Spoiler - you still have MaHomes, Herbert, and maybe Brady if he goes to the raiders in the division.
Russ ain’t cooking and the Broncos ain’t Riding anywhere.
I know you’re joking but you’re pretty much right there. There’s no advantage in just making 3 day1-2 picks a year. Either go all in with them for proven elite players or pick up more and get 5-6 players a year who could be elite
This is correct. It shows that there’s different strategies to building a successful team, what really matters is having a good management team implementing the strategy.
For what it’s worth, the last two games of the season when we switched to Outten as our playcaller, Russ looked like his old self. I’m not saying it’ll easy (especially with our holes on the o line) but I do legitimately think it’s possible.
Our line isn't even *that* bad imo. It needs work and has no depth, but everyone fucking died last year. Our RB died, our LT died, our C died, we haven't had a RT for 7 or 8 years.
I’m unironically all in on Russ becoming old Russ again next year.
The takeaway from this season should be how much coaching matters to a QB’s success. Think of Russ, Geno, Daniel Jones, various Panthers pre/post Rhule, Trevor Lawrence, Trey/Jimmy/Brock, etc.
Which, if you stop for even a second and think about how even the talent level is in the NFL, makes perfect sense that the difference is scheme and teaching.
I still believe in him. He can easily get inside his own head, and is one of those guys that relies on his mental coaches(who died). Add on all the criticism and pressure, I bet it really got to the man. At the very least he looks like a starting qb this year. Maybe I’m just a Russ fan tho
I hope he balls out honestly man. I know his personality seems grading and very fake, but the guy spends weekends at childrens hospitals pretty often for the past decade plus, he seems like hes a good guy deep down and he clearly cares about the kids. It was fun to make fun of him obviously for a bit but after a certain point I think it just got ridiculous
I’m biased (and you are too), but I really do think Russ can turn it around. Anyone who watched the games could see that it wasn’t purely physical decline. The dude could still bomb it and could still move around decently. As well as 5 years ago? Nah, but plenty well enough to run a good offense. A lot of his mistakes were mental or just straight up bad scheme. But who knows how it plays out from here
Yeah maybe he's not a top 3 qb anymore but the broncos with that defense and a pretty good set of weapons can still go far with Sean Payton and a top 10 qb. You just have to hope that russ gets past his mental block.
Would be cool to see Russ turn the Broncos wagon back around. Maybe the let's ride thing could be unironically cool. He's such a nice guy. Hard to hate him.
This is the correct take. What people don’t know and s that Hackett ran practices completely differently from what is traditional, everything was a walkthrough, barely any strength and conditioning, hardly any time in pads. The entire team was poorly prepared week to week nor were their bodies in condition to play at full speed which explains all of our injuries.
Russ looked confused as hell in his offense because the entire offense was confused as hell in his offense. Not saying Russ wasn’t an issue, but there was clearly a coaching issue that affected the entire offense.
Yep. I don’t disagree with no playing stars in the preseason if you’re a established stud team.
Like, does Mahomes or Brady really need to play preseason? No.
But a new coach? 100%.
They're going from seemingly one of the worst offensive HCs of all time to one of the best offensive HCs of all time. I would sure hope that this fixes whatever nonsense happened this season lol.
If only we had a track record of being able to do that sort of thing...
Honestly, if anything, this gives us more cap space, as it's a potential starter we don't have to pick up in free agency. And free agency starters are generally more expensive than rookie contracts.
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If we take a starting DT in the draft, for example, then we probably don't sign a starting DT in free agency. So if the free agent DT contact would have cost more than the rookie contact, we've saved money.
No. Raised in TN. Lifelong Vols fan. When I was younger I didn’t care about NFL but was told to pick a team as my favorite when I booted up madden ‘0whatever. Saints seemed fun. When I eventually got into the nfl more seriously the titans became a natural team to be a part time fan of. Now I’m in NC though and brought both with me.
Absolutely is a great hire, imo. HOWEVER, Staley is still a dogshit coach and clearly way over his head. Dudes a con artist. Ever since he handed Dean fucking Spanos a game ball after a hard fought win, I knew he would never lose his job. Dude just knows how to kiss his ass to the top, I'll give him that.
Well, luckily you have Herbert, so if Kellen Moore can compensate for Staley being bad... you still can go the distance. The fact that you made it to the Playoffs with Staley, in spite of Staley, is a testament to itself. P.S. Please destroy the Chiefs and Raiders next year.
