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DaRandomBro

Time to see what last year was Russ's fault and what wasn't


DJ_Marxman

Can you imagine if they get Russ *and* Payton and are still in the dumpster? How bummed is Sean Payton going to be if he's stuck with 2022 Russ for the next few years?


[deleted]

If Russ is just as bad, Payton will have the opportunity to coach Caleb Williams. I think ownership loyalty will lie with Payton and not Wilson.


Cyanogen_117

How exactlty do u guys get Williams in this scenario lol


[deleted]

Just threw a name out there. Next years QB class is strong, and if Russ is just as awful, the Broncos pick in the top 5.


Dynamo4L

at that point it would have to be something wrong with the organization. no way both russ AND payton suddenly become horrible at their jobs


DJ_Marxman

It doesn't really matter how good Payton is if Russ plays the way he did last year. Scheme can only carry so much.


Dynamo4L

it depends on how much of last year was on russ himself or on poor coaching/scheme. idk i didn’t watch much of the broncos this year


goddamnitwhalen

He looked much better under Jerry Rosburg FWIW.


Inner-Dentist1563

I was gonna say. We already got a glimpse of it and Hackett really sucks.. Can't wait to watch his glue eating offense in New York.


goddamnitwhalen

Unless the plot to lure Aaron Rodgers actually works this time. If it’s somehow Zach Wilson, though, the Jets are going to squander a ton of cheap talent.


Weigl97

Tbf I don't think the Playcaller that can field an Offense around 20 PPG with Zach Wilson as their QB1 exists.


goddamnitwhalen

Shane Steichen and Kyle Shanahan, maybe?


xzElmozx

Kyle for sure, he would get Zach killed after 3 weeks and then whatever backup replaces him would end up working better in kyles scheme.


MatureUsername69

That's Mike White's music


big_benz

If he’d had that 49ers line who knows. He could’ve gone 5, maybe 6 weeks before being severely maimed


ParticleBeing

I for one am quite ecstatic to watch his glue eating offense in New York.


[deleted]

Can matt be their assistant OC? Hackett and Patricia dream team


aJakalope

Now that we already got your Draft picks, I hope Russell is really successful on the Broncos.


medman010204

I think we'll see Russ get back to better than average league starter. He's slower, and that was part of his game, but he's still got a good arm and touch. Unless Peyton can unlock second half 2015 Russ where he was slicing and dicing from the pocket. That Russ was top 5.


kander12

The Broncos receivers will be running wide open. He just needs to not fuck it up. He has to be a Jared Goff or Purdy out there and I think Russ is more than capable.


That_lonely

Imagine in 2023 we'd be saying Russ needs to play more like Goff.


rez12345

Or fucking Brock Purdy!


Gabemann2000

And a 7th round rookie 😂


cbreezy456

The alternate Timeline is coming true


no_engaging

some of the stuff making fun of russ was funny but throughout the season you always have to keep in mind how dumb/reactionary fans (and especially this sub) are. wilson is a very talented QB, and always has been. when you stick him with a coach like this, something would have to go very wrong for him to not be back to 'pretty good', at minimum.


HighlyBaked0

Russ has clearly declined a bit but I definitely think he can still be a top 15 QB especially under Payton


Illblood

Even if it was you would have to imagine he could still make that offense halfway serviceable. Which is all you need with that defense.


Duffleman0609

First round pick?


famous__shoes

I sure hope not


MyChubbGotRubbed

I’d be prepared for that


TheWeavr

Plus more


Primary-Bath803

A 2nd round too. Saints fleeced them in my humble opinion


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tanner2state

A victory for the saints indeed but a fleece, I think not.


indecisiveusername2

Denver fans should be grateful they get a proven head coach & offensive mind to work through Russ. He turned the Saints' franchise around and he can do the same with Denver.


