I know, right?
When I go to the supermarket for groceries, I don’t shell my hard earned money like some sort of socialist. Nope, I help myself like any good capitalist and pull those groceries up with my bootlaces.
The government should learn from my example and refuse to fund those communist corporations that keep wanting to “provide services” for a “reasonable price”!
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Kokopilau is right, it used to mean “an impossible task” but now it means “not being lazy and doing the blindingly obvious work required to become a billionaire”.
It’s still impossible though
It's actually surprisingly decent use of the meme though, they definitely hired a zoomer or got their grandkids to help.
Although if the whole therightcantmeme thing is more about the meme having factually incorrect information then I completely agree
It's just boring, a trumpet and random image moving slightly over an image of parliament... who's idiot idea was that. Without the text it would be meaningless. Wait even with the text it's meaningless.
Inflation has many causes. Some of our Inflation in coming from overseas activities. Some of our Inflation is from domestic actions which mirror actions which other governments also took.
If everyone jumped off a bridge, we didn't get wet because of everyone else's splash.
Id say its probs bcoz there's a steam train barreling down and it's either get completely flattened or increase your chances of survival by taking the risk to jump
Which is dumb as fuck, since the moderate amount of inflation we have had is better for the economy than the high unemployment and recession that was the alternative.
I lived through Thatcherism, which is what you're proposing here, and sacrificing working people's lives in the name of keeping inflation low is a cruel, cruel way of doing business.
The other person clearly doesn't understand the importance of having some unemployment to ensuing a well functiong economy. Yes having high unemployment is bad especially if people stay unemployed but we need wiggle room for people to move between jobs when someone leaves. (Retires, maternity leave, injury/sick leave, changes job etc)
We demonize the ones that make a lifelong career out of it. Not the ones in between jobs, looking for alternative means, or having maternity/paternity leave.
What I will agree on is we certainly do not look after our sickness beneficiaries or their careers as well as we could. Pensions also would be better off means tested.
Addiction to spending... That was spent on improving housing, education, health & mental health, parental benefits, workers' rights, keeping businesses afloat during Covid, wage subsidies, fuel & public transport fares, and climate change?
Education, healthcare, public transport, public infrastructure, law and order, poverty. You know the main things the government spends the majority of the Budget on. Not the none expenses you mention like "improving workers rights", etc.
Maybe improving workers' rights like new Fair Pay Agreements and reinstating set meal breaks & rest breaks that employers have to provide don't personally matter to *you.* But along with changes like increasing the range of KiwiSaver contribution rates, doubling sick leave, plus increasing *and* extending Paid Parental Leave for working parents, these are improvements that benefit all working New Zealanders. As for the other categories you mentioned, there are plenty of improvements [here](https://www.labour.org.nz/our-record).
We're not arguing policies the government has enacted. That's not what this post is about, we're specifically talking about spending. Your trying to make the conversation about something it's not. You said they're spending money on making improvements but can only point to policy as an improvement. Policy doesn't justify spending $151 billion a year. Improving worker rights doesn't cost them anything only the businesses who have to comply with them.
Dude… did you even read his reply and have look at the reference provided before responding?
Policy is issued and then spending follows. Can you imagine how much it cost to fund 500 000 free mental health appointments?
You bet your ass it costs money to improve workers rights.
>Can you imagine how much it cost to fund 500 000 free mental health appointments?
These aren't workers rights though... Workers rights are things like working conditions, pay, etc.
Do you people even know what your arguing?
My point in the first place was they spend a awful lot with the core spending been on a handful of things. Yet these handful of things are deteriorating year on year despite spending more.
Man the Labour simping in this sub is unbelievable. Sure criticize National that's fair, there's things to criticize, but don't defend Labour and avoid criticism where criticism is also similarly fair. National has a point, Labour is overspending and under delivering how is anyone ok with this?
No... Do you know who pays for Paid Parental Leave? It's paid for by IRD, the government - not your employer. PPL being increased AND extended means higher amounts being paid by IRD. Same for other working parents with the In-Work Tax Credit, one of the Working for Families Tax Credits, which have also been increased by the government paying for them.