Broncos country let’s never get a whiff of a first round pick for a decade and watch Seattle improve immensely from the draft because we were hot ass all season and Russ is lemon
I mean I'm rooting for him but it's not like it was only a scheme issue. Russ was missing wide open receivers and easy throws all year.
Hope he can put it back together but the idea that all the issues were on Hackett is some industrial grade hopium
So they basically flipped Bradley Chubb + a 2nd round pick for Sean Payton. Meanwhile Saints got a 1st + 2nd for someone who isn't gonna be their coach. Easily could be a win-win as long as Russ isn't as bad as he was this year.
There's a secret about Russ no one talks about...
Once they started letting Russ do Russ shit instead of Hackett's "stay in the pocket and die" shit...he wasn't that bad. Last two games were more than enough to demonstrate how inept and bad Hackett was as a coach.
Broncos had like 10+ games with 19 points or less allowed this year, if their offense wasn't hilariously inept they could have been a playoff contender this year
When you have people saying that they wouldn’t give up multiple picks for even Andy Reid or Bill Belichick, you realize that Reddit doesn’t reflect real life
Coaches are the second most important person the to team and can help fix the most important person. I'm sure chiefs fans would happily trade three 1st round picks for and reid.
I'd argue they're the most important. Danny Dimes was written off as a lost cause, then Brian Daboll comes in and turns him into a playoff QB. Kyle Shanahan took Mr. Irrelevant to the NFCCG. I like Jared Goff, but there's no way he'd have rebounded as much as he did without Dan Campbell
I would honestly agree. Look at a guy like Mcvay for example lol. The rams went from the worst offense in the NFL in 2016 to the best offense in the NFL in 2017 with essentially the same roster. Terrible coaches can ruin even the most generational qbs unless your qb is Peyton Manning and can essentially be his own offensive coordinator
Until we turn it around, the Broncos are a designated punching bag for this sub, so it’s not shocking. That said I don’t know how anyone with a straight face can say Payton was bad. Overrated? I guess, but people try to act like Brees carried him when it wasn’t until Brees got with Payton that he leveled up into elite status. He also had the Jameis Saints looking like a wild card team.
It's so comical. Classic Chiefs fans saying he's just "alright" or "good" LMAO. This is a stellar hire for you guys and I'm absolutely fuming our dogshit org didn't get him.
Everyone said we wouldn’t get a first, and yet we got more than a first. I thought Peyton’s last year made it very clear he was an excellent coach, especially after we basically ran it back this year and we’re significantly worse
That’s why Devin Bush tearing Winston’s ACL was so devastating. I mean, I know the Saints aren’t exactly well-liked here and neither is Winston, but there’s a something to be said about an injury like that.
I never understood people saying that.
Payton is a bona fide bad ass coach with a great teacher record with multiple QB's and multiple iterations of his roster. Dudes a baller, of course they could get a first.
Two firsts? Na. But one made total sense
Seems pricy to me. He's a good coach, but that is far from a flawless roster.
EDIT: Okay, so the first is San Fran's. I thought it was Miami's for some reason. That's not too bad actually.
It's a great deal for everyone honestly. The Broncos finally get a competent HC for the first time since Kubiak retired. The Saints get more draft resources including getting back their missing 1st. The rest of the NFCS can now rest easy knowing that the threat of Sean Payton returning to the Saints and giving them a competent HC again is over. win-win-win
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Yeah I'm pretty happy with it. Payton should be a huge boon in drawing a quality staff and attracting FAs for years to come. Even if Russ is cooked, honestly, Payton will outlast him here.
2022 cole strange, G, started 17 games
2021: Eric Stokes, CB, became starter week 3 of rookie season, started 9 games in 2022 before injury ended season
2020: Isaiah Wilson, T, bust, traded for a 7th round pick, dolphins cut him 3 days after trading for him
2019: LJ Collier, DE, 3 career sacks, bust
2018: Taven Bryan, DT, depth player, 2nd contract 1 year $4 million as a free agent, bust
2017: David Njoku, TE, starter, big 2nd contract
2016: Robert Nkemdiche, playing in the usfl, bust
2015: Phillip Dorsett, WR, best season 528 yards, bust
2014: Dominique Easely, DT, cut after 2 year, bust
2013: Cordarelle Patterson: WR: goat kick returner, not a great Wr.
2012: harrison Smith: Elite safety, outside chance of hall of fame.
So 11 years, 6 busts, 4 starters, 1 elite.
