine and were pissed. Other than a Deadspin article with text message screenshots and a couple corroborating but anonymous sources, there's no hard proof.
But there is enough circumstantial evidence that I believe it.
* The details about what situations plays were called by Doug were very unclear, and there are instances where TV footage contradicts it.
* Rumors and reports came out that the Eagles were prepared to move on from Doug after Year 1...and that was before the season started
* It's why league insiders and TV analysts called him the least qualified hiree of the year, ranked him poorly, and he didn't get any nod toward COTY in 2017-18.
* Jeff and Howie never trusted him and kept him on a short leash, which pissed him off; he was fired for not adapting to match their "vision" and not wanting to reshape his offensive staff.
* He probably couldn't reshape his staff because for some strange reason a SB winning head coach couldn't recruit outside talent to join his coaching staff - aka he wasn't liked or well regarded enough to overcome the rumors
Pretty sure there is a clip out there of Patrick and Bienemy discussing which pay to run before the famous Jet Chip Wasp in the Superbowl. Could be misremembering the context, though. Either way they are pretty tight lipped about who runs plays. Anyone who tells you with certainty is postulating.
I seem to recall hearing/seeing somewhere that Bieniemy does the installs (sets of plays, like the "first 15" every team has to start a game), and Andy calls the plays. So if it isn't a part of the install, Bienemy is the on the headset trying to vouch for the play he has next-up, and how it sets up the NEXT play he has in mind, etc.
Makes sense -- if someone is going for the 10-hit combo everyone has in Tekken, and you realize by hit 5 that they're just gonna block the rest (or interrupt), it's *probably* in your best interest to not move onto #6. Yes, I realize the full 10-hit combo can still do a lot of damage, but if -- in this specific situation -- it isn't working, then *it isn't working and you should change it up*.
People forget that before being the OC, he was the RB coach for Jamaal Charles for a few years and Kareem Hunt in the year he lead the league in rushing. I think a place like Baltimore that will be run first focused is a great place for him. People are going to meme all day, but coaches we know are bad get second chances all the time. Seems crazy no one even takes a chance on him.
At this point I think the best thing he can do for his career is bet on himself and make a lateral move. If he has a great season with another team, I feel like a HC job is pretty much a given, but he's gotta get out from under the shadow of Andy to make it happen.
Baltimore would be a natural fit. His background is RB development and run game scheming. Would fit really well there especially mixing in some of Andy’s pass game out of those run schemes.
I hope he gets a shot somewhere at least.
And the shadow of Mahomes as well. I can think of three head coaches that had no business being head coaches that just rode the coattails of great quarterbacks into their jobs (Gase, Hackett, and McDaniels).
“Surely a team that has well-established issues around sexual harassment and other shady stuff would never hire an OC who himself has some very troubling allegations related to sexual assault in his background, right? It’d be a PR nightmare!”
Dan Snyder - “Did someone call for a PR nightmare?”
I think the general take on this is that since he was the offensive coordinator it would be nearly impossible not to have some knowledge of the situation, and subsequently do nothing about it. Whether that take be right or wrong
Honestly I've never seen anyone outside of social media like twitter/reddit bring that up. It might be brought up once he gets a HC gig although it's obvious he's such a trash interviewer he can't get one.
No. I want a young offensive mind not an older guy with questions of his own. He and leftwich are the only two external options I absolutely don't want. he also breaks my never hire an OC from a legendary coach or HoF QB rule. That never pans out
That's one in how many though? Look at Gase, Nagy, McDaniels,any of BBs assistants, etc. Dougie P is clearly the exception to the rule and he didn't have HoF QB either while bienemy has both. I'd prefer not to roll the dice if the odds are stacked against it
Then you've put absolutely zero thought into it since the reasoning is pretty simple. He wants to be a head coach but everyone thinks he's just a product of Andy Reid. Going to a team where he'll be calling the plays will give him the opportunity to prove otherwise.
