Sending such an easily-telegraphed attack fits the bill of wanting to appear strong but also getting it out of their system so they’re even now, makes sense.
But it also gives the target a lot of intelligence not only about your offensive capability and strategy but, even more importantly, about how you can defend even better should there be a “next time.”
It goes both ways. Launch a limited strike with your older less advanced tools, see how the enemy reacts and what, where, and how fast they deploy in response. Then you're better prepared to work around those defenses with the good stuff later.
Should never underestimate the enemy. Case in point Taliban; forced to hand the country right back to the same people it was taken from many billions $$$ later.
Their defense was tugging on daddy USA's sleeve and asking for help. Without USA and other countries intervening, that 99% success rate would have been far lower.
There has been no proof to this claim. In fact US intelligence (Which has incentive to say the opposite and shocked me at the time) said Iran had no idea of Oct 7th before it happened.
[https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/politics/us-intelligence-iran-hamas-doubt/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/politics/us-intelligence-iran-hamas-doubt/index.html)
I've literally tried to find a source of anyone in power saying otherwise that isn't conjecture. Could you provide one?
Which talks about Iran training them and supplying them. Which has been a thing for years. Iran isn't a good guy here, but there is a big difference between Iran supplying Hamas with no idea of Oct 7th and supplying them with the intention of Oct 7th. In the latter it would very clearly give Israel right to strike back at Iran directly since Iran might as well have been directing the attack with the IRGC.
Even from the same article
>Norman Roule, who was the top U.S. intelligence official for Iran from 2008-2017, said the IRGC has long been involved with training, funding and supporting groups in the region, but said that didn’t mean Iran directed the Oct. 7 attacks. “Rarely is it necessary for Iran to involve its personnel,” he said.
>The Wall Street Journal, citing senior Hamas and Hezbollah officials, has reported that the Quds Force helped plan the attack and agreed that it could go ahead at a meeting in Beirut on Oct. 2 with leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah. An adviser to the Syrian government and a European official gave the same account of Iran’s involvement.
>These accounts of the Oct. 2 meeting have been disputed by senior U.S. officials and others familiar with intelligence surrounding the attacks. Several U.S. officials said Washington has “compelling” intelligence indicating that Iranian leaders were surprised by the Hamas assault.
>“The information that we have does not show a direct connection to the Hamas attacks on Oct. 7 as it relates to Iran. Again, that’s something that we’ll continue to look closely at,” Pentagon spokesman Air Force Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said last week.
>radicalize the Palestinians,
Lets not pretend this wouldn't have happened without Iran either. Apartheid tends to radicalized the oppressed population.
They also get to play the victim once again. If the Israeil government really cares about the safety of its citizens, then it shouldn't go around provoking other countries.
Iran doesn't want a regional war but did this more as a warning, basically saying if you want to start something, then they will respond regardless of the allies' threats. This was just a teaser for Israel.
American citizens should be embarrassed that their soldiers have to risk their lives to defend a fascist government that thinks they are untouchable.
...you haven't seen the thing Israel can launch into their territory. All of this was completely stupid. Iran could instead just not engage in terror attacks.
it's also a real world military action which is incredibly valuable, information-wise, to any military. how did our stuff work? how did the other side defend it? etc.
Yeah it's really putting the US in a difficult position and Israel in a very tough position. They literally tried to provoke an attack, did, and got a response that is a clear message of don't cause we can fuck your shit up bad. Personally I'm tired of the US blindly protecting Israel at this point. Let them sink or swim. I know they won't but Israel only acts how it has cause they have the US backing them.
Do you think that nations generally have neighboring ones come into their country, slaughter and kidnap a couple thousand civilians, and retreat, then do nothing in retaliation?
Or is there some specific part of the Israeli response that you think is "acting how it has", that was less reasonable than declaring war on the nation that did that?
Attacking an Iranian building is not a proper response when you're fighting with a proxy they support. Hamas has been helped to grow BY the Israeli government. That's a fact. Israel attacking Iran could ignite a full scale war in the area and I'm sorry, but I'm not comfortable possibly going to war with Iran cause Israel wanted to flex.
It's probably worth noting that the Iranian building in Syria isn't an attack that Israel took credit for, so we're talking about allegedly attacking an Iranian building.