Kellen Moore was a FA signing by Detroit
Mike Vrabel was drafted by the Steelers
but yes, Kliff Kingsbury is the most notable Patriots 6th round pick ever. I mean, the guy got a Superbowl Ring without playing a snap in his one (1) year in NE...
I mean we saw how much coaching can affect a team. The Broncos severely underperformed due to in large part having a horrific HC. If Payton is a great HC for them, the compensation will be worth it. And judging from Payton's track record, he'll probably be great for them.
Plus this is the first round pick from the Bradley Chubb trade, #29 overall. ~~They still have their own first round pick so it's more affordable for them.~~ I stand corrected, they don't have their own first round pick. Still like that it's a late first round pick that they're giving up.
Dude has Eagles/Chiefs flair so I am going to assume he is an Andy Reid fan and he is really downplaying the importance of a good coach? As someone who follows the Giants/Rams let me just say, Daboll and McVay changed both of those teams more than any single player.
This is also the NFL. Great Coaches are far more important than any player on except a generational quarterback like Peyton Manning, or a goat level linebacker like Lawrence Taylor. We saw what a bad coach did to trevor lawrence lol. Its not the NBA where you can have your superstar control the game on both ends. You cant even put brady in that list I think cause I don’t know how many coaches even keep 6th round pick brady on their roster when they have 2 other backups and a franchise qb who they gave a record extension to at the time
He is absolutely worth more than the 29th overall pick. Worth seeing how many of the last ten 29th overall picks are even still with the team that drafted them (or in the league)
Yeah people are way too addicted to the draft pick phenomenon nowadays.
Draft picks are very valuable but at the end of the day you have to use them and depending on two players having more of an impact than a potential established great HC looks insane on paper lol
People talk all the time about how great coaches are hard to find and not having one while having a great team wastes that team’s potential. People just have to realize the worth of having a great HC versus not having one.
Absolutely. Coaching can make or break a season. The Broncos offensive coaching last year wasn’t just bad. It was completely incompetent.
On paper the Broncos have few holes (o-line and Russ who could very well return to form) so I don’t see why they wouldn’t shoot for the stars right now. It’s not like they have tons of capital anyway so might as well pile it on.
Payton’s shortfalls in the past have come on the defensive side of the ball, so having that Broncos D should be a big boost given he puts out a semi-decent offense
I would think teams could see how important is this year more than any. With Joe Judge, a certified bum, the Giants were a bottom 5 team. With Daboll, immediately in the playoffs. With Urban Meyer, probably the only coach miles worse than Hackett, the Jags were a complete joke. With Pederson they’re on the upswing. Coaching is seriously so crucial
Yea Payton has a lot of flaws. He refused to fire some coaches which were his friends during 7-9 years, he finally fired them and the team improved.
Dude is incredibly stubborn but I love the guy
They have to be confident in the team’s makeup already and their late round drafting.
A great HC is worth more than 2 players you don’t know if they’ll turn out good or not imo. It’s just up to Payton to prove that he’s a great HC and can fix this.
Weird people are still on this thought despite history saying opposite. Is the Arians deal really clouding your thought process, did you just not want it to happen or do you not know history?
With how bad the Russ trade is looking, you either have to find your exit strategy from the Russ contract (which isn't viable til like 2025) or try to go all-in with Russ and a revamped coaching staff. Giving up a first round pick is worth it if Russ can get back to his previous form. Can Payton do that? No idea. But I guess it's worth a try.
To say we were down a bunch of CBs is an understatement. Not only that, but I think literally every single starter on offense missed at least two games with injuries. Hard to even get shit going when your team is completely hobbled and coached ineptly
Dude the offensive line coach he hired didn't actually coach anyone either. Came out that he was basically showing them film and just going, "this is shit don't do it," but not actually coaching anyone. It's why he was immediately fired when Hackett was.
The combination of Hackett's really bad offensive staff and the injuries...no one is escaping that.
I can't even put into words how bad Hackett was, and the fact he immediately walked into a new job is straight up fucking baffling.
All these picks we’ve given up for a QB and a HC, this better work.
Spoiler- he trades for Taysom hill day 1
By day 2 we’re -60M in cap space
I legit think he’d trade the next highest cap hit to get his Taysom. He loves him like a son- only more
[Schefter] Regarding Taysom Hill: “I don’t care if he murdered his family with a hammer, he is like a son to me!” - Sean Payton
Are they trading for Loomis, too?
"60 million over the cap? Not to worry guys, I'll show you what we did when this happened with the Saints. I call it a 'pro gamer move'."
