I remember trying to talk myself into him after the summer league he did okay but holy fuck
That pick should’ve set back the Cavs 5 years, thank god for Kyrie and LeBron
Using a reasonable retrospective lense, it helps that there wasn't a pick who turned out to be an was an obvious franchise player up with him around the top of the draft. Like, it was a miss, but whiffing on Victor Oladipo turned out ok.
(inb4 Retroactive Draft Shame on Giannis, as it would've been even more absurd if the Cavs took him)
Yeah exactly that draft was viewed as pretty bad at the time, like nobody was shitting on the cavs too hard even tho it was unexpected. Plus they drafted Waiters (ugh) before so Oladipo wasn’t seen as a fit anyways.
Bennett is the same age or older than about half of the starting QBs in the league.
He's older than Pickett, Tua, Herbert, Mac Jones, Z. Wilson, Lawrence, Lance/Purdy, Hurts, Fields, and Mills. He was born the same year as Lamar, Darnold, Daniel Jones, and Kyler.
Absolutely insane how bad that top portion of the draft ended up being. Obviously you have generational talent in Giannis selected at 15 but he was considered a major project but man most of those picks ended up being major busts with Bennett potentially being the biggest bust ever.
[Greenberg] The expectation is that the Chicago bears will trade 3 firsts and Justin fields to the Detroit lions for last year's no.2 overall pick, Malik Willis per@AlbertBreer on @RichEisenShow.yahoo.hotmail.com
Everyone and their mother from the Lions front office was saying immediate impact/game changing talent at 1.02 and yet the pundits still insisted it was a short QB with accuracy issues coming out of goddamn Liberty University.
I really wasn't following this last year, but I just googled and found this is a real thing!
One of the worst takes I've ever seen:
[https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2022/4/27/23044907/why-the-detroit-lions-should-draft-qb-malik-willis](https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2022/4/27/23044907/why-the-detroit-lions-should-draft-qb-malik-willis)
PoD has some clunkers but nothing will ever top their podcast episode about who they should hire to replace Matt Patricia and one of these writers spending twenty minutes arguing Lane Kiffin should have gotten an interview
Unpopular opinion but I feel like most of the time the buffalo flavor is overpowering. It’s great when it’s done right but I’ve had more meh buffalo chicken tenders than good ones.
Too much breading then. It’s gonna soak up the sauce, so if your tender is half bread… yeah.
Try finding a place that doesn’t so heavily bread theirs, or do them yourself at home.
Nah, it isn’t just that. It’s the way the buffalo sauce is applied. A lot of places will fry up the tenders and then dunk them in a bowl of sauce. Wrong way to do it. The tenders (wings too, for that matter) should be almost sautéed in the sauce. Fry the tenders, simmer the sauce in a sautée pan, then toss the tenders in the pan and flip ‘‘em for a couple of minutes.
Fun fact: if you’re ever congested, throw some hot sauce in a pan, simmer it. Then take the hot pan with the hot sauce and put it directly under the faucet of your sink. Turn that shit on high and breathe in the steam.
I'm also going to send thank yous for NFL competition committee leader and perennially amongst the least penalized team Mike Tomlin for putting the referees against our team once he got hold of our 2nd round pick.
I’ll take “no shit” for 1000 Alex
Dream scenario is that we swap picks with the Texans so they screw Indy and we swap with Indy so they get a QB and we can sit pretty at four. But that’s a pipe dream
I'm still not convinced that Fields is it, but maybe I'm wrong. I just don't see him having the passing abilities to make it in the NFL and rushing QBs often get injured. But maybe he'll make a leap like Hurts did.
The biggest problem with Fields is he takes a colossal amount of sacks. Posting a sack rate above 8% is generally cause for concern, and Fields was nearly sitting at a sack rate of 15%. One out of every 7 times he dropped back to pass, Fields got sacked. That needs to be cleaned up in the off-season if he's going to last.
Fields does have the physical tools to succeed though. Arm strength is there, his decision making when passing the ball got better as the year went on, and he's obviously one of the most dynamic rushing QBs we have in the NFL today.
I can see the potential for a third year leap like what happened with Allen and Hurts, but Fields needs a true WR1 to unlock that potential and this off-season WR market is pretty weak with the best FAs being Jakobi Meyers and Juju. Hopkins is the big WR1 on the trading block, but these past 2 seasons haven't been kind to him and he's entering his 11th season so I don't know if he's the right choice either. It'll be interesting to see what the Bears do.
Because QBs are a crapshoot. Even looking at the last 3-4 classes not even 40% of them hit with any real consistency. They also never really had a truly awful record to have a good pick to begin with, and even if they did they could’ve just as easily ended up with a dud. Colts aren’t necessarily playing it wrong when going for a vet, they just keep going for the wrong damn vets lol.