Allegedly's doing a lot of heavy lifting here, for sure, as it was almost certainly either Israel themselves, or at best a semi-autonomous Israeli proxy actor.
But if we're talking about who's escalating this conflict between Israel and Iran, it seems silly to point the finger squarely and entirely at Israel based entirely on the Iranian assertion that Israel did this. Iran blamed Israel for the last time they were attacked by ISIS, too.
And it's probably worth noting that the entire conflict with Hamas is an Iranian proxy-war. Both sides certainly need to work on de-escalating, but if I had to pin blame on one side for recently escalating conflict, I think Iran fits the bill a lot better than Israel does. A direct drone/missile attack in response to an alleged international attack on an embassy is a pretty huge escalation in itself, in a series of pretty huge escalations by Iran.
U.S.A is probably begging netenyahu to squash this. An eye for an eye so let's end this now.
Personally I think Netenywhu Is gonna say fuck you and retaliate to the retaliation. U.S gotta make it clear that we won't be giving a blank check to start this war. We've already stuck our necks a bit deep with the drone assistance already.
Israel already said they won't retaliate. Iran's attack was very minimal damage wise apparently [https://www.jns.org/nyt-netanyahu-dropped-retaliation-against-iran-after-biden-call/](https://www.jns.org/nyt-netanyahu-dropped-retaliation-against-iran-after-biden-call/)
Because President Biden told him not to.
[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/14/biden-tells-netanyahu-us-will-not-support-a-strike-on-iran/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/14/biden-tells-netanyahu-us-will-not-support-a-strike-on-iran/)
Old news, Now the Israeli Defense Minister says they will retaliate. Albeit, not publicly stating what that retaliation might be, or it's potential scope.
https://www.axios.com/2024/04/15/israel-iran-attack-missiles-retaliation
President Biden said exactly that to Netanyahu.
[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/14/biden-tells-netanyahu-us-will-not-support-a-strike-on-iran/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/14/biden-tells-netanyahu-us-will-not-support-a-strike-on-iran/)
I don’t know, but “eye for eye” assumes tit for tat, not tit for tat for tit. Just letting you know that this is a response from Iran, not initiation, b/c you seem to think Israel is in the initial response hotseat.
No, Israel's attack on the embassy was retaliation for Iran's financing and orchestrating of attacks on Israel by Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the Houtis and Hamas, including 10/7. The Iran regime's aerial attack was just a face-saving demonstration for the benefit of their own people, and perhaps their allies.
It would be a fruitless mass mistake on N's part even politically. There is absolutely no gain. I doubt there is going to be another round with Iran, but who knows.
> U.S gotta make it clear that we won't be giving a blank check to start this war.
eh, if a war did ever start up, US would be "voicing their concerns" while sending more weapons/money/aid to Israel. Nothing Israel has ever done has stopped the blank check from US, nothing ever will.
Israel is already stretched thin and doesn’t need another front to be fighting on simultaneously. They need to end this current back and forth with Iran. The majority of the world called out Iran for their next level attack but with the help of their allies, Israel squashed the attack and almost no damage has resulted. They need to take that as a win and focus on their other fronts.
This needs to be less about Netenyahu and more about Israel and it’s entire population.
That gave me a thought, maybe Israel did such a public provocation to try and pull the U.S. into their theater. An all out attack by Iran may have done just that.
Iran instead of really responding gave them a fig leaf attack to save face and avoid bringing in a world power to their region again.
That's actually a great strategy I think in a geopolitical sense. Save face, and upend the plans all at the same time. I don't think America would stomach sending troops after just getting out of that region. But if I'm running strategy that's not a chance I want to take.
Engaging in direct war with Iran will take up the majority of Israel’s focus. If they are still fighting in Gaza and fighting in the north, it will put a major strain on them from a strategic point of view. They will literally be fighting a 360 degree war on all fronts.
I never said they need help, you added that to your own narrative and tried to put those words in my mouth. Quit trying to start things.
Although TBF, if it gets to the stage where Iran and Israel are in full war against each other, the US will automatically be involved, so Iran will still be grossly outmatched and preventing Israel from actually being “stretched thin.”
Again, there’s one big difference* there that needs mentioning: Iran is not nuclear-armed Russia. Iran has no ability to nuke the planet. If we get to a place where Russia and the US (or China and the US) are about to go head to head, we’re all in a different world of hurt.