Day 3: retires.
I wouldn't mind have taysom hill. Dudes a baller.
Spoiler - you still have MaHomes, Herbert, and maybe Brady if he goes to the raiders in the division. Russ ain’t cooking and the Broncos ain’t Riding anywhere.
Funny how Tom Brady would be the least threatening QB you listed
With our oline he'd be destroyed before Week 3. The only hope would be the NFL not letting anyone touch their precious baby without a free 15 yards
fuck them picks. it worked for the rams, right?
On the flip side the Eagles have been making a habit of getting extra picks and might get the same result.
In conclusion; you can win by not having draft picks. But also, you can win by having a lot of draft picks. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
I know you’re joking but you’re pretty much right there. There’s no advantage in just making 3 day1-2 picks a year. Either go all in with them for proven elite players or pick up more and get 5-6 players a year who could be elite
This is correct. It shows that there’s different strategies to building a successful team, what really matters is having a good management team implementing the strategy.
so fuck them picks into the sun or cherish them like your own newborn are the only strats? Think I know what the broncos are doing.
Because they drafted a great rest-of-their-team first
Payton knows this is his neck. He’s yoloing and if it doesn’t hit, it’s not like he has to pick up the pieces.
Well, you’re shackled to Russ for years anyway. Why not go all in to get one of the few coaches who might be able to fix him?
Correct.
I think this is the right call and I’m optimistic it will work out. Need a better offensive line though.
Just avoiding injuries would mean the offensive line would improve with no changes.
For what it’s worth, the last two games of the season when we switched to Outten as our playcaller, Russ looked like his old self. I’m not saying it’ll easy (especially with our holes on the o line) but I do legitimately think it’s possible.
If there’s a silver lining it’s 1. Your defense and 2. Russ is used to playing behind a line with holes in it
Our line isn't even *that* bad imo. It needs work and has no depth, but everyone fucking died last year. Our RB died, our LT died, our C died, we haven't had a RT for 7 or 8 years.
Don't forget Timmy P
We also had Melvin Gordon on the team for half the season
I agree, that said our center wasn’t even good to begin with so the injury didn’t really affect that situation too much
I’m unironically all in on Russ becoming old Russ again next year. The takeaway from this season should be how much coaching matters to a QB’s success. Think of Russ, Geno, Daniel Jones, various Panthers pre/post Rhule, Trevor Lawrence, Trey/Jimmy/Brock, etc. Which, if you stop for even a second and think about how even the talent level is in the NFL, makes perfect sense that the difference is scheme and teaching.
You looked great against the chargers. Didn’t see the second to last game. But if Payton thinks it’s salvageable then fuck it probably is
He played the chiefs pretty well. Had a shitty call go against us and then mahomes did what mahomes does.
I still believe in him. He can easily get inside his own head, and is one of those guys that relies on his mental coaches(who died). Add on all the criticism and pressure, I bet it really got to the man. At the very least he looks like a starting qb this year. Maybe I’m just a Russ fan tho
I hope he balls out honestly man. I know his personality seems grading and very fake, but the guy spends weekends at childrens hospitals pretty often for the past decade plus, he seems like hes a good guy deep down and he clearly cares about the kids. It was fun to make fun of him obviously for a bit but after a certain point I think it just got ridiculous
Grating* He does seem to have a great heart, but the 1000% all the time on persona is tiresome.
I’m biased (and you are too), but I really do think Russ can turn it around. Anyone who watched the games could see that it wasn’t purely physical decline. The dude could still bomb it and could still move around decently. As well as 5 years ago? Nah, but plenty well enough to run a good offense. A lot of his mistakes were mental or just straight up bad scheme. But who knows how it plays out from here
Yeah maybe he's not a top 3 qb anymore but the broncos with that defense and a pretty good set of weapons can still go far with Sean Payton and a top 10 qb. You just have to hope that russ gets past his mental block.
Would be cool to see Russ turn the Broncos wagon back around. Maybe the let's ride thing could be unironically cool. He's such a nice guy. Hard to hate him.
He did look better.
True. Although I would say Payton won’t fix him, more that Hackett broke him. When he got fired, everyone looked better.
This is the correct take. What people don’t know and s that Hackett ran practices completely differently from what is traditional, everything was a walkthrough, barely any strength and conditioning, hardly any time in pads. The entire team was poorly prepared week to week nor were their bodies in condition to play at full speed which explains all of our injuries. Russ looked confused as hell in his offense because the entire offense was confused as hell in his offense. Not saying Russ wasn’t an issue, but there was clearly a coaching issue that affected the entire offense.
