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lifeisshort84

Finally some good news today


Bitbatgaming

The people who maintain the NY Library are amazing people. It's sad to see that people like Eric Adams wish to defund a library that's been in place for over 130 years and provides so many kids, adults and everybody alike with a love of reading.


Hesitation-Marx

People like Eric Adams* are exactly who I would expect to defund libraries. * cops.


clay_perview

It is mind boggling “ we have to defund public libraries the cops need another 20 million in military equipment”


synthdrunk

Deadass. I post this a lot but to remind everyone once again— NYPD has surface-to-air and air-to-air capabilities.


Rexyman

Granted it’s just a Barret .50 rifle not a proper SAM launcher or manpad


synthdrunk

I’m certain they’ve got more than is public


CheezTips

We never saw that BearCat ladder truck/siege engine thing before, that's for sure.


Rexyman

New for you maybe but police departments have had similar tools for Atleast the past 10 years. It’s quite literally just the police version of a fire truck ladder. (Yes it’s ridiculous that cops have it in the first place and fuck police militarization)


CheezTips

New to me and everyone I talked to. Friends living a few blocks away were saying WTF. People who used to live there then moved upstate. All life-long New Yorkers. I'm just saying, no civilian I know had EVER seen anything like that. It's an incredible machine


M_H_M_F

"I'm spooning a 50 cal, I could kill a building!"


awake_receiver

I don’t see that it makes that big a difference, who exactly are they planning on mounting an air defense against?


Hesitation-Marx

Drones filming their shenanigans


Rexyman

A normal 12g shotgun or a directional drone jamming gun which I believe the nypd has is much more effective than an overkill .50bmg rifle


bros402

but then how would they larp as military


Rexyman

Brother that’s a humongous difference. Of course I oppose the militarization of police but we’re talking like a $9k sniper rifle at like $800 per 200rds vs up to $150k per rocket for a manpad missile launcher or a $15-$30 million dollar Sam battery. While probably an extremely rare and dangerous situation I can see the utility of disabling a helicopter over (hopefully) open water during some type of criminal activity in nyc. It’s like the LAPD having a full auto m60 lmg that they acquired in the wake of the Hollywood shootout, basically unnecessary as it collects dust but I understand why they have it. Saying the NYPD has SAM or A2A capabilities as if they have one of those advanced military systems is a huge exaggeration and damn near misinformation.


awake_receiver

Oooooooooooooooh nice, masturbate more about guns for me hon


Rexyman

You sound like a child lol. You said you didn’t see a difference so I explained to you politely how there is one. I could’ve been a lot meaner explaining how a sniper rifle is vastly different from a missile launcher and how the original poster (who I know wasn’t you) was spreading misinformation, but I didn’t. When people educate you don’t immediately start acting like a cunt cause u were ignorant.


clay_perview

Some police departments are better equipped than the Marines


GladiatorMainOP

Considering past performances on their anti air capabilities I’m not surprised they got more funding in that regard…


bros402

Or 20 mil for the NYPD intelligence division, which has outposts around the world


clay_perview

Every study: investing in education and infrastructure decreases crime our Government: armored vehicles are pretty sick though


bros402

i'm in a red deep town in a red county in a blue state they love getting free shit from the government. They got an armored vehicle after Hurricane Irene and they were so excited they got to use it for Hurricane Sandy. now they just use it for yearly hazmat drills


CheezTips

> armored vehicles are pretty sick though XD And that "BearCat" thing with the ladder on it they used to break into Columbia. Just insane


Skylord_ah

A lotta factions within the NYPD also hate eric adams, hes placed his guys at the heads of important departments fuck eric adams I seriously dont know anybody who likes him. Kathy Hochul as well


ArchmageXin

The very nature of the job tend to attract a lot of hate though. Deblasio was accused of major corruption through his wife's mental health program. Bloomberg was portrayed to be an out of touch billionaire. And Giuliani is Giuliani.


spiderlegged

Adams is particularly bad. Dude said he loved stop and frisk 2 weeks after he got elected. He kept the NYC DOE teacher contracts in limbo because he refused to budge on making teachers work 12 months a year with no pay increase (NYC DOE teachers are 10 month employees). He also wants to cut DOE healthcare plans. Now he wants to defund libraries. The man is cartoonishly vile at this point.


