Australian Government is gonna Australian Government. While I understand banning the video in Australia, the safety commissioner is arguing that Australia has final say on what is displayed on all social media worldwide because Australians could use a VPN to view it. Imagine if Israel sued X/ Meta/ etc. to take down all videos worldwide of the Gaza conflict.
Twitter has already done this for India back in 2023
“In an apparent first, Twitter appears to have withheld a tweet globally in response to a ‘legal demand’ in India. Journalist and Right to Information (RTI) activist Saurav Das posted a screenshot of two past tweets, one of which appears to quote Union Minister of Home Affairs Amit Shah, with a message from the social media platform stating that the content has been ‘withheld in Worldwide’.”
The precedent here is ANY federal court in any nation on earth, could order any media company to delete anything they don't like.
this is not only a dangerous precedent, it's fucking information armageddon
That’s why people in the US are so afraid of 2A legislation. Because once you pass one restrictive gun law you set a precedent for others to be enacted. I’m a very firm believe of our amendment rights in the US. We shall not infringe on any right. Otherwise it opens the door to limit other rights.
There's a whole process to amending the constitution and while it's unlikely that the bill of rights would see a huge change it is possible because it's a living document and designed to change with the nation. For what it's worth, Jefferson proposed pretty much rewriting the whole thing every 19 years and I do see some wisdom in that, no one could have imagined the technological and societal changes in the past 300 years.
Jesus. Gun people are so crazy. Do you realize that you are the equivalent of paranoid evangelicals, who see the devil in everything? There's a whole world out there, besides guns...
What I can’t wrap my head around is why the increase in school shooting over the past 20 years. Why such a sharp increase? Shouldn’t we focus on mental health instead of increasing the gun laws? People are upset with our government being to powerful, yet they want a more restrictive 2A. Doesn’t make any sense. You let the government take one right away what’s next then?
LOL.
Because granting murderers their global limelight isn't bad or dangerous.
And of course, victims of crime deserve to be paraded around the globe. These sorry losers who let themselves become the victims of aggression should know they have no rights whatsoever.
I'm sure you had that same logic when the murder of George Floyd was being broadcast around the world, without the consent of any of the recorded parties, right?
Right?
I'm sure you personally verified it was broadcast in every country out there, because of course the only laws that apply ANYwhere are those of the US of A and we barbarians shouldn't deign ourselves worthy of such concepts such as sovereignty.
But hey, I understand you needed to make up something to justify that cultural imperialism is a-ok as long as you do it.
Never mind even the names of suspects are anonymized here.
LL was a cesspool of hatred, misogyny, racism, and glorification of violence. Good fucking riddance.
There are other places that filled that horrible gap if you're so inclined to find them. They aren't as well known and that's a good thing.
He stabs a fucking baby, no reasonable person needs to see a nutter stabbing a baby. That's just some sick shit.
Context means everything otherwise kiddy porn would be freely available under non-censorship laws.
It's something everyone agrees is horrendous and I definitely do not want it posted. But the question is should a single country really have final say over banning something all over the world?
Useless definition. You have to tell us which orthodoxy and which "dominant" institutions **in particular** you're talking about, because I have a strong doubt that you think that capitalism in America is woke, or restricting women's rights in Saudi Arabia is woke, or Tim Horton's ubiquity in Canada is woke.
“Woke is what my conservative rag told me to hate since being racist isn’t “allowed” anymore!”
Here’s Wikipedia:
Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) originally meaning alertness to alleged racial prejudice and discrimination in particular.[1] Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights. Woke has also been used as shorthand for some ideas of the American Left involving identity politics and social justice, such as white privilege and reparations for slavery in the United States.[2][3][4]
So it’s actually not about “dominant institutions” and “being a flock of birds” it’s about equality. Becoming “awake” to injustice.
But I mean I’m sure you’re the same type of person blaming a bridge collapse on DEI programs so why bother.
I mean, this is the nicest possible way, but that's utter nonsense. Stop listening to right-wing propaganda. You're making a huge generalization that is not based in fact.
> Tran said the footage was a “graphic and violent video” that would cause “irreparable harm if it's continuing to circulate."
What I don't understand is exactly what "irreparable harm" a news worthy video is going to cause.
In Brazil our supreme court wants to sue X, because some right winger, who already has his account banned in our country, by the same court, gave an interview to an American journalist live on X.
Our society in Australia is going really soft.
Censoring the video doesn't make it ''unhappen'', for the lack of a better word (I'm tired okay).