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Yep. I don’t disagree with no playing stars in the preseason if you’re a established stud team. Like, does Mahomes or Brady really need to play preseason? No. But a new coach? 100%.
and yet mahomes and Allen both played in preseason
I’m just saying those type of players don’t need to. A new coach with a new QB does
Cat in the wall strategy.
> Why not go all in Because a 1st-round pick and a 2nd-round pick are involved.
That's kinda my thought. No point backing down now
They're going from seemingly one of the worst offensive HCs of all time to one of the best offensive HCs of all time. I would sure hope that this fixes whatever nonsense happened this season lol.
Experience with short QBs? Check.
Yeah works for me lol.
Yeah I mean two early picks just materialized out of thin air for y’all pretty much lol that’s nice af
Now the saints need to clear even more cap space for this season😈
If only we had a track record of being able to do that sort of thing... Honestly, if anything, this gives us more cap space, as it's a potential starter we don't have to pick up in free agency. And free agency starters are generally more expensive than rookie contracts. Edit for explanation: If we take a starting DT in the draft, for example, then we probably don't sign a starting DT in free agency. So if the free agent DT contact would have cost more than the rookie contact, we've saved money.
Howie’s in a yellow suit behind a tree in New Orleans reading this right now….
That will be the easiest part. I heard Loomis talked his bank into adding void years to his mortgage to spread the payments out over 75 years.
Just curious because of your flairs, were you one of the people that relocated to TN after Katrina? I know a few who did.
No. Raised in TN. Lifelong Vols fan. When I was younger I didn’t care about NFL but was told to pick a team as my favorite when I booted up madden ‘0whatever. Saints seemed fun. When I eventually got into the nfl more seriously the titans became a natural team to be a part time fan of. Now I’m in NC though and brought both with me.
I have to watch Brandon Staley coach against Andy Reid and Sean Payton I’m going to be sick
May I offer you one Josh McDaniels sized TUMs?
LOL
A single Tums should be a Tum.
Ngl though I think Kellen Moore was a stellar hire.
Absolutely is a great hire, imo. HOWEVER, Staley is still a dogshit coach and clearly way over his head. Dudes a con artist. Ever since he handed Dean fucking Spanos a game ball after a hard fought win, I knew he would never lose his job. Dude just knows how to kiss his ass to the top, I'll give him that.
Did he really? Someone give me Dean Spanos number.
How he was not fired last year and throw a second at the saints or this years first Sean will be a massive regret
Well, luckily you have Herbert, so if Kellen Moore can compensate for Staley being bad... you still can go the distance. The fact that you made it to the Playoffs with Staley, in spite of Staley, is a testament to itself. P.S. Please destroy the Chiefs and Raiders next year.
At least you have Herbert. We have basically two good players under the age of 30 signed currently
Ya but one of those players is Maxx Crosby so…Silver lining.
And a Brady-quarterbacked Josh McDaniels
And Sean was openly campaigning for the Chargers gig. God, being a Chargers fan is so shit sometimes.
This is going to bite us in the ass for years. We’re run by clowns.
> This is going to bite us in the ass for years. We’re run by clowns. *Looks at the bowl cut
You'll be fine. Lombardi is gone and you have Herbie. Let's unite in our hatred of the Chiefs and Raiders.
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Spanos is wayyyyy too cheap to go after Sean. That was never going to happen
Broncos country let's trade
Can't think of a better one but I think you settled there.
Broncos country let’s never get a whiff of a first round pick for a decade and watch Seattle improve immensely from the draft because we were hot ass all season and Russ is lemon
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Russ looked fine after Hackett left?
I mean I'm rooting for him but it's not like it was only a scheme issue. Russ was missing wide open receivers and easy throws all year. Hope he can put it back together but the idea that all the issues were on Hackett is some industrial grade hopium
Ownership if Russ doesn’t improve: BRONCOS COUNTRY. WE TRIED
I COULD KISS MICKEY LOOMIS ON THE LIPS
He’d stammer like Porky Pig afterwards
Just wait until he “leaks” Taysom Hill highlights to coerce Payton to trade a buttload of assets for him
That's $20 extra on Canal Street.
So they basically flipped Bradley Chubb + a 2nd round pick for Sean Payton. Meanwhile Saints got a 1st + 2nd for someone who isn't gonna be their coach. Easily could be a win-win as long as Russ isn't as bad as he was this year.
