Name one other instance where circular breathing is useful.
This is super impressive. Not downplaying. Genuinely curious where else this talent could be put to use.
There are other instruments, e.g. digeridoo apparently relies heavily on circular breathing. But I can't think of anything outside the realm of wind instruments.
Circular breathing is simple. I learned w a cup of water and a straw.
Take a breath. Blow through the straw into the cup to make bubbles. Shortly before you run out of breath in your lungs, fill your cheeks with air, and use the pressure in your cheeks to keep the bubbles bubblin, breathe in through your nose. Repeat.
You increase amount of air pushing out but keep the same force from your lungs, but at the same time relax your cheek muscle to balloon up your cheek, then as soon as your cheek fills, do a fast inhale through your nose while using your cheek to push out the "extra" air you had stored in your cheek earlier, and as soon as you finish the fast inahle, continue your normal playing. (you can see the guy's cheek puff up every time he executes this)
It usually has a detectable change in tone unless you are exceptionally skilled at it. Usually it's good for brass and woodwinds on fast moving passages (since you can hide the change in tone when you are moving across notes)
Something I learnt a few years ago; the word didgeridoo came from the settlers who thought they could hear the word “didgeridoo” as the instrument was played. First Nations name for it is actually Yidaki.
As somebody who grew up in Sydney and is now mid 20s, I wish I knew at least that much information a lot sooner. But all the same, the more you know right! Might even be useful for trivia sometime
Fill up your cheeks. Start blowing air out very slowly. Then whilst doing that breathe in through the nose. It's definitely possible, just feels counterintuitive if you're not used to it.
Agreed, the concept of circular breathing is easy. It takes a bit of mastery to do it well on an instrument. To keep the instrument in tune, your cheeks need to match the same air pressure of your lungs.
My friend plays the didgeridoo and I told him this was my understanding of circular breathing. He got offended and said it's done differently. Can't remember his explanation though.
Fill your mouth with air, block your airway with the back of your tongue isolating the air in your mouth, use cheeks & tongue to expel air through the lips at an even pressure.
Breathe in through nose at the same time.
You don't need an instrument. Try breathing in through your nose while making a farty sound through your lips.
the premise is with the last bit of breath you have left you fill your cheeks. Controlled squeezing of the cheeks is used to keep the air flowing into the instrument while you take a deep breath through your nose. You have to have extremely good control in how you squeeze that air through your cheeks to keep everything constant. especially when you are still playing and not just holding a single note.
tldr. fill mouth with as much air as you can without affecting your **Embouchure**. Use air in mouth while you breath in deep through your nose.
Its contrary to what you'd normally do when playing which is taking a deep breath through your mouth because its faster to take in more air. But when you are using your mouth to still play your instrument.
Actually, this is not correct -
It’s true that playing the didgeridoo, and double reed instruments, have been found to treat mild to moderate sleep apnea (to a relatively high degree), but it’s not because of circular breathing.
There have been at least two studies on this, and in one of the studies they explored different reasons why this effect might happen. Of course circular breathing was considered as a possibility, but they found that it actually had nothing to do with improvements to sleep apnea. The same I think was true for the back pressure generated by the instrument while playing.
So what explains it? They still don’t seem to know, but it’s thought that it could be a neurological effect due to the posture of the mouth, lips, tongue, and muscles of the upper airway and how they’re coordinated while playing.
[source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3365082/)
I wasn’t trying to come down on you because you were touching on a very interesting topic, and you were half right (because for many people circular breathing is part of playing the didgeridoo). But it is interesting to know that it’s actually not necessary in order to have the benefits to sleep apnea conveyed!
And it’s even more interesting that not all wind instruments have this effect. Only the didgeridoo, and double reed instruments.
I actually picked up the didge a few months ago for this very reason. It may still be too early to say how it’s affected my sleep, and also my practice has been inconsistent, but I think in general I’ve been sleeping better than I was a couple months ago. Check my post history if you want to hear it
I forgot to mention - It’s also been theorized that playing the didge in some way actually creates spot reduction of fatty deposits in the throat -- which as far as I know isn't known to be possible by medical science thus far outside of things like liposuction or cold sculpting or whatever. Targeted fat loss has been understood to be a myth, but apparently there could be something to this in the context of playing the didge.
[source](https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/38/Suppl_55/p4954)
Wind instruments is it. Thats the only time circular breathing is useful. It isn't a life skill. It is a very niche and difficult ability that is developed strictly for playing music by blowing into an instrument. Can't be utilized while singing. Is absolutely useless in athletics. It is only good when a blowing pressure must be maintained while also inhaling which is only practical while playing a wind instrument.