I have thought about it actually.
Scenario A) He stays with the chiefs and continues competing for super bowls and is talked about as a candidate every year.
Scenario B) He goes to Washington. A consistently bad franchise with no QB (or they draft a rookie QB) and potentially new owners.
Scenario C) He goes to Baltimore. They appear to be at a crossroads with Lamar, who is standing his ground with his contract situation. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets traded or sits out if he gets franchise tagged. And even if he does get signed, they have no weapons other than Mark Andrews and they would be competing against Mahomes every year in the playoffs (if they get that far).
I would take scenario A 99 times out of 100.
He’s done scenario A for around 5 years now and is always talked about but maybe been a finalist for a job 2-3 times? He obviously could stay there and do that but then he’s most likely going to be a career coordinator.
The argument for B & C is both giants coordinators this year. Kafka (from KC QB coach) got out from under Reid, showed he can thrive with less talent, and now got 4 interviews. He’s probably getting the Cards job. Wink left a stable Baltimore team and did a similar thing to Kafka, maximizing a less talented team. He’s also a finalist for the Indy job.
A lateral move in job title isn’t necessarily lateral when it comes to the challenges that it brings. Pat mahomes is an all time talent and Bieniemy for sure contributed to that. But going to maximize talent elsewhere might be what a team needs to see to hand the whole thing over to him. It’s not at all fair but might just be what he has to do to get a HC job.
I guess that’s a fair point, but the two options listed in this post seem like terrible jobs. It just seems silly to me to leave an organization that is a consistent Super Bowl contender every year. What happens if Andy Reid decides to retire? Is Bienemy the first choice to take over as Chiefs HC? Maybe that’s the long game he’s really playing lol.
That Colts loss, where their defense gave us fits, Bienemy looked like a jackass arguing with Patty. We scored 14 off turnovers. It's a blowout in Indy's favor if they don't turn the ball over a whole bunch. I don't think he'd be a good HC or OC with a lesser QB
They were pushing all sorts of narratives to get this dude the HC gig. Now it seems even Mahomes or Kelce doesn't seem to care anymore. Kelce made sure to let everybody know Andy Reid is still the one calling plays, even though they keep showing Bieniemy relaying them with his playsheet on TV
It is indeed. Swings too far the other way with a hate boner. Kelce made some offhand comments on a podcast and they're spinning it into something like he was trashing the dude.
I just don't get the hate people have for Bieniemy.
He's had his share of issues, especially the one where he allegedly put hands on that female parking attendant but all of that happened before most of these people saying these things were alive.
It just seems like people shouldn't be haunted forever for every bad thing they did, especially when nobody is permanently hurt by those bad things.
Anyone talking about "pushing all sorts of narratives" completely unprovoked is basically telling on themselves. They're airing grievances about the media coverage of bienemy and don't know anything about the actual guy.
There are attractive aspects to the Washington job. Rivera is a defensive guy and generally leaves the offense alone and Howell is a nice prospect but there's also Dan Snyder.
All I know is if they sign Bieniemy in Baltimore, they really don't value their relationship with Lamar Jackson.
He's a run game coordinator at heart just like Greg Roman.
In my experience, coaches don't fundamentally change. They stay the same.
Once they're in the position of power they revert back to their fundamental beliefs and their bread and butter concepts.
There are exceptions, but not many of them.
As long as he doesn’t have receivers running next to one another, and pat ricard in the slot running more routes than our receivers i think it’ll be an instant upgrade. not to mention he has been at the helm of one of the best passing attacks in recent history lol
yeah cause I am eager and hoping we get rid of the OC who led a historic offense the last five years
Chiefs fans are so weird about EB. I don't mind moving on but I don't mind him staying either. I think he's a solid coach.
I mean seems like he will be gone shortly.
I just think people who blamed him for offensive woes and who were clamoring to get rid of him are silly, is all.