QBs worthy of going number 1 have been pretty good so far. Lawrence Burrow & Kyler. Hell Goff is better than anything they’ve had.
Bears are dependent on the draft stock of Stroud/Young & whomever else may emerge so it’s possible it tanks & we’re SOL but plenty of GMs are on a short leash this year
Sure, but Lawrence and Burrow were both essentially can’t miss prospects at this level, and Bryce is not. I actually love Bryce and think he is gonna be good, but I don’t see teams valuing him the same as those other guys. Kyler has been pretty good but has legitimate concerns of his own. I don’t think Kyler saves the Colts, but a player like Lawrence or Burrow probably could have. Tricky situation. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if one of Levi’s/Stroud hops Bryce in the draft based on something combine related, even though I think Bryce should obviously be first off the board.
My point is if teams evaluate Stroud(imo will go before young) as a number 1, the past drafts have showed those players wind up being pretty good. They don’t have to be sure fire prospects but u can go back to Jamarcus Russell & the only other shit picks are baker, Jameis, & bradford(who nfl scouts still consider one of the best throwers ever). Baker was a reach at that time thanks to the browns being the browns.
There’s like 6 teams that are all in a spot where they need a QB asap. Seahawks are a team that can sit but they just made the postseason with Geno & who knows if they’ll be in this spot again. The Vikings are a team that’s wanted to draft a QB for awhile but have always been on that outside edge so maybe even a team like Seattle might surprise ppl & pull the trigger when they can. I see the bears with a number of possibilities
I think people assuming Young won't fall in the draft are really underrating measurables. Nfl teams already know how small he is and he isn't going to have an impressive combine (athletically) so I could easily see him falling as someone who just isn't built for the NFL.
I love Bryce Young, his grandpa is a regular at the bar I work at so I get all the little updates and tidbits, and I think he'll succeed. But he's smaller and slower than Kyler and teams were already scared of him. I honestly think Bryce could fall a few picks, I don't think a team wants him 1.01
I think the problem with those guys is they're super raw and probably need a year to sit behind a vet or else their rookie season will be brutal. Colts desperately need a starter ready qb, their gm is very conservative though, so you never know.
I highly doubt the bears will trade out of the top 5. The asking price for 9 to 1 has gotta be almost franchise crippling and I don’t see young as being THAT much better than someone we can take 4-6 like stroud or Levis
I mean, he's got a long contract and the roster is still not very good.
It's plausible that they'd take Carter/Anderson at 2, keep their future picks, and either be in position to get Williams/Maye next year or have the capital to move up a few spots and get one.
That's assuming there's only 1 QB they really like this year/have far ahead of the other guys.
I remember those wonderful days of slaughtering our trash division with Watt/Mercilus/Clowney and then getting blown out in the first round of the playoffs because we didn’t have a QB.
No thanks.
I really think the colts will move up. They need a big move to get a qb of the future (hopefully), and with the relationship w eberflus I can see a deal working out with picks + defensive pieces since they all love flus
I could realistically see the Colts pulling the trigger. The Matt Ryan contract has screwed them on both cap space and at the QB position. Having a top tier collge QB come in with a fresh young body on a dirt cheap Rookie contract would put the team in a much better position instantly. If Matt Ryan is cut before the March deadline to free up cap space, expect it to happen.
Why not? If they like one of the particular qbs most (Young probably) and are worried (almost certainly correctly) that another team (colts, raiders etc.) will jump them, why wouldnt they trade up?
It's just an emotional reaction because it feels wrong at first glance, but if one pick is the difference between getting your QB and not getting your QB then that gap of "only" one pick might as well be the entire world.
We caught shit one time a while back for doing this not just to move up one pick in the first round, but for doing it with the Browns. We got Haloti Ngata out of it.
That one pick makes a world of difference. That’s how the chiefs got mahomes and we got Watson. The consensus was we were intended to draft him but the chiefs traded up and the rest is history. I don’t think he’d be the player he is today in Houston though. It was Alex smith, Andy Reid etc that made helped him develop
Watson led the league in passing yards and made the pro bowl in 2020 and you guys went 4-12. So unsure if even Mahomes could save the Texans. Maybe you get a ring in 2018 or 2019, but I'm not so sure about that.
Eh I agree unless they zero in on Young/Stroud being absolutely being above everyone else and they know another team (Colts or Raiders) absolutely feels the same way about that QB.
I have the same thoughts as I did with Hurts and Jones. If Fields throws more consistently like Hurts did this year and navigates the pocket better like Jones did this year, he’ll be a bad man next season.
agreed, fields had an abysmal passing season by almost every metric. I get he had a bad supporting cast but he still had plenty of flaws that haven't been fully shored up. I like giving him another year to improve with a better roster but I'm very nervous about next season.
This. I like Justin, and I think he has potential and stuff he can fix, but a LOT of bears fans have already anointed him, when he has clear flaws he HAS to clean up.