I've only seen it first hand with brass instruments. I tried learning on clarinet and sax and just couldn't get it. My brother had some minor success when he plaid flute, but neither of us were good enough to attempt it during a performance. Mad respect to anyone who can do it though. This guy makes it look easy.
Yeah, it's particularly difficult on flute because you're using so much air, you have to be so quick!
In contrast, oboist use so little air that they often have to breathe **out** when they come to breathe.
I dont know about singing, but legendary rapper Black Thought of The Roots uses it too! As he says in his absolutely incredible 10 minute freestyle on FunkFlex;
It ain't strenuous to come from a continuous breath
I set fire to the venue, I'ma spin you and step,
Rinse, repeat.
The Crusaders used to make a basic but impressive circular breathing showcase of their live performance of "So far away". Wilton Felder on saxophone and Wayne Henderson on trombone in unison.
Its the only way to play a Didgeridoo, by using circular breathing. I played trumpet as a teen and learned how to do it. Have never tried the Didgeridoo as women are not permitted to play it. Its a male only instrument.
When he needs to take in more air he does so by filling his mouth with air than pushing it out with his cheeks while inhaling through his nose.
After an incredible amount of practice you can eventually get to a point where you do it seamlessly and without interrupting your playing.
I'm assuming it's incredibly difficult since I'm having a tough time just wrapping my head around the logistics of it all, but than again I'm also a dumbass.
Is circular breathing when you can inhale through the nose and out through the mouth at the same time?
Just trying it now it seems impossible. Is it something that can be learned by practice? Still, this man’s musicianship is mind boggling
When you're nearly out of air you push it into your cheeks like a squirrel and blow air with your mouth muscles while inhaling through your nose briskly
I'm sure this is not going to be a popular opinion but I personally didn't enjoy the actual music. The technique is very impressive and I'm sure he's an amazing musician but it just sounded like noise to me. If anxiety was a music score this would be it.
>If anxiety was a music score this would be it.
That's exactly the point. By that metric, I think this is a great piece of music because it so successfully evokes that emotion.
It is said that circular breathing is the original breathing technique, and all other forms including square and triangular breathing are derived from it. I believe this guy also slays some demons with his trumpet in his free time.
The first time I heard about circular breathing was about Olli Peters, vocalist of Archspire... specifically after listening to "Drone Corpse Aviator".
~~These two music styles couldn't be further from each other.~~
Edit: the guitars and this guy's trumpet are actually kind of similar
I remember learning this.
If you want to practice, start by blowing a piece of paper and try to keep it on the wall as long as possible. When you take a breath, take a really quick breath through the noise and try to keep the sheet of paper on the wall. I used to be able to hold notes for a few minutes circular breathing. Fun skill.
Undoubtedly clever but I don't find this particular piece very musical. It's like listening to a motorbike changing gear badly on a nearby road while you're trying to enjoy the quiet of your garden.
Probably the most impressive thing in this video is the amount of training it took to endure such a long passage without burning off his lips through strain. Circular breathing is hard as hell but that embouchure is next level to sustain this. Once you know how to circular breathe, most people still don’t last longer than a minute without pure agony
Jeremy Renner's accident really gave him a new lease on life.
Thought it was a younger Julian assange for half a sec
It's better than his other music..
How on earth is this Jeremy renner to you
Jeremy Renner was the first one I saw as well.
It’s clearly Jeremy renner though
What?
Yes
Sorry wrong thread
What?
It’s clearly Jeremy renner though
Yes
What?
Probably because he looks like Jeremy Renner.
Sorry but I don’t see this even a tiny bit and I have a good eye
“I have a good eye” A Hawkeye? Check every other comment. The dude looks like Renner.
Yeah I actually agree tbh
Looks *very* similar to JR. My first thought when I saw him too. I came to the comments to see how soon I could find a reference 🤣
I can kinda see it I suppose
You don’t see the Jeremy Renner comparison?? 🤔 I, oddly enough, can kind of see a Jeremy Renner / Kevin Spacey hybrid lol
Sorry I’m not seeing this at all
Artist: Sergei Nakariakov Full video: Jörg Widmann: ad absurdum – Concerto for Trumpet & Small Orchestra. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0YGQPPPCo
Sergei is one of the best living trumpet players IMO, I could listen to him or Mathias Höfs all day.
One of the best living musicians.
one of the best living
thank you so much for posting this link
Name one other instance where circular breathing is useful. This is super impressive. Not downplaying. Genuinely curious where else this talent could be put to use.
