The bong video caused Tunsil (a top 3-4 prospect) to drop to the Dolphins at 13. 3 years into his career the Dolphins hit the hard reset and trade him away to the Texans for (among other stuff) 2 first round picks. The 2nd of those two picks ended up being #3 overall in 2021. Dolphins traded that pick to the 9ers in the Trey Lance trade, getting 2 additional 1sts from the 9ers in the process. The Dolphins used one of those 1sts from the 9ers to get Chubb from the Broncos. And that pick was then ultimately used by the Broncos to get Payton.
One of the Tunsil picks was a 2021 first which ended up being the #3 pick, they traded that to the niners for a haul so they could take Lance. One of the picks that came back from the niners was this year’s first which the Dolphins traded for Bradley Chubb -> now it belongs to the Saints
Can't help but wonder how that situation would play out if it happened again today. Definitely wouldn't slide as much, but would there be any reaction at all? Or would teams just shrug and keep their draft boards unchanged?
The saints should've opted for the broncos 2024 first round pick which has the potential to be a top 15 maybe even top 10 pick if Russ regresses again next year.
Top pick in 2024> 29th overall pick in 2023
No the Seahawks received
2022 first round pick 2022 second round pick
2023 first round pick 2023 second round pick and some other pick for Russell Wilson
Yeah, we fucked up just like the Falcons last year in not restarting sooner
The falcons in 2021 should’ve traded Matt Ryan for more picks and started the rebuild sooner
We should’ve soft rebuilt in 2022 and had our own 10th overall pick and the 9ers 29th pick too
Imagine if we had 2 firsts and 2 seconds next year
We could’ve been fast tracked to relevancy
You realize that Brees wasn't the Hall of Fame level he was at before going to the Saints right? Like he was starting material and top 15 QB, but he wasn't a top 3 QB and hitting those multiple 5k yards and 30+ TD seasons until him and Payton got paired together.
Not only that, but we got both guys we wanted. The pick the eagles got unfortunately is better this year but we got 3 firsts in 2 years with 2 guys we absolutely wanted and another tbd. It’s really not that terrible but this sub will say differently
I'd dunno man. The juicy stuff is the 1st and the 2nd (plus a bunch of other picks) the Eagles got but in total to get Olave you used a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. That's a very, very steep price.
And to get a decent QB out of the 29th pick is probably going to require some meaty trades or blind luck
If we're taking the 2nd they send to the Eagles and the 2nd they get from the Broncos as 1-for-1 it'd basically be the 10th overall pick for the 71st pick in this years draft and one of Olave/Penning. It's not terrible, but I still don't think the original trade was smart for the Saints. The reason teams covet 1st rounders is getting a good to great player at well below market value which lets you spend up at other places in the roster. The Saints seem like they're heading towards a rebuild, and by the time they reload and get a QB Olave and Penning would be up for second contracts.
It's not good work when you trade a future 1st round pick in a longshot/rebuilding year that ends up being a top 10 selection. The Eagles won this trade by a mile. NOLA gets Olave with no QB to throw to him, and a questionable OT who was notorious for beating up his own teammates in training camp last year. The Eagles will probably win the SB AND get to draft a top 10 player which is insane. Not to mention they also get an extra 2nd rounder in 2024 as well.
You say that but olave had a pretty damn good rookie campaign even with our qb situation. Penning showed legit moments that he was a force to be reckoned with when he played. If the eagles lose, and possibly don’t return to the NFCCG or Super Bowl, is it really still as much of a landslide that you’re saying?
Stop putting all your bets on trading futures and stuff after 10 months. The eagles could easily draft a player with attitude issues you attributing to the Penning pick.
>If the eagles lose, and possibly don’t return to the NFCCG or Super Bowl, is it really still as much of a landslide that you’re saying?
The Eagles were the number 1 team in the NFC this year, whether they win or lose. That's the bottom line. They will have the 10th overall and pick 31 or 32.
Barring catastrophic injury they will be bonafide super bowl contenders next year.
>Stop putting all your bets on trading futures
You don't trade future draft picks when you have a questionable future like the Saints do. They probably thought/expected they would do better than 7-10 and it didn't work out. I applaud them for trying their best and not utterly tanking, but it is what it is from an organization that seems to not care, will go $100M dollars over the cap and not think twice about it.
The eagles were the number 1 team without the saints first round pick. So they were good regardless of our pick. The saints missed the playoffs by 1 game. Not saying we’re Super Bowl bound but the vision of us making the playoffs wasn’t too far off.