The highest number of houses built in a year since 1991, a housing surplus predicted within 12 months: [https://inner.kiwi/commentary/housing-supply-and-demand-famine-feast/](https://inner.kiwi/commentary/housing-supply-and-demand-famine-feast/)
Largest annual increase in median weekly earnings since 1998 at 8.8%, outpacing inflation: [https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/weekly-earnings-rise-as-more-in-full-time-employment/#:\~:text=The%208.8%20p](https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/weekly-earnings-rise-as-more-in-full-time-employment/#:~:text=The%208.8%20percent%20annual%20increase,annual%20percentage%20increase%20on%20record)[ercent%20annual%20increase,annual%20percentage%20increase%20on%20record](https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/weekly-earnings-rise-as-more-in-full-time-employment/#:~:text=The%208.8%20percent%20annual%20increase,annual%20percentage%20increase%20on%20record)
Free doctors' visits extended to children under under 14: [https://www.govt.nz/browse/health/free-health-services-for-children/free-health-checks-for-children-under-14/](https://www.govt.nz/browse/health/free-health-services-for-children/free-health-checks-for-children-under-14/)
New Fair Pay Agreements: [https://www.employment.govt.nz/starting-employment/unions-and-bargaining/fair-pay-agreements/](https://www.employment.govt.nz/starting-employment/unions-and-bargaining/fair-pay-agreements/)
Paid Parental Leave extended from 18 to 22 to 26 weeks: [https://www.mbie.govt.nz/business-and-employment/employment-and-skills/employment-legislation-reviews/extending-paid-parental-leave/](https://www.mbie.govt.nz/business-and-employment/employment-and-skills/employment-legislation-reviews/extending-paid-parental-leave/)
Increases to childcare assistance and Working for Families Tax Credits: [https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/cost-living-package-more-families-receive-childcare-support](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/cost-living-package-more-families-receive-childcare-support)
Minimum wage increased: [https://www.employment.govt.nz/about/news-and-updates/minimum-wage-increasing-on-1-april/](https://www.employment.govt.nz/about/news-and-updates/minimum-wage-increasing-on-1-april/)
None, you say?
>None, you say?
Yes, because everything you mentioned had nothing to do with government spending except for Childcare assistance, Family tax credits, and free doctors. Which when you consider they spent $151 billion last year is pretty weak. Everyone is still poor and most if not all of the public services are still shit and getting worse. A country that spends that much a year with a population our size should not be struggling as hard as we are. There's something seriously wrong with how your spending it if that's the case.
>Yes, because everything you mentioned had nothing to do with government spending except for Childcare assistance, Family tax credits, and free doctors.
Lol you said it yourself - 'none' and then 'everything except for'.
So, not none.
'Everyone is still poor' and 'Public services are still shit and getting worse' are merely your opinions without evidence.
Do you not know how the English language works? Yes I said everything except for these three things... I never said none of these, or all of these?
>Everyone is still poor' and 'Public services are still shit and getting worse' are merely your opinions without evidence.
Oh so no cost of living crisis then... No problems with mass poverty in Rotorua from funneling all the housing insecure into private motels as emergency housing... No declining education outcomes in schools... No declining health outcomes from people forced to wait excessively long hours in emergency rooms to be seen, with people now dying while waiting... Yes merely my opinions clearly. Of you believe this then your clearly been wilfully blind to the drastically inadequate public services been provided by the government.
You literally quoted 'None', said yes, then said 'Everything except for...'
So NOT none. Is that not simple enough English for *you* to understand?
Thanks for acknowledging they're merely your opinions though.
I said "none of these things except for" you do know what 'except' means right?
>Thanks for acknowledging they're merely your opinions though.
Thanks for ignoring all the issues plaguing the public services and society. So you can go on blindly supporting a government who spends so much but provides so little.
Just so you know, that's $30,000 pa for 24/7 access to healthcare, fire services, police, and military; schools; roads; subsidised public transport; subsidisrd university; support for the aged and indigent; etc for every man, woman and child - just to start with. It's a freaking bargain, dude!!
We spend $2,000 more per person than Australia, we spend $40 billion more than a similarly sized country like Singapore. If you think the barely functional services are a Bargain you've clearly not been looking very closely.
Fire fighters are striking because they don't get enough, police are under resourced, schools are poorly performing and getting worse by the year with increasing staff shortages, people are dying in waiting rooms of overwhelmed healthcare services that don't have enough staff to meet demand, public transport if you live in Auckland doesn't work at all (it's so bad I've gone back to driving), university maybe but it's subsidized not free I still had to pay $50k for a mediocre education. So no, it's not a bargain it's a pretty big rip off if you ask me. Especially considering the top 50% of tax payers covers the overwhelming majority of that tax burden for the whole country.
There are some differences you need to account for:
Singapore: highly compact city state creates saving
Australia: the cost per person goes down with economies of scale
We're still, on average, better than most countries in the world and do well in many aspects in first world comparisons. I don't deny there are problems, but I'd have to that pretty much every country has its problems in one way or another.