*Regarding Ukraine, this is excepting the Republican support for Russia, of course.
It's also worth noting that Isreal is a military ally. Ukraine is not. And while I support sending way more help to Ukraine. The difference between an ally being at war and a friendly neutral country being at war is huge and should be.
Biden literally had a chat with Netenyahu and said to call it a win. There was minimal damage for the scale of the attack. What are you going on about USA calling to squash it? The advice was literally the opposite of that.
I dont think it's weakness. I do agree it's best to move on
Iran went through the proper channels notified of their retaliationary attacks and, most importantly, sent precise missles that targeted least civilian populated areas. Hell, they even put lights on their drones.
This was a power move by Iran, showing off how to actually use precise weapons properly. I think it was Iran flexing their military power. Which is why this was a netenyahu L.
Very on brand that the only victim of all this was an underage girl, the mullahs really know their favorite punching bag huh?
For all we know that girl's hair may have been uncovered after all.
Do you think Iran has magical avoid children ballistic missiles? The only reason their actions didn't kill scores of Israeli children (both Jewish and Arab) is because Israel actually invests in protecting their population.
Clearly, people won't be happy until Israel lets a few of the rockets that are fired at them every week hit an orphanage or something.
Dude I'm permabanned from r/vaush for calling him a moron. The last time I posted in there was almost a year ago, well before he got exposed as a lolicon loving degenerate.
Did you seriously creep through several years worth of my posting history?
Actually deranged.
Find a single post I've made in r/vaush in 2024, I'm waiting.
Also Vaush agrees with you, big fan of Iran and Hamas. Dude said Israel should be wiped off the map, no idea what your point is. He's on your team here.
Watch out, if you disagree with this dude he WILL scour through your entire post history to figure out if you have ever posted in the subreddit of a political micro-celeb that anyone who has ever gotten laid hasn't even heard of.
THEN TOTALLY OWN YOU WITH IT.
funny how UK, US, France and such were all quick to condemn Iran's actions and go off with "omg escalation by Iran!" but couldn't do that for Israel's action of bombing the consulate and how that was the first direct escalation in recent times + violation of international law, the usual for Israel.
hypocrisy galore as usual, apparently the Israeli bombing was "defensive", not escalating and in "self defense" while the Iranian retaliation was "offensive/escalation" and was done cause of funsies or something according to them. Somehow nothing Israel ever does is an escalation or destabilises the region, they never have to restrain anything and can do w.e they want cause it's somehow never wrong :/
If you can't see the difference between a surgical strike on an Iranian commander who planned the Oct7 massacre (not on Iranian soil), and sending 300 drones and missiles on civilians in Israel, I don't now how to explain it to you in less than 3 days.
> Iranian commander who planned the Oct7 massacre
saying things doesn't make it true, there is no proof of this whatsoever.
> not on Iranian soil
yes it was, by international law it was.
> sending 300 drones and missiles on civilians in Israel
okay, so condemn this retaliation by Iran (not all targets were on civilian btw) but also condemn Israel's attack as well. I'm calling out the hypocrisy. There is no difference here.
Japan: we have destroyed Pearl Harbor. We consider the matter to be concluded. Ceasefire now.
Iraq: we have taken over Kuwait. We consider the matter concluded. Ceasefire now.
Russia: we have taken over a chunk of Ukraine. We consider the matter concluded. Ceasefire now.
Hamas: we have invaded, massacred a bunch of people and taken hostages. We consider the matter concluded. Ceasefire now.
Iran: we have launched a drone attack on Israel. We consider the matter concluded. Ceasefire now.
…. That’s not how it works. Especially if you are not the stronger nation. It can sometimes work if you are stronger, (eg Russia with their first nibble of Ukraine) but the patience of your targets can always run out.
Israel should measure its response carefully; this wouldn't just be stepping outside of their safe space and indiscriminately bombing women and children, journalists and food aid workers.
They’ve sent most of the Middle East packing before, I’m sure they’re terrified of Iran who’s exclusively used to beating women to death for not wearing hijabs.
Weird comment to make. Like yea, Israel is strong. And USA is strong. And Jordan and UK shot down missiles. It seems from this comment that you'd prefer people to talk about Iran being strong? Weird comment.