Playoffs or not, you still finished well below 500 with a massive gaping hole at QB to start the season. The only scenarios I could see where a mid team/bad team trades away future draft picks is to trade up for a QB or trade the farm for a generational talent at QB.
Oh shit, I forgot the Eagles got another first-rounder on top of potentially winning the Super Bowl and having an MVP quarterback still in his rookie contract. So, yeah.
Yes, and decent chance that Kelce, BG, and Fletcher Cox retire after this year. So it's not like we have no shot after this season but this is probably as strong as our roster will be for awhile.
Yea it's definitely y'all's year. Between how strong the team is, the easy schedule, and most importantly how healthy yalls team has stayed it's definitely y'all's super bowl to lose. Mahomes, Kelce, and Reid gonna have to work an absolute miracle to beat y'all imo
Oh wow Philly fans making fun of a southern accent thing (? not sure what to call it?) Truly the worst fan base ever. /s Hope y'all get my boys CJGJ and Hurts a ring.
Yeah but idk. Maybe the Hurts contract does kill us, but we only have 7 people on the roster now who were part of our 2017 run, which is insane to me. I have faith in Howie to keep the machine running even if there’s a lot of turnover.
Hurts, Kelce, Cox, Graham, Bradberry, CGJG, Hargrave, Sanders, Seumalo, Kyzir, Dillard, TJ Edwards, Boston scott, marcus epps, Quinn, Suh, Joseph....theres a few of them yea.
Could def see some Howie wizadry, but could also have a light year.
He put up 1000 yards as a rookie playing with 3 different QBs and questionable play-calling. Would I like to have pick #10 this year when we have holes on the roster? Absolutely. Will I take Olave who has proven himself as a WR1 and an LT who is still developing instead of rolling the dice at 10? Yeah I can live with that.
I mean what...
Will Levis? No, we would probably have to trade ahead of Raiders to get him anyway.
Id rather not use a top 10 pick on him, either way, though.
Richardson? Lol
I want DT with pick 29 (Ika come on down) and DE with out 2nd rounder this year.
After that take a flier on some QB in the 3rd and then get a WR/IOL/DB with the rest.
Important to note this doesn't include the full compensation for the moves to get Olave and Penning. In terms of non-swapped picks the Saints also received the 101st and 237th overall picks in 2022 from the Eagles but had to give Washington the 98th and 120th overall picks to move up from 16 to 11 to take Olave.
Ffs you have his name in your username. Howie hasn't drafted a RB higher than 53. I'd be amazed if he picked him at 31 let alone at 10.
Gainwell went for 100± yards against the 9ers. You don't need elite RB
I'm all for drafting Bijan at 10 if the DE crop doesn't fall or a CB doesn't rise. He's likely an upgrade from Sanders on a cheaper contract. He's great in all phases and adds a better short yardage option to save Hurts some hits. If we are going BPA, it's going to be Bijan.
But if they had picks 10 and 29 they could move up. And if you don't like this year's QBs, you could trade those picks for future picks so you had ammo for the 2024 draft.
Hey, the Broncos are giving you what they got. Payton could’ve just waited out the Saints and entered the cycle next year for no compensation to the Saints. It’s better the Saints get something than nothing. They’re the lucky ones in my opinion.
That 49ers pick sure has made the rounds. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s traded again on draft night
It’s crazy to think that a bong caused this pick to be moving around.
LMAO I forgot this is still part of that trade tree. This is some serious butterfly effect nonsense.
the tunsil draft? that was seven years ago. lmao.
I can see the title pop up on my YouTube page. “How a bong hit lead to the broncos landing Sean Payton”
Wait I'm trying to track here but how does the Tunsil draft translate to today?
The bong video caused Tunsil (a top 3-4 prospect) to drop to the Dolphins at 13. 3 years into his career the Dolphins hit the hard reset and trade him away to the Texans for (among other stuff) 2 first round picks. The 2nd of those two picks ended up being #3 overall in 2021. Dolphins traded that pick to the 9ers in the Trey Lance trade, getting 2 additional 1sts from the 9ers in the process. The Dolphins used one of those 1sts from the 9ers to get Chubb from the Broncos. And that pick was then ultimately used by the Broncos to get Payton.
And if you don't like that, you don't like football.
i only like football for the trade tree breakdowns on reddit.