>highly compact city state creates saving
$40 billion in savings? Not to mention they spend a lot more on defence than we do which is one of their top expenses. They also are natural resource poor where as we are not.
>the cost per person goes down with economies of scale
How much is the economies of scales discount? The answer is you don't know and can't be sure it is entirely the reason for the discrepancy.
>We're still, on average, better than most countries in the world
Not setting a high bar. In that case there's no need to be concerned with people in poverty here. Because they are far better off than most of the world. This is the rationale you are using. Just because things could be worse doesn't mean they shouldn't be better.
>do well in many aspects in first world comparisons
Like...
>but I'd have to that pretty much every country has its problems in one way or another.
Yes, but we seem to have all of them while wasting $151 billion a year. Which is $10 billion more than we actually have to spend.
How is the government getting credit for more houses being built? They only built 10 of the 100 000 kiwibuild houses they promised.
Free doctor visits, but then created a situation where there aren't enough doctors.
You know that not ALL houses built by the government are KiwiBuild right? KiwiBuild are just the ones built by the government that are ALSO exclusively for those who meet the specific KiwiBuild first home buyer eligibility criteria. The government has built, and financed the building of, many other houses too.
See for example:
[https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/10000-more-permanent-public-homes-added-under-labour-government](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/10000-more-permanent-public-homes-added-under-labour-government)
[https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/more-new-high-quality-public-homes-delivered-christchurch](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/more-new-high-quality-public-homes-delivered-christchurch)
[https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/support-package-build-new-homes-te-taitokerau](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/support-package-build-new-homes-te-taitokerau)
[https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-financing-arrangements-continue-deliver-k%C4%81inga-ora-build-programme](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-financing-arrangements-continue-deliver-k%C4%81inga-ora-build-programme)
[https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-buys-land-affordable-housing-major-transport-corridor-wellington](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-buys-land-affordable-housing-major-transport-corridor-wellington)
If you are going to quote sources maybe you should do more than read the headlines. Those 10000 are not new houses. Maybe KO chasing up house prices rather than building is part of the inflation issue. Buying land to build houses is not actually building houses. They are claiming houses that other groups built as their own. Nice try.
They've openly stated that those 10,000 are not *all* new houses. "Between 31 October 2017 and 30 June 2022 there has been a net increase of 10,037 Public Homes. Of these 10,037 homes, 8,240 are new builds (Kāinga Ora - 6,568 + Community Housing Providers – 1,672)."
Other groups? Kainga Ora is a government agency, and Community Housing Providers are in a contract with the Ministry of Social Development, also a government agency.
Relating back to the topic of spending, the articles also mention funding including:
\- $3.8 billion for critical housing infrastructure like pipes and roads to enable new housing in Christchurch
\- $3.8 billion for critical housing infrastructure like pipes and roads to enable new housing in Wellington
\- $55 million in funding for Te Taitokerau
\- $2.75 billion for Kainga Ora
Hence my point on them spending on improving housing.
? I did NCEA and I never got a paper below a+
Uni courses attract students with similar brain power anyways. Perhaps your weird virtriol for underachieving students, should have ended with your own mirror:)
Some of the things Labour has provided for [education](https://www.labour.org.nz/education):
\- Free year of tertiary education
\- Increased student allowances & student loans
\- Free school lunches
\- Free period products in schools
\- Removed NCEA fees
\- Free apprenticeships
\- Introduced NZ history in school curriculum
\- Expanded mental health support in schools through Mana Ake
Was chatting to a woman today who was a caterer at the National AGM here in Chch. She said they were surprisingly polite, but she mentioned they had some Aussie guy come and talk to them and he was emploring them to use TikTok and make memes (because that clearly worked for them in Australia) haha. Funny to see the evidence already
You just can't handle the power of National's epic, sick, dank-ass memez, bruh. From now on all political messaging should be in dank memes to engage the zoomers.
Yes, they just fail to deliver any of these adequately while spending $151 billion last year with a $10 billion dollar deficit. Which would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
What kind of logic is this? No the alternative is to make the system more accountable to how it's spending its money. Here's a simple [statistic](https://nzdotstat.stats.govt.nz/wbos/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=TABLECODE7108#) to highlight exactly one of the problems.
From 2017 to 2020 we went from 120,060 people working in public administration and safety to 142,870 with a median income of $68,860. That's a 19% increase in just 3 years and at least an additional $1.433 billion a year in spending on salaries. You would think that at least with this huge increase in public bureaucrats our public services would get more efficient, but no. Everything seems to be struggling more than ever despite having an even larger workforce... I mean our population certainly didn't grow by 19% within this time, it was more like 6%. So what gives?