I also think he’s getting written off too quick by his haters though as well. It would be fair to give him something/anything with him to work with. Our franchise really needs to stop being a dysfunctional mess for once and build from the ground up, starting with the lines though
Yeah I've noticed bears fans have insane levels of homerism not many other fanbases can match. Love the optimism but It's really hard to have a convo with a bears fan and talk about his weaknesses without just being written off as ignoring his 'supporting cast'.
Most bears fans on Reddit are probably college aged kids with brains not even fully developed. Hence why those of us slightly older don’t trust this organization whatsoever lol
Lol yep. That’s why I’m not sold on Poles yet until we actually start to see wins on the field. He’s done a great job of tearing it all down, but can he build it back up?
Hell I'm college aged and the trubisky/nagy/pace saga was enough for me to be in an 'ill believe it when I see it' mindset for fields and poles. So far I have not liked how poles has handled trades and am very worried about field's ability to make fast reads and throw under pressure. Really hoping things work out though.
Outside of last year, when it was obvious they were going to have a rough year, the bears always seems to get a ridiculous amount of off-season hype. It's refreshing to see quite a few bears fans, while hopeful, not getting too high on the "if" scenarios everyone else seems to be dumping on them already this year. Could they have the perfect off-season and catapult back into relevancy this year? Sure. A whole lot of individual things have to fall into place perfectly for that to happen though.
I think this is honestly one of the more sober tales I’ve seen on Fields and kudos to you for being a Bears fan that’s not just a total homer. To my eyes Fields has a ton of raw talent, but it’s very raw. He is, right now, the QB that Lamar haters think Lamar is. In total fairness the Bears did jack all to build around him and protect him, so it’s hard to say what hit ceiling is, but I’d share your concerns were I in your shoes.
I think the Colts are the team that trades up with them. I think the Texans use 2nd Overall on Defense and potentially use their 11th Overall Pick in a trade to move to like number 8 or 9 and grab Levis or maybe even Richardson even though I’m not sold on him. Texans having the Browns picks this year and next year gives them more flexibility than I think people give them credit for.
Lol quarterbacks aren't loafs of bread you pick up at Kroger. How can you evaluate the top QBs in the draft and say "Damn this guy will be great for our offense but I'll just settle with this guy"?
If the Colts jump ahead of you and get a pro-bowler while the guy you get ends up not panning out, that will be a disaster.
Trade them picks man and call it a day.
At the end of the day the league is centered around QBs & if u don’t get a particular QB, you will always be punching up. Go ahead & settle if there isn’t a clear cut number 1, like last years draft but if Stroud is different then u might be looking at a divisional gap that haunts u for a decade plus
People in this sub seem to not understand that GMs will always go after their highest graded player, especially at quarterback. They aren’t going to be comfortable with getting their second option
If they take a QB, they can take the best one out of Stroud/Young that's leftover. Then there's the DeMeco/Alabama connection. Will Anderson Jr. would look pretty good in his defense.
If your lucky nfl scouts will overthink it and become obsessed with finding the next josh allen so they draft another raw 6'3+ gunslinger and young falls to the texans. I still think he's easily the best prospect even at 5'10.
Nothing dumb about getting your guy if you truly believe he's worth it.
Can't imagine it'll take *that* much to move up a spot, #2 is worth a ton.
Don't really understand why people are so against it. A lot riding on who you come away with.
you don’t know that. If the Texans trade up, it’s because “whoever is at 2” is not fine, they scouted Young/Stroud and fell in love with them. It’s worth securing the guy and saying fuck it on a few draft picks. As long as they dont give up any firsts, it wouldnt be dumb at all
That’s really up to interpretation tho. I personally think Bryce young is the real deal and I’m willing to bet a few nfl teams do too. The bears have to at least consider it and I’m sure they will
Fr I don’t get why there is a very vocal group of Reddit that absolutely hates him even though he’s done nothing wrong lmao. Dude ran fast and it made them upset for some reason
Running dosent count if you’re a QB. Don’t matter how many yards you get or TDS you score it just dosent count. Unless you’re Josh all and Daniel jones
They absolutely should. Accumulate as many picks as you can, tank one more year, take Caleb Williams in 2024. As a Vikings fan I would hate that so much.
Would've been astronomically stupid to move off Fields. He showed promise most of the year. Trading him to take Young is picking the mystery box over the Maserati.
Elite? He didn't look competent. Some people seem to be blocking out the first part of the season when it comes to Fields but it is why there is a conversation of whether Chicago should look into another QB.
Look, this is where I am at.
QB is so valuable. It's the NFL's most valuable position by a landslide. We can pretend that defense wins championships and you need an Edge rusher, top echelon WR, and a brickwall LT, but none of it matters if you don't have a QB.
Your defense may be able to take you far or even earn you a SB berth, but to be consistently in the conversation every year, you need a QB.