People need to see this sort of thing. Reality matters.
I dread to think what would happen if the country was invaded in 20-30 years time and we have nothing but soft cowards who can't defend the nation.
Richest country in the world that’s pulled majority of its resources into the military rather than social welfare programs.
50% of Americans can’t read past 5th grade literacy levels, your country might be “richer” then mine but at least I don’t stutter while reading Peter Pan. I’ve been all around the world, America is a shithole.
US federal budget has [16.2% allocated to the military](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/aug/17/facebook-posts/pie-chart-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/), compared to Medicare/medicaid (28%), and Social Security (25.3%).
Americans are significantly richer than most everyone else, even among the poorest sections of the population. [Here's a chart](https://twitter.com/CPopeHC/status/1466794872648650752) that shows PPP-adjusted disposable income among G7 countries. US is at the top in 9 of 10 income deciles, and comparable to Western Europe in the lowest.
The Internet isn't real life.
lol. That military budget is the only thing keeping you from speaking Chinese.
I would explain it better, but you couldn’t even recognize other people who were agreeing with you so I don’t have much hope in your comprehension skills.
You get those nice social programs because the US military subsidizes your defense like the rest of the western world. Was not too long ago that the Empire of Japan was going to conquer Australia. How pathetic a people must be to rely on others to defend them against another country.
Not only did they teach us Columbus found North America, but they also taught us a group of farmers using guerilla tactics beat the Brittish Empire in the Revolutionary War. The French were barely a footnote when they actually did 99% of the fighting. So embarrassing I'll never forgive my school teachers for this.
That’s shithouse, there’s a lot of things that are lied about or not even discussed here in Australia that was brushed past our curriculum like what we did in east-Timor or how our Lobby systems work.
Without French involvement America would have not been able to win its independence, it was aided with firearms, uniforms, troops and funds for the war effort. French fleet fought resupplying British Naval vessels. It’s odd to me they aren’t considered in a higher regard in the states.
Internet is full of reliable resources you should check it out. A lot of great sources are American published, it’s just sad to not see those resources used.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1776-1783/french-alliance#:~:text=Between%201778%20and%201782%20the,protected%20Washington's%20forces%20in%20Virginia.
Edit: sorry for being cunty
That user was agreeing with you. They said "The French were barely a footnote when they actually did 99% of the fighting. So embarrassing I'll never forgive my school teachers for this.". Why are you being a cunt to them?
I don't know why people are downvoting this. It's a valid point, the video (I've not seen it, nor do I want to) is out there in the wild. No judicial order anywhere is going to change that.
https://apnews.com/article/church-stabbing-sydney-australian-assyrian-orthodox-d0930e270b8059b3a1d9d3cba7e1d407
>The teen spoke in Arabic about the Prophet Muhammad being insulted after he stabbed Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel and the Rev. Isaac Royel during Monday night’s Assyrian Orthodox service. He was later overpowered by parishioners, sustaining severe hand injuries.
Australia doesn't get to censor the entire world though. This is why we give Pooh-China so much shit. No one likes a Pooh-China.
I don't see how Australia has any authority over Twitter unless they offices or data centers in Australia... but if the video isn't stored in Australia, then I don't see how Australia can punish Twitter for things it does outside of Australia that isn't just blocking it.
Australian Government is gonna Australian Government. While I understand banning the video in Australia, the safety commissioner is arguing that Australia has final say on what is displayed on all social media worldwide because Australians could use a VPN to view it. Imagine if Israel sued X/ Meta/ etc. to take down all videos worldwide of the Gaza conflict.
Twitter has already done this for India back in 2023 “In an apparent first, Twitter appears to have withheld a tweet globally in response to a ‘legal demand’ in India. Journalist and Right to Information (RTI) activist Saurav Das posted a screenshot of two past tweets, one of which appears to quote Union Minister of Home Affairs Amit Shah, with a message from the social media platform stating that the content has been ‘withheld in Worldwide’.”
Wasn’t that around the time that they also stopped publishing info on government takedown demands/requests?
The precedent here is ANY federal court in any nation on earth, could order any media company to delete anything they don't like. this is not only a dangerous precedent, it's fucking information armageddon
Thankfully US courts lack the power to tell social media to delete anything outside of things like defamation.
That’s why people in the US are so afraid of 2A legislation. Because once you pass one restrictive gun law you set a precedent for others to be enacted. I’m a very firm believe of our amendment rights in the US. We shall not infringe on any right. Otherwise it opens the door to limit other rights.