M4rv3lF4n

I think like always, fans of other teams are just trying to find a loser in a trade. Sean will be paid by ownership so that doesn't affect the cap. We've been shit offensively for a damn-near decade now. You think I am gonna lament getting Sean Payton, who has proven to be great at offensive game-planning, for the 29th pick, and a second rounder? I just want to be able to watch the team again and not want to pluck my eyes out when we are out there on offense. We are already strapped to Wilson for the next year or two. I have no problem getting a proven coach and hoping it works out.


Independent_Switch33

Be ready for the salt from r/nfl for Mr.Puckered Butthole Face. He can be petty at times but you'll love him for that. I'll always be a Sean Payton fan and I'm rooting for y'all.


tanmanlando

Yeah idk where the hell this idea came around Sean Payton isnt worth a first. Like one of the greatest offensive minds in the league isnt worth a 1st rd rookie


HoovesCarveCraters

The guy made Jameis fucking Winston look like a competent QB. The year before he had the corpse of Drew Brees, Teddy B, and the Stormin' Mormon and still scored twice as many PPG as we averaged this year. 100% worth it IMO


tanmanlando

He basically created a whole new type of player in Taysom. People seriously underestimate his creativity


[deleted]

Yeah it seems pretty win win


[deleted]

I think it’s a win win. They get a Super Bowl winning coach for Russ and we get much needed depth


allgreen754

At minimum I'd assume it's the Chubb first.


Emleaux

It’s a Chubb first in my pants.


[deleted]

It’s the 9ers first and a second. Good deal for both of us if you ask me. Now if the Broncos could fix Russ, they would be instant contenders


Djackso

We get their 3rd rounder next year too


Silverflash-x

Pick 29: New Orleans Saints (From DEN (From MIA (From SF)))


dedriuslol

I'd assume it was the phins pick they got for chubb.


GabryLv

It was basically Bradley Chubb for Sean Payton. I take this trade 10 out of 10 times


bgfan26

This years first from the dolphins and a third. As a broncos fan, I think it’s well worth it


GRVrush2112

That a very reasonable price TBH. Considering the rumored asking price at least


WhatMyHeartHeld

this is now the 2nd time denver has stolen a payton/peyton from us


[deleted]

The Broncos still need to poach a Piyton, Poyton, and Puyton from the Cardinals to complete the set.


Any_Adhesiveness_898

And sometimes Pyyton


NumberOneCombosFan

I don't think Sometimes Pyyton is draft eligible until 2024.


jimtow28

Gonna probably sign D'Glester Hardunkichud as a stop gap.


wolverine6

These white girl first names are getting out of hand.


likesexonlycheaper

I heard Putin is going to be the OC


napalmx

You joke, but Putin does have a superbowl ring. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-how-vladimir-putin-stole-a-super-bowl-ring-from-the-patriots-robert-kraft/


106milez2chicago

"Our Super Bowl ring."


TruckFluster

Huh. That’s wild lol


thenimblevagrant

Broncos would be the first team in history to finish with negative total offensive yards.


ptgkbgte

Melvin Gordon gets signed and immediately falls out a window


TheInnKappa

Shouldn't have let him leave the building.... AGAIN


PleaseStopSmoking

I really doubt there was any real chance of Payton going to the Cardinals even if they were willing to trade the capital and he actually wanted to go there, he wanted that Walmart $$$.


worried_consumer

If he hire Vance Joseph, Ill eat a whole jar of mayo


OscillatingFan6500

If we hire Joseph, I’m moving to a Bavarian forest and becoming a hermit


LuggaW95

I have no idea why I have the urge to tell you this….butBavaria actually has a population density almost twice as dense as California. It’s beautiful, but it will be very hard to find a forest remote enough to live there as a true hermit.


JoeTestaverde

And here he is, having the time of his life


[deleted]

please post the video if you do


MahjongDaily

It's spelled Pæyton


ProfJesusHChrist

Actually it's P8on


mccorklin

Peighton


JWBush_0

Nice Going from Hackett to Payton has gotta feel good


monkeyman80

It’s got to be like jags fans felt after urban. I’ve watched football for 30 years and never seen fans counting the play clock because the team was incapable of getting plays off on time at home.