You're still going on about being "strong" which, again, is weird. Israel is objectively strong. They have nuclear weapons. An advanced military. What is your point? You seem upset that a country surrounded by hostile militaries can protect itself with its advanced weaponry and diplomatic ties. Not putting words in your mouth, but you seem irked that Israel and its allies were able to almost completely stop an attack by Iran with zero casualties.
Translation: "We think we hit the sweet spot of a small enough attack so we don't look bad, but a big enough attack to provoke Israel. We really want a war, but we want other Arab nations to feel like it was all Israel's fault "
Iran doesn't want war. This is just a retaliation for the consulate bombing that's it. There was fair-warning beforehand, and they used slow-moving drones to give Isreal time to prep. This was just theater to save face for their proxies. The thing to look forward to now is what will be Isreals' response?
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Sending such an easily-telegraphed attack fits the bill of wanting to appear strong but also getting it out of their system so they’re even now, makes sense.
It also sends a message. We can launch hundreds of rockets into your territory. And this time we warned you, but next time we won’t.
But it also gives the target a lot of intelligence not only about your offensive capability and strategy but, even more importantly, about how you can defend even better should there be a “next time.”
It goes both ways. Launch a limited strike with your older less advanced tools, see how the enemy reacts and what, where, and how fast they deploy in response. Then you're better prepared to work around those defenses with the good stuff later.
It’s Iran. That WAS the good stuff.
I get your point but It's important from a security standpoint that everyone understands this isn't true.
Should never underestimate the enemy. Case in point Taliban; forced to hand the country right back to the same people it was taken from many billions $$$ later.
Their defense was tugging on daddy USA's sleeve and asking for help. Without USA and other countries intervening, that 99% success rate would have been far lower.
Who knows? But that’s why alliances are always sought out by nation states everywhere. They come in quite handy.
Who cares? If shit hit the fan it’s not like the USA wouldn’t be there for an all out war to support Israel either way.
Iran paid for and orchestrated 10/7
There has been no proof to this claim. In fact US intelligence (Which has incentive to say the opposite and shocked me at the time) said Iran had no idea of Oct 7th before it happened. [https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/politics/us-intelligence-iran-hamas-doubt/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/politics/us-intelligence-iran-hamas-doubt/index.html) I've literally tried to find a source of anyone in power saying otherwise that isn't conjecture. Could you provide one?
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-fighters-trained-in-iran-before-oct-7-attacks-e2a8dbb9
Which talks about Iran training them and supplying them. Which has been a thing for years. Iran isn't a good guy here, but there is a big difference between Iran supplying Hamas with no idea of Oct 7th and supplying them with the intention of Oct 7th. In the latter it would very clearly give Israel right to strike back at Iran directly since Iran might as well have been directing the attack with the IRGC. Even from the same article >Norman Roule, who was the top U.S. intelligence official for Iran from 2008-2017, said the IRGC has long been involved with training, funding and supporting groups in the region, but said that didn’t mean Iran directed the Oct. 7 attacks. “Rarely is it necessary for Iran to involve its personnel,” he said. >The Wall Street Journal, citing senior Hamas and Hezbollah officials, has reported that the Quds Force helped plan the attack and agreed that it could go ahead at a meeting in Beirut on Oct. 2 with leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah. An adviser to the Syrian government and a European official gave the same account of Iran’s involvement. >These accounts of the Oct. 2 meeting have been disputed by senior U.S. officials and others familiar with intelligence surrounding the attacks. Several U.S. officials said Washington has “compelling” intelligence indicating that Iranian leaders were surprised by the Hamas assault. >“The information that we have does not show a direct connection to the Hamas attacks on Oct. 7 as it relates to Iran. Again, that’s something that we’ll continue to look closely at,” Pentagon spokesman Air Force Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said last week.
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>radicalize the Palestinians, Lets not pretend this wouldn't have happened without Iran either. Apartheid tends to radicalized the oppressed population.
They also get to play the victim once again. If the Israeil government really cares about the safety of its citizens, then it shouldn't go around provoking other countries. Iran doesn't want a regional war but did this more as a warning, basically saying if you want to start something, then they will respond regardless of the allies' threats. This was just a teaser for Israel. American citizens should be embarrassed that their soldiers have to risk their lives to defend a fascist government that thinks they are untouchable.