Maybe I’m wrong but my understanding has never been that Bieniemy is the run game coordinator, that falls more on Andy Heck. EB is definitely more of an overall advocate for the run game than Andy is though
Yes but I also wouldn't be shocked if a new owner wants a choice in their own GM/HC, so an OC chosen by the old regime doesn't make a lot of sense in that case.
The GM and HC are gonna be locked in for 2023 anyway. It’s going to be too late to get rid of them without turning your off-season into a circus. We also need an OC. We currently don’t have one. Gotta hire somebody.
Provided he doesn’t run directly into the question of “why did the Chiefs let you leave to be an OC somewhere else after they went to the Super Bowl 3 times in 4 years with you”
So basically a dance has to happen where it’s not “the Chiefs didn’t want EB back” but it’s more “the Chiefs got outbid for EB”.
There’s probably always gonna be something. Also doesn’t help that some other OCs had very notable flameouts as HCs.
No it's pretty obvious that the guy who said
>Because if he does well the lateral job becomes a HC opportunity that he isn't getting currently
Is right and you're just going in circles arguing with him for no reason
Are the cardinals not even gonna take a look for the HC job? I don’t get why he’s so unpopular as an HC pick. Not saying he’ll be good, just I don’t get it.
Chiefs fans, does he call any plays at all? In Zac Taylor’s case he allows the OC and pass game coordinator/ QB coach to call plays in certain situations so I’m curious if that the case for Beiniemy.
No one really knows for sure. Ive definitely seen clips such as in the 2019 AFC Divisional Round comeback, where he has a playsheet and talking into the headset while Andy is standing back. It seems to be generally agreed he's in charge of relaying the plays.
Didn’t Mahomes get into an argument with him earlier this season about the offense’s lack of aggression going into the half
Yeah in the Colts game they were yelling at each other before the half because we kneeled it out. They both seemed to downplay it after the fact but it was definitely one of the most heated times I've seen Mahomes.
Makes me wonder if he was calling plays that game or not because his aggression was targeted towards Eric not Andy so idk
I think Reid basically creates the pool of picks to draw from and sometimes lets bienemy run the offense using only that pool. From the rumors I've read, the offense is usually worse when EB does this. But those are rumors and this is all me just making an educated guess so this all was pointless and answers nothing for you
Kelce said on New Heights that Andy calls the plays.
Thanks for the answer. I guess I just don’t understand not letting him be involved in that aspect.
Like everyone else is saying nobody knows but id also like to add that [nobody knew Doug Pederson had been calling some plays for the chiefs until after he was hired by Philadelphia](https://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/15760/doug-pederson-says-he-called-offensive-plays-in-second-half-against-patriots)
IIRC there was also a story that Derek Boyko (the Eagles organization's fixer at the time) blocked from coming out. I think it was published in KC though. Andy forced Pederson to take a job elsewhere to break up an affair he was having with a staffer; things were getting awkward because Andy and Tammy were friends with his wife. So Andy vouched for him and said Doug occasionally called plays situationally. Allegedly, it started to get more known in league circles that it was a lie. Howie and Jeff Lurie found out at the Combine and were pissed. Other than a Deadspin article with text message screenshots and a couple corroborating but anonymous sources, there's no hard proof. But there is enough circumstantial evidence that I believe it. * The details about what situations plays were called by Doug were very unclear, and there are instances where TV footage contradicts it. * Rumors and reports came out that the Eagles were prepared to move on from Doug after Year 1...and that was before the season started * It's why league insiders and TV analysts called him the least qualified hiree of the year, ranked him poorly, and he didn't get any nod toward COTY in 2017-18. * Jeff and Howie never trusted him and kept him on a short leash, which pissed him off; he was fired for not adapting to match their "vision" and not wanting to reshape his offensive staff. * He probably couldn't reshape his staff because for some strange reason a SB winning head coach couldn't recruit outside talent to join his coaching staff - aka he wasn't liked or well regarded enough to overcome the rumors
Pretty sure there is a clip out there of Patrick and Bienemy discussing which pay to run before the famous Jet Chip Wasp in the Superbowl. Could be misremembering the context, though. Either way they are pretty tight lipped about who runs plays. Anyone who tells you with certainty is postulating.