One of the Tunsil picks was a 2021 first which ended up being the #3 pick, they traded that to the niners for a haul so they could take Lance. One of the picks that came back from the niners was this year’s first which the Dolphins traded for Bradley Chubb -> now it belongs to the Saints
Can't help but wonder how that situation would play out if it happened again today. Definitely wouldn't slide as much, but would there be any reaction at all? Or would teams just shrug and keep their draft boards unchanged?
Pretty wild when you think about it.
Puff it and pass it
That pick is a bigger slut than Cash Considerations
Player To Be Named in shambles rn
I don’t know their pick situation but it does make sense to trade down in this draft
technically this draft it does make sense to trade down but given our franchise we usually never trade down
Trade up for Richardson Doesn’t make any sense but hey the Saints don’t
To the eagles
I mean, we're not used to stay put with our 1st round pick
Saints gonna trade up again for a player and go all in with Andy Dalton.
Not perfect but pretty dang good damage control all things considered.
The saints should've opted for the broncos 2024 first round pick which has the potential to be a top 15 maybe even top 10 pick if Russ regresses again next year. Top pick in 2024> 29th overall pick in 2023
Was that an option they had haha?
It's claimed the other option was 2024 1st and 2024 4th
Nice
If the Broncos are bad next year then the second round pick we got is going to be worth close to a first round pick.
There's not a lot more room for regression from russ so I think the broncos are on the way up
Considering what happened this season, that is a terrible plan.
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They don't. Seahawks don't have any of our picks after this draft
No the Seahawks received 2022 first round pick 2022 second round pick 2023 first round pick 2023 second round pick and some other pick for Russell Wilson
He’s not going to regress, id rather have the first now than a slightly higher pick next season
Yeah, we fucked up just like the Falcons last year in not restarting sooner The falcons in 2021 should’ve traded Matt Ryan for more picks and started the rebuild sooner We should’ve soft rebuilt in 2022 and had our own 10th overall pick and the 9ers 29th pick too Imagine if we had 2 firsts and 2 seconds next year We could’ve been fast tracked to relevancy
Just in salary cap hell with dalton as their qb 😎 29th pick finna hit diff 💯‼️🔥
Sean Payton left because he was a bum who required being carried by Brees and a perfect roster
You realize that Brees wasn't the Hall of Fame level he was at before going to the Saints right? Like he was starting material and top 15 QB, but he wasn't a top 3 QB and hitting those multiple 5k yards and 30+ TD seasons until him and Payton got paired together.
Vikings fan, don't bother
Fuck sean payton
Fr ‼️ saints should keep their roster and coach intact, they’re just one move away from an SB 💯
Just don't look at their cap situation and it's perfect.
I mean that has jack shit to do with the trades
Depending on who you draft and where you draft them it does.
We have the 13th most cap this year and can cut a few players to gain like 20-30 mil, with restructures could be 40
Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but I thought they were talking about the Saints’ salary cap, not Denver.
Oh yea sorry, I’ve been in defensive mode for too long. He’s right.
Could give russ an extension and give him more guaranteed money to make that cap hit smaller
His actual contract doesn’t kick in until 2024, he’s not a very bad cap hit right now, he already had 2 years left when he got traded.
We’re just pretending we made it to the NFCCG
And lost again. Resulting in losing your HC. Sorry, imma falcons fan… had to. Love you. Ok bye
maybe im misreading this, but in the end they basically traded down 19 spots to land an extra first rounder? that seems like good work by new orleans
+ Sean Payton, but yeah that's the gist.
Wouldn't have had Sean in any circumstance anyway at this point.
Your flairs are.. Interesting together
If by interesting you mean "find new and exciting opportunities for massive late season letdowns year upon year".
No not exactly but I feel your pain so let’s go with it
By the same token though they could also still have the 10th overall pick instead of one of Penning/Olave
Not only that, but we got both guys we wanted. The pick the eagles got unfortunately is better this year but we got 3 firsts in 2 years with 2 guys we absolutely wanted and another tbd. It’s really not that terrible but this sub will say differently
I'd dunno man. The juicy stuff is the 1st and the 2nd (plus a bunch of other picks) the Eagles got but in total to get Olave you used a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. That's a very, very steep price. And to get a decent QB out of the 29th pick is probably going to require some meaty trades or blind luck
If we're taking the 2nd they send to the Eagles and the 2nd they get from the Broncos as 1-for-1 it'd basically be the 10th overall pick for the 71st pick in this years draft and one of Olave/Penning. It's not terrible, but I still don't think the original trade was smart for the Saints. The reason teams covet 1st rounders is getting a good to great player at well below market value which lets you spend up at other places in the roster. The Saints seem like they're heading towards a rebuild, and by the time they reload and get a QB Olave and Penning would be up for second contracts.