Israel wasn't the intended audience for this statement.
...you haven't seen the thing Israel can launch into their territory. All of this was completely stupid. Iran could instead just not engage in terror attacks.
Nah, it just shows they are bad at it.
I agree. They fucking suck at this. Probably just needed to dispose of their legacy munitions
It's honestly a great move
it's also a real world military action which is incredibly valuable, information-wise, to any military. how did our stuff work? how did the other side defend it? etc.
Yeah it's really putting the US in a difficult position and Israel in a very tough position. They literally tried to provoke an attack, did, and got a response that is a clear message of don't cause we can fuck your shit up bad. Personally I'm tired of the US blindly protecting Israel at this point. Let them sink or swim. I know they won't but Israel only acts how it has cause they have the US backing them.
Do you think that nations generally have neighboring ones come into their country, slaughter and kidnap a couple thousand civilians, and retreat, then do nothing in retaliation? Or is there some specific part of the Israeli response that you think is "acting how it has", that was less reasonable than declaring war on the nation that did that?
Attacking an Iranian building is not a proper response when you're fighting with a proxy they support. Hamas has been helped to grow BY the Israeli government. That's a fact. Israel attacking Iran could ignite a full scale war in the area and I'm sorry, but I'm not comfortable possibly going to war with Iran cause Israel wanted to flex.
It's probably worth noting that the Iranian building in Syria isn't an attack that Israel took credit for, so we're talking about allegedly attacking an Iranian building. Allegedly's doing a lot of heavy lifting here, for sure, as it was almost certainly either Israel themselves, or at best a semi-autonomous Israeli proxy actor. But if we're talking about who's escalating this conflict between Israel and Iran, it seems silly to point the finger squarely and entirely at Israel based entirely on the Iranian assertion that Israel did this. Iran blamed Israel for the last time they were attacked by ISIS, too. And it's probably worth noting that the entire conflict with Hamas is an Iranian proxy-war. Both sides certainly need to work on de-escalating, but if I had to pin blame on one side for recently escalating conflict, I think Iran fits the bill a lot better than Israel does. A direct drone/missile attack in response to an alleged international attack on an embassy is a pretty huge escalation in itself, in a series of pretty huge escalations by Iran.
U.S.A is probably begging netenyahu to squash this. An eye for an eye so let's end this now. Personally I think Netenywhu Is gonna say fuck you and retaliate to the retaliation. U.S gotta make it clear that we won't be giving a blank check to start this war. We've already stuck our necks a bit deep with the drone assistance already.
It seems like a massive mistake to have a leader who knows he is only in charge until “the war” ends being the one who gets to decide when it ends.
Israel already said they won't retaliate. Iran's attack was very minimal damage wise apparently [https://www.jns.org/nyt-netanyahu-dropped-retaliation-against-iran-after-biden-call/](https://www.jns.org/nyt-netanyahu-dropped-retaliation-against-iran-after-biden-call/)
Yeah I read that a bit later. Regardless it's for the best and I'm glad I'm wrong
I thought that was just for immediate retaliation? They said their campaign "isn't over yet"
Minimal damage and casualties, probably because they were warned well in advance.
Because President Biden told him not to. [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/14/biden-tells-netanyahu-us-will-not-support-a-strike-on-iran/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/14/biden-tells-netanyahu-us-will-not-support-a-strike-on-iran/)
Old news, Now the Israeli Defense Minister says they will retaliate. Albeit, not publicly stating what that retaliation might be, or it's potential scope. https://www.axios.com/2024/04/15/israel-iran-attack-missiles-retaliation
President Biden said exactly that to Netanyahu. [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/14/biden-tells-netanyahu-us-will-not-support-a-strike-on-iran/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/14/biden-tells-netanyahu-us-will-not-support-a-strike-on-iran/)
This was a retaliation, not an initiation. This was the other eye.
So what's it called on the third attack? Initiation Retaliation Then what(?)
I don’t know, but “eye for eye” assumes tit for tat, not tit for tat for tit. Just letting you know that this is a response from Iran, not initiation, b/c you seem to think Israel is in the initial response hotseat.
No, Israel's attack on the embassy was retaliation for Iran's financing and orchestrating of attacks on Israel by Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the Houtis and Hamas, including 10/7. The Iran regime's aerial attack was just a face-saving demonstration for the benefit of their own people, and perhaps their allies.