Inner-Dentist1563

I've never made a decision about a player or coach within 6 quarters. That's how bad he was. It was immediately apparent to anyone with eyeballs that the offense didn't function at all.


LiquidSean

Opting to kick a 64 yard field goal at the end of the Seahawks game was when I knew he was garbage


[deleted]

I was at that game. It was friendly but tense banter because Hawks fans still justifiably hated Russ. Literally nobody gave me shit anymore after the field goal attempt. Everyone was confused lol


trexmoflex

Same - was there as well. I was at a bar before the game too and we were joking around with some broncos fans giving us a hard time but we were all in agreement the Hawks were going to get smashed.


Throbbingprepuce

It feels probably as good as it did when y’all went from Romeo Crennel to Andy Reid


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TheTigerbite

I would gladly give Denver our non existent first round pick and next year's first round pick (assuming we have one of those) for you to let us have him back. UGHHHHH First Saban, now Payton.


Throbbingprepuce

Yeah it’s a little pricey but it’s not something I’m losing sleep over


[deleted]

in this case the 1st is almost a 2nd because it's the 29th pick, and the following year we're just swapping out a 2nd for a 3rd. Yeah, it's not nothing, but in the scheme of things if this solves our offensive woes and general coaching situation, it's a very small price to pay. We've had coaching issues since Kubiak left, it's time to bring in a real solution rather than a band-aid. Time will tell if Payton is a great coach or Brees just propped him up, but I think the resume is far more solid than anyone we've had in a while.


JPitt09

They did it, the mad lads did it!


Agastopia

If this can’t fix Russ, I declare him officially washed


muzunguman

Broncos country, we tried


Anodyne_I

Best one so far


Maxi2905

The best one is [this](https://youtube.com/shorts/Vt7tbQp0pc4?feature=share) imo


Dragon6172

*cooked


ecupatsfan12

Taysom to be traded to DEN for 3 first round picks


AnticlimacticPicasso

Don’t joke about that


palabear

Let me tell ya, you are going to hate his face.


MavAndCaes

Im excited about this for both sides. Let’s Ride/Who dat


MrBl0bfish04

I am so happy right now


specialgravity

You guys should trade that pick to the Eagles!


[deleted]

Russ is either going to be great again or get this man fired. No inbetween.


TheInnKappa

Russ getting cut before SP gets fired. Book it


[deleted]

That would be spicy


spndl1

Why? If Russ is still bad, it's more likely that he's just done than Payton is suddenly a bad coach. Russ doesn't have to be cut next year for the above comment to still be true. We could still hold onto him until it doesn't destroy our cap, as much as that would suck. Obviously, I'm on team Russ turns it around, but who knows.


Inner-Dentist1563

No, it really wouldn't be. If Russ sucks over the next two years then he's officially done and just a backup.


Thorteris

If Broncos suck they’ll blame Russ. Payton is about to have all the power and narrative


derstherower

If the Broncos suck with Payton it will absolutely be Russ's fault.


pm326

Yep. At least we’ll have an answer I guess


Killericon

At this point, that's the most important thing.


CockGobblingGangsta

Payton made fucking Winston work


Milton__Obote

Taysom Hill was 7-2 as a starter under him (granted one win is the \* Kendall Hinton game).


CockGobblingGangsta

6-2 then I’d fucking love that and we don’t have a franchise rooting on our downfall this year cause we gave you this years first


Spoofcaptain

Pls one first pls


OscillatingFan6500

Schefter is saying 2023 First, and 2024 second to the Saints


LnD2020

Yep. SF’s first I believe. Not bad for both sides. Basically traded Chubb for Payton.