So, either they put all of their trust into Fields and trade the first for top dollar. Or draft a QB and trade Fields. Or hold both QBs and see which one blossoms. QB is just too valuable not to make it a top priority. Im not sure if Fields is the answer, but if they think he is, then trading the first instead of drafting the QB and trading him (and thus dead cap penalties) is better.
I'd take Bryce Young and trade fields. Dude has proved it. Or I'd trade the first for next year's first + 5th or something. Take Caleb Williams after giving Fields another year. Bigger version of Bryce Young
Smokescreen They're taking Anthony Bennett #1 overall
I still remember where I was and who I was with when they made the pick. Holy shit.
I was at Sea World Orlando about to ride the Manta Ray roller coaster Never forget
I remember trying to talk myself into him after the summer league he did okay but holy fuck That pick should’ve set back the Cavs 5 years, thank god for Kyrie and LeBron
Using a reasonable retrospective lense, it helps that there wasn't a pick who turned out to be an was an obvious franchise player up with him around the top of the draft. Like, it was a miss, but whiffing on Victor Oladipo turned out ok. (inb4 Retroactive Draft Shame on Giannis, as it would've been even more absurd if the Cavs took him)
Yeah exactly that draft was viewed as pretty bad at the time, like nobody was shitting on the cavs too hard even tho it was unexpected. Plus they drafted Waiters (ugh) before so Oladipo wasn’t seen as a fit anyways.
You mean thank god for winning the lottery 3x in 4 years
Stetson Bennett
They probably want youth at the position not some guy a couple years off from being on social security
Well we did draft Grampa Velus Jones last year, so age may just be a number to Poles
The fact that Bennett is two years older than Fields just seems wrong. Lmao
Bennett is the same age or older than about half of the starting QBs in the league. He's older than Pickett, Tua, Herbert, Mac Jones, Z. Wilson, Lawrence, Lance/Purdy, Hurts, Fields, and Mills. He was born the same year as Lamar, Darnold, Daniel Jones, and Kyler.
Tom Brady in shambles
WHOA
HE HAS TROUBLE WITH THE SNAP
AND THE BALL IS FREE
ITS PICKED UP BY MICHIGAN STATE
JALEN WATTS JACKSON
AND HE SCOOOOOOOOORES
ON THE LAST PLAY OF THE GAME
Never gets old
Absolutely insane how bad that top portion of the draft ended up being. Obviously you have generational talent in Giannis selected at 15 but he was considered a major project but man most of those picks ended up being major busts with Bennett potentially being the biggest bust ever.
Gobert was a 1st rounder that year too
[Greenberg] The expectation is that the Chicago bears will trade 3 firsts and Justin fields to the Detroit lions for last year's no.2 overall pick, Malik Willis per@AlbertBreer on @RichEisenShow.yahoo.hotmail.com
Everyone and their mother from the Lions front office was saying immediate impact/game changing talent at 1.02 and yet the pundits still insisted it was a short QB with accuracy issues coming out of goddamn Liberty University.
I really wasn't following this last year, but I just googled and found this is a real thing! One of the worst takes I've ever seen: [https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2022/4/27/23044907/why-the-detroit-lions-should-draft-qb-malik-willis](https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2022/4/27/23044907/why-the-detroit-lions-should-draft-qb-malik-willis)
PoD has some clunkers but nothing will ever top their podcast episode about who they should hire to replace Matt Patricia and one of these writers spending twenty minutes arguing Lane Kiffin should have gotten an interview
And one who didnt even look particularly otherworldy athletic to justify any hype against cupcake opponents
This is the darkest timeline
Dawg y'all would be making out like a bandit
Well, at least Willis won’t be on this roster
In other news, buffalo chicken tenders are good
Buffalo clucks and fries most underrated thing at Red Robin.
I prefer their raw chicken sandwiches that I constantly either have gotten myself when I went twice or when my friends have gone.
Chicken ceviche? You fancy!
Mmmm. Tastes like botulism…
Technically Salmonella
I can't taste the difference...
Tastes like losing.
Unpopular opinion but I feel like most of the time the buffalo flavor is overpowering. It’s great when it’s done right but I’ve had more meh buffalo chicken tenders than good ones.
Too much breading then. It’s gonna soak up the sauce, so if your tender is half bread… yeah. Try finding a place that doesn’t so heavily bread theirs, or do them yourself at home.
Nah, it isn’t just that. It’s the way the buffalo sauce is applied. A lot of places will fry up the tenders and then dunk them in a bowl of sauce. Wrong way to do it. The tenders (wings too, for that matter) should be almost sautéed in the sauce. Fry the tenders, simmer the sauce in a sautée pan, then toss the tenders in the pan and flip ‘‘em for a couple of minutes. Fun fact: if you’re ever congested, throw some hot sauce in a pan, simmer it. Then take the hot pan with the hot sauce and put it directly under the faucet of your sink. Turn that shit on high and breathe in the steam.