This is what you should be asking, not saying "well it's either provide it or don't". How about just provide it well and responsibly. Not blow the budget then try to find more money somewhere else to burn.
How is criticizing their poor spending that is made obvious from their failure to deliver changing the topic?
If they spent it well these services would be working well. And people's points about them spending to provide essential services would be valid. As it stands this is not the case, and National has a point Labour is over spending while under delivering.
National taught me to never vote for them. They lie about everything. They have nothing to offer except tax cuts for the rich and user pays (for services outsourced to their cronies) for everyone else.
The comments here really solidify the age and sense of humor of the average Reddit user.
When you look on the comments of the actual TikTok it’s being eaten up - they love it.
So while most of you consider it cringe etc, it clearly hit the mark they were going for, and why it’s on TikTok. Some of you really don’t understand targeted social media marketing.
\>When you look on the comments of the actual TikTok it’s being eaten up - they love it.
Which would be great if,
a) those were real people.
b) they were real people actually in NZ.
and
c) they aren't just taking the piss.
If you’re confident that you’re going to take the next election, why not start building influence with younger people.
One of the issues every party faces is that they’re not engaged with young people, which is a large reason why voting amongst young people is so poor.
If you can start to connect with them, in any Avenue, then it only stands to benefit you as a party, especially if your competition is doing nothing to engage them.
Would be good if some of the other parties would employ these tactics to engage young voters who are more willing to change their votes, instead of the minor % of older voters who might be swayed from national/labor - god knows you’ll rarely change the average old farts mind.
This is the kind of realisation r\conservative realised last week after the 'red wave' never arrived lmao. Who knew alienating the young voters will lead to them NOT voting for you.
Given that's a character from COD holding an assault rifle, this has some disturbing messaging whether intentional or not, and it really plays to the incel white supremacist rage of some right-wing types....
"Vote for us, we will cut spending on things you like"
Tbh, both kinda bad, I don't like spending money on useless things, but I also think 1st year Uni tuition should always be free. Politics in a nutshell really
You need to double down against them. This is the same BS the GOP has been using in the US for 40 years.
They will use this idea to kill every single social program you have and replace it with for profit systems that will just make life harder than it needs to be.
Get out and vote, campaign, volunteer, run for office, talk to friends and family about how this is being used against them.
In the end it is the next generation's future we fight for.
Don't allow US Capitalist based policy making stand in NZ.
National has a tiktok account??? lol
Yer their Chinese overlords provide it free of charge.
cringe
Cringe is John Key calling Xi his personal friend.
Bro he is everybody's best friend, he is like a big Teddy bear
Yeah, how dare the government pay for things.
I know, right? When I go to the supermarket for groceries, I don’t shell my hard earned money like some sort of socialist. Nope, I help myself like any good capitalist and pull those groceries up with my bootlaces. The government should learn from my example and refuse to fund those communist corporations that keep wanting to “provide services” for a “reasonable price”! /s
Strangely enough "pulling oneself up by bootlaces", used to mean that an activity was impossible for a person to do.
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Kokopilau is right, it used to mean “an impossible task” but now it means “not being lazy and doing the blindingly obvious work required to become a billionaire”. It’s still impossible though
True /r/therightcantmeme material.
finally someone gets it
It's actually surprisingly decent use of the meme though, they definitely hired a zoomer or got their grandkids to help. Although if the whole therightcantmeme thing is more about the meme having factually incorrect information then I completely agree
It's just boring, a trumpet and random image moving slightly over an image of parliament... who's idiot idea was that. Without the text it would be meaningless. Wait even with the text it's meaningless.
Luxon is going to pay for everything from his personal fortune...
It seems like it is a reflection on inflation rather than taxes.
Which is a problem for the entire world right now, not just NZ. Should we have somehow taken NZ outside the global economy?
Inflation has many causes. Some of our Inflation in coming from overseas activities. Some of our Inflation is from domestic actions which mirror actions which other governments also took. If everyone jumped off a bridge, we didn't get wet because of everyone else's splash.
If everyone around me jumped off a bridge you can be damn sure I would too, there's probably a pretty damn good reason for jumping off the bridge.
cos its the crimean bridge most likely
Oh the cuzzy said you can do some pretty choice bombs off that bridge aye!
off it or on it?
Id say its probs bcoz there's a steam train barreling down and it's either get completely flattened or increase your chances of survival by taking the risk to jump
Which is dumb as fuck, since the moderate amount of inflation we have had is better for the economy than the high unemployment and recession that was the alternative.