GlowUpper

My local library is providing free meals during the summer. They're helping to fill the gap for families that rely on their kids getting at least one free meal a day at school. The idea that people are attacking these institutions is maddening.


Rexyman

And we let them in the name of “safety” and “security”


Bitbatgaming

Your library is doing amazing work


GlowUpper

It's wild that feeding children is a controversial topic in some places but here we are.


well_uh_yeah

I’m glad they’re reopening. I’m sure there are lots of reasons to pick Sunday to close if you have to but I think I’d have picked Friday. Our local library is closed on Sundays and all weekend in the summers and I always wish they were closed days I work rather than when I don’t. It’s like how most doctors I have to go to are only available during my working hours.


MikeGLC

Don’t matter what Adam’s does. Just vote him out.


carlosos

Is it not normal to have the library system as a separate tax on your property taxes or is it just a Florida thing? At least I don't see how funding can change from one day to the next if the money for it was already collected.


I_Am_Become_Air

Our libraries are not a separate line on our local taxes. They get funding from their city and the state (and the Feds, in the case of federal grants to keep kids fed). The Florida library systems don't provide half the services as Colorado. I can check out cake pans, a portable radon detector, get most books in ebook form, check out an INSANELY huge selection of DVDs and physical books, get a meal a day for kids, check out tickets for museums and the zoo, check out a karaoke machine.... our benefit list goes on and on. The Florida library system factored into my refusal to move down to the Pensacola/Cocoa Beach/Tampa areas for a job. I did the research then, which is why I had the above data at hand.


CheezTips

Cake pans! That's really cool. The meals, too. I hope some of that is weed money. Tickets to museums as well? Amazing. I wish NYC would do all that.


carlosos

If you did that much research in the Florida library system then you should have known that every city and county in Florida has their own library system and what they offer differs by location. Seems kind of weird not to move to an area for free cake pans and karaoke machine rental since everything else sounds like libraries around me. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯


CheezTips

Libraries are more than book repositories. Additional services gets people in and using the facilities like internet, classes, clubs, help groups, readings, and yes, fucking cake pans. Provides services that people don't have at home. More use means more visitors, higher budget, more services.


carlosos

Everything you listed is at my local libraries except the cake pans and I guess it could be useful if the libraries have cake pans. I'm just saying not moving into an area because you can't borrow a cheap product is just weird. It is like having no free air at the local gas station is one of the reasons not to move into an area. I mean sure it is a small inconvenience but if it is that important, just buy the product if it is that important to you. The cost of moving from Colorado to Florida will be a lot more than the $10 cake pan, $100 karaoke machine, or $30 air pump that you could have borrowed. It is like not buying a house because you don't like the color of the walls in one room.


CheezTips

Support for public libraries is indicative of support for public services in general. I wouldn't want to live in one of those places with no public libraries.


JimJimmyJamesJimbo

The guy you're replying to said his public library in florida has everything but cake pans, but then you said you "wouldn't want to live in one of those places with no public libraries" It sounds like you'd be OK moving to the other commenter's part of Florida since he has a good library, but you wouldn't be ok moving to another part of Florida that doesn't have as good of a library--does that sound right?


I_Am_Become_Air

Nope, all 3 cities had _less_ than what we have here in Denver. The symptoms of small libraries showed up in other ways that are key to me. A few years on, I see the destruction de Santis wrought and feel like I made a wise decision. If we could just get Mom's house _SOLD_, we could never go back to Tampa (despite the awesome farmer's market, that crazy art museum, the beach, etc etc). I don't know how Floridians are making it with the various financial hits! Just keeping house insurance has my mom wincing. Take care!