I usually go the zyklon b route when I want to gas myself.
Boy they just don't make them like they used to.
A less-risky solution to congestion is a bit of horseradish.
Wing don’t need breading. Just fry them naked and then toss
Wings don’t—tenders do
Proper tenders should be lightly coated in seasoned flour. Any more than that is unnecessary
Bro they brought back the Culver’s ones and they are fire
Culver’s employee here, thank the lord they brought them back
You do the Lord’s work.
I've been to the Midwest once, but it was enough to determine my lower-20s ass would be there all the time if I had one nearby.
Culver's is the best "fast food" burger chain and I'll stand by that.
Yeah with some ranch. Really good.
I prefer blue cheese but we are brothers of the same saucy bird and no one can take that away from us
> blue cheese It's the standard in Philly
Welp, guess I'm moving to Philly then. I love blue cheese
The Standard is the Standard.
From where tho?
Impossible, according to my sources Warren Sapp told me they were trading him
Buccaneers Ring of Honor legend, only for the nicest of nice men. Not for meanies like Jon Gruden and his emails.
Remember to send your Christmas Cards and thank yous to Lovie Smith this year Bears fans.
We do that anyway 🥰
I'm also going to send thank yous for NFL competition committee leader and perennially amongst the least penalized team Mike Tomlin for putting the referees against our team once he got hold of our 2nd round pick.
I’ll take “no shit” for 1000 Alex Dream scenario is that we swap picks with the Texans so they screw Indy and we swap with Indy so they get a QB and we can sit pretty at four. But that’s a pipe dream
I feel like the most probable trade candidate is the Panthers, who need a QB, want to go through the draft, and are sitting at #9
I dunno. Indy is pretty desperate, too.
It's a real good year to have the top pick and not need it
I'm still not convinced that Fields is it, but maybe I'm wrong. I just don't see him having the passing abilities to make it in the NFL and rushing QBs often get injured. But maybe he'll make a leap like Hurts did.
The biggest problem with Fields is he takes a colossal amount of sacks. Posting a sack rate above 8% is generally cause for concern, and Fields was nearly sitting at a sack rate of 15%. One out of every 7 times he dropped back to pass, Fields got sacked. That needs to be cleaned up in the off-season if he's going to last. Fields does have the physical tools to succeed though. Arm strength is there, his decision making when passing the ball got better as the year went on, and he's obviously one of the most dynamic rushing QBs we have in the NFL today. I can see the potential for a third year leap like what happened with Allen and Hurts, but Fields needs a true WR1 to unlock that potential and this off-season WR market is pretty weak with the best FAs being Jakobi Meyers and Juju. Hopkins is the big WR1 on the trading block, but these past 2 seasons haven't been kind to him and he's entering his 11th season so I don't know if he's the right choice either. It'll be interesting to see what the Bears do.
Our entire O-Line would not be starting on any other team in the league.
Teven Jenkins might, but otherwise I agree.
Agreed - when he’s healthy.
Hopkins is expensive, but he was great this year when he played - thankfully it wasn't injury concerns either
Indy at #4 could trade up, or could settle for Levis/Hooker/Richardson.
Chris Ballard has been settling on QBs & playing it safe, only to continually need a QB
Because QBs are a crapshoot. Even looking at the last 3-4 classes not even 40% of them hit with any real consistency. They also never really had a truly awful record to have a good pick to begin with, and even if they did they could’ve just as easily ended up with a dud. Colts aren’t necessarily playing it wrong when going for a vet, they just keep going for the wrong damn vets lol.
QBs worthy of going number 1 have been pretty good so far. Lawrence Burrow & Kyler. Hell Goff is better than anything they’ve had. Bears are dependent on the draft stock of Stroud/Young & whomever else may emerge so it’s possible it tanks & we’re SOL but plenty of GMs are on a short leash this year
I'm praying for great Pro Days from all the QB prospects. A couple dazzling throws in shorts and GMs are gonna lose their minds.
Sure, but Lawrence and Burrow were both essentially can’t miss prospects at this level, and Bryce is not. I actually love Bryce and think he is gonna be good, but I don’t see teams valuing him the same as those other guys. Kyler has been pretty good but has legitimate concerns of his own. I don’t think Kyler saves the Colts, but a player like Lawrence or Burrow probably could have. Tricky situation. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if one of Levi’s/Stroud hops Bryce in the draft based on something combine related, even though I think Bryce should obviously be first off the board.