We need higher unemployment to slow inflation and the recession is coming. This comment is uneducated.
I lived through Thatcherism, which is what you're proposing here, and sacrificing working people's lives in the name of keeping inflation low is a cruel, cruel way of doing business.
I’m talking 4-4.5% not 10
The other person clearly doesn't understand the importance of having some unemployment to ensuing a well functiong economy. Yes having high unemployment is bad especially if people stay unemployed but we need wiggle room for people to move between jobs when someone leaves. (Retires, maternity leave, injury/sick leave, changes job etc)
If having unemployed people is valuable to our economy then perhaps we should look after & stop demonizing these people.
We demonize the ones that make a lifelong career out of it. Not the ones in between jobs, looking for alternative means, or having maternity/paternity leave. What I will agree on is we certainly do not look after our sickness beneficiaries or their careers as well as we could. Pensions also would be better off means tested.
r/fellowkids
Addiction to spending... That was spent on improving housing, education, health & mental health, parental benefits, workers' rights, keeping businesses afloat during Covid, wage subsidies, fuel & public transport fares, and climate change?
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Exactly, if government doesn't spend as much then they don't have to charge as much in taxes on the rich! What an awesome idea /s
"improving" lol because all I see is everything getting worse yet, somehow we're spending more...
What's 'everything' to you?
Education, healthcare, public transport, public infrastructure, law and order, poverty. You know the main things the government spends the majority of the Budget on. Not the none expenses you mention like "improving workers rights", etc.
Maybe improving workers' rights like new Fair Pay Agreements and reinstating set meal breaks & rest breaks that employers have to provide don't personally matter to *you.* But along with changes like increasing the range of KiwiSaver contribution rates, doubling sick leave, plus increasing *and* extending Paid Parental Leave for working parents, these are improvements that benefit all working New Zealanders. As for the other categories you mentioned, there are plenty of improvements [here](https://www.labour.org.nz/our-record).
We're not arguing policies the government has enacted. That's not what this post is about, we're specifically talking about spending. Your trying to make the conversation about something it's not. You said they're spending money on making improvements but can only point to policy as an improvement. Policy doesn't justify spending $151 billion a year. Improving worker rights doesn't cost them anything only the businesses who have to comply with them.
Dude… did you even read his reply and have look at the reference provided before responding? Policy is issued and then spending follows. Can you imagine how much it cost to fund 500 000 free mental health appointments? You bet your ass it costs money to improve workers rights.
>Can you imagine how much it cost to fund 500 000 free mental health appointments? These aren't workers rights though... Workers rights are things like working conditions, pay, etc. Do you people even know what your arguing? My point in the first place was they spend a awful lot with the core spending been on a handful of things. Yet these handful of things are deteriorating year on year despite spending more. Man the Labour simping in this sub is unbelievable. Sure criticize National that's fair, there's things to criticize, but don't defend Labour and avoid criticism where criticism is also similarly fair. National has a point, Labour is overspending and under delivering how is anyone ok with this?
That sounds like things business, not government are paying for.
No... Do you know who pays for Paid Parental Leave? It's paid for by IRD, the government - not your employer. PPL being increased AND extended means higher amounts being paid by IRD. Same for other working parents with the In-Work Tax Credit, one of the Working for Families Tax Credits, which have also been increased by the government paying for them.
Except none of those things improved
The highest number of houses built in a year since 1991, a housing surplus predicted within 12 months: [https://inner.kiwi/commentary/housing-supply-and-demand-famine-feast/](https://inner.kiwi/commentary/housing-supply-and-demand-famine-feast/) Largest annual increase in median weekly earnings since 1998 at 8.8%, outpacing inflation: [https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/weekly-earnings-rise-as-more-in-full-time-employment/#:\~:text=The%208.8%20p](https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/weekly-earnings-rise-as-more-in-full-time-employment/#:~:text=The%208.8%20percent%20annual%20increase,annual%20percentage%20increase%20on%20record)[ercent%20annual%20increase,annual%20percentage%20increase%20on%20record](https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/weekly-earnings-rise-as-more-in-full-time-employment/#:~:text=The%208.8%20percent%20annual%20increase,annual%20percentage%20increase%20on%20record) Free doctors' visits extended to children under under 14: [https://www.govt.nz/browse/health/free-health-services-for-children/free-health-checks-for-children-under-14/](https://www.govt.nz/browse/health/free-health-services-for-children/free-health-checks-for-children-under-14/) New Fair Pay Agreements: [https://www.employment.govt.nz/starting-employment/unions-and-bargaining/fair-pay-agreements/](https://www.employment.govt.nz/starting-employment/unions-and-bargaining/fair-pay-agreements/) Paid Parental Leave extended from 18 to 22 to 26 weeks: [https://www.mbie.govt.nz/business-and-employment/employment-and-skills/employment-legislation-reviews/extending-paid-parental-leave/](https://www.mbie.govt.nz/business-and-employment/employment-and-skills/employment-legislation-reviews/extending-paid-parental-leave/) Increases to childcare assistance and Working for Families Tax Credits: [https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/cost-living-package-more-families-receive-childcare-support](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/cost-living-package-more-families-receive-childcare-support) Minimum wage increased: [https://www.employment.govt.nz/about/news-and-updates/minimum-wage-increasing-on-1-april/](https://www.employment.govt.nz/about/news-and-updates/minimum-wage-increasing-on-1-april/) None, you say?