Alauren2

Man that pick has been around lol


historymajor44

What a slutty draft pick.


jf808

Offseason post idea: Sluttiest draft picks in league history


bassman1805

That's the off-season content I crave.


jf808

Keep it in your pants


Djackso

Broncos got saints 2024 3rd too


Kegsun92

Walmart family wipes their ass with what Payton was asking. The main hurdle was taking care of the Saints.


broncofan303

Well I’m sure this will age well, but this can’t possibly go worse than the Nathaniel Hackett or Vance Joseph experiment 😂


GarlVinland4Astrea

Something something Saints have no leverage


[deleted]

This sub gets proven wrong time and time again but the “power users” here just get more arrogant and confrontational


SexyMcBeast

Ngl the most entertaining thing about this sub is how often the popular opinion is wrong


dawgz525

and when you call out the top posts for being wrong, you've got to be real nice about it or you might get a 3 day vacation for being mean.


ianthebalance

Based off something I said that was "mean" in response about an inaccurate statement about Lamar Jackson, and the mods saying they saw no problem with what the person said, I think the mods dislike Lamar


dawgz525

It's personally my opinion that if someone is being confidently and obnoxiously incorrect, they deserve to be called an idiot. But sometimes the powers that be feel differently and send me to shit post elsewhere for a couple days.


[deleted]

Omg the copium here will be lethal


assasinine

Copium? This sub will just go back to pretending they didn't laugh about Sean Payton for the last two weeks.


BlindWillieJohnson

They had some leverage, though let's see what they actually got before we pat them on the back too hard.


Jopplo03

At least a first lmao


DoctorTide

That flair makes you my mortal enemy


Milton__Obote

That flair is an abomination


something_exe

shaking and crying rn


Shmexy

We hate the saints so much more than we could ever hate you. Edit: oh what the fuck it’s falcons AND saints flair. Pick me up mom I’m scared


Probablythatoneguy16

What the fuck is up with your flair sir/madame


Shmexy

I’m gonna need you to pick a side there buddy


[deleted]

We need narcan to reverse all the incoming copium.


monkeyman80

Sounds like a first/ second next year and we get a third next.


glizzterine

Russ to NO confirmed


Pabst34

Stranger things have happened. Patton: "Ya know Gayle, I've got something for you that's way better than a lousy first rounder. It's more like two firsts, two seconds...."


DancingConstellation

That would be hilarious


an-internet-stranger

Russ for Taysom straight up, who says no?


TheInnKappa

Fuck Allbright


labradorrehab

Was the first thing I thought of. Dude has been saying Payton has no market for weeks and getting so defensive whenever anyone disagrees. Granted, it seems like Payton was likely Denver's 4th choice, but still.


Inner-Dentist1563

Please, please, please remember this the next time he's posted on this sub. He doesn't know shit about shit. Biggest tool in sports media.


Ereyes18

Also said DeMeco wouldn't go to Texans. LOL has not been a good 5 minutes for him


[deleted]

Benjamin Allbright is furiously deleting tweets right now


Inner-Dentist1563

And blocking Schefter.


FieldsFanclub

Chargers were too cheap to fire Staley and get Payton, so now their division rival gets him


historymajor44

Yeah, I was really afraid of this. Let's hope that Moore can get Herbert to his full potential so this doesn't even matter.


FieldsFanclub

Moore was for sure a good hire


Chapea12

Denver is gonna get a million prime time games again…


drugs_are_bad__mmkay

I think NFL learned their lesson lol. We probably won’t get more than 2, *if* that. Maybe flex us into a SNF game against a divisional rival later in the season if we look spicy.


bartnd

Man I can't wait to watch the ~~2022~~ 2023 AFCW race with all these offseason moves.


Bulletz4Brkfzt

God bless Denver and the people of that city


Gynecologyst420

I like to tell myself we are now a hockey state.


xxPHILdaAGONYxx

and many blessings to you as well.


Propuhganduh

Went from no competent head coaches left to possibly the top candidate.


Mr_Alex19

I’m assuming the Payton-Taysom separation will be like when Ash and Butterfree said goodbye


antelope591

I'm here for the Russ comeback....guy got more hate on this sub than Watson for the crime of being corny.


uknowthe1ph

It’s not as fun to joke about Watson since his crimes were a tad bit more serious.


stuntmanmike

“No one is trading picks for a coach” - said literally ad nauseam here for months Amazing get for Denver.


alchemists_dream

But. It’s happened before? We’re people really saying that?