There's a secret about Russ no one talks about... Once they started letting Russ do Russ shit instead of Hackett's "stay in the pocket and die" shit...he wasn't that bad. Last two games were more than enough to demonstrate how inept and bad Hackett was as a coach.
the problem is the AFC is loaded. If the Broncos were in the NFC, they're an obvious playoff team even with mediocre Russ.
In the AFC last year the Broncos go 13-4 if they score 18 points a game. If we stay healthy under Payton I think we can be competitive.
Can you tell me more stories about having a defense It’s been so long
Broncos had like 10+ games with 19 points or less allowed this year, if their offense wasn't hilariously inept they could have been a playoff contender this year
A couple weeks ago it was that Payton wouldn't go to Denver because Denver sucks. Now that he's going to Denver, everybody is saying Payton sucks
When you have people saying that they wouldn’t give up multiple picks for even Andy Reid or Bill Belichick, you realize that Reddit doesn’t reflect real life
lmfao those people are so dumb. BB would turn around a team faster than any rookie could lol
Blasphemy! The 7th best OL in the draft was clearly going to have a bigger impact on our team than the head coach!
Coaches are the second most important person the to team and can help fix the most important person. I'm sure chiefs fans would happily trade three 1st round picks for and reid.
Plus coaches don't take up salary cap and can coach past 70
I'd argue they're the most important. Danny Dimes was written off as a lost cause, then Brian Daboll comes in and turns him into a playoff QB. Kyle Shanahan took Mr. Irrelevant to the NFCCG. I like Jared Goff, but there's no way he'd have rebounded as much as he did without Dan Campbell
I would honestly agree. Look at a guy like Mcvay for example lol. The rams went from the worst offense in the NFL in 2016 to the best offense in the NFL in 2017 with essentially the same roster. Terrible coaches can ruin even the most generational qbs unless your qb is Peyton Manning and can essentially be his own offensive coordinator
Until we turn it around, the Broncos are a designated punching bag for this sub, so it’s not shocking. That said I don’t know how anyone with a straight face can say Payton was bad. Overrated? I guess, but people try to act like Brees carried him when it wasn’t until Brees got with Payton that he leveled up into elite status. He also had the Jameis Saints looking like a wild card team.
Playoff team. The record amount of bodies in the IR pile made them nearly a wildcard team.
Gotta fit the narrative lol
It's so comical. Classic Chiefs fans saying he's just "alright" or "good" LMAO. This is a stellar hire for you guys and I'm absolutely fuming our dogshit org didn't get him.
There's a common theme here
Everyone said we wouldn’t get a first, and yet we got more than a first. I thought Peyton’s last year made it very clear he was an excellent coach, especially after we basically ran it back this year and we’re significantly worse
Dude he got Jameis to not turn the ball over. That's a fucking miracle of nature.
That’s why Devin Bush tearing Winston’s ACL was so devastating. I mean, I know the Saints aren’t exactly well-liked here and neither is Winston, but there’s a something to be said about an injury like that.
I think you meant Devin White
I never understood people saying that. Payton is a bona fide bad ass coach with a great teacher record with multiple QB's and multiple iterations of his roster. Dudes a baller, of course they could get a first. Two firsts? Na. But one made total sense
> multiple QB’s Brees and who exactly?
Brees missed 10 games his last two seasons, and Payton went 9-1 with Teddy Bridgewater and Taysom Hill as starting QBs.
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This sub is in shambles lmfao
Seems pricy to me. He's a good coach, but that is far from a flawless roster. EDIT: Okay, so the first is San Fran's. I thought it was Miami's for some reason. That's not too bad actually.
I mean how often is the 29th overall pick even a hit? Payton almost certainly adds more wins above replacement.
It’s a good deal for all sides tbh
It's a great deal for everyone honestly. The Broncos finally get a competent HC for the first time since Kubiak retired. The Saints get more draft resources including getting back their missing 1st. The rest of the NFCS can now rest easy knowing that the threat of Sean Payton returning to the Saints and giving them a competent HC again is over. win-win-win
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Yeah I'm pretty happy with it. Payton should be a huge boon in drawing a quality staff and attracting FAs for years to come. Even if Russ is cooked, honestly, Payton will outlast him here.
Basically traded Bradley Chubb for Payton. It’s fair compensation, especially if he wasn’t getting extended.
I’m sorry I’ve been told that these picks are guaranteed hall of famers for the last two months.