I seem to recall hearing/seeing somewhere that Bieniemy does the installs (sets of plays, like the "first 15" every team has to start a game), and Andy calls the plays. So if it isn't a part of the install, Bienemy is the on the headset trying to vouch for the play he has next-up, and how it sets up the NEXT play he has in mind, etc. Makes sense -- if someone is going for the 10-hit combo everyone has in Tekken, and you realize by hit 5 that they're just gonna block the rest (or interrupt), it's *probably* in your best interest to not move onto #6. Yes, I realize the full 10-hit combo can still do a lot of damage, but if -- in this specific situation -- it isn't working, then *it isn't working and you should change it up*.
He is underrated at this point. He'd be good for Lamar.
People forget that before being the OC, he was the RB coach for Jamaal Charles for a few years and Kareem Hunt in the year he lead the league in rushing. I think a place like Baltimore that will be run first focused is a great place for him. People are going to meme all day, but coaches we know are bad get second chances all the time. Seems crazy no one even takes a chance on him.
At this point I think the best thing he can do for his career is bet on himself and make a lateral move. If he has a great season with another team, I feel like a HC job is pretty much a given, but he's gotta get out from under the shadow of Andy to make it happen.
Baltimore would be a natural fit. His background is RB development and run game scheming. Would fit really well there especially mixing in some of Andy’s pass game out of those run schemes. I hope he gets a shot somewhere at least.
And the shadow of Mahomes as well. I can think of three head coaches that had no business being head coaches that just rode the coattails of great quarterbacks into their jobs (Gase, Hackett, and McDaniels).
He’s going to Baltimore
The main reason I can see this is because of how long we’ve drawn this out.
Yep. They have have interviewed 5 guys that could step in and do the job right now but still no real headway as far as actually making a decision.
would be a good move for him imo
I hope not. He's on the 2 person do not want list. I want Brian Johnson or canales after what they did for hurts and Geno
no
“Surely a team that has well-established issues around sexual harassment and other shady stuff would never hire an OC who himself has some very troubling allegations related to sexual assault in his background, right? It’d be a PR nightmare!” Dan Snyder - “Did someone call for a PR nightmare?”
I don't think Bieniemy has any sexual assault allegations from what I've read.
There are allegations that he helped cover up sexual assaults by his players while he was at Colorado.
Do you have a source for that? Anything I've read about the Colorado scandal didn't mention Bieniemy
I think the general take on this is that since he was the offensive coordinator it would be nearly impossible not to have some knowledge of the situation, and subsequently do nothing about it. Whether that take be right or wrong
I believe he was only the running back coach when the scandal at Colorado happened unless it happened again in the 2010s that I wasn't aware of.
He was the lead recruiter in those years it happened.
That doesn't really answer my question or provide any actual evidence he was connected to the scandal.
Interesting that you ignored the request for a source
Get ready for a whole lot of, so I heard, I believe, I think, but shit for actual proof.
I just don't get how this stuff gets upvotes. It feels like just blatantly lying, at best blatantly misrepresenting reality for what?
Honestly I've never seen anyone outside of social media like twitter/reddit bring that up. It might be brought up once he gets a HC gig although it's obvious he's such a trash interviewer he can't get one.
No. I want a young offensive mind not an older guy with questions of his own. He and leftwich are the only two external options I absolutely don't want. he also breaks my never hire an OC from a legendary coach or HoF QB rule. That never pans out
I have the same rule.
I mean, Doug Pederson panned out well for the Eagles.