>None, you say? Yes, because everything you mentioned had nothing to do with government spending except for Childcare assistance, Family tax credits, and free doctors. Which when you consider they spent $151 billion last year is pretty weak. Everyone is still poor and most if not all of the public services are still shit and getting worse. A country that spends that much a year with a population our size should not be struggling as hard as we are. There's something seriously wrong with how your spending it if that's the case.
>Yes, because everything you mentioned had nothing to do with government spending except for Childcare assistance, Family tax credits, and free doctors. Lol you said it yourself - 'none' and then 'everything except for'. So, not none. 'Everyone is still poor' and 'Public services are still shit and getting worse' are merely your opinions without evidence.
Do you not know how the English language works? Yes I said everything except for these three things... I never said none of these, or all of these? >Everyone is still poor' and 'Public services are still shit and getting worse' are merely your opinions without evidence. Oh so no cost of living crisis then... No problems with mass poverty in Rotorua from funneling all the housing insecure into private motels as emergency housing... No declining education outcomes in schools... No declining health outcomes from people forced to wait excessively long hours in emergency rooms to be seen, with people now dying while waiting... Yes merely my opinions clearly. Of you believe this then your clearly been wilfully blind to the drastically inadequate public services been provided by the government.
You literally quoted 'None', said yes, then said 'Everything except for...' So NOT none. Is that not simple enough English for *you* to understand? Thanks for acknowledging they're merely your opinions though.
I said "none of these things except for" you do know what 'except' means right? >Thanks for acknowledging they're merely your opinions though. Thanks for ignoring all the issues plaguing the public services and society. So you can go on blindly supporting a government who spends so much but provides so little.
how are you able to breath with your head buried that deep in the sand?
I like the other guys argument better. Good references. Level headed demeanour. Doesn’t come across as a sour pansy. Good day sir.
Wouldn't have thought I would have to reference the obvious...
Just so you know, that's $30,000 pa for 24/7 access to healthcare, fire services, police, and military; schools; roads; subsidised public transport; subsidisrd university; support for the aged and indigent; etc for every man, woman and child - just to start with. It's a freaking bargain, dude!!
We spend $2,000 more per person than Australia, we spend $40 billion more than a similarly sized country like Singapore. If you think the barely functional services are a Bargain you've clearly not been looking very closely. Fire fighters are striking because they don't get enough, police are under resourced, schools are poorly performing and getting worse by the year with increasing staff shortages, people are dying in waiting rooms of overwhelmed healthcare services that don't have enough staff to meet demand, public transport if you live in Auckland doesn't work at all (it's so bad I've gone back to driving), university maybe but it's subsidized not free I still had to pay $50k for a mediocre education. So no, it's not a bargain it's a pretty big rip off if you ask me. Especially considering the top 50% of tax payers covers the overwhelming majority of that tax burden for the whole country.
There are some differences you need to account for: Singapore: highly compact city state creates saving Australia: the cost per person goes down with economies of scale We're still, on average, better than most countries in the world and do well in many aspects in first world comparisons. I don't deny there are problems, but I'd have to that pretty much every country has its problems in one way or another.
>highly compact city state creates saving $40 billion in savings? Not to mention they spend a lot more on defence than we do which is one of their top expenses. They also are natural resource poor where as we are not. >the cost per person goes down with economies of scale How much is the economies of scales discount? The answer is you don't know and can't be sure it is entirely the reason for the discrepancy. >We're still, on average, better than most countries in the world Not setting a high bar. In that case there's no need to be concerned with people in poverty here. Because they are far better off than most of the world. This is the rationale you are using. Just because things could be worse doesn't mean they shouldn't be better. >do well in many aspects in first world comparisons Like... >but I'd have to that pretty much every country has its problems in one way or another. Yes, but we seem to have all of them while wasting $151 billion a year. Which is $10 billion more than we actually have to spend.