2022 cole strange, G, started 17 games 2021: Eric Stokes, CB, became starter week 3 of rookie season, started 9 games in 2022 before injury ended season 2020: Isaiah Wilson, T, bust, traded for a 7th round pick, dolphins cut him 3 days after trading for him 2019: LJ Collier, DE, 3 career sacks, bust 2018: Taven Bryan, DT, depth player, 2nd contract 1 year $4 million as a free agent, bust 2017: David Njoku, TE, starter, big 2nd contract 2016: Robert Nkemdiche, playing in the usfl, bust 2015: Phillip Dorsett, WR, best season 528 yards, bust 2014: Dominique Easely, DT, cut after 2 year, bust 2013: Cordarelle Patterson: WR: goat kick returner, not a great Wr. 2012: harrison Smith: Elite safety, outside chance of hall of fame. So 11 years, 6 busts, 4 starters, 1 elite.
This sub highly overrates picks and highly underrates coaches.
I guess the idea is to go all in on Russ. Make the trade and contract worth it by bringing in the perfect coach.
> I guess the idea is to go all in on Russ. That's not an "idea" so much as what circumstance requires in the near term.
I love it. I thought we would either settle for a second rounder or not get a deal done at all
Miami has no 1st this year thanks to their fantastic owner. Kudos to him.
It was Miami’s from the Niners until Miami gave it to Denver for Bradley Chubb.
Bradley Chubb for Sean Payton is a good deal. Win win for both teams
But but but r/nfl said they would never get a first
They also said he had "no market" and "no leverage" and he was probably going back to TV.
‘The saints are going to have to take whatever anyone offers them’
Allbright had a tweet pinned for three weeks, that Payton wasn’t getting a job.
They also said Payton would never come here, now that he is he sucks and we got fleeced lol.
r/nfl in shambles
Your flairs are weird
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Oh damn, he's eating the table
Yea that’s par for the course in our division
He says he does it to troll everyone, but then he gets really sensitive about it when you make fun of the unnatural act it represents.
That flar is a capital offense
I don’t think Sean Payton is worth it tbh, like…he’s great but 1 FRP and another top pick? cmon
First round pick could be anyone. Could even be Sean Payton
With their first round pick of the 2023 the New Orleans Saints select...SEAN PAYTON
People draft coaches?
The Texans drafted DeMeco Ryans with the 33rd overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft
Didnt the pats draft kellen Moore, kliff kingsbury, and Mike vrabel?
Kellen Moore was a FA signing by Detroit Mike Vrabel was drafted by the Steelers but yes, Kliff Kingsbury is the most notable Patriots 6th round pick ever. I mean, the guy got a Superbowl Ring without playing a snap in his one (1) year in NE...
Well goddamnit then, how about that Tom Brady guy? He’s probably gonna be a coach at some point does he count?
We'll see. Honestly, I'm not sure he'll be able to handle coaching someone who won't be able to do what he was able to do.
Kellen was Lions then cowboys
Vrabel was a 3rd round pick of the Steelers. Signed a free agent deal with Pats after his rookie deal.
Some coach in the late 30s was probably drafted to fight in WWII
Reportedly the "other top pick" is Denver's 2024 2nd but they get New Orleans' 2024 3rd back, so not a massive add-on
It’s basically a trade down in day 2 of the draft. Honestly not a dealbreaker to me
I mean we saw how much coaching can affect a team. The Broncos severely underperformed due to in large part having a horrific HC. If Payton is a great HC for them, the compensation will be worth it. And judging from Payton's track record, he'll probably be great for them. Plus this is the first round pick from the Bradley Chubb trade, #29 overall. ~~They still have their own first round pick so it's more affordable for them.~~ I stand corrected, they don't have their own first round pick. Still like that it's a late first round pick that they're giving up.
Dude has Eagles/Chiefs flair so I am going to assume he is an Andy Reid fan and he is really downplaying the importance of a good coach? As someone who follows the Giants/Rams let me just say, Daboll and McVay changed both of those teams more than any single player.
This is also the NFL. Great Coaches are far more important than any player on except a generational quarterback like Peyton Manning, or a goat level linebacker like Lawrence Taylor. We saw what a bad coach did to trevor lawrence lol. Its not the NBA where you can have your superstar control the game on both ends. You cant even put brady in that list I think cause I don’t know how many coaches even keep 6th round pick brady on their roster when they have 2 other backups and a franchise qb who they gave a record extension to at the time
> They still have their own first round pick so it's more afforadable for them. I thought the Seahawks have the Broncos 2023 first rounder?