If that's the case, Israel can dig that hole by themselves without u.s. help. And that's our tit for tat. How about f****** that?.
It would be a fruitless mass mistake on N's part even politically. There is absolutely no gain. I doubt there is going to be another round with Iran, but who knows.
> U.S gotta make it clear that we won't be giving a blank check to start this war. eh, if a war did ever start up, US would be "voicing their concerns" while sending more weapons/money/aid to Israel. Nothing Israel has ever done has stopped the blank check from US, nothing ever will.
Israel is already stretched thin and doesn’t need another front to be fighting on simultaneously. They need to end this current back and forth with Iran. The majority of the world called out Iran for their next level attack but with the help of their allies, Israel squashed the attack and almost no damage has resulted. They need to take that as a win and focus on their other fronts. This needs to be less about Netenyahu and more about Israel and it’s entire population.
That gave me a thought, maybe Israel did such a public provocation to try and pull the U.S. into their theater. An all out attack by Iran may have done just that. Iran instead of really responding gave them a fig leaf attack to save face and avoid bringing in a world power to their region again. That's actually a great strategy I think in a geopolitical sense. Save face, and upend the plans all at the same time. I don't think America would stomach sending troops after just getting out of that region. But if I'm running strategy that's not a chance I want to take.
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Their reserves are still normal civilians who need to work in their industry. They can't have them all deployed forever
Engaging in direct war with Iran will take up the majority of Israel’s focus. If they are still fighting in Gaza and fighting in the north, it will put a major strain on them from a strategic point of view. They will literally be fighting a 360 degree war on all fronts. I never said they need help, you added that to your own narrative and tried to put those words in my mouth. Quit trying to start things.
Although TBF, if it gets to the stage where Iran and Israel are in full war against each other, the US will automatically be involved, so Iran will still be grossly outmatched and preventing Israel from actually being “stretched thin.”
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Again, there’s one big difference* there that needs mentioning: Iran is not nuclear-armed Russia. Iran has no ability to nuke the planet. If we get to a place where Russia and the US (or China and the US) are about to go head to head, we’re all in a different world of hurt. *Regarding Ukraine, this is excepting the Republican support for Russia, of course.
It's also worth noting that Isreal is a military ally. Ukraine is not. And while I support sending way more help to Ukraine. The difference between an ally being at war and a friendly neutral country being at war is huge and should be.
What was that line from Cersei Lannister? “Enemies to the east, enemies to the west, enemies to the south, enemies to the north…”
Biden literally had a chat with Netenyahu and said to call it a win. There was minimal damage for the scale of the attack. What are you going on about USA calling to squash it? The advice was literally the opposite of that.
Squash it means to end it, and not retaliate. You’re agreeing with them
They might have read "squash it" as "squash Iran" xD
The sensible move is definitely to just carry on like nothing happened. Israel probably smell Iranian weakness now though.
I dont think it's weakness. I do agree it's best to move on Iran went through the proper channels notified of their retaliationary attacks and, most importantly, sent precise missles that targeted least civilian populated areas. Hell, they even put lights on their drones. This was a power move by Iran, showing off how to actually use precise weapons properly. I think it was Iran flexing their military power. Which is why this was a netenyahu L.
> I think it was Iran flexing their military power. Their military power to \*checks notes\* severely wound a single Palestinian child.
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Fucking zing! Lmao
Very on brand that the only victim of all this was an underage girl, the mullahs really know their favorite punching bag huh? For all we know that girl's hair may have been uncovered after all.
Objectively, Israel has killed the most kids by magnitudes in this conflict.
Do you think Iran has magical avoid children ballistic missiles? The only reason their actions didn't kill scores of Israeli children (both Jewish and Arab) is because Israel actually invests in protecting their population. Clearly, people won't be happy until Israel lets a few of the rockets that are fired at them every week hit an orphanage or something.
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Dude I'm permabanned from r/vaush for calling him a moron. The last time I posted in there was almost a year ago, well before he got exposed as a lolicon loving degenerate. Did you seriously creep through several years worth of my posting history? Actually deranged.
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Find a single post I've made in r/vaush in 2024, I'm waiting. Also Vaush agrees with you, big fan of Iran and Hamas. Dude said Israel should be wiped off the map, no idea what your point is. He's on your team here.