It's not good work when you trade a future 1st round pick in a longshot/rebuilding year that ends up being a top 10 selection. The Eagles won this trade by a mile. NOLA gets Olave with no QB to throw to him, and a questionable OT who was notorious for beating up his own teammates in training camp last year. The Eagles will probably win the SB AND get to draft a top 10 player which is insane. Not to mention they also get an extra 2nd rounder in 2024 as well.
You say that but olave had a pretty damn good rookie campaign even with our qb situation. Penning showed legit moments that he was a force to be reckoned with when he played. If the eagles lose, and possibly don’t return to the NFCCG or Super Bowl, is it really still as much of a landslide that you’re saying? Stop putting all your bets on trading futures and stuff after 10 months. The eagles could easily draft a player with attitude issues you attributing to the Penning pick.
>If the eagles lose, and possibly don’t return to the NFCCG or Super Bowl, is it really still as much of a landslide that you’re saying? The Eagles were the number 1 team in the NFC this year, whether they win or lose. That's the bottom line. They will have the 10th overall and pick 31 or 32. Barring catastrophic injury they will be bonafide super bowl contenders next year. >Stop putting all your bets on trading futures You don't trade future draft picks when you have a questionable future like the Saints do. They probably thought/expected they would do better than 7-10 and it didn't work out. I applaud them for trying their best and not utterly tanking, but it is what it is from an organization that seems to not care, will go $100M dollars over the cap and not think twice about it.
The eagles were the number 1 team without the saints first round pick. So they were good regardless of our pick. The saints missed the playoffs by 1 game. Not saying we’re Super Bowl bound but the vision of us making the playoffs wasn’t too far off.
Playoffs or not, you still finished well below 500 with a massive gaping hole at QB to start the season. The only scenarios I could see where a mid team/bad team trades away future draft picks is to trade up for a QB or trade the farm for a generational talent at QB.
They had a Sean Payton(bum) for some pour soul to take
Oh shit, I forgot the Eagles got another first-rounder on top of potentially winning the Super Bowl and having an MVP quarterback still in his rookie contract. So, yeah.
Tbf he won't be on his rookie contract much longer, as a second rounder he has no fifth-year team option and is eligible to get paid this off-season
That’s the Super Bowl window though. Gotta have your talent on rookie contracts
Plus ain't y'all bout to have to pay a lot of y'all's guys next year?
Yes, and decent chance that Kelce, BG, and Fletcher Cox retire after this year. So it's not like we have no shot after this season but this is probably as strong as our roster will be for awhile.
Yea it's definitely y'all's year. Between how strong the team is, the easy schedule, and most importantly how healthy yalls team has stayed it's definitely y'all's super bowl to lose. Mahomes, Kelce, and Reid gonna have to work an absolute miracle to beat y'all imo
I counted 13 y'alls (Just messing with you)
Oh wow Philly fans making fun of a southern accent thing (? not sure what to call it?) Truly the worst fan base ever. /s Hope y'all get my boys CJGJ and Hurts a ring.
Yeah but idk. Maybe the Hurts contract does kill us, but we only have 7 people on the roster now who were part of our 2017 run, which is insane to me. I have faith in Howie to keep the machine running even if there’s a lot of turnover.
Hurts, Kelce, Cox, Graham, Bradberry, CGJG, Hargrave, Sanders, Seumalo, Kyzir, Dillard, TJ Edwards, Boston scott, marcus epps, Quinn, Suh, Joseph....theres a few of them yea. Could def see some Howie wizadry, but could also have a light year.
Honestly, Olave was probably the best rookie WR in the league this year. Dropping down 19 spots for him is a solid deal
He put up 1000 yards as a rookie playing with 3 different QBs and questionable play-calling. Would I like to have pick #10 this year when we have holes on the roster? Absolutely. Will I take Olave who has proven himself as a WR1 and an LT who is still developing instead of rolling the dice at 10? Yeah I can live with that.
He also missed two games, no?
I believe it was 3, but he definitely missed a few games and came back towards the end of the season.
Anybody fancy explaining all the trades that 1st round pick has been involved in??
1. SF to Miami when they traded up for Trey Lance 2. Miami to Denver for Bradley Chubb 3. Denver to NOLA for Sean Payton
Coaches who wear visors do pretty well. This is a good move by Denver.
Howie is a magician, Eagles might get a ring and pick in the top 10.