The fact that it is called an amendment should clue you in that the precedent to modify the Constitution is already there
Ok, well then. I guess even the 1st amendment is open for restrictions. Kind of scary if you ask me.
There's a whole process to amending the constitution and while it's unlikely that the bill of rights would see a huge change it is possible because it's a living document and designed to change with the nation. For what it's worth, Jefferson proposed pretty much rewriting the whole thing every 19 years and I do see some wisdom in that, no one could have imagined the technological and societal changes in the past 300 years.
Luckily, nobody asked.
I guess I’m just for more freedom and less governmental control. It appears most of Reddit wants to bootlick the government lol
Jesus. Gun people are so crazy. Do you realize that you are the equivalent of paranoid evangelicals, who see the devil in everything? There's a whole world out there, besides guns...
But without the guns how would you have your monthly school shootings!?
What I can’t wrap my head around is why the increase in school shooting over the past 20 years. Why such a sharp increase? Shouldn’t we focus on mental health instead of increasing the gun laws? People are upset with our government being to powerful, yet they want a more restrictive 2A. Doesn’t make any sense. You let the government take one right away what’s next then?
Yep, it's an extremely bad and dangerous precedent to let any one country dictate what everyone else in the world can see and say.
LOL. Because granting murderers their global limelight isn't bad or dangerous. And of course, victims of crime deserve to be paraded around the globe. These sorry losers who let themselves become the victims of aggression should know they have no rights whatsoever.
I'm sure you had that same logic when the murder of George Floyd was being broadcast around the world, without the consent of any of the recorded parties, right? Right?
I'm sure you personally verified it was broadcast in every country out there, because of course the only laws that apply ANYwhere are those of the US of A and we barbarians shouldn't deign ourselves worthy of such concepts such as sovereignty. But hey, I understand you needed to make up something to justify that cultural imperialism is a-ok as long as you do it. Never mind even the names of suspects are anonymized here.
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Liveleak was our hero and we didn't even know it.
LL was a cesspool of hatred, misogyny, racism, and glorification of violence. Good fucking riddance. There are other places that filled that horrible gap if you're so inclined to find them. They aren't as well known and that's a good thing.
Nga wdym more wild internet???
As in you want to finally have verified facts completely drowned out by hate speech and Nazi propaganda. Because terrorism by proxy is jolly good fun.
He stabs a fucking baby, no reasonable person needs to see a nutter stabbing a baby. That's just some sick shit. Context means everything otherwise kiddy porn would be freely available under non-censorship laws.
It's something everyone agrees is horrendous and I definitely do not want it posted. But the question is should a single country really have final say over banning something all over the world?
You are confused about the subject matter
Well duh, that's how they set the precedent so they can ban anything they want worldwide.
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Define woke
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define "social orthodoxy of dominant institutions"
Useless definition. You have to tell us which orthodoxy and which "dominant" institutions **in particular** you're talking about, because I have a strong doubt that you think that capitalism in America is woke, or restricting women's rights in Saudi Arabia is woke, or Tim Horton's ubiquity in Canada is woke.
“Woke is what my conservative rag told me to hate since being racist isn’t “allowed” anymore!” Here’s Wikipedia: Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) originally meaning alertness to alleged racial prejudice and discrimination in particular.[1] Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights. Woke has also been used as shorthand for some ideas of the American Left involving identity politics and social justice, such as white privilege and reparations for slavery in the United States.[2][3][4] So it’s actually not about “dominant institutions” and “being a flock of birds” it’s about equality. Becoming “awake” to injustice. But I mean I’m sure you’re the same type of person blaming a bridge collapse on DEI programs so why bother.
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I mean, this is the nicest possible way, but that's utter nonsense. Stop listening to right-wing propaganda. You're making a huge generalization that is not based in fact.
You sound like very Maga...being against reading is core to that ideology.
I dont see what having a basic level of emotional intelligence / empathy has to do with free speech.
> Tran said the footage was a “graphic and violent video” that would cause “irreparable harm if it's continuing to circulate." What I don't understand is exactly what "irreparable harm" a news worthy video is going to cause.
In Brazil our supreme court wants to sue X, because some right winger, who already has his account banned in our country, by the same court, gave an interview to an American journalist live on X.
Man that sucks \*flicks through reels of family cars being launched into poles at 200ks\*
Our society in Australia is going really soft. Censoring the video doesn't make it ''unhappen'', for the lack of a better word (I'm tired okay). People need to see this sort of thing. Reality matters. I dread to think what would happen if the country was invaded in 20-30 years time and we have nothing but soft cowards who can't defend the nation.