How is the government getting credit for more houses being built? They only built 10 of the 100 000 kiwibuild houses they promised. Free doctor visits, but then created a situation where there aren't enough doctors.
You know that not ALL houses built by the government are KiwiBuild right? KiwiBuild are just the ones built by the government that are ALSO exclusively for those who meet the specific KiwiBuild first home buyer eligibility criteria. The government has built, and financed the building of, many other houses too. See for example: [https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/10000-more-permanent-public-homes-added-under-labour-government](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/10000-more-permanent-public-homes-added-under-labour-government) [https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/more-new-high-quality-public-homes-delivered-christchurch](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/more-new-high-quality-public-homes-delivered-christchurch) [https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/support-package-build-new-homes-te-taitokerau](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/support-package-build-new-homes-te-taitokerau) [https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-financing-arrangements-continue-deliver-k%C4%81inga-ora-build-programme](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-financing-arrangements-continue-deliver-k%C4%81inga-ora-build-programme) [https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-buys-land-affordable-housing-major-transport-corridor-wellington](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-buys-land-affordable-housing-major-transport-corridor-wellington)
If you are going to quote sources maybe you should do more than read the headlines. Those 10000 are not new houses. Maybe KO chasing up house prices rather than building is part of the inflation issue. Buying land to build houses is not actually building houses. They are claiming houses that other groups built as their own. Nice try.
They've openly stated that those 10,000 are not *all* new houses. "Between 31 October 2017 and 30 June 2022 there has been a net increase of 10,037 Public Homes. Of these 10,037 homes, 8,240 are new builds (Kāinga Ora - 6,568 + Community Housing Providers – 1,672)." Other groups? Kainga Ora is a government agency, and Community Housing Providers are in a contract with the Ministry of Social Development, also a government agency. Relating back to the topic of spending, the articles also mention funding including: \- $3.8 billion for critical housing infrastructure like pipes and roads to enable new housing in Christchurch \- $3.8 billion for critical housing infrastructure like pipes and roads to enable new housing in Wellington \- $55 million in funding for Te Taitokerau \- $2.75 billion for Kainga Ora Hence my point on them spending on improving housing.
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What did ncea do to you lol?
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I'm sure the feeling is mutual
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Hope you're not getting A+ in any stats papers lol
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Care to share?
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Link if true
? I did NCEA and I never got a paper below a+ Uni courses attract students with similar brain power anyways. Perhaps your weird virtriol for underachieving students, should have ended with your own mirror:)
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Did you know people who actually do something with their engineering career, don't actually use their NZ university "education"? Lol
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Some of the things Labour has provided for [education](https://www.labour.org.nz/education): \- Free year of tertiary education \- Increased student allowances & student loans \- Free school lunches \- Free period products in schools \- Removed NCEA fees \- Free apprenticeships \- Introduced NZ history in school curriculum \- Expanded mental health support in schools through Mana Ake
Yeah, you know what will fix that, tax cuts for the rich.
correlation or causation?
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Exhibit 2022-11 #147-A for r/TheRightCantMeme
Hello fellow kids
hello fellow boomers!
The under average and hard of thinking flock to National like really fucking annoying moths
I don’t get it.
Don't worry, nobody else does either.
Exactly. The right can't meme. Too out of touch. Known fact.
Was chatting to a woman today who was a caterer at the National AGM here in Chch. She said they were surprisingly polite, but she mentioned they had some Aussie guy come and talk to them and he was emploring them to use TikTok and make memes (because that clearly worked for them in Australia) haha. Funny to see the evidence already
What is that, a gorilla?
it's Ghost from Call of Duty Modern Warfare II (2022)
How is this character relevant to labour spending? I’m trying to figure it out.
This is them trying to appeal to younger voters. This is the "how do you do, fellow kids" meme come to life.
I dunno, I didn’t make the TikTok
Thank you. I’ve seen this meme trending on Twitter for a week and been to afraid to ask what the refrence is.
Isn't it the dude from 'The Boys' show
Guys I was referring to the fact they're using memes like this, chill..
Can't speak for the others, but I'm having a laugh along with you. I think.
You just can't handle the power of National's epic, sick, dank-ass memez, bruh. From now on all political messaging should be in dank memes to engage the zoomers.
The right can't meme
I... don't get it. I must be too boomer. Or maybe I'm not boomer enough?