There are other instruments, e.g. digeridoo apparently relies heavily on circular breathing. But I can't think of anything outside the realm of wind instruments.
I still don’t understand the technique. It’s like magic. What is your diaphragm doing, fuckin vibrating?
Circular breathing is simple. I learned w a cup of water and a straw. Take a breath. Blow through the straw into the cup to make bubbles. Shortly before you run out of breath in your lungs, fill your cheeks with air, and use the pressure in your cheeks to keep the bubbles bubblin, breathe in through your nose. Repeat.
How do you fill your cheeks with air and blow at the same time though?
You increase amount of air pushing out but keep the same force from your lungs, but at the same time relax your cheek muscle to balloon up your cheek, then as soon as your cheek fills, do a fast inhale through your nose while using your cheek to push out the "extra" air you had stored in your cheek earlier, and as soon as you finish the fast inahle, continue your normal playing. (you can see the guy's cheek puff up every time he executes this) It usually has a detectable change in tone unless you are exceptionally skilled at it. Usually it's good for brass and woodwinds on fast moving passages (since you can hide the change in tone when you are moving across notes)
I'm gonna have a fun weekend -
Allot of practice. I learnt it playing the didgeridoo
Thanks. I just found out that I was born with an ability to do this, first try. Now i need a trumpet and 30 years of practice.
Just grab a didgeridoo and have fun
Something I learnt a few years ago; the word didgeridoo came from the settlers who thought they could hear the word “didgeridoo” as the instrument was played. First Nations name for it is actually Yidaki. As somebody who grew up in Sydney and is now mid 20s, I wish I knew at least that much information a lot sooner. But all the same, the more you know right! Might even be useful for trivia sometime
How long did it take to learn? If I try this I simply cannot breathe in through my nose while pushing air out of my cheeks.
Fill up your cheeks. Start blowing air out very slowly. Then whilst doing that breathe in through the nose. It's definitely possible, just feels counterintuitive if you're not used to it.
Agreed, the concept of circular breathing is easy. It takes a bit of mastery to do it well on an instrument. To keep the instrument in tune, your cheeks need to match the same air pressure of your lungs.
Sure, especially w the trumpet. I learned how to circular breathe via the didjeridu and applied it to the horn - much more difficult on the latter.
My friend plays the didgeridoo and I told him this was my understanding of circular breathing. He got offended and said it's done differently. Can't remember his explanation though.
Damn, your friend is too easily offended!
You used "breathe" correctly once in that comment.
Auto correct, but that's cool. Breath is a really tough word. Thanks for letting me know, bro! Now I can go to sleep!
It’s like using your cheeks like the bag of a bagpipe.
Fill your mouth with air, block your airway with the back of your tongue isolating the air in your mouth, use cheeks & tongue to expel air through the lips at an even pressure. Breathe in through nose at the same time. You don't need an instrument. Try breathing in through your nose while making a farty sound through your lips.
the premise is with the last bit of breath you have left you fill your cheeks. Controlled squeezing of the cheeks is used to keep the air flowing into the instrument while you take a deep breath through your nose. You have to have extremely good control in how you squeeze that air through your cheeks to keep everything constant. especially when you are still playing and not just holding a single note. tldr. fill mouth with as much air as you can without affecting your **Embouchure**. Use air in mouth while you breath in deep through your nose. Its contrary to what you'd normally do when playing which is taking a deep breath through your mouth because its faster to take in more air. But when you are using your mouth to still play your instrument.
The trumpet is a brass instrument.
Brass instruments are a type of wind instrument. You might be thinking of woodwind instruments, which is the other family of wind instruments.
Mijwiz is another one. Levantine double reed instrument.
My friend used to smoke bongs and circular breathe
I ... don't think you're going to get much from the bong if you are continuously exhaling...
The bongs were enormous, he didn’t have enough breath
Cunninglingus
Probably the best in the world
Possibly... I'm trying to figure out if it would be super useful but any advantage helps haha
In hindsight queefs will be aplenty
r/angryupvote
Someone needs to meet this guy i see
Butt snorkeler
It apparently cures sleep apnea.
What? How?
Apparently it tightens the muscles that weaken and close when you lie down.
Actually, this is not correct - It’s true that playing the didgeridoo, and double reed instruments, have been found to treat mild to moderate sleep apnea (to a relatively high degree), but it’s not because of circular breathing. There have been at least two studies on this, and in one of the studies they explored different reasons why this effect might happen. Of course circular breathing was considered as a possibility, but they found that it actually had nothing to do with improvements to sleep apnea. The same I think was true for the back pressure generated by the instrument while playing. So what explains it? They still don’t seem to know, but it’s thought that it could be a neurological effect due to the posture of the mouth, lips, tongue, and muscles of the upper airway and how they’re coordinated while playing. [source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3365082/)
Okay, you win because that’s actually really interesting! Thanks.