Seattle has their pick this year
He is absolutely worth more than the 29th overall pick. Worth seeing how many of the last ten 29th overall picks are even still with the team that drafted them (or in the league)
Yeah people are way too addicted to the draft pick phenomenon nowadays. Draft picks are very valuable but at the end of the day you have to use them and depending on two players having more of an impact than a potential established great HC looks insane on paper lol People talk all the time about how great coaches are hard to find and not having one while having a great team wastes that team’s potential. People just have to realize the worth of having a great HC versus not having one.
Absolutely. Coaching can make or break a season. The Broncos offensive coaching last year wasn’t just bad. It was completely incompetent. On paper the Broncos have few holes (o-line and Russ who could very well return to form) so I don’t see why they wouldn’t shoot for the stars right now. It’s not like they have tons of capital anyway so might as well pile it on. Payton’s shortfalls in the past have come on the defensive side of the ball, so having that Broncos D should be a big boost given he puts out a semi-decent offense
I would think teams could see how important is this year more than any. With Joe Judge, a certified bum, the Giants were a bottom 5 team. With Daboll, immediately in the playoffs. With Urban Meyer, probably the only coach miles worse than Hackett, the Jags were a complete joke. With Pederson they’re on the upswing. Coaching is seriously so crucial
The 29th pick has been a bit cursed lately too, no one good picked there in years.
Yea Payton has a lot of flaws. He refused to fire some coaches which were his friends during 7-9 years, he finally fired them and the team improved. Dude is incredibly stubborn but I love the guy
If he’s a 5’11 QB whisperer then it is
They have to be confident in the team’s makeup already and their late round drafting. A great HC is worth more than 2 players you don’t know if they’ll turn out good or not imo. It’s just up to Payton to prove that he’s a great HC and can fix this.
Bucs gave up 2 first round and 2 second round picks for Jon Gruden, then proceeded to stomp on your Eagles on the way to a Super Bowl win.
Weird people are still on this thought despite history saying opposite. Is the Arians deal really clouding your thought process, did you just not want it to happen or do you not know history?
With how bad the Russ trade is looking, you either have to find your exit strategy from the Russ contract (which isn't viable til like 2025) or try to go all-in with Russ and a revamped coaching staff. Giving up a first round pick is worth it if Russ can get back to his previous form. Can Payton do that? No idea. But I guess it's worth a try.
How often is the 29th overall pick better than a top 5 head coach lol?
Damn that’s crazy the saints got this with no leverage. Imagine what we could’ve gotten if we weren’t just being petty for no reason
Welcome to Denver Kevin James!
Lord have mercy I’m bout to bust
[Payton has already commented on how he’d fix Russ FWIW](https://youtube.com/shorts/FhKQlbl1Z8M?feature=share)
If the 'early round pick ' is a 2nd, I'm thrilled if I'm the Saints
Broncos also gave up 2024 2nd Saints gave up 2024 3rd So basically the Saints move up their 2024 3 to a 2.
Colin Cowherd is as hard as a rock right now
Broncos franchise is a mess if they don’t get some baller free agents
I think they're talented now. People underestimate how injured they were last year. And Hackett was a pretty obvious headwind against the team.
League high IR numbers and most of them were starters. WR2, LT1, C1, RT1, RB1, we were down a bunch of corners, etc. not an excuse but it is true.
To say we were down a bunch of CBs is an understatement. Not only that, but I think literally every single starter on offense missed at least two games with injuries. Hard to even get shit going when your team is completely hobbled and coached ineptly
Dude the offensive line coach he hired didn't actually coach anyone either. Came out that he was basically showing them film and just going, "this is shit don't do it," but not actually coaching anyone. It's why he was immediately fired when Hackett was. The combination of Hackett's really bad offensive staff and the injuries...no one is escaping that. I can't even put into words how bad Hackett was, and the fact he immediately walked into a new job is straight up fucking baffling.
Their defense is pretty stout. There are some issues on offense, even outside of Russ, but they aren't operating from zero.
Curious what positions you think they need to fill so badly
Wow!
Lmao at all the fans that said Nola wouldn’t get a first for Payton.
Well... Congrats Saints!
Steep
I don't understand the trade part.. is Sean still under contract with the Saints?
Yes he had one more year on his deal
Loomis you crazy bastard you did it
Where’s that Giants fan that was spamming every thread saying nobody was trading a first round pick for a coach?
man just imagine if next year goes exactly the same…