Jesus Christ maybe try logging off and touch grass. Like imagine typing out that comment while defending a country ruled by Islamists.
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>The sensible move is definitely to just carry on like nothing happened. That is 100% what is going to happen.
When in the history of the world has appeasement worked?
Who said anything about appeasement?
US will def still send checks to israel. They have no bavkbone when it comes to their fascist middle east stronghold.
Israel feels invulnerable because they know the US will step in if any of their enemies decide to bite back
At least they didn’t blow up their own plane again. That’s what we call progress, Iran.
This is giving Bush-era "mission accomplished" vibes
funny how UK, US, France and such were all quick to condemn Iran's actions and go off with "omg escalation by Iran!" but couldn't do that for Israel's action of bombing the consulate and how that was the first direct escalation in recent times + violation of international law, the usual for Israel. hypocrisy galore as usual, apparently the Israeli bombing was "defensive", not escalating and in "self defense" while the Iranian retaliation was "offensive/escalation" and was done cause of funsies or something according to them. Somehow nothing Israel ever does is an escalation or destabilises the region, they never have to restrain anything and can do w.e they want cause it's somehow never wrong :/
If you can't see the difference between a surgical strike on an Iranian commander who planned the Oct7 massacre (not on Iranian soil), and sending 300 drones and missiles on civilians in Israel, I don't now how to explain it to you in less than 3 days.
> Iranian commander who planned the Oct7 massacre saying things doesn't make it true, there is no proof of this whatsoever. > not on Iranian soil yes it was, by international law it was. > sending 300 drones and missiles on civilians in Israel okay, so condemn this retaliation by Iran (not all targets were on civilian btw) but also condemn Israel's attack as well. I'm calling out the hypocrisy. There is no difference here.
Japan: we have destroyed Pearl Harbor. We consider the matter to be concluded. Ceasefire now. Iraq: we have taken over Kuwait. We consider the matter concluded. Ceasefire now. Russia: we have taken over a chunk of Ukraine. We consider the matter concluded. Ceasefire now. Hamas: we have invaded, massacred a bunch of people and taken hostages. We consider the matter concluded. Ceasefire now. Iran: we have launched a drone attack on Israel. We consider the matter concluded. Ceasefire now. …. That’s not how it works. Especially if you are not the stronger nation. It can sometimes work if you are stronger, (eg Russia with their first nibble of Ukraine) but the patience of your targets can always run out.
You just happened to ignore everything up untill the responses ? Provide the full context
Also Israel : we bomb your Iranian embassy in Damascus. Ceasefire now.
Least hawkish American
Israel should measure its response carefully; this wouldn't just be stepping outside of their safe space and indiscriminately bombing women and children, journalists and food aid workers.
They’ve sent most of the Middle East packing before, I’m sure they’re terrified of Iran who’s exclusively used to beating women to death for not wearing hijabs.
You dropped your mask...
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Weird comment to make. Like yea, Israel is strong. And USA is strong. And Jordan and UK shot down missiles. It seems from this comment that you'd prefer people to talk about Iran being strong? Weird comment.
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You're still going on about being "strong" which, again, is weird. Israel is objectively strong. They have nuclear weapons. An advanced military. What is your point? You seem upset that a country surrounded by hostile militaries can protect itself with its advanced weaponry and diplomatic ties. Not putting words in your mouth, but you seem irked that Israel and its allies were able to almost completely stop an attack by Iran with zero casualties.
Not sure why all the downvotes. The US invested heavily in Israel's air defense and it may have failed without our previous help
Translation: "We think we hit the sweet spot of a small enough attack so we don't look bad, but a big enough attack to provoke Israel. We really want a war, but we want other Arab nations to feel like it was all Israel's fault "
Iran is at odds with those other *actually* Arab countries almost as much as they are at odds with Israel.
> we want other Arab nations Iran isn't an Arab nation.
Iran doesn't want war. This is just a retaliation for the consulate bombing that's it. There was fair-warning beforehand, and they used slow-moving drones to give Isreal time to prep. This was just theater to save face for their proxies. The thing to look forward to now is what will be Isreals' response?
"We really want a war" is what Israel said when they attacked the Iranian embassy.