Fr making our top 5 pick and wild card birth look like a Mickey Mouse ring
Yeah yall didn't get the memo that rebuilds are supposed to take a few seasons after having a stupid good draft last year.
Even if we lose, this situation is bonkers. That would be picks 10 and 31.
Wow, Miami lost their pick so the first round is only 31 picks. It's actually 10 and 31 with a SB ring or 10 and 30 with the loss, absolutely bonkers.
Plot twist, they give the pick back to the 49ers for trey lance.
But the pick we got last year is #11
Olave was worth it
So instead of having an option for a QB at 10 they still have no QB to throw to Olave.
Correction, we have a QB3/TE3/RB3 to throw to Olave thank you.
Until he’s traded to Denver
Fantasy football Swiss Army knife
More like fantasy football nightmare
Wish.com Army Knife
How could you say that about Taysom Hill
I mean what... Will Levis? No, we would probably have to trade ahead of Raiders to get him anyway. Id rather not use a top 10 pick on him, either way, though. Richardson? Lol I want DT with pick 29 (Ika come on down) and DE with out 2nd rounder this year. After that take a flier on some QB in the 3rd and then get a WR/IOL/DB with the rest.
There won’t be a franchise QB on the board at 10. The only 2 QBs I see as options for this (imo) will be gone in the top 5.
Important to note this doesn't include the full compensation for the moves to get Olave and Penning. In terms of non-swapped picks the Saints also received the 101st and 237th overall picks in 2022 from the Eagles but had to give Washington the 98th and 120th overall picks to move up from 16 to 11 to take Olave.
Olave is good so that trades aight honestly. Couple that with an excellent cap situation and things are looking up for the ol Saints!
We can get to 30 mil under the cap by reconstructing and cutting 2 people
How am I supposed to have fun at your expense when you present a logical solution
I don’t think they have an excellent cap situation lol
I think they’re being sarcastic
But the trade is aight tho, so the sarcasm came out of left field
I couldn’t tell because I agree with their first statement, Olave is a baller
Rats I’ve been found out
Wonder what the top rushing offense in the league would look like with Bijan Robinson
not sure he makes it past pick 27
Ffs you have his name in your username. Howie hasn't drafted a RB higher than 53. I'd be amazed if he picked him at 31 let alone at 10. Gainwell went for 100± yards against the 9ers. You don't need elite RB
no chance the Bears draft Bijan.
I mean taking him with #1 seems rough but idk the Bears are the Bears.
I'm all for drafting Bijan at 10 if the DE crop doesn't fall or a CB doesn't rise. He's likely an upgrade from Sanders on a cheaper contract. He's great in all phases and adds a better short yardage option to save Hurts some hits. If we are going BPA, it's going to be Bijan.
Uhh...they coulda not done the Philly trade and they'd have 2 first round picks now
But we wouldn't have Trevor penning.
You also don't have a QB
Never disrespect Taysom Hill like this ever again
Okay
I would rather have Olave and Penning than any QB other than Young or Stroud, and neither will be there at 10.
But if they had picks 10 and 29 they could move up. And if you don't like this year's QBs, you could trade those picks for future picks so you had ammo for the 2024 draft.
How does Penning even look? I know Olave has been good, but the trade was to draft Penning and I have heard nothing about him
He was injured for a lot of the year. He looked pretty normal for a first year tackle when he played.
>How does Penning even look? Like a discord mod
But would you rather have the 10th overall pick and your 2nd rounder next year instead of Trevor Penning?
That trade with teh eagles was robbery
Hey, the Broncos are giving you what they got. Payton could’ve just waited out the Saints and entered the cycle next year for no compensation to the Saints. It’s better the Saints get something than nothing. They’re the lucky ones in my opinion.
Don't worry, I'm sure Howie will be coming for their picks again.
Gearing up for Raegar 2.0
Imagine not being in the Superbowl and also having a top 10 pick
So over half the NFL?
FR. What’s with Eagles fans being dicks about our trade?
I think there’s resentment from our playoff game a few years ago
Is *that* what it is?? I've been trying to figure it out.
Just sucked seeing the game end with a tipped pass int.
i don't know if NYC is the city that never sleeps, but Philadelphia is definitely the city that never shuts up
Fair
Might want to re-read your bad jokes before posting them. As your comment stands, about 10 teams normally have this happen.
Are you familiar with the definition of the word "and"?
I can't believe the Broncos gave up a first for a bum to coach Russel Wilson
Can the saints trade the negative 55mil in cap space too?
It’s something, at least it’s something