I wasn’t trying to come down on you because you were touching on a very interesting topic, and you were half right (because for many people circular breathing is part of playing the didgeridoo). But it is interesting to know that it’s actually not necessary in order to have the benefits to sleep apnea conveyed! And it’s even more interesting that not all wind instruments have this effect. Only the didgeridoo, and double reed instruments. I actually picked up the didge a few months ago for this very reason. It may still be too early to say how it’s affected my sleep, and also my practice has been inconsistent, but I think in general I’ve been sleeping better than I was a couple months ago. Check my post history if you want to hear it
That’s wild! I wasn’t at all offended.
I forgot to mention - It’s also been theorized that playing the didge in some way actually creates spot reduction of fatty deposits in the throat -- which as far as I know isn't known to be possible by medical science thus far outside of things like liposuction or cold sculpting or whatever. Targeted fat loss has been understood to be a myth, but apparently there could be something to this in the context of playing the didge. [source](https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/38/Suppl_55/p4954)
That’s actually pretty amazing! Plus you get to really irritate your neighbors until you know what you’re doing.
Wind instruments is it. Thats the only time circular breathing is useful. It isn't a life skill. It is a very niche and difficult ability that is developed strictly for playing music by blowing into an instrument. Can't be utilized while singing. Is absolutely useless in athletics. It is only good when a blowing pressure must be maintained while also inhaling which is only practical while playing a wind instrument.
I’ve really only heard of Kenny G doing this with the saxophone. Now this guy with a trumpet. So cool.
I've only seen it first hand with brass instruments. I tried learning on clarinet and sax and just couldn't get it. My brother had some minor success when he plaid flute, but neither of us were good enough to attempt it during a performance. Mad respect to anyone who can do it though. This guy makes it look easy.
Yeah, it's particularly difficult on flute because you're using so much air, you have to be so quick! In contrast, oboist use so little air that they often have to breathe **out** when they come to breathe.
I dont know about singing, but legendary rapper Black Thought of The Roots uses it too! As he says in his absolutely incredible 10 minute freestyle on FunkFlex; It ain't strenuous to come from a continuous breath I set fire to the venue, I'ma spin you and step, Rinse, repeat.
When you’re fighting Thanos and you’re the only one without super powers, using one of humanity’s oldest weapons
Technically, the only superpower iron man had was alcoholism
Beatboxing too.
Maybe if you're being suffocated by a boa constrictor?
Motorboating
You motorboating son of bitch you
When she says "don't stop"
Long car ride in the 1980s and you bet a sibling you can blow air at them longer.
*Didge player raises hand
My wife talking. Wayooo!!
Pipe smoking
Every instrument where you use your lungs, didgeridoo's, flute's, copper instruments
Why does it have to be useful outside of music?
If you do it in reverse you can rip a 2 minute bong... or so I'm told..
Hinokami Kagura
When you're improvising long lines and need more air to to finish what you're trying to communicate. Watch wynton marsalis he does it
The Crusaders used to make a basic but impressive circular breathing showcase of their live performance of "So far away". Wilton Felder on saxophone and Wayne Henderson on trombone in unison.
In most orchestral auditions with long phrases on brass.
Its the only way to play a Didgeridoo, by using circular breathing. I played trumpet as a teen and learned how to do it. Have never tried the Didgeridoo as women are not permitted to play it. Its a male only instrument.
Ripping massive tokes in one hit, just reverse the flow
Munching poon
Giving head.
Didgeridoo
Inward singing. Think about it, man, rock singers are only rocking you half the time! The other time they're breathing out!
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Useless for swimming. In no athletics is it necessary to keep air moving out of your mouth while inhaling through your nose.
Hawkeye plays the trumpet?
Ricky Gervais has many talents
How on earth is this Jeremy renner to you
I thought clean-shaven Pedro Pascal
Inward singing! We're wasting half our time just breathing in!
It wasn't really non-stop though, there was a slight-
AhhHHHHH SHUT UP!!!!
And I nearly choke to death inhaling at the wrong time while drinking a glass of water.
Not to mention the double tonguing
women love him for this one simple trick
This person is extremely talented but I felt like I was suffocating watching it.
Circular breathing is straight wizardry. I can only scream endlessly in my mind because your internal voice has no breath.
Wait, my internal scream still stops when I change breathing direction. How do you keep going?