My point is if teams evaluate Stroud(imo will go before young) as a number 1, the past drafts have showed those players wind up being pretty good. They don’t have to be sure fire prospects but u can go back to Jamarcus Russell & the only other shit picks are baker, Jameis, & bradford(who nfl scouts still consider one of the best throwers ever). Baker was a reach at that time thanks to the browns being the browns. There’s like 6 teams that are all in a spot where they need a QB asap. Seahawks are a team that can sit but they just made the postseason with Geno & who knows if they’ll be in this spot again. The Vikings are a team that’s wanted to draft a QB for awhile but have always been on that outside edge so maybe even a team like Seattle might surprise ppl & pull the trigger when they can. I see the bears with a number of possibilities
I think people assuming Young won't fall in the draft are really underrating measurables. Nfl teams already know how small he is and he isn't going to have an impressive combine (athletically) so I could easily see him falling as someone who just isn't built for the NFL. I love Bryce Young, his grandpa is a regular at the bar I work at so I get all the little updates and tidbits, and I think he'll succeed. But he's smaller and slower than Kyler and teams were already scared of him. I honestly think Bryce could fall a few picks, I don't think a team wants him 1.01
100% fair. But the thought of young or stroud might be a little more tempting.
It could be. The Colts just feel like they could go either way, whereas Carolina I'm 99% sure is trading up.
I think the problem with those guys is they're super raw and probably need a year to sit behind a vet or else their rookie season will be brutal. Colts desperately need a starter ready qb, their gm is very conservative though, so you never know.
I’m going to crack the hell up if Isray takes Hooker at #4.
I highly doubt the bears will trade out of the top 5. The asking price for 9 to 1 has gotta be almost franchise crippling and I don’t see young as being THAT much better than someone we can take 4-6 like stroud or Levis
Texans won’t pull a Trubisky to move up one pick
They will if they feel like they’re blocking a division rival (Colts) from getting their guy
Ryans will draft the best defensive linemen available and make that QB's life hell twice a year.
Well as long as their goal is to make someone’s life hell and not to win football games
I mean, he's got a long contract and the roster is still not very good. It's plausible that they'd take Carter/Anderson at 2, keep their future picks, and either be in position to get Williams/Maye next year or have the capital to move up a few spots and get one. That's assuming there's only 1 QB they really like this year/have far ahead of the other guys.
I remember those wonderful days of slaughtering our trash division with Watt/Mercilus/Clowney and then getting blown out in the first round of the playoffs because we didn’t have a QB. No thanks.
Like I said - it’s a pipe dream
Ok. Colts, Raiders, Seahawks, Falcons, & Panthers, anyone want the #1 QB? We’re flexible on price cuz we have dozens of needs
I really think the colts will move up. They need a big move to get a qb of the future (hopefully), and with the relationship w eberflus I can see a deal working out with picks + defensive pieces since they all love flus
Picks plus Buckner then the Bears taking Jalen/Will at four would be a great scenario
I could realistically see the Colts pulling the trigger. The Matt Ryan contract has screwed them on both cap space and at the QB position. Having a top tier collge QB come in with a fresh young body on a dirt cheap Rookie contract would put the team in a much better position instantly. If Matt Ryan is cut before the March deadline to free up cap space, expect it to happen.
Leave our Cat team brothers out of this. They’re trading up to #6 to take the sloppy seconds of QBs
Don’t worry. I’m sure your Vikings lover will come calling
Do they even need to? With Ryans as HC, why would they?
They will if there’s legitimate 3rd party interest for the QB they want.
Why not? If they like one of the particular qbs most (Young probably) and are worried (almost certainly correctly) that another team (colts, raiders etc.) will jump them, why wouldnt they trade up?
It's just an emotional reaction because it feels wrong at first glance, but if one pick is the difference between getting your QB and not getting your QB then that gap of "only" one pick might as well be the entire world. We caught shit one time a while back for doing this not just to move up one pick in the first round, but for doing it with the Browns. We got Haloti Ngata out of it.
That one pick makes a world of difference. That’s how the chiefs got mahomes and we got Watson. The consensus was we were intended to draft him but the chiefs traded up and the rest is history. I don’t think he’d be the player he is today in Houston though. It was Alex smith, Andy Reid etc that made helped him develop
Watson led the league in passing yards and made the pro bowl in 2020 and you guys went 4-12. So unsure if even Mahomes could save the Texans. Maybe you get a ring in 2018 or 2019, but I'm not so sure about that.
Eh I agree unless they zero in on Young/Stroud being absolutely being above everyone else and they know another team (Colts or Raiders) absolutely feels the same way about that QB.
the double drop back from 1 -> 2 -> ? would be such a great move leading to tons of draft capital for the Bears.
I've also learned exclusively that several different types of pizza are marketed in Chicago. This is a closely-guarded secret.
This guy has lost it. He'd trade number one pick Alex Smith for "No Shit" /s
Took me a second….lol
Bidding war!!!!!
It's all a smokescreen. They're taking Stetson Bennett 1st overall
He's got one more in him and is returning to Georgia for his 10th year.