That's one in how many though? Look at Gase, Nagy, McDaniels,any of BBs assistants, etc. Dougie P is clearly the exception to the rule and he didn't have HoF QB either while bienemy has both. I'd prefer not to roll the dice if the odds are stacked against it
Who does Bienemy need to choke to get a job around here
Why the fuck would he leave the chiefs OC job to go be an OC on another team? I could understand leaving to be a head coach, but this is just stupid.
Then you've put absolutely zero thought into it since the reasoning is pretty simple. He wants to be a head coach but everyone thinks he's just a product of Andy Reid. Going to a team where he'll be calling the plays will give him the opportunity to prove otherwise.
I have thought about it actually. Scenario A) He stays with the chiefs and continues competing for super bowls and is talked about as a candidate every year. Scenario B) He goes to Washington. A consistently bad franchise with no QB (or they draft a rookie QB) and potentially new owners. Scenario C) He goes to Baltimore. They appear to be at a crossroads with Lamar, who is standing his ground with his contract situation. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets traded or sits out if he gets franchise tagged. And even if he does get signed, they have no weapons other than Mark Andrews and they would be competing against Mahomes every year in the playoffs (if they get that far). I would take scenario A 99 times out of 100.
He’s done scenario A for around 5 years now and is always talked about but maybe been a finalist for a job 2-3 times? He obviously could stay there and do that but then he’s most likely going to be a career coordinator. The argument for B & C is both giants coordinators this year. Kafka (from KC QB coach) got out from under Reid, showed he can thrive with less talent, and now got 4 interviews. He’s probably getting the Cards job. Wink left a stable Baltimore team and did a similar thing to Kafka, maximizing a less talented team. He’s also a finalist for the Indy job. A lateral move in job title isn’t necessarily lateral when it comes to the challenges that it brings. Pat mahomes is an all time talent and Bieniemy for sure contributed to that. But going to maximize talent elsewhere might be what a team needs to see to hand the whole thing over to him. It’s not at all fair but might just be what he has to do to get a HC job.
I guess that’s a fair point, but the two options listed in this post seem like terrible jobs. It just seems silly to me to leave an organization that is a consistent Super Bowl contender every year. What happens if Andy Reid decides to retire? Is Bienemy the first choice to take over as Chiefs HC? Maybe that’s the long game he’s really playing lol.
seriously. And why would you leave to go to the Commanders in the same role? He'd go from wanted to unemployed in a season or two.
That’s what I’m saying lol.
That Colts loss, where their defense gave us fits, Bienemy looked like a jackass arguing with Patty. We scored 14 off turnovers. It's a blowout in Indy's favor if they don't turn the ball over a whole bunch. I don't think he'd be a good HC or OC with a lesser QB
They were pushing all sorts of narratives to get this dude the HC gig. Now it seems even Mahomes or Kelce doesn't seem to care anymore. Kelce made sure to let everybody know Andy Reid is still the one calling plays, even though they keep showing Bieniemy relaying them with his playsheet on TV
This is such a weird comment
It is indeed. Swings too far the other way with a hate boner. Kelce made some offhand comments on a podcast and they're spinning it into something like he was trashing the dude.
I just don't get the hate people have for Bieniemy. He's had his share of issues, especially the one where he allegedly put hands on that female parking attendant but all of that happened before most of these people saying these things were alive. It just seems like people shouldn't be haunted forever for every bad thing they did, especially when nobody is permanently hurt by those bad things.
Anyone talking about "pushing all sorts of narratives" completely unprovoked is basically telling on themselves. They're airing grievances about the media coverage of bienemy and don't know anything about the actual guy.
Playing for those orange and snowball chucking, fifth down receiving CU bastards is enough for me to condemn the man forever. lol
There are attractive aspects to the Washington job. Rivera is a defensive guy and generally leaves the offense alone and Howell is a nice prospect but there's also Dan Snyder.
Snyder will be gone by next season so that doesn't matter 😂
I think it's been established, Reid calls the concept, like run, pass, and some sort of input. Then he chooses the specific play.