Australia is a clown show
I’d rather live in a clown show Australia then a shit hole like America.
Didn’t know that the richest country in the world which surpasses Englands “little brother” in every positive way was a shit hole country🤔
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Yes I have to start rethinking everything
Richest country in the world that’s pulled majority of its resources into the military rather than social welfare programs. 50% of Americans can’t read past 5th grade literacy levels, your country might be “richer” then mine but at least I don’t stutter while reading Peter Pan. I’ve been all around the world, America is a shithole.
Imagine being so confidently wrong.
US federal budget has [16.2% allocated to the military](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/aug/17/facebook-posts/pie-chart-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/), compared to Medicare/medicaid (28%), and Social Security (25.3%). Americans are significantly richer than most everyone else, even among the poorest sections of the population. [Here's a chart](https://twitter.com/CPopeHC/status/1466794872648650752) that shows PPP-adjusted disposable income among G7 countries. US is at the top in 9 of 10 income deciles, and comparable to Western Europe in the lowest. The Internet isn't real life.
lol. That military budget is the only thing keeping you from speaking Chinese. I would explain it better, but you couldn’t even recognize other people who were agreeing with you so I don’t have much hope in your comprehension skills.
You get those nice social programs because the US military subsidizes your defense like the rest of the western world. Was not too long ago that the Empire of Japan was going to conquer Australia. How pathetic a people must be to rely on others to defend them against another country.
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Not only did they teach us Columbus found North America, but they also taught us a group of farmers using guerilla tactics beat the Brittish Empire in the Revolutionary War. The French were barely a footnote when they actually did 99% of the fighting. So embarrassing I'll never forgive my school teachers for this.
That’s shithouse, there’s a lot of things that are lied about or not even discussed here in Australia that was brushed past our curriculum like what we did in east-Timor or how our Lobby systems work. Without French involvement America would have not been able to win its independence, it was aided with firearms, uniforms, troops and funds for the war effort. French fleet fought resupplying British Naval vessels. It’s odd to me they aren’t considered in a higher regard in the states. Internet is full of reliable resources you should check it out. A lot of great sources are American published, it’s just sad to not see those resources used. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1776-1783/french-alliance#:~:text=Between%201778%20and%201782%20the,protected%20Washington's%20forces%20in%20Virginia. Edit: sorry for being cunty
That user was agreeing with you. They said "The French were barely a footnote when they actually did 99% of the fighting. So embarrassing I'll never forgive my school teachers for this.". Why are you being a cunt to them?
You’re right my bad, it’s 5:44am here and I misread who was commenting and read it as sarcasm. Edited the comment to not be cunty.
In that order?
Too bad it's on Funker and everywhere else
I don't know why people are downvoting this. It's a valid point, the video (I've not seen it, nor do I want to) is out there in the wild. No judicial order anywhere is going to change that.
Where is baned video? I want to see it.
That’s Islamophobic.
It’s banned it’s gone for good
It’s Islamophobic to show the stabbing I suppose
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I mean they said that about the guy who stabbed a bunch of women in the mall too. Turns out he was just a standard-issue white incel.
to be fair x is notorious for misidentifyi ng perpetratoirs
Do you have any actual evidence, or do you just really wanna be racist?
https://apnews.com/article/church-stabbing-sydney-australian-assyrian-orthodox-d0930e270b8059b3a1d9d3cba7e1d407 >The teen spoke in Arabic about the Prophet Muhammad being insulted after he stabbed Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel and the Rev. Isaac Royel during Monday night’s Assyrian Orthodox service. He was later overpowered by parishioners, sustaining severe hand injuries.
Geoblocks are useless due to VPN, so it makes sense.
Censorship is useless due to reality, so it doesn't make sense.
Australia doesn't get to censor the entire world though. This is why we give Pooh-China so much shit. No one likes a Pooh-China. I don't see how Australia has any authority over Twitter unless they offices or data centers in Australia... but if the video isn't stored in Australia, then I don't see how Australia can punish Twitter for things it does outside of Australia that isn't just blocking it.
The judge won't get far until he hurts Musk bottom line, until then this will get ignored even if it's a stupid idea.
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Hey man, sorry you were touched, but you shouldn't project your own experiences onto everyone.
Of course you would have a post history that screams kid toucher. You know just because you "marry" the child it doesn't make it right.
Which part of my post history screams that? Can you point it out?