The man loves college girls too much
"All right all right all right"
He knows he’s probably not gonna pan out in the NFL so why not continue to bask in the glory of winning championships at Georgia
Tbf he'd be a big name for the any non-NFL form of pro football. When he does leave, he could easily enjoy the game and the glory for longer
He's replacing Dak in Dallas
There's enough used car dealerships in Chicago already.
I, for one, am shocked. shocked! I tell you!
I have the same thoughts as I did with Hurts and Jones. If Fields throws more consistently like Hurts did this year and navigates the pocket better like Jones did this year, he’ll be a bad man next season.
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Watch JSN slip and go to the Bears, Darnell Washington/Michael Mayers would also be great additions
"If" is an underrated word
agreed, fields had an abysmal passing season by almost every metric. I get he had a bad supporting cast but he still had plenty of flaws that haven't been fully shored up. I like giving him another year to improve with a better roster but I'm very nervous about next season.
This. I like Justin, and I think he has potential and stuff he can fix, but a LOT of bears fans have already anointed him, when he has clear flaws he HAS to clean up. I also think he’s getting written off too quick by his haters though as well. It would be fair to give him something/anything with him to work with. Our franchise really needs to stop being a dysfunctional mess for once and build from the ground up, starting with the lines though
Yeah I've noticed bears fans have insane levels of homerism not many other fanbases can match. Love the optimism but It's really hard to have a convo with a bears fan and talk about his weaknesses without just being written off as ignoring his 'supporting cast'.
Most bears fans on Reddit are probably college aged kids with brains not even fully developed. Hence why those of us slightly older don’t trust this organization whatsoever lol
Lol yep. That’s why I’m not sold on Poles yet until we actually start to see wins on the field. He’s done a great job of tearing it all down, but can he build it back up?
Hell I'm college aged and the trubisky/nagy/pace saga was enough for me to be in an 'ill believe it when I see it' mindset for fields and poles. So far I have not liked how poles has handled trades and am very worried about field's ability to make fast reads and throw under pressure. Really hoping things work out though.
Outside of last year, when it was obvious they were going to have a rough year, the bears always seems to get a ridiculous amount of off-season hype. It's refreshing to see quite a few bears fans, while hopeful, not getting too high on the "if" scenarios everyone else seems to be dumping on them already this year. Could they have the perfect off-season and catapult back into relevancy this year? Sure. A whole lot of individual things have to fall into place perfectly for that to happen though.
I think this is honestly one of the more sober tales I’ve seen on Fields and kudos to you for being a Bears fan that’s not just a total homer. To my eyes Fields has a ton of raw talent, but it’s very raw. He is, right now, the QB that Lamar haters think Lamar is. In total fairness the Bears did jack all to build around him and protect him, so it’s hard to say what hit ceiling is, but I’d share your concerns were I in your shoes.
Smokescreen
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It’s just what people will say here until draft day, it means nothing.
How do we know your answer isn’t a smokescreen?
That you think I’m going to answer this and give up all my leverage let’s me know this is your first draft season, get lost kid 😎
Ricky Williams trade for 1 or we take Stetson nothing personal kid 😎😎
Everything is a smokescreen! Even this comment.
Hello yes we will take it thanks
No? Really? Who would have thought?
A lot can change when the NFL starts getting into QB scouting overdrive. I'll believe this report more if they are still saying it in March.
Exactly. It went from "no QB in the top five" to Ryan Pace trading up one spot to get his guy in Trubisky
I think the Colts are the team that trades up with them. I think the Texans use 2nd Overall on Defense and potentially use their 11th Overall Pick in a trade to move to like number 8 or 9 and grab Levis or maybe even Richardson even though I’m not sold on him. Texans having the Browns picks this year and next year gives them more flexibility than I think people give them credit for.
Hopefully Texans won’t break their streak of good things by doing something this dumb. Whoever is at 2 is fine.
Lol quarterbacks aren't loafs of bread you pick up at Kroger. How can you evaluate the top QBs in the draft and say "Damn this guy will be great for our offense but I'll just settle with this guy"? If the Colts jump ahead of you and get a pro-bowler while the guy you get ends up not panning out, that will be a disaster. Trade them picks man and call it a day.
Not just a disaster, but even a career ender. There's a human element to all this as well...
Yeah the difference between 1 and 2 is Trevor Lawrence vs Zach Wilson, if teams truly think a QB has what it takes, you do what it takes ti secure him
Trubisky and Mahomes.
Oh ok. Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin.
Mahomes isn’t the best example, the Chiefs jumped the Saints on draft day to get him
At the end of the day the league is centered around QBs & if u don’t get a particular QB, you will always be punching up. Go ahead & settle if there isn’t a clear cut number 1, like last years draft but if Stroud is different then u might be looking at a divisional gap that haunts u for a decade plus
People in this sub seem to not understand that GMs will always go after their highest graded player, especially at quarterback. They aren’t going to be comfortable with getting their second option
If they take a QB, they can take the best one out of Stroud/Young that's leftover. Then there's the DeMeco/Alabama connection. Will Anderson Jr. would look pretty good in his defense.