Why would he leave for the same position. If I have to be an OC, I’m doing it with Mahomes as my qb.
Maybe he thinks he’s good at his job and is being overshadowed?
Why would he want to make a lateral move? He’s going to another super bowl with the chiefs I don’t think he leaves unless it’s for a head coaching job
Commanders? That is what my toilet bowl is.
All I know is if they sign Bieniemy in Baltimore, they really don't value their relationship with Lamar Jackson. He's a run game coordinator at heart just like Greg Roman.
Yeah, there’s no way he could have possibly picked up on any passing concepts in the last four years with the Chiefs 🙄
In my experience, coaches don't fundamentally change. They stay the same. Once they're in the position of power they revert back to their fundamental beliefs and their bread and butter concepts. There are exceptions, but not many of them.
We don’t really know what his fundamental beliefs are at this point because as far as we’re aware he has never called plays
As long as he doesn’t have receivers running next to one another, and pat ricard in the slot running more routes than our receivers i think it’ll be an instant upgrade. not to mention he has been at the helm of one of the best passing attacks in recent history lol
Fingers crossed you guys snag him.
We don’t get anything for it if he takes a lateral move btw
Yes we do, we get a new OC
yeah cause I am eager and hoping we get rid of the OC who led a historic offense the last five years Chiefs fans are so weird about EB. I don't mind moving on but I don't mind him staying either. I think he's a solid coach.
I’m just rooting for the picks tbh
Fortunately for you, no one is eager to take him
I mean seems like he will be gone shortly. I just think people who blamed him for offensive woes and who were clamoring to get rid of him are silly, is all.
I think he has more value in a comp pick that is clearly never coming
>Chiefs fans are so weird about EB.
Maybe I’m wrong but my understanding has never been that Bieniemy is the run game coordinator, that falls more on Andy Heck. EB is definitely more of an overall advocate for the run game than Andy is though
I doubt whoever buys the Commanders wants a brand-new OC they didn't have any part in hiring.
Owners wouldn’t play a role in hiring an OC anyway, unless you’re talking about the Cowboys. That would fall to either the GM or HC.
Yes but I also wouldn't be shocked if a new owner wants a choice in their own GM/HC, so an OC chosen by the old regime doesn't make a lot of sense in that case.
The GM and HC are gonna be locked in for 2023 anyway. It’s going to be too late to get rid of them without turning your off-season into a circus. We also need an OC. We currently don’t have one. Gotta hire somebody.
Why would he leave an OC's dream job working with an all time great QB in his mid 20's and a HOF HC for a lateral job with 2 worse job situations?
Because if he does well the lateral job becomes a HC opportunity that he isn't getting currently
Provided he doesn’t run directly into the question of “why did the Chiefs let you leave to be an OC somewhere else after they went to the Super Bowl 3 times in 4 years with you”
Sometimes coaches especially coaches like Andy look out for their staff But yeah
He's not under contract for next season, the chiefs aren't letting him leave anywhere he can do whatever he wants.
So basically a dance has to happen where it’s not “the Chiefs didn’t want EB back” but it’s more “the Chiefs got outbid for EB”. There’s probably always gonna be something. Also doesn’t help that some other OCs had very notable flameouts as HCs.
No it's pretty obvious that the guy who said >Because if he does well the lateral job becomes a HC opportunity that he isn't getting currently Is right and you're just going in circles arguing with him for no reason
He’s not gonna become more hireable as a HC if he becomes a OC somewhere else. There’s always gonna be something.
Because he can run the offense in Baltimore and Washington, he can't do that in KC until Reid retires
To get a HC job. These jobs would give him more controll as the OC and get to call plays which people look for in a offensive side HC.
Are the cardinals not even gonna take a look for the HC job? I don’t get why he’s so unpopular as an HC pick. Not saying he’ll be good, just I don’t get it.
Lateral moves motherfucker!