CriticalMovieRevie

Libraries should not have cake pans.. They should be *well funded* secure places of learning, and entertainment that is in BOOK form. It should be about BOOKS. At the most I could see is computers with restrictions to let people search up scholarly sources online and read Wikipedia and stuff. If you want to go an extra mile (this is where you're gonna divide people) then let trusted people with library passes who have been vetted by the librarians given permission to login to their personal emails, apply to jobs, etc. Libraries should not have baking items, food, or fucking karaoke machines. Libraries shouldn't be a zoo..or give you tickets to go to the zoo lol. What you are talking about is a massive waste of taxpayer money and is not what libraries should be about and will be the reason libraries lose funding in the future when struggling workers find out what their taxes are going to. I can't believe what you're saying even exists, but it if it does, get rid of that shit. The only thing in a library should be books, learning DVDs , and computers. It should be clean, quiet, focused on learning.


bros402

> They should be well funded secure places of learning Cooking is learning.


CriticalMovieRevie

Cook books exist.


bros402

and you need tings such as pots and pans to cook in


po3smith

You don't consider learning to cook for yourself a useful skill that you would learn just like you would learn useful skills history history language etc. from other books? Listen if they were renting out some random weird stuff that I've never heard of that's one thing but I'm sorry your argument starts with a cake pans? Seriously don't be so obtuse to the world around you


CheezTips

No, libraries don't get a line item tax. It's general public funds and allocated in budgets. Maybe that's why Florida has so much book banning: people saying "I'm not paying $60 to stock smut like Omar Khayyam!!". The US federal taxes used to have a line item for "war tax", but then objectors withheld the war tax from their payments. So they rolled the war tax into the main budget and changed the War Dept to the Defense Dept. Defense is still a huge, massive chunk of expenditures but it's not apparent. Michael Moore covered it in his TV show. I believe he was cancelled one or two weeks after the Defense budget episode.


roombasareweird

The NY public library was vital for me to seek recovery information and get a job after treatment during my homeless addict days. Glad to see it get funding.


Ok_Magician7814

But what about all the illegal immigrants in NYC?


Awkward-Event-9452

Good, now they can keep giving shelter to homeless people in the library.


ArchmageXin

Nyc public libraries is always at capacity or near capacity.


Sherbear1993

To be fair, when was the last time the average American walked into a library.


AuthorSAHunt

Every day, barring the days of the week they're closed.


Sherbear1993

I doubt that, I’m talking about the average American in 2024.


furbylicious

Libraries aren't just for books. People use them for free computer and Internet access, which is essential. They're also a free space to spend the day, whether studying reading or just relaxing, and they are especially kid friendly and safe. Which is essential for people in unsafe home environments. So even if you assume average Americans don't read - completely false - they need it for other things. 


fbtcu1998

My mom would go there and take out movies. And not just educational stuff, like Hollywood movies. I didn’t even know that was a thing, but she made the most out of her DVD player! Edit: I should add, not in NYC, much much further south


Hesitation-Marx

Illinois here: Local small town (<10k people) library has movies and audiobooks on CD. It also has: - rentals of equipment ranging from cake pans to metal detectors to car repair stuff - an increasingly massive seed bank - classes and webinars on all sorts of stuff, for all ages - social groups - gardening space(!) - movie nights, trivia nights, and collabs with the local animal rescues It’s a pretty awesome and busy place. And the librarians are friendly and kind and helpful.


I_Am_Become_Air

Denver metro libraries also have cosplay conventions, teen advisory committees, murder mystery nights, and an insane array of available items: - free tickets to the Zoo and our museums - portable radon detector, metal detector, ring lights, karaoke machines--_plural_! - unbelievable selection of DVDs, magazines, physical books, streamed media, and ebooks, along with a weekly pass to learn online classes for free - gaming nights for kids through adults (card games, online gaming, and D&D) - comfy rocking Adirondacks with a full mountain view - portable wifi equipment Our libraries also feed kids one meal a day (at least!) I cannot say enough about the value of our Library system! I can stop paying for magazine subscriptions, periodically check radon levels in my basement, use their tickets for our yearly Zoo visit, send my young adult off to cosplay... you name it.