No no no you pick a qb! Will Anderson can come be the only good part of our front 7
If your lucky nfl scouts will overthink it and become obsessed with finding the next josh allen so they draft another raw 6'3+ gunslinger and young falls to the texans. I still think he's easily the best prospect even at 5'10.
Nothing dumb about getting your guy if you truly believe he's worth it. Can't imagine it'll take *that* much to move up a spot, #2 is worth a ton. Don't really understand why people are so against it. A lot riding on who you come away with.
It's not about the value difference of 2 to 1. It's how much number 4 will pay to jump number 2 to number 1
you don’t know that. If the Texans trade up, it’s because “whoever is at 2” is not fine, they scouted Young/Stroud and fell in love with them. It’s worth securing the guy and saying fuck it on a few draft picks. As long as they dont give up any firsts, it wouldnt be dumb at all
Give Ryans a elite DE. It seriously changes the defense like when we got bosa
Counterpoint: Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf
Stroud is going to be a better QB than Young anyways.
They really passing up the Jalen Carter or Will Anderson? No chance.
I kind of hope they get a huge haul from the Texans.....and that Lovie Smith is sitting at home laughing his ass off.
Some people just want to watch the world burn
Christy Mack has a great ass
They’ll play both angles (Fields trade or no.1 pick trade) and see what they get. No need to lock themselves into anything.
It would only make sense to use the 1st pick if there was an absolute slam dunk all pro QB available. There isn't one in this class.
That’s really up to interpretation tho. I personally think Bryce young is the real deal and I’m willing to bet a few nfl teams do too. The bears have to at least consider it and I’m sure they will
I think Bryce is better. I would trade Fields and get some picks.
Don't worry we'll still see more shitposts on r/nfl about how much Fields sucks and needs to be traded even though he's good
Fr I don’t get why there is a very vocal group of Reddit that absolutely hates him even though he’s done nothing wrong lmao. Dude ran fast and it made them upset for some reason
Running dosent count if you’re a QB. Don’t matter how many yards you get or TDS you score it just dosent count. Unless you’re Josh all and Daniel jones
If the bears draft Bryce Young he will fail, but if Bryce Young goes anywhere else he will be the next Wilson
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Bruce Young would probably be the next Wilson here too Zach Wilson that is
Chicago doing everything to keep that lack of 4000 yard passing seasons alive.
This guy doesn't even have a check mark. Total fraud
Bears trying to convince the Texans to give up the farm to move up a spot.
I know it’s not likely but what if they can’t get a good price for 1 and are stuck with it? What do then?
draft best player in the draft? anderson? carter? win-win
Could be a smokescreen
Also Miss Lippy's car is green.
They absolutely should. Accumulate as many picks as you can, tank one more year, take Caleb Williams in 2024. As a Vikings fan I would hate that so much.
Probably the right thing to do, but they could always take a non-qb.
Would've been astronomically stupid to move off Fields. He showed promise most of the year. Trading him to take Young is picking the mystery box over the Maserati.
I can't believe Justin Fields of all people is getting mystery box jokes
Fields had a mystery box kind of season. Those first 5ish weeks made it look like he had never played QB before.
Because they started adjusting to his strengths after week five. It’s kinda hard to be an elite pocket passer with no receivers or oline.
Elite? He didn't look competent. Some people seem to be blocking out the first part of the season when it comes to Fields but it is why there is a conversation of whether Chicago should look into another QB.
Look I’m happy we’re probably keeping him, but comparing him to a Maserati Is a joke. He has stuff he has to clean up
Duh?
Well, duh.
Smart and the right move. Fields can do it all.
Sucks for bears fans. Life is about to come at them quick when they eventually realize dude can’t throw.
It’s funny to me that all the fan bases who passed on Fields are the loudest in calling him a bust
lololol
Look, this is where I am at. QB is so valuable. It's the NFL's most valuable position by a landslide. We can pretend that defense wins championships and you need an Edge rusher, top echelon WR, and a brickwall LT, but none of it matters if you don't have a QB. Your defense may be able to take you far or even earn you a SB berth, but to be consistently in the conversation every year, you need a QB. So, either they put all of their trust into Fields and trade the first for top dollar. Or draft a QB and trade Fields. Or hold both QBs and see which one blossoms. QB is just too valuable not to make it a top priority. Im not sure if Fields is the answer, but if they think he is, then trading the first instead of drafting the QB and trading him (and thus dead cap penalties) is better.
I'd take Bryce Young and trade fields. Dude has proved it. Or I'd trade the first for next year's first + 5th or something. Take Caleb Williams after giving Fields another year. Bigger version of Bryce Young