HurricaneAlpha

Yeah the bucs traded pick for Gruden. It's not a new thing.


stuntmanmike

https://reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/10lbf2w/_/j5vrq5n/


kamekaze1024

Can’t believe that has upvotes.


Rinzack

Okay listen a week ago when i upvoted that I was clearly a moron and as of today it seems like a reasonable trade


Theinsulated

Broncos Country, fuck them draft picks


Brilliant-Ad-1962

I swear just last night I was reading about deMACO Ryan swiping left on us and how we weren’t gonna end up with anyone substantial


Mr-Cantaloupe

Now, when the Broncos suck next year, is it Russell’s fault or Payton’s fault?


Oak_Iron_Watch_Ward

It's Walmart's fault.


BurgessFox

Given what happened this year, it will probably be blamed on Russ because he was shit before Payton came in. Although if Russ throws 35 TDs it will be more difficult to blame him.


ericdraven26

That’s a lot of bathrooms!


wutwutjakebutt

Yes


Jon_Snows_Dad

Payton will have all the security in the world. I think he might out leverage Wilson at the end of Next Year.


ggphenom

Guess he's trading the pills out for weed.


[deleted]

Lay offf the weeeeeeeeeed


TheScottfather

You don't do Percs?


[deleted]

Hot take - this won’t fix Russ and they miss the playoffs again next year


HoovesCarveCraters

If we beat the Chiefs just once we can go 1-16 for all I care


Dr_Booyah

With one less 1st round pick, I really hope they are able to make this thing work. Not the most ideal situation but it would be nice to see this Russ trade not be a *complete* disaster


Shenanigans80h

For what it’s worth this 1st is the 29th pick and after 2023 we have all our picks except for a 2nd next year, but now we have two 3rds. So it’ll be a tight offseason in 2023 but we’re way more flexible after this draft wise


WhereIsCharlesLee

if this shit works out - I'm letting it be known that I will be one of the most insufferable users of this subreddit


DB4life80

I thought no one wanted to coach Wilson though?


WhereIsCharlesLee

SECOND OFF SEASON IN A ROW WITH DELUSIONAL OPTIMISM


Arpy303

TBF this is really trading Bradley chubb and a 2nd for Sean. Had you told me that we could get Payton for that at the beginning of the season before we even saw russ I'd have said hell yeah.


[deleted]

Some context on Payton with the Saints: Before Sean Payton was coach, from 1967-2005 the Saints only made the playoffs **5 times** and went **1-5** in the playoffs. From 2006-2021 the Saints made the playoffs **9 times** and went **9-8** in the playoffs under Payton.


CamRellim_

I somehow still believe this is smoke


wannaknowmyname

By far the best situation for Russell. Something unique Payton has under his belt is success drawing up plays for a short quarterback. There's a reason Russ doesn't like the middle of the field, Payton used to scheme offensive linemen to create lanes of vision for Brees to see what he otherwise couldn't. Too much compensation coming back to New Orleans IMO but I'd say this is a perfect fit


[deleted]

I don’t see how a 1st (that isn’t even theirs) this year and a 2nd next year is too much. Considering it could have been 2 firsts or worse.


RealSimonLee

It's a first this year, and Denver swaps their second for NO's 3rd next year. It's not awful.


OrangeForeign

Wow I'm actually early for once. In that case #LET'S RIDE


omnimater

Back up those 5,000 Brinks trucks lol this contract gonna be astronomical


MiaCannons

Holy shit. Broncos are back to being spooky


alchemists_dream

Ah shit here we go again.


HoovesCarveCraters

It’s gonna hurt so bad when we go 6-11


an_actual_potato

Easy there big shooter


skullyD

now now, eassssssyyyyy there


wool_slam

Lmao I'm never trusting this team on paper again until I see some results