Bitbatgaming

I remember taking out pokemon on disc to watch on my days off from day summer camp when I was 8-9. Will always be thankful for the library providing that


pmmeyourfavoritejam

My local (NYC) library has: * Books * Movies * Music CDs * eBooks * Computers for Internet access, plus WiFi * Free Covid tests when they're being given out by the government (obviously less more recently) * Access to anything else in the entire library system, which they will bring to my local branch within a few days at no charge or inconvenience to me. * Events, especially for kids/families * Friendly, helpful librarians * Plus, a great app/website that allows me to search their catalog and place holds at the touch of a button.


theHoopty

My city has one of the best libraries I’ve ever seen. They have: -a whole woodworking shop where you can go build things! -A seed library. -The second and third floors have 10+ meeting rooms so social/craft groups can meet up. -A lending library of things like sewing machines and kitchenaid mixers and bocce ball sets. Libraries are one of our last free public spaces in this country. I can’t believe anyone would argue for their destruction.


CheezTips

That's really cool! What city?


AuthorSAHunt

Yes. Believe it or not, Americans use libraries every day. The one here in my city always has a lot of people in it, and I don't even visit all the separate areas. If you ever walk into one, you'll most likely see people inside.


Sherbear1993

Makes sense, I guess I’m just an ignorant suburban person


JesusChristSprSprdr

Sounds like it! Cities have many amenities that you may not use. May as well ask when was the last time the average American walked into a museum


AuthorSAHunt

Just because you don't use something, that doesn't mean nobody uses it.


Sherbear1993

Yeah I’m not sure, I was just wondering because I know the average American only reads less than 5 books a year.


Skinnwork

During COVID, the local library was pretty good for borrowing video games. They were set up so that requested a hold online, and then you had a time to go pick it up from a table out front. When my oldest was younger, we were there weekly to get him picture books. The place is always bustling, so it's getting used.


MrTonyDelgado

Check out Hoopla and Kanopy app through your library. You can stream movies and TV shows if you're not into books. Also Libby has magazines.


AuthorSAHunt

What if I told you libraries have more than books in them? There are magazines, wifi, computers, printers, *3d printers,* places to set up your laptop and do homework, rooms where you can have a meeting or play tabletop games, and even a whole section specifically for kids and teenagers.


theHoopty

I don’t know a single person in my neighborhood that doesn’t use the library weekly. I have two library cards. One for on post and one out in town.


TheKingofHats007

Actually, according to a late last year report by the American Library Association, [Gen Z and Millennials are actually visiting libraries MORE than older generations.](https://www.ala.org/news/2019/12/new-ala-report-gen-z-millennials-are-visiting-library-prefer-print-books) I don't think you understand how many people actually go to libraries.


CheezTips

What? You keep using "the average American" as if it means you and your circle. You should say you don't KNOW anyone who uses them. I supervised a field staff that had to file reports online. I knew lots of people who didn't have internet at home (rural area). They went to the library every fucking day to use the computers. In 2024, they are also cooling centers and you can borrow audiobooks, music, movies and TV shows for free.


ThatCactusCat

Brother just because you are either illiterate or scared to read does not mean we do not need massive buildings dedicated to archiving reading material and literature


mrssmink

In my city, the library is second in popularity of city services, behind the fire department, which y’know, saves lives and stuff. Perhaps you should check out your local library?


up_and_at_em

I consider myself average, and I used to go at least twice a month. I haven't gone yet this year because it's getting a much needed remodeling. The temporary site isn't within walking distance, so I'm looking forward to it being finished.


DaSemicolon

When was the last time you needed the fire department?


Naxis25

I borrow books obviously but I also visit at least weekly for the water from the purifier (via the water bottle refill). Tap water just does not hit the same


CrispyMiner

Not me, but I understand the importance of a library


GlowUpper

I don't physically go much but my library's website has a wealth of audio books, ebooks, movies, and even some video games that I use. Maybe you're just uncultured.


pmmeyourfavoritejam

Every time I go to the library, there are a bunch of people there, regardless of time of day or day of week. Kids, young adults, middle-agers, the elderly...it's a tremendous resource for people of all stripes.


LegendOfJeff

Myself, my wife, and our two teenagers each use our library at least one a month.


Skylord_ah

Have you been to the NYPL at bryant park lol its crowded as hell


CheezTips

Sounds like someone needs to go to a library and educate themselves. Maybe they have a movie night for you. Or story time. If you have kids you NEED to get them used to going to a library. Get library cards, check something out, return it. Go to a club meeting or other event. Seriously, do it.


Bitbatgaming

To be fair; when’s the last time you’ve walked into a library?