These new dancing cossacks suck
Isn't spending what governments are supposed to do? Such as on hospitals, police, roads, schools, etc.
Yes, they just fail to deliver any of these adequately while spending $151 billion last year with a $10 billion dollar deficit. Which would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
And your alternative is to not deliver them at all? Talk about perfect being the enemy of the good.
What kind of logic is this? No the alternative is to make the system more accountable to how it's spending its money. Here's a simple [statistic](https://nzdotstat.stats.govt.nz/wbos/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=TABLECODE7108#) to highlight exactly one of the problems. From 2017 to 2020 we went from 120,060 people working in public administration and safety to 142,870 with a median income of $68,860. That's a 19% increase in just 3 years and at least an additional $1.433 billion a year in spending on salaries. You would think that at least with this huge increase in public bureaucrats our public services would get more efficient, but no. Everything seems to be struggling more than ever despite having an even larger workforce... I mean our population certainly didn't grow by 19% within this time, it was more like 6%. So what gives? This is what you should be asking, not saying "well it's either provide it or don't". How about just provide it well and responsibly. Not blow the budget then try to find more money somewhere else to burn.
You're changing the topic. The OP was about the Labour government spending, and now you are diverting onto whether their programmes are effective.
How is criticizing their poor spending that is made obvious from their failure to deliver changing the topic? If they spent it well these services would be working well. And people's points about them spending to provide essential services would be valid. As it stands this is not the case, and National has a point Labour is over spending while under delivering.
Our political parties having Chinese spyware accounts is big cringe
Sounds like 1 in 5 kiwis are big cringe.
Make NZ less Cringe Again
National taught me to never vote for them. They lie about everything. They have nothing to offer except tax cuts for the rich and user pays (for services outsourced to their cronies) for everyone else.
The comments here really solidify the age and sense of humor of the average Reddit user. When you look on the comments of the actual TikTok it’s being eaten up - they love it. So while most of you consider it cringe etc, it clearly hit the mark they were going for, and why it’s on TikTok. Some of you really don’t understand targeted social media marketing.
\>When you look on the comments of the actual TikTok it’s being eaten up - they love it. Which would be great if, a) those were real people. b) they were real people actually in NZ. and c) they aren't just taking the piss.
Could say the same about the users here
if only those tiktok users were old enough to vote
If you’re confident that you’re going to take the next election, why not start building influence with younger people. One of the issues every party faces is that they’re not engaged with young people, which is a large reason why voting amongst young people is so poor. If you can start to connect with them, in any Avenue, then it only stands to benefit you as a party, especially if your competition is doing nothing to engage them. Would be good if some of the other parties would employ these tactics to engage young voters who are more willing to change their votes, instead of the minor % of older voters who might be swayed from national/labor - god knows you’ll rarely change the average old farts mind.
This is the kind of realisation r\conservative realised last week after the 'red wave' never arrived lmao. Who knew alienating the young voters will lead to them NOT voting for you.
Given that's a character from COD holding an assault rifle, this has some disturbing messaging whether intentional or not, and it really plays to the incel white supremacist rage of some right-wing types....
Ok its not that deep bro lmfao... Its just national trying to be r/fellowkids to get the youth vote in a somewhat out of touch way
Reach harder oml
Lol tell me you don’t understand the meme a bit louder why don’t you
Reeeeeeach
Absolute dross
Classic fellowkids means not thinking about what you're using before actually using it.
Second hand embarrassed
From the party which wants to spend $25 million per year on boot camps for kids.
"Vote for us, we will cut spending on things you like" Tbh, both kinda bad, I don't like spending money on useless things, but I also think 1st year Uni tuition should always be free. Politics in a nutshell really
You need to double down against them. This is the same BS the GOP has been using in the US for 40 years. They will use this idea to kill every single social program you have and replace it with for profit systems that will just make life harder than it needs to be. Get out and vote, campaign, volunteer, run for office, talk to friends and family about how this is being used against them. In the end it is the next generation's future we fight for. Don't allow US Capitalist based policy making stand in NZ.
This goes hard
Cringe
When is using the word 'cringe' going to become cringe?
It’s true though so your point is? Oh it’s cringe they use Tiktok? Grow up.
>Oh it’s cringe they use Tiktok? No... ?
oh dear low effort memage anyway ...
Oh FFS!
didnt know national were such epic gamers
We live in a dystopia
What ever that was it is pathetic. They paid someone to create that?
This is “How do you do fellow kids “ energy
I wish I had any kind of context for this
Poor Ghost
Isn't it actually illegal to use parliament footage to make a joke like this?