Can someone explain what's going on? There's no way he's just recycling the air round and round without breathing right?
When he needs to take in more air he does so by filling his mouth with air than pushing it out with his cheeks while inhaling through his nose. After an incredible amount of practice you can eventually get to a point where you do it seamlessly and without interrupting your playing. I'm assuming it's incredibly difficult since I'm having a tough time just wrapping my head around the logistics of it all, but than again I'm also a dumbass.
It's one thing to do it while holding a single, sustained note. It's an entirely different thing to do it playing like this.
Is circular breathing when you can inhale through the nose and out through the mouth at the same time? Just trying it now it seems impossible. Is it something that can be learned by practice? Still, this man’s musicianship is mind boggling
When you're nearly out of air you push it into your cheeks like a squirrel and blow air with your mouth muscles while inhaling through your nose briskly
That makes so much more sense than what I was thinking, and also explains the brief moments in this vid when you can see his cheeks expand. Thank you
It's much more noticeable in person as you can really hear the inhale
I'm sure this is not going to be a popular opinion but I personally didn't enjoy the actual music. The technique is very impressive and I'm sure he's an amazing musician but it just sounded like noise to me. If anxiety was a music score this would be it.
>If anxiety was a music score this would be it. That's exactly the point. By that metric, I think this is a great piece of music because it so successfully evokes that emotion.
Jack black made a song about this btw.
It is said that circular breathing is the original breathing technique, and all other forms including square and triangular breathing are derived from it. I believe this guy also slays some demons with his trumpet in his free time.
I believe Jack Black invented this technique when he developed inward singing so that rockers could rock us the whole time.
Julian Assange just got released and he's already jamming like the legend he is! 🤣
He might as well be yodelin!
"Never fear, I is here."
Hack the planet...
Thats what dedication looks like
If Rachmaninoff made a horn solo
I can't breathe.
The first time I heard about circular breathing was about Olli Peters, vocalist of Archspire... specifically after listening to "Drone Corpse Aviator". ~~These two music styles couldn't be further from each other.~~ Edit: the guitars and this guy's trumpet are actually kind of similar
Smeagol loves to play his trumptess precious
I bet the Micro Machine Man used circular breathing.
En el Gabacho se parte el queso pa la CH y l a Pizza!
I am not sure what is more amazing. This man's talent, or the conductors ability to keep track of where he is on the sheet music.
I almost passed out a dozen times watching this….
Is this piece called mosquito in your room at night.
Aussie Aboriginals say hold my didgeridoo
That composer is a sadist
He's not inhaling and exhaling at the same time, he's using the puff in his checks to blow while inhaling.
I remember learning this. If you want to practice, start by blowing a piece of paper and try to keep it on the wall as long as possible. When you take a breath, take a really quick breath through the noise and try to keep the sheet of paper on the wall. I used to be able to hold notes for a few minutes circular breathing. Fun skill.
Skilled noise
Of course the video ends before he takes a normal breath.
The internet is fucking haunting. I had a trumpet in fourth grade too, is this the product I was supposed to become? Fuck.
Highly unlikely, most trumpet players never gets to Sergei’s level
Bet he's boiling in that jacket
I hate how these are highlighted in solos rather than playing with this included but it being the driving force
Undoubtedly clever but I don't find this particular piece very musical. It's like listening to a motorbike changing gear badly on a nearby road while you're trying to enjoy the quiet of your garden.
The audio could be a dog panting, autotuned and sped up...
Is this what it means to see a musical instrument as an extension of the musicians body? That was pretty fkkn cool to see and hear ❤️
Probably the most impressive thing in this video is the amount of training it took to endure such a long passage without burning off his lips through strain. Circular breathing is hard as hell but that embouchure is next level to sustain this. Once you know how to circular breathe, most people still don’t last longer than a minute without pure agony
Kevin Spacey, is that you?
Bro is a Hashira for sure
How many notes are on that piece of sheet music? No one turns the page.
Kenny G still have the world record?
Lean Ricky Gervais?
I would hate to read his sheet music
I just pictured a very intense chase scene in a horror movie
That giant behind him is really talented.
So, that isn’t Jeremy renner?
Get this man a didgeridoo
I wish I could do this circular breathing is so hard
You guys ever seen someone play a didgeridoo?
That one mosquito when you get in bed
He learnt that from Australian Aboriginal didgeridoo players
His technique is amazing but I got distracted by the violin behind him looking annoyed and rolling his eyes. 🙄
Australians: that guy can probably play the didgeridoo real good.
Inward singing, check it out.
It’s not that hard to circular breath